php-general Digest 17 Mar 2012 09:54:08 -0000 Issue 7730
Topics (messages 317053 through 317074):
Got HTML5 History API + caching LICKED, I think, <grin>
317053 by: rene7705
317054 by: Jim Giner
317055 by: rene7705
317056 by: rene7705
317057 by: Floyd Resler
317058 by: rene7705
317059 by: Jim Giner
317060 by: rene7705
317061 by: rene7705
317062 by: Stuart Dallas
317063 by: rene7705
317064 by: Jim Giner
317065 by: rene7705
317066 by: Stuart Dallas
317067 by: Jim Giner
317068 by: rene7705
317069 by: Marc Guay
317070 by: Tommy Pham
317071 by: rene7705
317072 by: Govinda
317073 by: Stuart Dallas
317074 by: Ashley Sheridan
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Hi Folks..
I could waste a lot of text on what I've accomplished during the last
months, but the easiest thing is if you have a (another) look at (the
source of) http://mediabeez.ws
I think you'll like my opensourced work :)
Feedback is appreciated.
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"rene7705" <rene7...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cadegsebtv7ffuvcbxkothqzah3ethegdedyuarxene2d1mw...@mail.gmail.com...
> Hi Folks..
>
> I could waste a lot of text on what I've accomplished during the last
> months, but the easiest thing is if you have a (another) look at (the
> source of) http://mediabeez.ws
>
> I think you'll like my opensourced work :)
>
> Feedback is appreciated.
>
Whatever it is - it doesn't seem to be working. JS errors, no output.
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hey that's strange. I tested it in firefox, chrome, and internet explorer.
What browser are you using?
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Jim Giner <jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com>wrote:
>
> "rene7705" <rene7...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cadegsebtv7ffuvcbxkothqzah3ethegdedyuarxene2d1mw...@mail.gmail.com...
> > Hi Folks..
> >
> > I could waste a lot of text on what I've accomplished during the last
> > months, but the easiest thing is if you have a (another) look at (the
> > source of) http://mediabeez.ws
> >
> > I think you'll like my opensourced work :)
> >
> > Feedback is appreciated.
> >
>
> Whatever it is - it doesn't seem to be working. JS errors, no output.
>
>
>
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And could you paste me the JS errors, please?...
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:17 PM, rene7705 <rene7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hey that's strange. I tested it in firefox, chrome, and internet explorer.
> What browser are you using?
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Jim Giner
> <jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> "rene7705" <rene7...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:cadegsebtv7ffuvcbxkothqzah3ethegdedyuarxene2d1mw...@mail.gmail.com.
>> ..
>> > Hi Folks..
>> >
>> > I could waste a lot of text on what I've accomplished during the last
>> > months, but the easiest thing is if you have a (another) look at (the
>> > source of) http://mediabeez.ws
>> >
>> > I think you'll like my opensourced work :)
>> >
>> > Feedback is appreciated.
>> >
>>
>> Whatever it is - it doesn't seem to be working. JS errors, no output.
>>
>>
>>
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On Mar 16, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Jim Giner wrote:
>
> "rene7705" <rene7...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cadegsebtv7ffuvcbxkothqzah3ethegdedyuarxene2d1mw...@mail.gmail.com...
>> Hi Folks..
>>
>> I could waste a lot of text on what I've accomplished during the last
>> months, but the easiest thing is if you have a (another) look at (the
>> source of) http://mediabeez.ws
>>
>> I think you'll like my opensourced work :)
>>
>> Feedback is appreciated.
>>
>
> Whatever it is - it doesn't seem to be working. JS errors, no output.
>
I'm having a problem downloading the ZIP file. It decompresses into a cpgz
file which then decompresses into a zip file.
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Floyd Resler <fres...@adex-intl.com> wrote:
> I'm having a problem downloading the ZIP file. It decompresses into a
> cpgz file which then decompresses into a zip file.
>
I've never heard of a cpgz file... And with winrar I can open the
downloaded zip file just fine, as any other zip.
