Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:40 AM, Eric Butera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Philip Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 10, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Omar Noppe wrote: Is there any reason to pick a black background en white fonts in your editor (for example writability)? I think a black background is much easier on the eyes I use a big font on a black background because it doesn't strain my eyes as much. I started out with Monaco 9pt (or bitstream vera sans mono 9pt on linux) on white. Slowly though I kept getting more frequent headaches. Now I use black with big fonts and I'm fine. I have really good vision and all that, but just hours of coding will get to me. As a side bonus, using a bigger font also helps me adhere to wrapping at the 80 character margin too. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Consolas 14pt editplus on server 2008 -- Regards, Wang Yi -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Philip Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 10, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Omar Noppe wrote: Is there any reason to pick a black background en white fonts in your editor (for example writability)? I think a black background is much easier on the eyes I use a big font on a black background because it doesn't strain my eyes as much. I started out with Monaco 9pt (or bitstream vera sans mono 9pt on linux) on white. Slowly though I kept getting more frequent headaches. Now I use black with big fonts and I'm fine. I have really good vision and all that, but just hours of coding will get to me. As a side bonus, using a bigger font also helps me adhere to wrapping at the 80 character margin too. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
Here's how I roll. :) Consolas is the font. http://refraxion.com/pdt-eclipse.png -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Eric Butera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's how I roll. :) Consolas is the font. http://refraxion.com/pdt-eclipse.png Reminds me of Comic Sans Bold. ;-P -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 5:07 AM, Peter Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running a Mac (so I know mine is a bit different size wise) but I'm currently using Veranda at 14 point for coding. I'd love to be coding on the Veranda, but it's raining horizontally at the moment and my keyboard hates being wet. Ha! Nice catch with the spelling, Pete. That actually almost made me spit coffee on my many thousands of monitors (they're multiplying like rabbits now). -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Colin Guthrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tedd wrote: Just out of curiosity, what font and size do you ppls use for your programming? I've got a lot of projects so I always use a really small font to save on disk space That doesn't work, dummy! You still have to save only half of your files. ;-P -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Jul 10, 2008, at 4:07 AM, Peter Ford wrote: tedd wrote: Hi gang: I'm running a Mac (so I know mine is a bit different size wise) but I'm currently using Veranda at 14 point for coding. Just out of curiosity, what font and size do you ppls use for your programming? Cheers, tedd I'd love to be coding on the Veranda, but it's raining horizontally at the moment and my keyboard hates being wet. I'm using Lucida Sans for code these days - I finally figured that it didn't really have to be a fixed-width font, since I couldn't find one that wasn't ugly. Are you sure you're a *coder*? =D I've looked at some code in a non fixed-width font before and it hurt my eyes! I bet you use tabs instead of spaces too. ;) ~Phil -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Colin Guthrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tedd wrote: Just out of curiosity, what font and size do you ppls use for your programming? I've got a lot of projects so I always use a really small font to save on disk space That doesn't work, dummy! You still have to save only half of your files. ;-P Yeah you're right... well most of my lines are short so I'll try only saving the left hand side of each file and see if that helps save space :p No wonder my files are so large... I have been saving them at 20 point type... Easier to read from aways away :P -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 11287 James St Holland, MI 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No wonder my files are so large... I have been saving them at 20 point type... Easier to read from aways away :P aways = 37.126 feet ;-P -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Colin Guthrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tedd wrote: Just out of curiosity, what font and size do you ppls use for your programming? I've got a lot of projects so I always use a really small font to save on disk space That doesn't work, dummy! You still have to save only half of your files. ;-P Yeah you're right... well most of my lines are short so I'll try only saving the left hand side of each file and see if that helps save space :p No wonder my files are so large... I have been saving them at 20 point type... Easier to read from aways away :P -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 11287 James St Holland, MI 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php All of this reminds me of a conversation I overheard at a previous job between our deployment manager and his new worker. We did credit card processing. They deployed the terminals to customers. They'd load the customer's data onto them, box, ship 'em. Her job was to ship them. He had a chart of how much each type of terminal weighed. She said they were ripping off UPS because the data is never the same, and some have more data, and will weigh more. They went back and forth for 10 minutes. She became hostile about it. A couple of our other IT guys tried to explain data had no weight. She ended up getting fired over it. Just hilarious. -- -Dan Joseph www.canishosting.com - Plans start @ $1.99/month. Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for the rest of the day. Light a man on fire, and will be warm for the rest of his life.
