Re: [Bug 105458] Re: [needs-packaging] HandBrake
Hi, Paul.
(I'm CC'ing pkg-multimedia-maintainers, as there are many people there
interested in handbrake---and they have done a lot to help me getting
handbrake in shape in Debian).
On Feb 03 2013, Paul Gevers wrote:
On 02-02-13 12:31, Rogério Theodoro de Brito wrote:
The only reason why it was uploaded to experimental is that we didn't want
to disrupt with Debian's freeze for the release of wheezy.
Ok, understood. Does this mean that a sync request for Ubuntu is safe.
Yes, it is. Just be sure to make it clear to the users (perhaps updating the
package's long description) that the package does not have the two features
that I cited due to sad licensing reasons.
Of course, those that only use things will curse and moan, but they don't
know how it is to get these things straight.
Just for the record, the package is with reduced functionality, due to
license reasons:
Understood, but as Ubuntu follows Debian if nobody put in the time to do
something different, I think that is 100% acceptable.
OK, great.
Any kind of help is mostly appreciated, especially when talking to upstream
and:
This is not a package that is so trivial to make available on a distribution
and I have spent many weeks trying to get it to a point where it was able to
be included in Debian.
I am currently working on getting an other project (openmotif) in shape
for Debian. After that I might have the time to help if it is then still
needed.
Help is surely wanted. I am more or less stagnated with this, because I have
not been able to put the necessary time to talk with upstream.
Convincing them to cut a new stable release would be superb, as:
1 - They have some important features there (e.g., bob deinterlacing, a lot
of work fixing subtitles etc).
*and*
2 - It would make packaging significantly easier, as they are churning out
new patches to third-party libraries that we already have in Debian (but
not necessarity in patched form), and it would take coordination with
maintainers of other packages, so that we all have compatible stuff.
From handbrake's point of view, it is certainly the faster route to continue
the development patching the libraries that they need (and bundle such
libraries), but it is a major burden for distributions that want to have
handbrake available in their repositories.
More frequent releases from their part would be so much appreciated.
Regards,
--
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Re: [Bug 105458] Re: [needs-packaging] HandBrake
On 03-02-13 09:51, Rogério Theodoro de Brito wrote: Hi, Paul. (I'm CC'ing pkg-multimedia-maintainers, as there are many people there interested in handbrake---and they have done a lot to help me getting handbrake in shape in Debian). [I think you forgot to actually add the CC, doing it now.] On Feb 03 2013, Paul Gevers wrote: On 02-02-13 12:31, Rogério Theodoro de Brito wrote: The only reason why it was uploaded to experimental is that we didn't want to disrupt with Debian's freeze for the release of wheezy. Ok, understood. Does this mean that a sync request for Ubuntu is safe. Yes, it is. Just be sure to make it clear to the users (perhaps updating the package's long description) that the package does not have the two features that I cited due to sad licensing reasons. I would just ask for a SYNC, which means that the description is taken over as it is now in Debian. Don't you think the Debian users would want this warning as well, so that it warrants an update there? Of course, those that only use things will curse and moan, but they don't know how it is to get these things straight. Fully ACK. I have been involved in those kind of discussions before. Just for the record, the package is with reduced functionality, due to license reasons: Understood, but as Ubuntu follows Debian if nobody put in the time to do something different, I think that is 100% acceptable. OK, great. Any kind of help is mostly appreciated, especially when talking to upstream and: This is not a package that is so trivial to make available on a distribution and I have spent many weeks trying to get it to a point where it was able to be included in Debian. I am currently working on getting an other project (openmotif) in shape for Debian. After that I might have the time to help if it is then still needed. Help is surely wanted. I am more or less stagnated with this, because I have not been able to put the necessary time to talk with upstream. Convincing them to cut a new stable release would be superb, as: 1 - They have some important features there (e.g., bob deinterlacing, a lot of work fixing subtitles etc). *and* 2 - It would make packaging significantly easier, as they are churning out new patches to third-party libraries that we already have in Debian (but not necessarity in patched form), and it would take coordination with maintainers of other packages, so that we all have compatible stuff. From handbrake's point of view, it is certainly the faster route to continue the development patching the libraries that they need (and bundle such libraries), but it is a major burden for distributions that want to have handbrake available in their repositories. More frequent releases from their part would be so much appreciated. I understand. So you are basically saying that so far Handbrake upstream has not seen much interest in being nice to distributions? Shame on them then, or is it just that they don't know but are willing to learn? Paul signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: [Bug 105458] Re: [needs-packaging] HandBrake
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Paul Gevers p...@climbing.nl wrote: On 03-02-13 09:51, Rogério Theodoro de Brito wrote: Hi, Paul. (I'm CC'ing pkg-multimedia-maintainers, as there are many people there interested in handbrake---and they have done a lot to help me getting handbrake in shape in Debian). [I think you forgot to actually add the CC, doing it now.] On Feb 03 2013, Paul Gevers wrote: On 02-02-13 12:31, Rogério Theodoro de Brito wrote: The only reason why it was uploaded to experimental is that we didn't want to disrupt with Debian's freeze for the release of wheezy. Ok, understood. Does this mean that a sync request for Ubuntu is safe. Yes, it is. Just be sure to make it clear to the users (perhaps updating the package's long description) that the package does not have the two features that I cited due to sad licensing reasons. I would just ask for a SYNC, which means that the description is taken over as it is now in Debian. Don't you think the Debian users would want this warning as well, so that it warrants an update there? Yes, please file a bug so that we do not forget about that. Of course, those that only use things will curse and moan, but they don't know how it is to get these things straight. Fully ACK. I have been involved in those kind of discussions before. Just for the record, the package is with reduced functionality, due to license reasons: Understood, but as Ubuntu follows Debian if nobody put in the time to do something different, I think that is 100% acceptable. OK, great. Any kind of help is mostly appreciated, especially when talking to upstream and: This is not a package that is so trivial to make available on a distribution and I have spent many weeks trying to get it to a point where it was able to be included in Debian. I am currently working on getting an other project (openmotif) in shape for Debian. After that I might have the time to help if it is then still needed. Help is surely wanted. I am more or less stagnated with this, because I have not been able to put the necessary time to talk with upstream. Convincing them to cut a new stable release would be superb, as: 1 - They have some important features there (e.g., bob deinterlacing, a lot of work fixing subtitles etc). *and* 2 - It would make packaging significantly easier, as they are churning out new patches to third-party libraries that we already have in Debian (but not necessarity in patched form), and it would take coordination with maintainers of other packages, so that we all have compatible stuff. From handbrake's point of view, it is certainly the faster route to continue the development patching the libraries that they need (and bundle such libraries), but it is a major burden for distributions that want to have handbrake available in their repositories. More frequent releases from their part would be so much appreciated. I understand. So you are basically saying that so far Handbrake upstream has not seen much interest in being nice to distributions? Shame on them then, or is it just that they don't know but are willing to learn? My contact with upstream has been mainly with John Stebbins, who is really a very nice guy. What is lacking is mainly manpower to solve the last remaining issues. Unfortunately, the tasks are not exactly easy, and upstream prefers to take the easy route (i.e., relying on libraries with questionable licenses that are not acceptable for Debian, and btw also not for ubuntu). -- regards, Reinhard ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
