php-general Digest 22 Aug 2013 02:56:29 -0000 Issue 8339
Topics (messages 321937 through 321943):
Re: PHP vs JAVA
321937 by: georg chambert
321938 by: Sebastian Krebs
321939 by: Stuart Dallas
321940 by: Curtis Maurand
321942 by: Sebastian Krebs
321943 by: Curtis Maurand
Off the wall - sub-domain question
321941 by: Jim Giner
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Hi,
my I shake the subject a little; Ive been doing some PHP and found it "ok"
to work with
not so much fuss, but that was PHP4, what about PHP5 ?
Dont really checked the difference but made a short-scan and found that it
had be
screwed around with ?
Any think, should I change to 5 ?
BR georg
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From: "Tim Streater" <t...@clothears.org.uk>
To: "PHP List" <phpl...@arashidigital.com>; <php-gene...@lists.php.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:59 PM
Subject: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
On 20 Aug 2013 at 23:59, PHP List <phpl...@arashidigital.com> wrote:
While I don't have any references to back it up - my guess would be that
Java may be seen as more versatile in general programming terms. A
staggering number of enterprise level web applications are built with
Java, add to that the possibility of writing Android apps with the same
knowledge.
To me the salient point is, does java has as extensive a library or set of
interfaces to other packages (such as SQLite, mysql, etc)?
I would say that, in general, the other teacher is incorrect speaking
strictly in terms of web development. PHP has already won that crown
many times over. That said, when I was in University, it was difficult
to find a programming class that taught anything but Java - and that was
10yrs ago now. I chalked it up to the education bubble not being able
to see what the rest of the world is actually doing.
Was PHP OOP-capable at the time? Perhaps the edu-bubble was simply looking
down its nose at PHP. There being lots of courses proves nothing in and of
itself. 20 years ago, there were lots of PC mags you could buy, which caused
some folks to say "look how much better the PC is supported than other
platforms". Truth was, at the time, such support was needed given the mess
of 640k limits, DOS, IRQs and the like, most of which issues have ceased to
be relevant.
Anyway, why should one need a course to learn PHP, assuming you already know
other languages. It's simple enough.
--
Cheers -- Tim
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2013/8/21 georg chambert <georg.chamb...@telia.com>
> Hi,
>
> my I shake the subject a little; Ive been doing some PHP and found it "ok"
> to work with
> not so much fuss, but that was PHP4, what about PHP5 ?
> Dont really checked the difference but made a short-scan and found that it
> had be
> screwed around with ?
>
> Any think, should I change to 5 ?
>
ehm ... serious?
http://php.net/eol.php
>
> BR georg
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Streater" <t...@clothears.org.uk>
> To: "PHP List" <phpl...@arashidigital.com>; <php-gene...@lists.php.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:59 PM
> Subject: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
>
>
>
> On 20 Aug 2013 at 23:59, PHP List <phpl...@arashidigital.com> wrote:
>
> While I don't have any references to back it up - my guess would be that
>> Java may be seen as more versatile in general programming terms. A
>> staggering number of enterprise level web applications are built with
>> Java, add to that the possibility of writing Android apps with the same
>> knowledge.
>>
>
> To me the salient point is, does java has as extensive a library or set of
> interfaces to other packages (such as SQLite, mysql, etc)?
>
> I would say that, in general, the other teacher is incorrect speaking
>> strictly in terms of web development. PHP has already won that crown
>> many times over. That said, when I was in University, it was difficult
>> to find a programming class that taught anything but Java - and that was
>> 10yrs ago now. I chalked it up to the education bubble not being able
>> to see what the rest of the world is actually doing.
>>
>
> Was PHP OOP-capable at the time? Perhaps the edu-bubble was simply looking
> down its nose at PHP. There being lots of courses proves nothing in and of
> itself. 20 years ago, there were lots of PC mags you could buy, which
> caused some folks to say "look how much better the PC is supported than
> other platforms". Truth was, at the time, such support was needed given the
> mess of 640k limits, DOS, IRQs and the like, most of which issues have
> ceased to be relevant.
>
> Anyway, why should one need a course to learn PHP, assuming you already
> know other languages. It's simple enough.
>
> --
> Cheers -- Tim
>
>
>
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On 21 Aug 2013, at 15:01, "georg chambert" <georg.chamb...@telia.com> wrote:
> my I shake the subject a little; Ive been doing some PHP and found it "ok" to
> work with
> not so much fuss, but that was PHP4, what about PHP5 ?
> Dont really checked the difference but made a short-scan and found that it
> had be
> screwed around with ?
>
> Any think, should I change to 5 ?
Yes, even if it's only because PHP4 hasn't been supported in any way, including
security fixes, since August 7th, 2008! This fact alone makes it pretty
dangerous to be using it on a public site, and that's without getting into all
of the improvements that PHP5 has introduced over the past five years!
-Stuart
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Sorry in advance for the top post.
Use the right tool for
the Job. I've use Java, C# and PHP.
1. I hate the
Perl-like object calls in PHP. I'd rather use "." notation
in C# and Java. It saves a lot of wear and tear on my left pinky
finger.