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
At 12:24 PM -0400 7/10/08, Robert Cummings wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 11:47 -0400, tedd wrote: At 11:12 AM +0100 7/10/08, Colin Guthrie wrote: tedd wrote: Just out of curiosity, what font and size do you ppls use for your programming? I've got a lot of projects so I always use a really small font to save on disk space Col LOL Why is it that I always have to read your post twice to get it? Increase your font size Tedd, that way you have bigger understanding. Cheers, Rob. Yeah, but I can't get the larger fonts into my head -- my eyes are too small. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 11:47 -0400, tedd wrote: At 11:12 AM +0100 7/10/08, Colin Guthrie wrote: tedd wrote: Just out of curiosity, what font and size do you ppls use for your programming? I've got a lot of projects so I always use a really small font to save on disk space Col LOL Why is it that I always have to read your post twice to get it? Increase your font size Tedd, that way you have bigger understanding. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
At 9:40 AM -0500 7/10/08, Philip Thompson wrote:
On Jul 10, 2008, at 4:07 AM, Peter Ford wrote:
I'm using Lucida Sans for code these days - I finally figured that
it didn't really have to be a fixed-width font, since I couldn't
find one that wasn't ugly.
Are you sure you're a *coder*? =D I've looked at some code in a non
fixed-width font before and it hurt my eyes! I bet you use tabs
instead of spaces too. ;)
~Phil
~Phil:
As I wrote to Ted off-list.
A fixed width is not easier for me. After years of being forced to
use a command, light on dark, and one font, it's a relief to pick
what I want.
All my correspondence, email, notes, and coding is done in one font.
The only time I change fonts is in final
formal-presentations/publications and web sites.
For me, consistency between me and the computer screen is paramount
in all my writing, including coding. I don't want to see the same
word presented differently based upon what application I'm using.
As far as alignment of brackets and whatnot, I have absolutely no
problem with the weird-ass style I use, which I use for ALL
languages, namely:
php/javascript
whatever()
{
whatever;
}
and html
whatever
whatever
/whatever
and css
.whatever
{
whatever: whatever;
}
and whatever else (i.e., actionscript, perl, c, c++, FB, and more
than I want to remember).
A tab is consistent regardless of the type of font you use. I could
not imagine putting spaces in my code when tabs work exceedingly well.
Cheers,
tedd
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Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Jason Pruim wrote:
On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
Daniel Brown wrote:
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Colin Guthrie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
tedd wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what font and size do you ppls use for your
programming?
I've got a lot of projects so I always use a really small font to
save on
disk space
That doesn't work, dummy! You still have to save only half of
your files. ;-P
Yeah you're right... well most of my lines are short so I'll try
only saving the left hand side of each file and see if that helps
save space :p
No wonder my files are so large... I have been saving them at 20
point type... Easier to read from aways away :P
I think if you don't use indentation and unneeded spaces, you could
save lots of space too...
?php
function aFunction($a,$b)
{
if($a-$b0){
while($a+$b0){
if($c){
$c++;
}else{
$c++;
}
}
return 'negative';
}else{
return 'possitive';
}
}
?
I can't tell you how much HDD space I've saved doing this!! ;P
~Phil
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Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Philip Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Jason Pruim wrote:
On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
Daniel Brown wrote:
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Colin Guthrie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
tedd wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what font and size do you ppls use for your
programming?
I've got a lot of projects so I always use a really small font to save
on
disk space
That doesn't work, dummy! You still have to save only half of
your files. ;-P
Yeah you're right... well most of my lines are short so I'll try only
saving the left hand side of each file and see if that helps save space :p
No wonder my files are so large... I have been saving them at 20 point
type... Easier to read from aways away :P
I think if you don't use indentation and unneeded spaces, you could save
lots of space too...
?php
function aFunction($a,$b)
{
if($a-$b0){
while($a+$b0){
if($c){
$c++;
}else{
$c++;
}
}
return 'negative';
}else{
return 'possitive';
}
}
?
I can't tell you how much HDD space I've saved doing this!! ;P
~Phil
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You could probably save even more if you didn't use those unneeded returns
also:
?php function
aFunction($a,$b){if($a-$b0){while($a+$b0){if($c){$c++;}else{$c++;}}return
'negative';}else{return 'possitive';}} ?