What browser and decompression apps are you using?
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"Floyd Resler" <fres...@adex-intl.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 16, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Jim Giner wrote:
>
> "rene7705" <rene7...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cadegsebtv7ffuvcbxkothqzah3ethegdedyuarxene2d1mw...@mail.gmail.com...
>> Hi Folks..
>>
>> I could waste a lot of text on what I've accomplished during the last
>> months, but the easiest thing is if you have a (another) look at (the
>> source of) http://mediabeez.ws
>>
>> I think you'll like my opensourced work :)
>>
>> Feedback is appreciated.
>>
>
> Whatever it is - it doesn't seem to be working. JS errors, no output.
>
I'm having a problem downloading the ZIP file. It decompresses into a cpgz
file which then decompresses into a zip file.=
?? Zip file ?? I see no zip file.
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Sorry, I'm on IE9 and don't know how to run IE8 on my system.. :(
If you could get me those JS errors then probably I can fix the issue.
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Jim Giner <jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com>wrote:
> **
> ie8
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* rene7705 <rene7...@gmail.com>
> *To:* Jim Giner <jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com>
> *Cc:* php-gene...@lists.php.net
> *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2012 3:17 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [PHP] Re: Got HTML5 History API + caching LICKED, I think,
> <grin>
>
> hey that's strange. I tested it in firefox, chrome, and internet explorer.
> What browser are you using?
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Jim Giner
> <jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> "rene7705" <rene7...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:cadegsebtv7ffuvcbxkothqzah3ethegdedyuarxene2d1mw...@mail.gmail.com
>> ...
>> > Hi Folks..
>> >
>> > I could waste a lot of text on what I've accomplished during the last
>> > months, but the easiest thing is if you have a (another) look at (the
>> > source of) http://mediabeez.ws
>> >
>> > I think you'll like my opensourced work :)
>> >
>> > Feedback is appreciated.
>> >
>>
>> Whatever it is - it doesn't seem to be working. JS errors, no output.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
>>
>>
>
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Jim Giner <jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com>wrote:
>
> ?? Zip file ?? I see no zip file.
>
>
It's on the front page of http://mediabeez.ws, under the "downloads"
heading, but you're on IE8 which still has a fatal bug :(
Perhaps you can download and use the chrome browser to see it all..
Until I get that IE8 error fixed of course.
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On 16 Mar 2012, at 18:57, rene7705 wrote:
> Hi Folks..
>
> I could waste a lot of text on what I've accomplished during the last
> months, but the easiest thing is if you have a (another) look at (the
> source of) http://mediabeez.ws
>
> I think you'll like my opensourced work :)
>
> Feedback is appreciated.
I'm also having trouble downloading the ZIP file (Chrome 17.0.963.79 on OSX -
not that the browser will have anything to do with this problem at all). The
download starts, gets to a few MB and doesn't get any further.
And 52MB? Since I can't actually see what it contains it's hard to judge, but
right off the bat... is your artwork necessary for the thing to work? What
external libraries are you using?
Just from looking around the site there are a few things that jump out...
* The dropdown menus are incredible jittery, certainly nowhere near
production-ready.
* The background image gets squished according to the dimensions of the browser
window.
* Your homepage weighs in at massive 2.6MB. Nuff sed!
I suggest you take the focus off the way it looks and concentrate on what it
does. Tabs with animated backgrounds remind me of websites from the late 90s.
You may have developed an incredible framework here, but I don't know because
it's buried under >50MB of other stuff that I almost certainly don't care
about, and that's before I've even been able to download it.
-Stuart
--
Stuart Dallas
3ft9 Ltd
http://3ft9.com/
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Stuart Dallas <stu...@3ft9.com> wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2012, at 18:57, rene7705 wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks..
> >
> > I could waste a lot of text on what I've accomplished during the last
> > months, but the easiest thing is if you have a (another) look at (the
> > source of) http://mediabeez.ws
> >
> > I think you'll like my opensourced work :)
> >
> > Feedback is appreciated.