2. Java and C# are both typed languages. Say what
you want, but I have working with a string like "02" and have
PHP convert that to an integer. sometimes I want that zero in
front. If I want that to be an integer in Java it's "int
myInteger = Integer.parseInt("02");"
3.
Java development environments (Eclipses, NetBeans, IBM RAD) are pretty
horrible. Visual Studio is hands down a better envrionment, even the
older versions of it. I've hooked Visual Studio into SVN in the past and
it works well.
4 PHP development environments are many and
varied and all of them suck at web debugging. I've used PHPEdit,
Zend, Bluefish, Eclipse and a couple others. Bluefish works better
on Linux than it does on Windows.
Use the tool for the job at
hand.
Just my $0.02 worth.
cheers,
Curtis
Tim Streater wrote:
> On 20 Aug 2013 at 23:59,
PHP List <phpl...@arashidigital.com> wrote:
>
>>
While I don't have any references to back it up - my guess would be
>> that
>> Java may be seen as more versatile in
general programming terms. A
>> staggering number of
enterprise level web applications are built with
>> Java, add
to that the possibility of writing Android apps with the same
>> knowledge.
>
> To me the salient point is,
does java has as extensive a library or set of
> interfaces to
other packages (such as SQLite, mysql, etc)?
>
>> I
would say that, in general, the other teacher is incorrect speaking
>> strictly in terms of web development. PHP has already won that
crown
>> many times over. That said, when I was in University,
it was difficult
>> to find a programming class that taught
anything but Java - and that
>> was
>> 10yrs ago
now. I chalked it up to the education bubble not being able
>>
to see what the rest of the world is actually doing.
>
>
Was PHP OOP-capable at the time? Perhaps the edu-bubble was simply
looking
> down its nose at PHP. There being lots of courses proves
nothing in and of
> itself. 20 years ago, there were lots of PC
mags you could buy, which
> caused some folks to say "look
how much better the PC is supported than
> other platforms".
Truth was, at the time, such support was needed given
> the mess
of 640k limits, DOS, IRQs and the like, most of which issues have
> ceased to be relevant.
>
> Anyway, why should one
need a course to learn PHP, assuming you already
> know other
languages. It's simple enough.
>
> --
> Cheers
-- Tim
>
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> PHP General Mailing List
(http://www.php.net/)
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2013/8/21 Curtis Maurand <cur...@maurand.com>
>
>
>
> Sorry in advance for the top post.
>
> Use the right tool for
> the Job. I've use Java, C# and PHP.
>
> 1. I hate the
> Perl-like object calls in PHP. I'd rather use "." notation
> in C# and Java. It saves a lot of wear and tear on my left pinky
> finger.
>
Actually the problem is, that the dot "." is already in use. With
$foo.bar() you cannot tell, if you want to call the method "bar()" on the
object "$foo", or if you want to concatenate the value of "$foo" to the
result of the function "bar()". There is no other way around this than a
different operator for method calls.
> 2. Java and C# are both typed languages. Say what
> you want, but I have working with a string like "02" and have
> PHP convert that to an integer. sometimes I want that zero in
> front. If I want that to be an integer in Java it's "int
> myInteger = Integer.parseInt("02");"
>
> 3.
> Java development environments (Eclipses, NetBeans, IBM RAD) are pretty
> horrible. Visual Studio is hands down a better envrionment, even the
> older versions of it. I've hooked Visual Studio into SVN in the past and
> it works well.
>
Ever tried the jetbrains products? :D (No, they don't pay me)
>
> 4 PHP development environments are many and
> varied and all of them suck at web debugging. I've used PHPEdit,
> Zend, Bluefish, Eclipse and a couple others. Bluefish works better
> on Linux than it does on Windows.
>
I use PhpStorm and it works quite fine.
>
> Use the tool for the job at
> hand.
>
> Just my $0.02 worth.
>
> cheers,
> Curtis
>
> Tim Streater wrote:
> > On 20 Aug 2013 at 23:59,
> PHP List <phpl...@arashidigital.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> While I don't have any references to back it up - my guess would be
> >> that
> >> Java may be seen as more versatile in
> general programming terms. A
> >> staggering number of
> enterprise level web applications are built with
> >> Java, add
> to that the possibility of writing Android apps with the same
> >> knowledge.
> >
> > To me the salient point is,
> does java has as extensive a library or set of
> > interfaces to
> other packages (such as SQLite, mysql, etc)?
> >
> >> I
> would say that, in general, the other teacher is incorrect speaking
> >> strictly in terms of web development. PHP has already won that
> crown
> >> many times over. That said, when I was in University,
> it was difficult
> >> to find a programming class that taught
> anything but Java - and that
> >> was
> >> 10yrs ago
> now. I chalked it up to the education bubble not being able
> >>
> to see what the rest of the world is actually doing.
> >
> >
> Was PHP OOP-capable at the time? Perhaps the edu-bubble was simply
> looking
> > down its nose at PHP. There being lots of courses proves
> nothing in and of
> > itself. 20 years ago, there were lots of PC
> mags you could buy, which
> > caused some folks to say "look
> how much better the PC is supported than
> > other platforms".
