Re[6]: [PHP] A Guide to running Apache 2, PHP 4 PHP 5 on Windows XP
Hi Greg, Thursday, May 17, 2007, 5:49:45 PM, you wrote: Sure, but you're in the minority*, so what do I care? :) I'm not asking you to care. Windoze still sucks, no matter how many idiots use it. The virus protection racket alone is enough to make me throw up. Viruses? God, that old bullshit ladened chestnut*. At least come up with some kind of valid OS argument, please. If you'd gone for 'competent use of the CPU', or 'effective memory management', you'd be worth taking seriously. Unless you're not asking me to take you seriously of course. Cheers, Rich * I've not had a virus -infect- a Windows box for over a decade. -- Zend Certified Engineer http://www.corephp.co.uk Never trust a computer you can't throw out of a window -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: Re[6]: [PHP] A Guide to running Apache 2, PHP 4 PHP 5 on Windows XP
On May 17, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Richard Davey wrote: Hi Greg, Thursday, May 17, 2007, 5:49:45 PM, you wrote: Sure, but you're in the minority*, so what do I care? :) I'm not asking you to care. Windoze still sucks, no matter how many idiots use it. The virus protection racket alone is enough to make me throw up. Viruses? God, that old bullshit ladened chestnut*. At least come up with some kind of valid OS argument, please. If you'd gone for 'competent use of the CPU', or 'effective memory management', you'd be worth taking seriously. Not to start a holy war... But I've never had a virus infect a Macintosh... And I've been using Mac's since the mid 80's... And Apple before that :) Now... To add something useful to this discussions, I whole heartily believe unless you are the only one that is EVER going to use your killer application... It should work and look good on any piece of crap(read: ALL OF THEM) operating system... Because if we get down to it... Every single person on this list could think of 50 things they want to change on their current operating system. If you couldn't, How can you be considered a developer? ; ) -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 3251 132nd ave Holland, MI, 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a world without Walls Fences, one needs neither Windows, nor Gates
Re: Re[6]: [PHP] A Guide to running Apache 2, PHP 4 PHP 5 on Windows XP
On 5/17/07, Richard Davey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greg, Thursday, May 17, 2007, 5:49:45 PM, you wrote: Sure, but you're in the minority*, so what do I care? :) I'm not asking you to care. Windoze still sucks, no matter how many idiots use it. The virus protection racket alone is enough to make me throw up. Viruses? God, that old bullshit ladened chestnut*. At least come up with some kind of valid OS argument, please. If you'd gone for 'competent use of the CPU', or 'effective memory management', you'd be worth taking seriously. Unless you're not asking me to take you seriously of course. Cheers, Rich * I've not had a virus -infect- a Windows box for over a decade. -- Zend Certified Engineer http://www.corephp.co.uk Never trust a computer you can't throw out of a window -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php It seems to me as though the OS argument is almost ignorant enough to equate as, I have no desire to be a pilot, so to hell with teaching anyone else to be. PHP is meant to be as cross-platform as possible, and to have an open source project *REALLY* succeed, it needs to be accessible on a variety of platforms and distributions. One may only have access to a Windows machine at home, work, or school, and/or may not be able to modify something as key as the operating system. Additionally, perhaps they need to interface said OS with Microsoft-proprietary software or something only available on a Win32 machine. To discount a tutorial on how to do this is ludicrous I guarantee that not one of us here has gotten to where we are now --- let alone where we'll be in the future --- without the help of an online walk-through or two, even if someone, somewhere, considered it to be less than worthwhile. I am a Linux user myself - at work, at home, and even in my vehicles. While I prefer the Linux operating system as a whole over any other, it is just that --- I *prefer* it. Sure, I push for others to at least give it a try, but I'm not going to classify someone as an idiot because they choose not to get off of the Windows platform. I just fail to see how such closed-mindedness is in any way beneficial to the evolution and advancement of the open source community, and moreover, technological advancements as a whole. So with my two cents in there as well, we've almost got enough for a can of soda to get the bad taste of this conversation out of our mouths. I vote for ginger ale, so that it will calm Greg's stomach after the virus protection racket ad nauseum the poor guy experiences. We don't need any vomit on our nice, clean list. -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107
Re: Re[6]: [PHP] A Guide to running Apache 2, PHP 4 PHP 5 on Windows XP
On Friday 18 May 2007 01:00, Richard Davey wrote: Viruses? God, that old bullshit ladened chestnut*. At least come up with some kind of valid OS argument, please. If you'd gone for 'competent use of the CPU', or 'effective memory management', you'd be worth taking seriously. In a roundabout way, having to run a virus scanner is not a very 'competent use of the CPU', or 'effective memory management'. Or maybe Greg wanted to point out that Windows *is* the virus? -- Crayon -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: Re[6]: [PHP] A Guide to running Apache 2, PHP 4 PHP 5 on Windows XP
