Re: [PHP] looking for a PHP editor
hi.. ..i am curious if theres anny linux (x, KDE, Gnome) php editor with syntax highliting and this things... markus You can also try quanta+ for the KDE desktop, http://quanta.sourceforge.net Meir Kriheli MKsoft computer systems 'There's someone in my head but it's not me" - Pink Floyd -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] looking for a PHP editor
Toby Butzon wrote: Come on... mixing PHP and HTML in the same file isn't bad style... in fact it can make things easier to read, if you do it right. This is one of PHP's biggest features... otherwise we'd just have another Perl... my .02... There are more differences between PHP and Perl than this. Anyway, mixing PHP and HTML ties you HMTL rather firmly to your PHP-Code and you will never be able to let anyone who doesn't know PHP edit you design, which tend to be a bad thing since many PHP-programmers don't like to design and most designers don't know PHP. You get the most readable (smallest, in this case) code by generating the HMTL in special functions calls, or by including you HTML. There is no need to have that nasty HTML bloat your actual code, is there? Ever heard about templates? This way, even a dumb designer who can't do more than click-and-point can edit your design. I, personaly, never found any use for having HTML and PHP highlighted in the same file and am pretty contenc with emacs cc-mode or that php-mode I got somewhere, which both don't do that. There may of course be cases where nesting PHP in HMTL is useful, but I can't think of too many of them now and never encountered one. Especially with bigger projects, it definately is not the way to go. Wagner -- Sanity is calming, but madness is more interesting. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] looking for a PHP editor
The editors that I usually use are Textpad and Jedit. I usually use Textpad as it's my favorite editor. Jedit is very similar to Textpad which is why it's my second favorite editor. The bonus of using Jedit is that it's written entirely in Java so it also runs in Linux (quite well too). You can download them both here: http://www.textpad.com/ http://jedit.sourceforge.net/ They both provide color syntax highlighting for PHP (as well as just about everything else) and both have loads of extra features (much like those of UltraEdit). So if this is the sort of editor you're looking for these are both worth a look see. As far as Linux goes, Jedit is the only editor I've been able to find that compares against something like Textpad or UltraEdit. -Toby - Original Message - From: "Miles Thompson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "defender of the protocol" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [PHP] looking for a PHP editor Editors are like hammers - once you get used to one, well that's what you use because you know how it behaves. For a Windows environment I'll endorse jeremy's recommendation of Ultraedit -- my hammer of choice. It offers some neat features: tons of macros and word files for various languages, multiple windows into same document, an easily used column mode that just great for picking a list of fields from one file and inserting into another. Need hex? Click on the "H" button on the toolbar. Need wordwrapping? There's a wrap button, and wraps can be soft or hard. Need to change formatting between DOS and Unix/MAC? Click of a button. For Linx, etc.? I don't have a hammer yet. I feel obligated to use VIM, but I cut my teeth on WordStar for CP/M so Joe is comfortable, but I'm leaning towards Jed. I find VIM very arcane, but if it's your hammer of choice, go for it. And if you have the horsepower, in the Linux GUI there's Bluefish -- looks quite nice. Finally, don't forget AMAYA, but you won't find and PHP add-ons. Now, can we pick one and get back to work? Cheers - Miles PS I really liked yesterday's comment that " Real Programmers cat /dev/audio myprog and hiss machine code into the mic". Kewl!! //mt At 08:35 AM 01/10/2001 -0500, defender of the protocol wrote: the specialized editors for php are bs, you don't need an IDE to script your web page or anything else for that matter http://www.ultraedit.com go get a copy of UltraEdit, download the wordfile for php syntax so it highlights properly, and you're set http://www.ultraedit.com/downloads/additional.html i'm sure someone on this list has said this before - jeremy At 07:49 PM 1/9/2001, you wrote: I went to their homepage, and couldn't find a link to download the actual program, just some example stuff, and it says "coming soon"... Is it out there somewhere and I'm just retarded, or are you mob on a beta list or something??? www.codecharge.com/download Their homepage is sort of hidden because it's still in beta. Like in the version i downloaded the generated code gave a lot of PHP errors. I understand they are working on it every day, sometimes it works, sometimes not. Also my trial period was only 1 day due to some error. Chris -- C.Hayes Droevendaal 35 6708 PB Wageningen the Netherlands -- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] looking for a PHP editor