>
> I'm also having trouble downloading the ZIP file (Chrome 17.0.963.79 on
> OSX - not that the browser will have anything to do with this problem at
> all). The download starts, gets to a few MB and doesn't get any further.
>
> And 52MB? Since I can't actually see what it contains it's hard to judge,
> but right off the bat... is your artwork necessary for the thing to work?
> What external libraries are you using?
>
> Just from looking around the site there are a few things that jump out...
>
> * The dropdown menus are incredible jittery, certainly nowhere near
> production-ready.
>
> * The background image gets squished according to the dimensions of the
> browser window.
>
> * Your homepage weighs in at massive 2.6MB. Nuff sed!
>
> I suggest you take the focus off the way it looks and concentrate on what
> it does. Tabs with animated backgrounds remind me of websites from the late
> 90s. You may have developed an incredible framework here, but I don't know
> because it's buried under >50MB of other stuff that I almost certainly
> don't care about, and that's before I've even been able to download it.
>
> -Stuart
>
> --
> Stuart Dallas
> 3ft9 Ltd
> http://3ft9.com/
>
ok..
That being unable to download the zip file correctly is something I'll take
up with my hosting provider tomorrow.
I've downloaded it in full and opened it OK in winrar just now, btw.
The zip-file is created with winrar on windows 7, and according to Floyd
Resler has to get it's extension changed to .rar, then decompressed with
Stuffit Expander. Also something to look into soon, btw.
As for my menu being jittery, it's not jittery on any of the windows
browsers I tested.
And I have no mac-book available to me, not even from friends and family
who are all on windows (on my recommendation btw ;)
As for my files and homepage being Huge, yep, it's made for the future or
current fast internet connections.
Frankly, size reduction is not on my agenda. I'll wait for the nets to
become faster still.
And the server should spit it out at 2MB/s at least..
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"rene7705" <rene7...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:CADegSEbpRnu47ub-XHyGF8JyK9BBcr7R=p157tO3R_k3+8RH=g...@mail.gmail.com...
>
> As for my files and homepage being Huge, yep, it's made for the future or
> current fast internet connections.
> Frankly, size reduction is not on my agenda. I'll wait for the nets to
> become faster still.
> And the server should spit it out at 2MB/s at least..
>
You don't care about size reduction?? You think the entire world is going
to move to faster nets in the next couple of years even???
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Jim Giner <jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com>wrote:
>
> "rene7705" <rene7...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:CADegSEbpRnu47ub-XHyGF8JyK9BBcr7R=p157tO3R_k3+8RH=g...@mail.gmail.com...
> >
> > As for my files and homepage being Huge, yep, it's made for the future or
> > current fast internet connections.
> > Frankly, size reduction is not on my agenda. I'll wait for the nets to
> > become faster still.
> > And the server should spit it out at 2MB/s at least..
> >
>
> You don't care about size reduction?? You think the entire world is going
> to move to faster nets in the next couple of years even???
Yep, that's what I observed so far, not just here in .nl btw.
And I expect that trend to continue as they're now putting fibre to the
home in the first neighborhoods here.
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On 16 Mar 2012, at 20:36, rene7705 wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Stuart Dallas <stu...@3ft9.com> wrote:
>> On 16 Mar 2012, at 18:57, rene7705 wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Folks..
>> >
>> > I could waste a lot of text on what I've accomplished during the last
>> > months, but the easiest thing is if you have a (another) look at (the
>> > source of) http://mediabeez.ws
>> >
>> > I think you'll like my opensourced work :)
>> >
>> > Feedback is appreciated.
>>
>> I'm also having trouble downloading the ZIP file (Chrome 17.0.963.79 on OSX
>> - not that the browser will have anything to do with this problem at all).
>> The download starts, gets to a few MB and doesn't get any further.
>>
>> And 52MB? Since I can't actually see what it contains it's hard to judge,
>> but right off the bat... is your artwork necessary for the thing to work?
