Re: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP
I started with the Pro php programming book. very useful and well written. punt the baby book :) On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 07:53:16 +0200, Martin Skjldebrand wrote: Kath wrote: Professional PHP Programming: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1861002963/qid=987388364/sr=1-12/ref= sc_b_13/002-2263539-0333643 I've got Beginning PHP 4 (recommended) on the back cover of which it says that the next book could be Professional PHP Programming.. However from what I saw in the book shop they cover lots of the same ground. I (and my employer) wouldn't like to pay for the same stuff again. Is there a significant difference between the two? Martin S. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP
Personally, I never even bought a PHP book. I learned from the web only...hehe. First, go to zend.com and check out their tutorial and article sections. Then check out their links section, which just so happens to have links to 17 books, 10 of which are non-english. Check out phpbuilder.com, devshed.com, and phpbeginner.com. weberdev is also a good one. First of course, read the PHP manual. I basically learned everything I needed to from those sites. The rest comes from just hacking out code. PHP changed alot during the books writing process, so it's really rather impossible to get a totally updated book. For instance if you started writing a book now on PHP v4.0.5, PHP would be nearing version 5 before it ever hit a bookshelf. -- Plutarck Should be working on something... ...but forgot what it was. "Manisha" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi all, I am just entering into PHP world. First what I did is, I signed for PHP mailing list. I want to buy a good PHP book for my initial start and may be later on as a reference. I know there are lot in the market. Can anybody suggest a good book among them ? manisha -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 01:23:46AM -0500, Plutarck wrote: First, go to zend.com and check out their tutorial and article sections. Then check out their links section, which just so happens to have links to 17 books, 10 of which are non-english. Why don't you visit php.net/books.php? There you can find much more books. First of course, read the PHP manual. I basically learned everything I needed to from those sites. The rest comes from just hacking out code. Many thanks! I'havent noticed that some people read this manual. PHP changed alot during the books writing process, so it's really rather impossible to get a totally updated book. For instance if you started writing a book now on PHP v4.0.5, PHP would be nearing version 5 before it ever hit a bookshelf. I don't see your point here, PHP version 4 and 5 would be compatible. If you are interested into the latest features, you have to read journals instead of books. -Egon -- LinuxTag, Stuttgart, Germany: July 5-8 2001: http://www.linuxtag.de/ All known books about PHP and related books: http://php.net/books.php Concert Band of the University of Hohenheim: http://www.concert-band.de/ First and second bestselling book in German: http://www.php-buch.de/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP
You know, I was wondering the same thing. My situation is the same. My opinion is that the professional version probably strips out most of the beginner's content and adds more advanced php content and dives into everything in more detail rather than just trying to get a beginner off their feet by providing simple tasks Wrox is a great company, they come out with books that are the most comprehensive. Both versions might be a good investment for hardcore php programmers. Best thing to do is to just stop by a barnes and nobles bookstore and start looking through both books to see which one is best for you. Navid -Original Message- From: Martin Skjoldebrand [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 12:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP Kath wrote: Professional PHP Programming: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1861002963/qid=987388364/sr=1-12/ref= sc_b_13/002-2263539-0333643 I've got Beginning PHP 4 (recommended) on the back cover of which it says that the next book could be "Professional PHP Programming.". However from what I saw in the book shop they cover lots of the same ground. I (and my employer) wouldn't like to pay for the same stuff again. Is there a significant difference between the two? Martin S. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP
On Monday 16 April 2001 08:23, you wrote: Personally, I never even bought a PHP book. I learned from the web only...hehe. Same here. Well, actually I *did* buy a book - "Core PHP programming". I started reading it, saw that it basically only covers (a) introductory programming in general (what is a 'while' loop?) and (b) a PHP3 function reference (copied from the online manual), and I immediately went back to the web resources. That doesn't mean you shouldn't buy any book - the cookbook for example certainly is very useful both as starter (giving examples) and later on (giving more complex examples :). But (1) never forget to have the online manual at hand and (2) check phpbuilder.com etc for new interesting articles from time to time -- Christian Reiniger LGDC Webmaster (http://sunsite.dk/lgdc/) (A)bort (R)etry (P)retend this never happened ... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP
Christian Reiniger schrieb: On Monday 16 April 2001 08:23, you wrote: Personally, I never even bought a PHP book. I learned from the web only...hehe. Same here. Well, actually I *did* buy a book - "Core PHP programming". I started reading it, saw that it basically only covers (a) introductory programming in general (what is a 'while' loop?) and (b) a PHP3 function reference (copied from the online manual), and I immediately went back to the web resources. That doesn't mean you shouldn't buy any book - the cookbook for example certainly is very useful both as starter (giving examples) and later on (giving more complex examples :). Hmm, although Sterlings book is cool, german readers can save the money an check the german FAQ on http://www.koehntopp.de/php. It covers most of Sterlings book except the PHP core hacking. The advanced book I like best is "Web application development with PHP 4.0" written by TillTobel. Don't expect a PHP only book, the authors did very well not to copy the online reference or the usual tutorials. TillTobel wrote a book for those that have a solid basic programming knowledge but lack some more advanced skills like API design or certain web development strategies (CVS, staging server, development process, ...). Ulf -- Neu: PEAR Menu 3 - Navigationsstrukturen dynamisch dargestellt http://www.ulf-wendel.de/projekte/menu/tutorial.php | http://www.phpdoc.de -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP
Woh, that book looks excellant. I think I may order it, actually. It is absolutely _hell_ to find a good advanced programming or internet technology book. If the book doesn't expect you to be a moron (how many morons are interested in the implementation of TCP/IP, anyway?), it expects you to be a complete wizard (which basically means the book is a 400 page reference manual). It's hard to find a book on computers that is for an advanced-but-not-perfect user. *orders* I'll give me review to the list once I get it :) -- Plutarck Should be working on something... ...but forgot what it was. "Ulf Wendel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Christian Reiniger schrieb: On Monday 16 April 2001 08:23, you wrote: Personally, I never even bought a PHP book. I learned from the web only...hehe. Same here. Well, actually I *did* buy a book - "Core PHP programming". I started reading it, saw that it basically only covers (a) introductory programming in general (what is a 'while' loop?) and (b) a PHP3 function reference (copied from the online manual), and I immediately went back to the web resources. That doesn't mean you shouldn't buy any book - the cookbook for example certainly is very useful both as starter (giving examples) and later on (giving more complex examples :). Hmm, although Sterlings book is cool, german readers can save the money an check the german FAQ on http://www.koehntopp.de/php. It covers most of Sterlings book except the PHP core hacking. The advanced book I like best is "Web application development with PHP 4.0" written by TillTobel. Don't expect a PHP only book, the authors did very well not to copy the online reference or the usual tutorials. TillTobel wrote a book for those that have a solid basic programming knowledge but lack some more advanced skills like API design or certain web development strategies (CVS, staging server, development process, ...). Ulf -- Neu: PEAR Menu 3 - Navigationsstrukturen dynamisch dargestellt http://www.ulf-wendel.de/projekte/menu/tutorial.php | http://www.phpdoc.de -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP
I started with the Professional PHP Programming book. It covers all of the info a beginner would need in good detail. I haven't taken a look at the Beginner's book, but I would suggest getting the Professional one as it provides everything you need to get started, and then jumps right into the next level stuff(Db development, mail features, etc...). -- phill ""Navid Yar"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 000201c0c657$158b9ee0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:000201c0c657$158b9ee0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... You know, I was wondering the same thing. My situation is the same. My opinion is that the professional version probably strips out most of the beginner's content and adds more advanced php content and dives into everything in more detail rather than just trying to get a beginner off their feet by providing simple tasks Wrox is a great company, they come out with books that are the most comprehensive. Both versions might be a good investment for hardcore php programmers. Best thing to do is to just