Toby Miller wrote: As far as Linux goes, Jedit is the only editor I've been able to find that compares against something like Textpad or UltraEdit. It should be stated here that vi (vim, gvim) and emacs (xemacs) belong to a different class of editor. If you know how to handle them (which may include learning a few words of lisp in the case of emacs), you have an extremely powerful editor that can do anything you want. This may not be an easy task, but it is no coincidence that especially programmers use these editors. This is why they cannot really be compared with Textpad or Ultraedit. Wagner -- One maniac alone can do what 20 together cannot -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] looking for a PHP editor
Has anyone mentioned Bluefish? I was using code crusader till I tried it yesterday. It blows away both jcc, emacs, xemacs, and gvim. ---Matt On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Toby Miller wrote: The editors that I usually use are Textpad and Jedit. I usually use Textpad as it's my favorite editor. Jedit is very similar to Textpad which is why it's my second favorite editor. The bonus of using Jedit is that it's written entirely in Java so it also runs in Linux (quite well too). You can download them both here: http://www.textpad.com/ http://jedit.sourceforge.net/ They both provide color syntax highlighting for PHP (as well as just about everything else) and both have loads of extra features (much like those of UltraEdit). So if this is the sort of editor you're looking for these are both worth a look see. As far as Linux goes, Jedit is the only editor I've been able to find that compares against something like Textpad or UltraEdit. -Toby - Original Message - From: "Miles Thompson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "defender of the protocol" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [PHP] looking for a PHP editor Editors are like hammers - once you get used to one, well that's what you use because you know how it behaves. For a Windows environment I'll endorse jeremy's recommendation of Ultraedit -- my hammer of choice. It offers some neat features: tons of macros and word files for various languages, multiple windows into same document, an easily used column mode that just great for picking a list of fields from one file and inserting into another. Need hex? Click on the "H" button on the toolbar. Need wordwrapping? There's a wrap button, and wraps can be soft or hard. Need to change formatting between DOS and Unix/MAC? Click of a button. For Linx, etc.? I don't have a hammer yet. I feel obligated to use VIM, but I cut my teeth on WordStar for CP/M so Joe is comfortable, but I'm leaning towards Jed. I find VIM very arcane, but if it's your hammer of choice, go for it. And if you have the horsepower, in the Linux GUI there's Bluefish -- looks quite nice. Finally, don't forget AMAYA, but you won't find and PHP add-ons. Now, can we pick one and get back to work? Cheers - Miles PS I really liked yesterday's comment that " Real Programmers cat /dev/audio myprog and hiss machine code into the mic". Kewl!! //mt At 08:35 AM 01/10/2001 -0500, defender of the protocol wrote: the specialized editors for php are bs, you don't need an IDE to script your web page or anything else for that matter http://www.ultraedit.com go get a copy of UltraEdit, download the wordfile for php syntax so it highlights properly, and you're set http://www.ultraedit.com/downloads/additional.html i'm sure someone on this list has said this before - jeremy At 07:49 PM 1/9/2001, you wrote: I went to their homepage, and couldn't find a link to download the actual program, just some example stuff, and it says "coming soon"... Is it out there somewhere and I'm just retarded, or are you mob on a beta list or something??? www.codecharge.com/download Their homepage is sort of hidden because it's still in beta. Like in the version i downloaded the generated code gave a lot of PHP errors. I understand they are working on it every day, sometimes it works, sometimes not. Also my trial period was only 1 day due to some error. Chris -- C.Hayes Droevendaal 35 6708 PB Wageningen the Netherlands -- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] looking for a PHP editor
Cynic, I've never used version control -- other than saving as draft1, draft2, draft3 -- and there have been days I've wanted draft2.5. Is this something integral to the editor, or would a tool like CVS work? Versioning would be *good*. Miles At 07:26 PM 01/10/2001 +0100, Cynic wrote: agreed, 4.5.2 still contains pretty old bugs. UltraEdit is bugfree (at least I haven't encountered any), has project management capabilities (but cannot make use of a version control system, AFAIK). At 18:59 10.1. 2001, Boget, Chris wrote the following: -- Personally, my team and I use HomeSite 4.5.x from Allaire. You did not mention the price (compared to HoTMetaL at $70). my two cents on price. who cares! if an editor makes one happy then pay as much as it takes to get it. consider how many hours are spent with the editor. 18 hours a day? in the end, what's $20? $200? homesite is about $90. oh btw, i use homesite and vim , and vim is free! :) Plus, Homesite has project management and can interface with source control applications (we use VSS) whereas I believe HoTMetaL does not. I don't particularly like Homesite (there are many things I despise about it, as a matter of fact), but it's the only one that I know of (on a windows OS) that has these features. If there were another, I think I'd probably switch in a heartbeat. Chris --end of quote-- Cynic: A member of a group of ancient Greek philosophers who taught that virtue constitutes happiness and that self control is the essential part of virtue. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] looking for a PHP editor