I think that's still perfectly legible.
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Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Philip Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think if you don't use indentation and unneeded spaces, you could save
lots of space too...
?php
function aFunction($a,$b)
{
if($a-$b0){
while($a+$b0){
if($c){
$c++;
}else{
$c++;
}
}
return 'negative';
}else{
return 'possitive';
}
}
?
I can't tell you how much HDD space I've saved doing this!! ;P
~Phil
Don't forget line returns!
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RE: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
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Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
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Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Jul 10, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Omar Noppe wrote: Is there any reason to pick a black background en white fonts in your editor (for example writability)? I think a black background is much easier on the eyes ~Philip -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Philip Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 10, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Omar Noppe wrote: Is there any reason to pick a black background en white fonts in your editor (for example writability)? I think a black background is much easier on the eyes Blkbkgrnd69: You're not so bad yourself, hot stuff. -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers - Intel 2.4GHz w/2TB bandwidth/mo. starting at just $59.99/mo. with no contract! Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 12:33 -0400, tedd wrote: At 12:24 PM -0400 7/10/08, Robert Cummings wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 11:47 -0400, tedd wrote: At 11:12 AM +0100 7/10/08, Colin Guthrie wrote: tedd wrote: Just out of curiosity, what font and size do you ppls use for your programming? I've got a lot of projects so I always use a really small font to save on disk space Col LOL Why is it that I always have to read your post twice to get it? Increase your font size Tedd, that way you have bigger understanding. Cheers, Rob. Yeah, but I can't get the larger fonts into my head -- my eyes are too small. Try an alternate route... bite on the monitor. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 16:29 -0500, Philip Thompson wrote: On Jul 10, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Omar Noppe wrote: Is there any reason to pick a black background en white fonts in your editor (for example writability)? I think a black background is much easier on the eyes And on the environment since the energy needed to sustain it is lower. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 23:47 +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
Dan Joseph wrote:
You could probably save even more if you didn't use those unneeded returns
also:
?php function
aFunction($a,$b){if($a-$b0){while($a+$b0){if($c){$c++;}else{$c++;}}return
'negative';}else{return 'possitive';}} ?
I think that's still perfectly legible.
And that looks like a suspiciously unnecessary ? at the end
there I wonder what I'll spend my 24 bits on that could be
1/1000 of a nipple in a grainy jpeg ;)
You only want to sharpen that image if the rest is easy on the eyes too.
Some things are better left grainy.
Cheers,
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Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 16:29 -0500, Philip Thompson wrote: On Jul 10, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Omar Noppe wrote: Is there any reason to pick a black background en white fonts in your editor (for example writability)? I think a black background is much easier on the eyes And on the environment since the energy needed to sustain it is lower. Cheers, Rob. I find if I read stuff on a black background, I start seeing fuzzy streaks. I do use a light grey to edit in though. Be cool to see screenshots of people's set-ups. The light grey is the only alteration I've ever made from BBedit's default settings. -dg -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 21:45 -0700, dg wrote: Be cool to see screenshots of people's set-ups. The light grey is the only alteration I've ever made from BBedit's default settings. http://www.interjinn.com/bleh/snapshot.20080711.png Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:31 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: http://www.interjinn.com/bleh/snapshot.20080711.png very kewl. Maybe I'll ask Rich Siegel to pose shirtless for my BBedit background... I'm used to line numbers along the side, especially given all my errors, how do you zoom in on them without seeing them there? -dg -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 22:49 -0700, dg wrote: On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:31 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: http://www.interjinn.com/bleh/snapshot.20080711.png very kewl. Maybe I'll ask Rich Siegel to pose shirtless for my BBedit background... I'm used to line numbers along the side, especially given all my errors, how do you zoom in on them without seeing them there? CTRL+K L, input line number Also the line the cursor is currently on is displayed at the top right corner. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: What font/size do you use for programming?
tedd wrote: At 11:54 PM -0500 7/8/08, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Font: Agent Orange Size: 64pt 64pt! And I thought I my eyesight was poor at 14pt. Cheers, tedd Just kidding... Seriously, I just use what ever is default for the app I'm using. I used to use zend, now I use Aptana or kate for single files. -Shawn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