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 13:13 -0400, Jason Pruim wrote: On May 17, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Richard Davey wrote: Hi Greg, Thursday, May 17, 2007, 5:49:45 PM, you wrote: Sure, but you're in the minority*, so what do I care? :) I'm not asking you to care. Windoze still sucks, no matter how many idiots use it. The virus protection racket alone is enough to make me throw up. Viruses? God, that old bullshit ladened chestnut*. At least come up with some kind of valid OS argument, please. If you'd gone for 'competent use of the CPU', or 'effective memory management', you'd be worth taking seriously. Not to start a holy war... But I've never had a virus infect a Macintosh... And I've been using Mac's since the mid 80's... And Apple before that :) Now... To add something useful to this discussions, I whole heartily believe unless you are the only one that is EVER going to use your killer application... It should work and look good on any piece of crap(read: ALL OF THEM) operating system... Because if we get down to it... Every single person on this list could think of 50 things they want to change on their current operating system. If you couldn't, How can you be considered a developer? ; ) I had 500 things I wanted to change, then I switched from Windows to Linux in 2000 and found that they had been addressed. Sure enough though, I'm working on a new list. There's only a few things on it though ;) Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: Re[6]: [PHP] A Guide to running Apache 2, PHP 4 PHP 5 on Windows XP
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 01:44 +0800, Crayon Shin Chan wrote: On Friday 18 May 2007 01:00, Richard Davey wrote: Viruses? God, that old bullshit ladened chestnut*. At least come up with some kind of valid OS argument, please. If you'd gone for 'competent use of the CPU', or 'effective memory management', you'd be worth taking seriously. In a roundabout way, having to run a virus scanner is not a very 'competent use of the CPU', or 'effective memory management'. Or maybe Greg wanted to point out that Windows *is* the virus? Nah, Windows is certainly not the virus. It's more akin to a gaping unclean wound upon which the viruses feast. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: Re[6]: [PHP] A Guide to running Apache 2, PHP 4 PHP 5 on Windows XP
On 5/17/07, Richard Davey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Viruses? God, that old bullshit ladened chestnut*. At least come up with some kind of valid OS argument, please. 1. The virus and malware protection racket - M$ spent billions of dollars and several years making Vista and just like normal it's fully exploitable and insecure. Vista currently has 22 critical exploits listed at securityfocus.com and it's only been out how long? If 22 security researchers are willing to publicly give up their findings do you have any clue how many are keeping their findings secret to sell to the highest bidder? Do have any clue how much a working windoze exploit goes for nowadays? You think all those botnets just happened by accident? All together now, everyone thank M$ for your daily spam. 2. Perpetual Upgrading - you can use Ubuntu Linux 6.06 Server Edition until 2011, fully supported. How long til you're forced to upgrade to Vista? How long before your WinXP install is no longer supported? I would further argue that upgrading a Ubuntu Linux OS is painless. When 2011 comes around, I can do `apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade` to move on. No trips to CompUSA to shell out hundreds of dollars, no upgrading my hardware, none of that. Gentoo Linux is very simple to upgrade too. I relinked my make.profile to the 2007.0 version and `emerge -uDN` away I go. I have a Gentoo box that I've upgraded that way for 4 years now. I have a FreeBSD box that I brought all the way from 4.0 to 6.2 by doing `make buildworld` once a year or so. Microsoft hasn't a clue how to make a simple forward upgrade path for their lusers. But that's how Intel likes it. 3. Bloat - 1.5+ hours to install Vista then finally you get to start installing 'apps'. At that point you find out Vista doesn't support your two year old 3com ethernet card. 3com! Fucking 3com is not supported? Jesus Christ. With Linux you install for 20-30 minutes and immediately have 99% of your apps ready to go. The hardest thing to decide is what color I want to make my bash prompt this year. 4. Hostile treatment of customers - M$ is currently choosing to not sue 'opensource' for 235 patent violations. They still want money however, and without showing anyone which patents are being violated. RedHat Linux has stated they will gladly indemnify their users without anyone paying any M$ tax. I hate RPMS as much as the next guy but a bad day fighting RPMS dependencies is still better than a good day fighting M$ viruses (or virii depending on how far north your grade school was located). I always correct people when I hear them say 'computer virus'. I explain how it's a 'Microsoft virus' because in all likelyhood it only affects the idiots running a windoze OS. 5. Predatory Practices - How many companies have been eaten alive by M$ over the years? More than I can count or care to list. Innovation my ass. This guy got tired of listing them and gave up several years ago it seems: http://www.vcnet.com/bms/departments/catalog/yrcatalog.shtml 6. .NET - proof M$ really wants to be a bank instead of a software vendor. Subscription based software? Give me a break. 7. IE7 - My transparent pngs are almost working, almost. Guess they are trying not to do too much at one time. You can read more on the web: http://www.google.com/search?q=windows+sucks+because 1.62M results, but you probably already knew that being in the M$ loving majority and all. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