Now only if a php-tidy existed ... Agreed. I've often thought about hacking 'indent' to recognice PHP syntax, but I never get around to it. Does anyone know if someone has done this already? Jeremy Jeremy Brand :: Sr. Software Engineer :: 408-245-9058 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.JeremyBrand.com/Jeremy/Brand/Jeremy_Brand.html for more Get your own Free, Private email at http://www.smackdown.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "body" -- Quoted from Yahoo! homepage, http://www.yahoo.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] looking for a PHP editor
I mailed the author of UltraEdit, and he responded within 10 minutes, so I'm forwarding the reply. It turns out you _can_ actually make use of a version control system from within UE: There is a link on our Products page to Component Software's RCS version control software - http://www.idmcomp.com/products/ . You can read about integrating this with UltraEdit-32 at http://www.componentsoftware.com/csrcs/addons/ue32.htm . Also, although we don't use Visual SourceSafe ourselves, one user told us he was able to integrate VSS with UltraEdit-32 by configuring the following tools: Visual SoureSafe 1. Advanced - Tool Configuration From Tool Configuration Command Line: ss.exe checkout %n%e -GWR Working Directory: [E]:\PROGRAM FILES\MICROSOFT VISUAL STUDIO\COMMON\VSS\WIN32\ Command Output [Replace Existing] Same for checking in the file, except change checkout to checkin! You can then add these tools to the toolbar. At 19:38 10.1. 2001, Philip Olson wrote the following: -- Agreed on the annoying homesite bugs, like with FTP. UltraEdit is nice too, haven't spent enough time with it. Now only if a php-tidy existed ... Philip On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Cynic wrote: agreed, 4.5.2 still contains pretty old bugs. UltraEdit is bugfree (at least I haven't encountered any), has project management capabilities (but cannot make use of a version control system, AFAIK). At 18:59 10.1. 2001, Boget, Chris wrote the following: -- Personally, my team and I use HomeSite 4.5.x from Allaire. You did not mention the price (compared to HoTMetaL at $70). my two cents on price. who cares! if an editor makes one happy then pay as much as it takes to get it. consider how many hours are spent with the editor. 18 hours a day? in the end, what's $20? $200? homesite is about $90. oh btw, i use homesite and vim , and vim is free! :) Plus, Homesite has project management and can interface with source control applications (we use VSS) whereas I believe HoTMetaL does not. I don't particularly like Homesite (there are many things I despise about it, as a matter of fact), but it's the only one that I know of (on a windows OS) that has these features. If there were another, I think I'd probably switch in a heartbeat. Chris --end of quote-- Cynic: A member of a group of ancient Greek philosophers who taught that virtue constitutes happiness and that self control is the essential part of virtue. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --end of quote-- Cynic: A member of a group of ancient Greek philosophers who taught that virtue constitutes happiness and that self control is the essential part of virtue. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] looking for a PHP editor
Come on... mixing PHP and HTML in the same file isn't bad style... in fact it can make things easier to read, if you do it right. This is one of PHP's biggest features... otherwise we'd just have another Perl... ...my .02... --Toby - Original Message - From: "Alexander Wagner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] looking for a PHP editor Alexander Wagner wrote: Who needs that? Nesting PHP in HTML is bad style, IMHO. Just because it is possible, ... is no reason to do it, I wanted to say. *whistle* Wagner -- Sanity is calming, but madness is more interesting. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] looking for a PHP editor
(BC == "Brian Clark") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BC Likewise, if you get into the habit of doing ? ? or ? ? in BC tandem, your worries will soon disappear. P.S. a decent editor that has *good* syntax highlighting (Ie. different schemes for HTML, JavaScript and PHP highlighting in the same document) helps that sort of thing too. -Brian -- A)bort, R)etry, I)gnore, V)alium? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