> Truth was, at the time, such support was needed given
> > the mess
> of 640k limits, DOS, IRQs and the like, most of which issues have
> > ceased to be relevant.
> >
> > Anyway, why should one
> need a course to learn PHP, assuming you already
> > know other
> languages. It's simple enough.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers
> -- Tim
> >
> > --
> > PHP General Mailing List
> (http://www.php.net/)
> > To unsubscribe, visit:
> http://www.php.net/unsub.php
>
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Sebastian Krebs wrote:
> 2013/8/21 Curtis Maurand
<cur...@maurand.com>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry in advance for the top post.
>>
>> Use the right tool for
>> the Job.
I've use Java, C# and PHP.
>>
>> 1. I hate the
>> Perl-like object calls in PHP. I'd rather use "."
notation
>> in C# and Java. It saves a lot of wear and tear on
my left pinky
>> finger.
>>
>
>
Actually the problem is, that the dot "." is already in use.
With
> $foo.bar() you cannot tell, if you want to call the method
"bar()" on the
> object "$foo", or if you want
to concatenate the value of "$foo" to the
> result of
the function "bar()". There is no other way around this than
a
> different operator for method calls.
I didn't think
of that. It seems to me there could be an easier operator than ->
which sometimes will make me stop and look at what keys I'm trying to
hit. Just a thought. I forgot about the concatenation operator
which is "+" in Java/C#
>
>
>> 2.
Java and C# are both typed languages. Say what
>> you want,
but I have working with a string like "02" and have
>> PHP convert that to an integer. sometimes I want that zero
in
>> front. If I want that to be an integer in Java it's
"int
>> myInteger =
Integer.parseInt("02");"
>>
>> 3.
>> Java development environments (Eclipses, NetBeans, IBM RAD) are
pretty
>> horrible. Visual Studio is hands down a better
envrionment, even the
>> older versions of it. I've hooked
Visual Studio into SVN in the past and
>> it works well.
>>
>
> Ever tried the jetbrains products? :D (No,
they don't pay me)
I have not, but it looks interesting.
I'll have to try it.
>
>
>>
>> 4 PHP development environments are many and
>>
varied and all of them suck at web debugging. I've used PHPEdit,
>> Zend, Bluefish, Eclipse and a couple others. Bluefish works
better
>> on Linux than it does on Windows.
>>
>
> I use PhpStorm and it works quite fine.
>
>
>>
>> Use the tool for the job at
>> hand.
>>
>> Just my $0.02 worth.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Curtis
>>
>> Tim Streater wrote:
>> > On 20 Aug 2013 at
23:59,
>> PHP List <phpl...@arashidigital.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> While I don't have
any references to back it up - my guess would be
>> >>
that
>> >> Java may be seen as more versatile in
>> general programming terms. A
>> >> staggering
number of
>> enterprise level web applications are built
with
>> >> Java, add
>> to that the
possibility of writing Android apps with the same
>> >>
knowledge.
>> >
>> > To me the salient point
is,
>> does java has as extensive a library or set of
>> > interfaces to
>> other packages (such as
SQLite, mysql, etc)?
>> >
>> >> I
>> would say that, in general, the other teacher is incorrect
speaking
>> >> strictly in terms of web development. PHP
has already won that
>> crown
>> >> many times
over. That said, when I was in University,
>> it was
difficult
>> >> to find a programming class that
taught
>> anything but Java - and that
>> >>
was
>> >> 10yrs ago
>> now. I chalked it up
to the education bubble not being able
>> >>
>> to see what the rest of the world is actually doing.
>> >
>> >
>> Was PHP OOP-capable at
the time? Perhaps the edu-bubble was simply
>> looking
>> > down its nose at PHP. There being lots of courses
proves
>> nothing in and of
>> > itself. 20 years
ago, there were lots of PC
>> mags you could buy, which
>> > caused some folks to say "look
>> how much
better the PC is supported than
>> > other
platforms".
>> Truth was, at the time, such support was
needed given
>> > the mess
>> of 640k limits,
DOS, IRQs and the like, most of which issues have
>> >
ceased to be relevant.
>> >
>> > Anyway, why
should one
>> need a course to learn PHP, assuming you
already
>> > know other
>> languages. It's simple
enough.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
Cheers
>> -- Tim
>> >
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>>
(http://www.php.net/)
>> > To unsubscribe, visit:
>> http://www.php.net/unsub.php
>>
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I have a main domain (of course) and a sub domain. I'm really trying to
steer my personal stuff away from the main one and have focused all of
my php development to the sub-domain.
Lately I noticed that google catalogs my sub-domain site stuff under the
main domain name and the links that come up lead to that domain name
with the path that takes the user to the sub-domain's home folder and
beyond.
Is there something that php (apache??) can do to control either google's
robots or the user's view (url) so that it appears as a page of my
sub-domain? I'm really new at this stuff and know nothing. I'm lucky
that google is even finding my site!
IN advance - I apologize for this off-topic question, but this place is
a source of much knowledge, so I just threw in a quick interlude here to
pick someone's brain. :)
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