>> What external libraries are you using?
>>
>> Just from looking around the site there are a few things that jump out...
>>
>> * The dropdown menus are incredible jittery, certainly nowhere near
>> production-ready.
>>
>> * The background image gets squished according to the dimensions of the
>> browser window.
>>
>> * Your homepage weighs in at massive 2.6MB. Nuff sed!
>>
>> I suggest you take the focus off the way it looks and concentrate on what it
>> does. Tabs with animated backgrounds remind me of websites from the late
>> 90s. You may have developed an incredible framework here, but I don't know
>> because it's buried under >50MB of other stuff that I almost certainly don't
>> care about, and that's before I've even been able to download it.
>
> ok..
>
> That being unable to download the zip file correctly is something I'll take
> up with my hosting provider tomorrow.
> I've downloaded it in full and opened it OK in winrar just now, btw.
>
> The zip-file is created with winrar on windows 7, and according to Floyd
> Resler has to get it's extension changed to .rar, then decompressed with
> Stuffit Expander. Also something to look into soon, btw.
That would explain why every zip decompression utility I've tried thinks it's
corrupt.
> As for my menu being jittery, it's not jittery on any of the windows browsers
> I tested.
> And I have no mac-book available to me, not even from friends and family who
> are all on windows (on my recommendation btw ;)
Are you ready for the shocking truth... not every computer in the world runs
Windows, so unless you've developed this purely for the friends and family
you've convinced to do so you may want to rethink your approach to testing.
> As for my files and homepage being Huge, yep, it's made for the future or
> current fast internet connections.
> Frankly, size reduction is not on my agenda. I'll wait for the nets to become
> faster still.
> And the server should spit it out at 2MB/s at least..
That may be so, but when my 100Mbit/s connection finally managed to download
the file it took about 4 minutes, which is nowhere near 2MB/s. Your homepage
takes 7 seconds to load - that's unacceptable in the real world, especially
when you're talking about a server that's (and I'm only guessing here) not
under heavy load.
Anyway, your comment about waiting for the nets (sic) to catch up so it can
cope with your bloat has convinced me to not bother looking any further into
your project, but I wish you the best of luck with it (you're gonna need it).
-Stuart
--
Stuart Dallas
3ft9 Ltd
http://3ft9.com/
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<"Stuart Dallas" <stu...@3ft9.com> wrote in message
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<Anyway, your comment about waiting for the nets (sic) to catch up so it can
cope with your bloat has <convinced me to not bother looking any further
into your project, but I wish you the best of luck with it (you're <gonna
need it).
Here! Here!
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Stuart Dallas <stu...@3ft9.com> wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2012, at 20:36, rene7705 wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Stuart Dallas <stu...@3ft9.com> wrote:
> >> On 16 Mar 2012, at 18:57, rene7705 wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Folks..
> >> >
> >> > I could waste a lot of text on what I've accomplished during the last
> >> > months, but the easiest thing is if you have a (another) look at (the
> >> > source of) http://mediabeez.ws
> >> >
> >> > I think you'll like my opensourced work :)
> >> >
> >> > Feedback is appreciated.
> >>
> >> I'm also having trouble downloading the ZIP file (Chrome 17.0.963.79 on
> OSX - not that the browser will have anything to do with this problem at
> all). The download starts, gets to a few MB and doesn't get any further.
> >>
> >> And 52MB? Since I can't actually see what it contains it's hard to
> judge, but right off the bat... is your artwork necessary for the thing to
> work? What external libraries are you using?
> >>
> >> Just from looking around the site there are a few things that jump
> out...
> >>
> >> * The dropdown menus are incredible jittery, certainly nowhere near
> production-ready.
> >>
> >> * The background image gets squished according to the dimensions of the
> browser window.
> >>
> >> * Your homepage weighs in at massive 2.6MB. Nuff sed!
