Bug#666851: Apache 2.4 upload date scheduled for May 30

2013-05-30 Thread Arno Töll
Hi,


 To minimize the breakage to our Sid users, we'd ask all of you having a
 transitioned package ready in Experimental, to make an upload to Sid
 AFTER the 13:52 UTC dinstall, and BEFORE 19:52 UTC [1].

Apache 2.4 is in Unstable now. Please upload asap, or let me know if I
shall NMU.

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Bug#666851: Apache 2.4 upload date scheduled for May 30

2013-05-30 Thread Arno Töll
Hi Tony,

On 30.05.2013 22:30, tony mancill wrote:
 I'll take a look at updating the package tonight based on Damien's work
 on libapache-mod-jk 1:1.2.35-1.  Or if you have a debdiff ready to go,
 please attach it to the bug report.  No need for an NMU.

no I don't, but I had the same plan as you, that is to take the existing
package in Experimental and possibly upload that to Sid.

Thanks for your work.


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Bug#666851: Apache 2.4 upload date scheduled for May 30

2013-05-30 Thread Arno Töll
Hi,

On 30.05.2013 23:53, tony mancill wrote:
 you to work on this if that's okay with Arno, timing-wise.  My Debian
 dance card is full... :)

I'm perfectly fine if you go ahead that way. It's your package after
all, so it's not exactly me to decide who is best suited to upload your
own packages. :)

I don't think one day makes much of difference in look of all the havoc
caused by my upload earlier for modules which have no fix at all. Thanks
for working on it so early!

I just wanted to make sure your module gets fixed in a timely manner
because it is one of the more important ones, where many people may be
using it.

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Bug#666851: Apache 2.4 upload date scheduled for May 30

2013-05-23 Thread Arno Töll
Hello fellow maintainers,

we are ready to upload Apache2 2.4 to Debian Sid now. This means the
transition is effectively starting now, and going to break your modules.


We have scheduled the upload for May 30, 2013 BEFORE the 19:52 UTC
dinstall on ftp-master.

To minimize the breakage to our Sid users, we'd ask all of you having a
transitioned package ready in Experimental, to make an upload to Sid
AFTER the 13:52 UTC dinstall, and BEFORE 19:52 UTC [1].


Let us know if you need a sponsor, or our help to upload your packages
in that time window. Please note, you could also use the DELAYED queue
to make timed upload [2].

[1] http://ftp-master.debian.org/#dinstall
[2] http://ftp-master.debian.org/deferred.html


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Bug#666851: Apache 2.4 transition is ready in VCS

2013-05-07 Thread Arno Töll
Hi,

duly noted! Thanks for you work. I'll come back to you once other
modules from #707024 are ready to be uploaded, so that we can do
coordinated rush to unstable.

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Reboot Apache2 2.4 transition

2013-05-04 Thread Arno Töll
Hi there,

Now that Wheezy is ehrm virtually released ..., we'd like to reboot the
Apache 2.4 transition process as soon as possible. In other words, we'd
like to break Sid - as far as Apache is involved - in a foreseeable
future. With your permission to proceed as suggested pending, we'd like
to propose this procedure to continue with the Apache 2.4 transition:

*) Aim for an upload of Apache 2.4 in June. The exact date is not fixed
and determined by two factors: You approving the process itself, and the
availability of a 2.4 port for certain reverse dependencies (see next
point).

*) Since this upload is going to break all existing module reverse
dependencies, this causes bad breakage to users of Apache in Sid. We're
aware of that, but it can't be avoided entirely since a transition in
Experimental only does not seem to work out that well, as we're trying
to prod the maintainers of affected packages for over a year.

However, to smoothen the transition as much as possible, we'd like to
wait with an upload to Sid until these reverse dependencies have updated
packages available and then do a coordinated upload with the respective
maintainers (they're all CC:-ed):

- mod_php
- mod_security
- mod_wsgi
- mod_dnssd (gnome-user-share)
- mod_jk
- mod_fcgid
- subversion

This is a somewhat biased choice, based on the popularity of the
modules, and their relative importance in the Apache eco-system itself.
PHP, and WSGI for example have reverse dependencies on their own, which
are affected by our transition, too. Please maintainers of these
package, do help us so that we can do the upload in a timely manner.

Maintainers, if you need help us to transition with these modules, let
the Apache maintainers know. We'll help you.

*) Once the package is uploaded to Unstable together with a reasonably
small subset of reverse dependencies as defined above, we'd like to
successively  increase the amount of transitioned packages to a larger
amount (see the full list in previous posts) before considering a
migration to Testing.

It is up to decide together with you when exactly this is going to
happen, but I do not suspect this being the case until (end of) summer.

At some point we'd like to ask you to remove remaining non-transitioned
packages from Testing so that we migrate the already transitioned
packages, including our own. Until then, we'd file a testing migration
blocking bug against our own package, so that it can't migrate to
Testing by accident.

*) Once the package has reached Testing, we'd like to address a
transition of web-applications reverse depending on Apache. This cannot
be parallelized easily, because most of them are depending on some other
third party module, too. On the upside, web applications are somewhat
broken during the migration, but this may only affect the integration of
the Apache web server, whereas the application itself remains functional.

Does this make sense to you?


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Bug#666851: Apache2.4 transition: reboot

2013-05-04 Thread Arno Töll
Dear maintainers,

now that the work is done and Debian 7.0 (Wheezy) is released [*], we
are booting the Apache 2.4 transition process again. If you did not
already, please subscribe to transition bug #661958 to keep up with our
transition plan in detail as this IS going to affect your package.

Unless the Release Team is going to assign us another slot to start the
transition we are going to upload Apache 2.4 to Debian Sid at some point
in June. If you do not prepare a package which works together with the
Apache 2.4 server ABI by then, it is going to stop working at that time.

Let me emphasize again you do need to make adjustments in the
source of your package to get it working with Apache 2.4. Moreover, the
APIs slightly changed from 2.2 to 2.4 so that some modules may require
some porting. On the upside, it has been over a year that Apache 2.4 was
released and many upstreams made compatible releases. Moreover, porting
is easy in most cases and I've filed patches to some of your modules.

Either way, if you are trying to load existing module from Sid into
an Apache 2.4 web server is going to fail at runtime which renders your
package virtually useless.

We are planning to make the transition as smooth as possible to our
users. Thus, we do not want to let the Apache 2.4 package migrate to
Testing anytime soon. Instead, we'd like to let it migrate together with
a bunch of transitioned third party modules (i.e. your packages). Please
help us to make this happen soon.

While we invite everyone to provide updated packages as soon as
possible, don't hesitate to contact us if you feel like, we should wait
for you and your package when considering a migration to Debian Testing.
All packages which are not yet transitioned at that point will
eventually be removed from Testing.

Please prepare updates for your packages NOW and upload an upgraded
package to Debian Experimental and/or have a patch ready in your VCS. In
the case of the latter, please tag this bug pending. We chose some very
important external modules to be a blocker for our upload to Unstable.
That is, we will wait for you until we are uploading to Unstable, so
that we can do a coordinated upload to mitigate the impact of Sid users.
 If you are the maintainer of such a blocker module, we'll contact you
separately again. If you feel like you should be on the blocker list
denoted in #661958 please let us know as soon as possible.

[*] yah, it's not yet formally speaking

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