RE: [PHP] Remote Developer Wanted
Actually, speaking as someone now living in the UK, your low end is LESS than minimum wage here. Rather insulting, if you ask me... Brennon Bortz -Original Message- From: Jochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:32 AM To: Andy Dyble Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Remote Developer Wanted Andy Dyble schreef: Hi I am looking for a remote developer for small add hoc jobs. Usually only a few hours at a time. Basic stuff, listing data from SQL and text files. Mainly work on existing systems. personally I'd run in the other direction based on that description, I mean who decides what's simple, how long something should take, etc. my experience of working on 'existing systems' is usually akin to wading neckdeep through crap you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy. really well thought out, well written code usually has competent people working on it already ... code that stinks generally gets no attention because nobody wants to work on/with it which is people end up scouring the net looking for someone desperate enough to take a shot at it. $10-$15 per hour depending on location. Im sure there is an indian outsourcing solution to fit your needs, your from the UK and quoting dollars ... your low-end is just over 5 pound sterling an hour, I can flip burgers at Macdonalds for more. there are plenty of market places on the net where tenders can be placed for this kind of thing. just so you know ... at lot of the regular people doling out free advice on this list command somewhere in the region of 8 to 10 times what your willing to pay ... if not more. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Remote Developer Wanted
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, speaking as someone now living in the UK, your low end is LESS than minimum wage here. Rather insulting, if you ask me... Simple advice then: delete the message and don't reply. -- /Daniel P. Brown http://www.parasane.net/ [New Look] [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Remote Developer Wanted
Daniel Brown wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, speaking as someone now living in the UK, your low end is LESS than minimum wage here. Rather insulting, if you ask me... Simple advice then: delete the message and don't reply. Striker Surely you can't be serious. /Striker -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Remote Developer Wanted
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Jay Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Striker Surely you can't be serious. /Striker I am serious. And don't call me Shirley. -- /Daniel P. Brown http://www.parasane.net/ [New Look] [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Remote Developer Wanted
Daniel Brown wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, speaking as someone now living in the UK, your low end is LESS than minimum wage here. Rather insulting, if you ask me... Simple advice then: delete the message and don't reply. Andy deserves to know his current offer is kinda insulting :D Consider plz that if a job is easy, i'd be done sooner. So i'd make even less.. The offer really only is fair to a noob php-er ;-) So you might get a 15 year old to do it, if its an easy of a job with a technical director giving him coding guidelines.. They might be happy with the $15/h. A talented 17 year old would want $20 at least, or he aint talented :) If you plan to do many of these type of tasks, and will do them for years to come, it might be cheaper to have a $50/h programmer take a look at building something re-usable, with an interface for non-techies to describe your forms and databases. With something re-usable, if properly written and self-documented, you have a more solid base for your business operations, and can distribute improvements to all your clients when they become available. I've gotta add that there might be many hours involved depending on the complexity of the data and ways of displaying it. I guess you could start with the types of operations that happen a lot, grouped by similarity. Give us a few examples and i can tell you if it's possible to create something re-usable in a short time.. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Remote Developer Wanted
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 10:23 -0400, Daniel Brown wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Jay Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Striker Surely you can't be serious. /Striker I am serious. And don't call me Shirley. You must be new around here... Shirley! :D Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Remote Developer Wanted
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must be new around here... Shirley! Yes, brand new. This is only my second post --- and only the third email I've ever sent in my life. How do you PHP? ;-P -- /Daniel P. Brown http://www.parasane.net/ [New Look] [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Remote Developer Wanted
Daniel Brown wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must be new around here... Shirley! Yes, brand new. This is only my second post --- and only the third email I've ever sent in my life. How do you PHP? ;-P Standing up. *stang* (look it up) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Remote Developer Wanted
Jay Moore wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must be new around here... Shirley! Yes, brand new. This is only my second post --- and only the third email I've ever sent in my life. How do you PHP? ;-P Standing up. *stang* (look it up) Actually, moron, it's called a sting; not a stang. http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Sting-%28percussion%29 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Remote Developer Wanted
Daniel Brown schreef: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, speaking as someone now living in the UK, your low end is LESS than minimum wage here. Rather insulting, if you ask me... Simple advice then: delete the message and don't reply. and rob myself of the sport? your no fun since your married Shirley ;-) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Remote Developer Wanted
