Re: [PHP] PHP without a webserver
You can use PHP for many purposes. You can use PHP - General scripting language. (Use GCI binary with -q option. You may need other setting to meet your purpose) - GUI Application development (USE PHP-GTK) Refer to following link for PHP-GTK http://gtk.php.net/ There is compiler (I don't use it so I'm not sure if it is a really a compiler or not) for PHP that works under Windows. Look for my post in mailing list archive for URL. (I think you can find, if you search "Compiler" as keyword.) Regards, -- Yasuo Ohgaki ""Plutarck"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 9b9qu0$786$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:9b9qu0$786$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've heard much about how PHP is far more than just a language for web programming, and I agree. I agree enough that I would like to actually try it. I'd like to use PHP scripting in a C/C++ program that doesn't need a webserver as an intermediary. I basically want to use PHP in a standalone/TCP-IP program rather than having to build a whole "IMF-esk" hairball myself. Are there any articles or documentation which focuses, or at least would give me useful information, on how such a task would be accomplished? I'm looking at the API documentation itself which will be helpful, but is there anything a little more "pointed" than that? I'd love to see PHP grow an arm of offline scripting. It would just be _perfect_ for compiling high-level developer-friendly scripts into a format usable for 3D real-time environment manipulation, for instance. -- Plutarck Should be working on something... ...but forgot what it was. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] PHP without a webserver
well actually you could compile php4 on it's own so you get a php executable which you can use as an interpreter for php4 scripts... no webserver needed dowebwedo Jeroen Wesbeek .programming Nieuwekade 213 | 3511 RW Utrecht The Netherlands p 030 2380544 | f 020 8632045 [roses are red, violets are blue, I am schizophrenic and so am I ] -Original Message- From: Brian Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: zaterdag 14 april 2001 19:53 To: PHP is not a drug. Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP without a webserver Hi Plutarck, @ 11:37:09 AM on 4/14/2001, Plutarck wrote: I've heard much about how PHP is far more than just a language for web programming, and I agree. I agree enough that I would like to actually try it. I'd like to use PHP scripting in a C/C++ program that doesn't need a webserver as an intermediary. It doesn't. You don't have to have a web server installed in order to use PHP. -Brian -- PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 Please do not carbon copy me on list replies. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] PHP without a webserver
Can anybody comment on PHPTriad? This appears to be PHP+MySQL+Apache for the Windows desktop. At 07:51 PM 4/14/2001 +0200, Jeroen Wesbeek wrote: well actually you could compile php4 on it's own so you get a php executable which you can use as an interpreter for php4 scripts... no webserver needed dowebwedo Jeroen Wesbeek .programming Nieuwekade 213 | 3511 RW Utrecht The Netherlands p 030 2380544 | f 020 8632045 [roses are red, violets are blue, I am schizophrenic and so am I ] -Original Message- From: Brian Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: zaterdag 14 april 2001 19:53 To: PHP is not a drug. Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP without a webserver Hi Plutarck, @ 11:37:09 AM on 4/14/2001, Plutarck wrote: I've heard much about how PHP is far more than just a language for web programming, and I agree. I agree enough that I would like to actually try it. I'd like to use PHP scripting in a C/C++ program that doesn't need a webserver as an intermediary. It doesn't. You don't have to have a web server installed in order to use PHP. -Brian -- PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 Please do not carbon copy me on list replies. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Les Neste 678-778-0382 http://www.lesneste.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PHP without a webserver
Ah, even better. However, how would the script be passed to PHP? As a command line argument? -- Plutarck Should be working on something... ...but forgot what it was. "Jeroen Wesbeek" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... well actually you could compile php4 on it's own so you get a php executable which you can use as an interpreter for php4 scripts... no webserver needed dowebwedo Jeroen Wesbeek .programming Nieuwekade 213 | 3511 RW Utrecht The Netherlands p 030 2380544 | f 020 8632045 [roses are red, violets are blue, I am schizophrenic and so am I ] -Original Message- From: Brian Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: zaterdag 14 april 2001 19:53 To: PHP is not a drug. Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP without a webserver Hi Plutarck, @ 11:37:09 AM on 4/14/2001, Plutarck wrote: I've heard much about how PHP is far more than just a language for web programming, and I agree. I agree enough that I would like to actually try it. I'd like to use PHP scripting in a C/C++ program that doesn't need a webserver as an intermediary. It doesn't. You don't have to have a web server installed in order to use PHP. -Brian -- PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 Please do not carbon copy me on list replies. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PHP without a webserver
Hi Plutarck, @ 2:11:35 PM on 4/14/2001, Plutarck wrote: Ah, even better. However, how would the script be passed to PHP? As a command line argument? Install the CGI executable of PHP in c:\php In your autoexec.bat: SET PATH=c:\php;%PATH% Reboot. From the command line: php -q script.php And read about $argc and $argv. If you're familiar with C, those shouldn't be a problem. -Brian -- PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 Please, DO NOT carbon copy me on list replies. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PHP without a webserver
Ahh, so it's the location of the script that get's passed. Now, if the script was coming from a program, is there a way to hand the file directly to PHP, or will a temporary file have to be used? So if a user filled in a form and clicked a button in the program, the program would toy with the form a little, then send the form to PHP. Is that possible using the CGI executible? -- Plutarck Should be working on something... ...but forgot what it was. "Brian Clark" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi Plutarck, @ 2:11:35 PM on 4/14/2001, Plutarck wrote: Ah, even better. However, how would the script be passed to PHP? As a command line argument? Install the CGI executable of PHP in c:\php In your autoexec.bat: SET PATH=c:\php;%PATH% Reboot. From the command line: php -q script.php And read about $argc and $argv. If you're familiar with C, those shouldn't be a problem. -Brian -- PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 Please, DO NOT carbon copy me on list replies. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PHP without a webserver
Hi Plutarck,
@ 2:40:28 PM on 4/14/2001, Plutarck wrote:
Ahh, so it's the location of the script that get's passed.