stop by a barnes and nobles bookstore and start looking through both books to see which one is best for you. Navid -Original Message- From: Martin Skjoldebrand [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 12:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP Kath wrote: Professional PHP Programming: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1861002963/qid=987388364/sr=1-12/ref= sc_b_13/002-2263539-0333643 I've got Beginning PHP 4 (recommended) on the back cover of which it says that the next book could be "Professional PHP Programming.". However from what I saw in the book shop they cover lots of the same ground. I (and my employer) wouldn't like to pay for the same stuff again. Is there a significant difference between the two? Martin S. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP
Whether these books cover PHP 4 also ? manisha At 10:54 PM 4/15/01 -0400, Kath wrote: Professional PHP Programming: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1861002963/qid=987388364/sr=1-12/ref= sc_b_13/002-2263539-0333643 PHP Fast Easy Web Development: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/076153055X/qid=987388364/sr=1-9/ref=s c_b_10/002-2263539-0333643 I started with these books and STILL refer to them today. - Kath - Original Message - From: "Manisha" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 10:46 PM Subject: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP Hi all, I am just entering into PHP world. First what I did is, I signed for PHP mailing list. I want to buy a good PHP book for my initial start and may be later on as a reference. I know there are lot in the market. Can anybody suggest a good book among them ? manisha -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP
Hi Kath, @ 10:54:03 PM on 4/15/2001, Kath wrote: Professional PHP Programming: ... PHP Fast Easy Web Development: ... I started with these books and STILL refer to them today. A good one to add to your collection would be _PHP Developer's Cookbook_ ISBN: 0672319241 Though it's not something that teaches PHP from the ground up, it's one of the best PHP books that I own. -Brian -- PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 Please, DO NOT carbon copy me on list replies. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP
Hi Manisha I use and recommend Beginning PHP 4, published by WROX and PHP Developer's Cookbook, published by SAMS. I started with the Beginning PHP 4 book, the PHP Manual, this list and phpbuilder.com. That was all I needed to get a good introduction and grounding into PHP programming. The PHP Developer's Cookbook just takes it all to the next level and gives me useable examples to real world problems. Enjoy, Tyrone -Original Message- From: Brian Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 8:12 PM To: PHP is not a drug. Subject: Re: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP Hi Kath, @ 10:54:03 PM on 4/15/2001, Kath wrote: Professional PHP Programming: ... PHP Fast Easy Web Development: ... I started with these books and STILL refer to them today. A good one to add to your collection would be _PHP Developer's Cookbook_ ISBN: 0672319241 Though it's not something that teaches PHP from the ground up, it's one of the best PHP books that I own. -Brian -- PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 Please, DO NOT carbon copy me on list replies. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP
Yes, they do. - Kath - Original Message - From: "Manisha" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP Whether these books cover PHP 4 also ? manisha At 10:54 PM 4/15/01 -0400, Kath wrote: Professional PHP Programming: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1861002963/qid=987388364/sr=1-12/ref = sc_b_13/002-2263539-0333643 PHP Fast Easy Web Development: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/076153055X/qid=987388364/sr=1-9/ref= s c_b_10/002-2263539-0333643 I started with these books and STILL refer to them today. - Kath - Original Message - From: "Manisha" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 10:46 PM Subject: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP Hi all, I am just entering into PHP world. First what I did is, I signed for PHP mailing list. I want to buy a good PHP book for my initial start and may be later on as a reference. I know there are lot in the market. Can anybody suggest a good book among them ? manisha -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Want a Good Book for Ref on PHP
Kath wrote: Professional PHP Programming: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1861002963/qid=987388364/sr=1-12/ref= sc_b_13/002-2263539-0333643 I've got Beginning PHP 4 (recommended) on the back cover of which it says that the next book could be "Professional PHP Programming.". However from what I saw in the book shop they cover lots of the same ground. I (and my employer) wouldn't like to pay for the same stuff again. Is there a significant difference between the two? Martin S. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