> >>
> >> I suggest you take the focus off the way it looks and concentrate on
> what it does. Tabs with animated backgrounds remind me of websites from the
> late 90s. You may have developed an incredible framework here, but I don't
> know because it's buried under >50MB of other stuff that I almost certainly
> don't care about, and that's before I've even been able to download it.
> >
> > ok..
> >
> > That being unable to download the zip file correctly is something I'll
> take up with my hosting provider tomorrow.
> > I've downloaded it in full and opened it OK in winrar just now, btw.
> >
> > The zip-file is created with winrar on windows 7, and according to Floyd
> Resler has to get it's extension changed to .rar, then decompressed with
> Stuffit Expander. Also something to look into soon, btw.
>
> That would explain why every zip decompression utility I've tried thinks
> it's corrupt.
>
> > As for my menu being jittery, it's not jittery on any of the windows
> browsers I tested.
> > And I have no mac-book available to me, not even from friends and family
> who are all on windows (on my recommendation btw ;)
>
> Are you ready for the shocking truth... not every computer in the world
> runs Windows, so unless you've developed this purely for the friends and
> family you've convinced to do so you may want to rethink your approach to
> testing.
>
> > As for my files and homepage being Huge, yep, it's made for the future
> or current fast internet connections.
> > Frankly, size reduction is not on my agenda. I'll wait for the nets to
> become faster still.
> > And the server should spit it out at 2MB/s at least..
>
> That may be so, but when my 100Mbit/s connection finally managed to
> download the file it took about 4 minutes, which is nowhere near 2MB/s.
> Your homepage takes 7 seconds to load - that's unacceptable in the real
> world, especially when you're talking about a server that's (and I'm only
> guessing here) not under heavy load.
>
> Anyway, your comment about waiting for the nets (sic) to catch up so it
> can cope with your bloat has convinced me to not bother looking any further
> into your project, but I wish you the best of luck with it (you're gonna
> need it).
>
> -Stuart
>
> Okay, I don't wanna get into an argument here..
Rest assured, all the javascript for my animated widgets combined is about
25kb.
The artwork for simple animations is about 100kb per button/menu-item theme.
The fact that I demo how to put video on a button and thus end up with
nearly a dozen button themes that are about 2MB each, is just taking
advantage of the fast links that are available in much of the world.
About me testing only on windows, you're right about that and I'll see if I
can do something to improve my testing regime. For now i'm dependent on
your patience and bugreports tho.
And I had no idea winrar made such crappy zip files, I'll look into a
replacement very soon.
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Is this a "Fun Friday" trolling?
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Stuart Dallas <stu...@3ft9.com> wrote:
>
>> As for my files and homepage being Huge, yep, it's made for the future or
>> current fast internet connections.
>> Frankly, size reduction is not on my agenda. I'll wait for the nets to
>> become faster still.
>> And the server should spit it out at 2MB/s at least..
>
> That may be so, but when my 100Mbit/s connection finally managed to download
> the file it took about 4 minutes, which is nowhere near 2MB/s. Your homepage
> takes 7 seconds to load - that's unacceptable in the real world, especially
> when you're talking about a server that's (and I'm only guessing here) not
> under heavy load.
>
> Anyway, your comment about waiting for the nets (sic) to catch up so it can
> cope with your bloat has convinced me to not bother looking any further into
> your project, but I wish you the best of luck with it (you're gonna need it).
>
> -Stuart
>
> --
> Stuart Dallas
> 3ft9 Ltd
> http://3ft9.com/
>
Yup... I think rene forgot the fact is if each client requests pull
1MB/s , his upload has to be at least 120MB/s for 100 simultaneous
clients' connections. Last time I check in ISP services, that
bandwidth falls within OC-12+ category....
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Tommy Pham <tommy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Stuart Dallas <stu...@3ft9.com> wrote:
> >
> >> As for my files and homepage being Huge, yep, it's made for the future
> or current fast internet connections.
> >> Frankly, size reduction is not on my agenda. I'll wait for the nets to
> become faster still.
> >> And the server should spit it out at 2MB/s at least..