Jay Moore schreef: Jay Moore wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must be new around here... Shirley! Yes, brand new. This is only my second post --- and only the third email I've ever sent in my life. How do you PHP? ;-P Standing up. *stang* (look it up) Actually, moron, it's called a sting; not a stang. http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Sting-%28percussion%29 I love the way you talk down to yourself :-P you want one of these (more fun with the sound on): http://instantrimshot.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Remote Developer Wanted
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and rob myself of the sport? your no fun since your married Shirley ;-) Coincidentally, that's exactly what my wife says. -- /Daniel P. Brown http://www.parasane.net/ [New Look] [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Remote Developer Wanted
Daniel Brown schreef: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and rob myself of the sport? your no fun since your married Shirley ;-) Coincidentally, that's exactly what my wife says. your wife calls you Shirley? your definitely doing *something* wrong ... maybe take off the dress. :-P -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Remote Developer Wanted
I'm 16 years old and have a steady income for the last 3 month as PHP developer company in Israel which pays me almost doubled then your high rate (if you convert it from Israeli Shequl to $). I wouldn't work for less than 20$ per hour - that's for sure. I don't think your will find a good programmer outside India in those rates. Although on the other hand I know teenagers in Israel who would like to take this project ;) Wishing you luck in the journey after your desired 15$ programmer, Nitsan On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Rene Veerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Brennon Bortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, speaking as someone now living in the UK, your low end is LESS than minimum wage here. Rather insulting, if you ask me... Simple advice then: delete the message and don't reply. Andy deserves to know his current offer is kinda insulting :D Consider plz that if a job is easy, i'd be done sooner. So i'd make even less.. The offer really only is fair to a noob php-er ;-) So you might get a 15 year old to do it, if its an easy of a job with a technical director giving him coding guidelines.. They might be happy with the $15/h. A talented 17 year old would want $20 at least, or he aint talented :) If you plan to do many of these type of tasks, and will do them for years to come, it might be cheaper to have a $50/h programmer take a look at building something re-usable, with an interface for non-techies to describe your forms and databases. With something re-usable, if properly written and self-documented, you have a more solid base for your business operations, and can distribute improvements to all your clients when they become available. I've gotta add that there might be many hours involved depending on the complexity of the data and ways of displaying it. I guess you could start with the types of operations that happen a lot, grouped by similarity. Give us a few examples and i can tell you if it's possible to create something re-usable in a short time.. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Remote Developer Wanted
Andy Dyble schreef: Hi I am looking for a remote developer for small add hoc jobs. Usually only a few hours at a time. Basic stuff, listing data from SQL and text files. Mainly work on existing systems. personally I'd run in the other direction based on that description, I mean who decides what's simple, how long something should take, etc. my experience of working on 'existing systems' is usually akin to wading neckdeep through crap you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy. really well thought out, well written code usually has competent people working on it already ... code that stinks generally gets no attention because nobody wants to work on/with it which is people end up scouring the net looking for someone desperate enough to take a shot at it. $10-$15 per hour depending on location. Im sure there is an indian outsourcing solution to fit your needs, your from the UK and quoting dollars ... your low-end is just over 5 pound sterling an hour, I can flip burgers at Macdonalds for more. there are plenty of market places on the net where tenders can be placed for this kind of thing. just so you know ... at lot of the regular people doling out free advice on this list command somewhere in the region of 8 to 10 times what your willing to pay ... if not more. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Remote Developer Wanted
Jochem Maas wrote: Andy Dyble schreef: Hi I am looking for a remote developer for small add hoc jobs. Usually only a few hours at a time. Basic stuff, listing data from SQL and text files. Mainly work on existing systems. personally I'd run in the other direction based on that description, I mean who decides what's simple, how long something should take, etc. my experience of working on 'existing systems' is usually akin to wading neckdeep through crap you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy. really well thought out, well written code usually has competent people working on it already ... code that stinks generally gets no attention because nobody wants to work on/with it which is people end up scouring the net looking for someone desperate enough to take a shot at it. $10-$15 per hour depending on location. Im sure there is an indian outsourcing solution to fit your needs, your from the UK and quoting dollars ... your low-end is just over 5 pound sterling an hour, I can flip burgers at Macdonalds for more. there are plenty of market places on the net where tenders can be placed for this kind of thing. just so you know ... at lot of the regular people doling out free advice on this list command somewhere in the region of 8 to 10 times what your willing to pay ... if not more. Here, here. Even with the worst economy since the great depression (ehem), I still wouldn't accept less than $60 an hour and I'm not even a professional (not my profession) programmer. It seems to still be working out for me :-) -- Thanks! -Shawn http://www.spidean.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