Yes:
% cat test.php
?php
while(list($i,$arg) = each($argv))
{
print "$i: $arg\n";
}
?
% php -q test.php a b c d e f g
0: test.php
1: a
2: b
3: c
4: d
5: e
6: f
7: g
%
Now, if the script was coming from a program, is there a way to hand the
file directly to PHP, or will a temporary file have to be used?
I have no idea. What language? Using system() in C and Perl, I'm
sure you could concoct something. Why would you want to do that?
So if a user filled in a form and clicked a button in the program, the
program would toy with the form a little, then send the form to PHP. Is that
possible using the CGI executible?
I have no idea what you're talking about here, but if you're wanting
to build some type of GUI based application you might as well either
use PHP-GTK (http://gtk.php.net) or just use a HTML, PHP and a web
server.
-Brian
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Re: [PHP] PHP without a webserver
Btw, thanks for all your answers to far ;)
I have no idea. What language? Using system() in C and Perl, I'm
sure you could concoct something. Why would you want to do that?
A move recently being made by game programmers has been to move an
increasing amount of work into a scripting engine. My idea is to jump ahead
of the slow move, so that the program is far more abstracted.
The program, written in C/C++ (or Java, or any language really), is
basically turned into a dumb bot. It's a mindless intermediary. The outer
layer is the Display Engine, which could be a Quake Engine or an MFC style
GUI, which takes all of it's commands from the intermediary layer.
The final layer is the scripting engine. In the script if a move_elevator()
function is called, the script interpreter bundles up some commands and
passes it over to the intermediary layer. The intermediary looks at the
display engine, figures out what commands must be called to fufill the
wishes of the script, and passes over the commands.
This would allow the vast majority of the real "content" of a game or
application to be written in a scripting language, much like web apps are
now. The script would run just as well on Linux as it would on windows.
The intermediary understands the universally written script, and figures out
how to actually do what the script asks it to. So an entire application
could be written to run using OpenGL, DirectX, and a selection of different
engines. So you could switch from using a Quake engine to a Midtown Madness
engine for maximum effectiveness, only by tweaking the intermediary level.
Since there are only so many ways to "rotate camera", code could be reused
to the point that the intermediary level comes packaged with all it needs to
know. And thus the sheer amount of people who have the ability to run such
applications skyrockets.
The creators of the Dark Forces star wars game (correct name?) created a
specific programming language for doing things like moving elevators,
dialog, etc. Now adays everyone has their own script.
Asheron's Call has their own little internal quest scripting, and Ever Quest
made their own, Doom has one, Daggerfall has some, et al. But why go to the
trouble of making a whole stinking language, reinventing the wheel, when
thousands of people have spent years to develop a versitile and extensible
scripting engine in PHP?
Anyway, that's my idea. I'd just be happy to outsource some of my C++ work
to PHP. If I use MFC, goodbye platform independence. If I don't use it, it's
a huge pain in the butt to do heavy string manipulation. So I figure, why
not just have PHP do it, since I already know the language?
--
Plutarck
Should be working on something...
...but forgot what it was.
"Brian Clark" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Hi Plutarck,
@ 2:40:28 PM on 4/14/2001, Plutarck wrote:
Ahh, so it's the location of the script that get's passed.
Yes:
% cat test.php
?php
while(list($i,$arg) = each($argv))
{
print "$i: $arg\n";
}
?
% php -q test.php a b c d e f g
0: test.php
1: a
2: b
3: c
4: d
5: e
6: f
7: g
%
Now, if the script was coming from a program, is there a way to hand the
file directly to PHP, or will a temporary file have to be used?
I have no idea. What language? Using system() in C and Perl, I'm
sure you could concoct something. Why would you want to do that?
So if a user filled in a form and clicked a button in the program, the
program would toy with the form a little, then send the form to PHP. Is
that
possible using the CGI executible?
I have no idea what you're talking about here, but if you're wanting
to build some type of GUI based application you might as well either
use PHP-GTK (http://gtk.php.net) or just use a HTML, PHP and a web
server.
-Brian
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Re: [PHP] PHP without a webserver
On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 03:34:32PM -0500, Plutarck wrote : The final layer is the scripting engine. In the script if a move_elevator() [...] This would allow the vast majority of the real "content" of a game or application to be written in a scripting language, much like web apps are now. The script would run just as well on Linux as it would on windows. [...] This is not only true since now or since quake but also sicne the early days of Sierra On-Line games / Lucasmfilm Games. All their games were built on a particular Scripting Engine. For Lucasfilm, this was SCUMM[tm] and for Sierra it was SCI (Sierra Creative Interpreter). This is why those games also run nowadays on Linux (see http://freesci.linuxgames.com/ ). Ok now this is hell Offtopic ;-) But, yes, gtk+ rocks. And, for me, I removed perl and also use now PHP as my day to day scripting language. Its behaviour of hashes is much more intuitive for me than perl's way (every used nested hashes ? you're getting crazy doing so :). But, after all maybe i'm just too dump for perl then. But hey its ok :) I've much joy and fun working with PHP :-) cheers, Markus -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