> >
> > That may be so, but when my 100Mbit/s connection finally managed to
> download the file it took about 4 minutes, which is nowhere near 2MB/s.
> Your homepage takes 7 seconds to load - that's unacceptable in the real
> world, especially when you're talking about a server that's (and I'm only
> guessing here) not under heavy load.
> >
> > Anyway, your comment about waiting for the nets (sic) to catch up so it
> can cope with your bloat has convinced me to not bother looking any further
> into your project, but I wish you the best of luck with it (you're gonna
> need it).
> >
> > -Stuart
> >
> > --
> > Stuart Dallas
> > 3ft9 Ltd
> > http://3ft9.com/
> >
>
> Yup... I think rene forgot the fact is if each client requests pull
> 1MB/s , his upload has to be at least 120MB/s for 100 simultaneous
> clients' connections. Last time I check in ISP services, that
> bandwidth falls within OC-12+ category....
>
If ya'll would take a closer look at my site, you'd see that most of the
size is in artwork.
If you want a simple site, use simple artwork.
It's _not_ my code's size that's any problem, as I mentioned earlier.
Enough for now, I'll look at this list tomorrow again.
Time for partying with the live mix at frequence3.fr now..
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Everyone makes valid points.. and depending on ones perspective, certain of
those points are more important than others... but, because of my nature
anyway, I want to just say thanks to rene7705 for bothering. He is not trying
to take anything.. but just share his creative process, in case it is fun for
anyone, or useful for anyone. He undoubtedly wants to improve too.. but there
is the middle step where positive reinforcement is the most pertinent thing.
Rene, don't mind the tones here.. we all get paid to scrutinize, so it can be
hard to snap out of that critical mindset sometimes.
-Govinda
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On 16 Mar 2012, at 20:53, rene7705 wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Stuart Dallas <stu...@3ft9.com> wrote:
>> On 16 Mar 2012, at 20:36, rene7705 wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Stuart Dallas <stu...@3ft9.com> wrote:
>> >> On 16 Mar 2012, at 18:57, rene7705 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi Folks..
>> >> >
>> >> > I could waste a lot of text on what I've accomplished during the last
>> >> > months, but the easiest thing is if you have a (another) look at (the
>> >> > source of) http://mediabeez.ws
>> >> >
>> >> > I think you'll like my opensourced work :)
>> >> >
>> >> > Feedback is appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> I'm also having trouble downloading the ZIP file (Chrome 17.0.963.79 on
>> >> OSX - not that the browser will have anything to do with this problem at
>> >> all). The download starts, gets to a few MB and doesn't get any further.
>> >>
>> >> And 52MB? Since I can't actually see what it contains it's hard to judge,
>> >> but right off the bat... is your artwork necessary for the thing to work?
>> >> What external libraries are you using?
>> >>
>> >> Just from looking around the site there are a few things that jump out...
>> >>
>> >> * The dropdown menus are incredible jittery, certainly nowhere near
>> >> production-ready.
>> >>
>> >> * The background image gets squished according to the dimensions of the
>> >> browser window.
>> >>
>> >> * Your homepage weighs in at massive 2.6MB. Nuff sed!
>> >>
>> >> I suggest you take the focus off the way it looks and concentrate on what
>> >> it does. Tabs with animated backgrounds remind me of websites from the
>> >> late 90s. You may have developed an incredible framework here, but I
>> >> don't know because it's buried under >50MB of other stuff that I almost
>> >> certainly don't care about, and that's before I've even been able to
>> >> download it.
>> >
>> > ok..
>> >
>> > That being unable to download the zip file correctly is something I'll
>> > take up with my hosting provider tomorrow.
>> > I've downloaded it in full and opened it OK in winrar just now, btw.
>> >
>> > The zip-file is created with winrar on windows 7, and according to Floyd
>> > Resler has to get it's extension changed to .rar, then decompressed with
>> > Stuffit Expander. Also something to look into soon, btw.
>>
>> That would explain why every zip decompression utility I've tried thinks
>> it's corrupt.
>>
>> > As for my menu being jittery, it's not jittery on any of the windows
>> > browsers I tested.
>> > And I have no mac-book available to me, not even from friends and family
>> > who are all on windows (on my recommendation btw ;)
>>
>> Are you ready for the shocking truth... not every computer in the world runs
>> Windows, so unless you've developed this purely for the friends and family
>> you've convinced to do so you may want to rethink your approach to testing.
>>
>> > As for my files and homepage being Huge, yep, it's made for the future or
>> > current fast internet connections.
>> > Frankly, size reduction is not on my agenda. I'll wait for the nets to
>> > become faster still.
>> > And the server should spit it out at 2MB/s at least..
>>
>> That may be so, but when my 100Mbit/s connection finally managed to download
>> the file it took about 4 minutes, which is nowhere near 2MB/s. Your homepage
>> takes 7 seconds to load - that's unacceptable in the real world, especially
>> when you're talking about a server that's (and I'm only guessing here) not
>> under heavy load.
>>
>> Anyway, your comment about waiting for the nets (sic) to catch up so it can
>> cope with your bloat has convinced me to not bother looking any further into
>> your project, but I wish you the best of luck with it (you're gonna need it).
>
> Okay, I don't wanna get into an argument here..
Shame, because I'd love to see you try to defend a position that promotes
wasting resources "just because they're there." This is not a new thing -
ever-increasing computing resources have always led to this short-sighted view
in the inexperienced, but trust me when I say you'll regret it when you're
paying for the bandwidth being used by thousands of people simultaneously using
a site that's using your framework. Why do you think other libraries such as
jquery recommend minifying their code before deployment, and then serving it
via gzip? Every bit and byte counts, especially as you scale up.
Anyway, I'm not trying to get into an argument (it's rare that I do), but I do
recommend that you take in what I've said on this issue. The size of the data
you're sending down the pipe matters if you want your library to be used for
anything serious, and no amount of artwork or pretty pictures will distract
anyone for long.
> Rest assured, all the javascript for my animated widgets combined is about
> 25kb.
Good for you. You might want to produce a download that doesn't include the
optional stuff so you can show how small it is, and provide examples that show
off what it can do using just that code.
Incidentally, a little over 2MB of your homepage is the logo. 2MB for the logo?
Seriously??
> The artwork for simple animations is about 100kb per button/menu-item theme.
100kB is not a simple animation, that's a mini-movie.
> The fact that I demo how to put video on a button and thus end up with nearly
> a dozen button themes that are about 2MB each, is just taking advantage of
> the fast links that are available in much of the world.
Make them a separate download. Not everyone is using a "fast link" and even
those of us who are may not care about those themes, so give us a choice as to
whether we download them. I certainly don't care about scenejs, yet it has
decompressed to 19MB!
> About me testing only on windows, you're right about that and I'll see if I
> can do something to improve my testing regime. For now i'm dependent on your
> patience and bugreports tho.
That's not what you said, you basically said that you've tested it on Windows
and don't care about anything else. Please don't take this as harsh criticism,
but if you're developing a library for other people to use, you need to
consider the environments in which they're likely to use it. If you don't have
the capability to develop/test your library on different systems you need to
foster a community around your library that can test for you and ideally
provide patches to fix bugs. I know testing on OSX can be an issue due to
prohibitive cost, but there's unlikely to be a good reason why you can't test
on Linux.
> And I had no idea winrar made such crappy zip files, I'll look into a
> replacement very soon.
Winrar did its job and made a rar file. Did you change the extension to zip?
The best compression utility I've found for Windows is 7-zip, but I haven't
used that OS for a while so I dunno if it's still the best.
I took a quick look around your code and I saw some scary stuff in there.
Taking lib_fileSystem.php as an example brings up the following issues...
* In the fgetsr function you open the file for reading and writing despite only
needing to read from the file.
* In zipExtractUnix you pass arguments onto the command line without escaping
them. You also assume that there is a command named "unzip" on all platforms,
where such a utility does not natively exist on any platform that I'm aware of
(possibly some Linux distributions I'll grant you, but they're the exception
rather than the rule).
* Not entirely sure what evalDate is supposed to do (function-level comments
would be useful) but it's passing variables into eval without any checks on
what they contain. Rule of thumb: if you think eval is the answer you're asking
the wrong question.
* In getFilePathList you're using evalDate, so now I know what it's for, and
you're definitely asking the wrong question.
* Your readIniFile function appears to be doing the same thing as PHP's
parse_ini_file function.
* There's a PHP function for renaming files, which will let you make your
renameFile function safe (it's not currently safe because it's another example
of not escaping arguments on a command line).
* Strangely you then use PHP's rename function to rename a file in
moveDirectoryStructure, so you're clearly aware of it.
I've probably missed stuff because this was a quick skim, and I've ignored
stylistic preferences that bug the hell out of me, but despite those caveats
there are some very serious, and pretty basic, security issues here.
I hope you find my feedback useful once you get past my sarcastic tone. I tried
to control it once, but it wasn't pretty and it didn't end well! :)
-Stuart
--
Stuart Dallas
3ft9 Ltd
http://3ft9.com/
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On Fri, 2012-03-16 at 22:11 +0100, rene7705 wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Tommy Pham <tommy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Stuart Dallas <stu...@3ft9.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> As for my files and homepage being Huge, yep, it's made for the future
> > or current fast internet connections.
> > >> Frankly, size reduction is not on my agenda. I'll wait for the nets to
> > become faster still.
> > >> And the server should spit it out at 2MB/s at least..
> > >
> > > That may be so, but when my 100Mbit/s connection finally managed to
> > download the file it took about 4 minutes, which is nowhere near 2MB/s.
> > Your homepage takes 7 seconds to load - that's unacceptable in the real
> > world, especially when you're talking about a server that's (and I'm only
> > guessing here) not under heavy load.
> > >
> > > Anyway, your comment about waiting for the nets (sic) to catch up so it
> > can cope with your bloat has convinced me to not bother looking any further
> > into your project, but I wish you the best of luck with it (you're gonna
> > need it).
> > >
> > > -Stuart
> > >
> > > --
> > > Stuart Dallas
> > > 3ft9 Ltd
> > > http://3ft9.com/
> > >
> >
> > Yup... I think rene forgot the fact is if each client requests pull
> > 1MB/s , his upload has to be at least 120MB/s for 100 simultaneous
> > clients' connections. Last time I check in ISP services, that
> > bandwidth falls within OC-12+ category....
> >
>
> If ya'll would take a closer look at my site, you'd see that most of the
> size is in artwork.
> If you want a simple site, use simple artwork.
> It's _not_ my code's size that's any problem, as I mentioned earlier.
>
> Enough for now, I'll look at this list tomorrow again.
> Time for partying with the live mix at frequence3.fr now..
Just adding my own two pennies to this lot.
It does seem a little irresponsible to create such a large (in size)
website, especially when you consider that in many countries people
don't have high-speed or unlimited access. Even the UK has lots of areas
with only basic Internet access via dial-up lines, and plenty of people
rely on mobile dongles to connect, which are most often metered and
slow.
On to the technicals of what you wanted us to look at, because I think
this thread has become slightly derailed from the original question.
* The 'Home: Downloads, Blog' link at the top doesn't work for me
at all. I'm using Fx 3.6 on Fedora 14
* The drop-down menu appears odd, with some items appearing over
the others
* The products menu at the top does nothing when clicked on
* Other 'pages' take a long time to load in
Sorry, but it really doesn't look very professional when basic things
(like links) don't work at all. I'd hate to have any kind of disability
because I doubt any screen readers would work, and using your site with
only a keyboard would probably be just as impossible.
That might seem like harsh feedback, but I do have quite a strong view
on accessibility.
--
Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
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