Re: Need a couple of volunteers (was: Re: TokamakIV update)
Hi Marco and Alexis, I could help in such task although I'm not used to such mobile devices. I'll receive an N900 in next weeks, so that would be a good chance to begin some work in that direction. See you, Sandro Andrade On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Alexis Ménard men...@kde.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 12 January 2010, Marco Martin wrote: Hi all, Since a couple of days i had the occasion playing aroung with a neat mobile device by Intel. I think it's a good development platform to get plasma-mobile started since is basicaly a pc (tough only slightly bigger than an n810) so getting things to run on it is really easy. Now since i had green light to ask this, (i know that's a rethorical question since i know everybody here loves this stuff ;p) if i can get at least two people that will be interested working on them during Tokamak i think i can make them lending us two more devices, so there will be enough to experiment for some people. then of course they don't have to do that all the time, we just have to make sure they'll be put in good use. who raises hand? :) Would really need a couple more of yes, i'm interested :p also, it would make working with those things significantly easier if someody has laying around things like an usb ethernet adaptor (getting wifi to work on them is too random:) and usb hubs, preferably powered and can share them just during the meeting ;) For me i do prefer working on the N900, the config is much more reliable and easy. I bring extra devices for other people. Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma queued notifications
On Tuesday 12 January 2010, Charly Ghislain wrote: Hi all, As an excuse to get used to the c++ and the kde api, i thought of implementing queued notifications as there are issues with the current system. I'd like to hear your thought about how such feature should be implemented. I forward here the mail i sent to aseigo and normart so that everyone can get involved. Thank you, Charly (cghislai) == forwarded message Hi, I'm getting into kde api slowly and thought it could be interesting to implements queued notifications (be it jobs or whatever). With the current implementation, a badly designed application might start a lot of jobs in parallel pulluting the desktop with lots of extenders. I was told that you, notmart, should know that code and i saw that you, aseigo, planned this feature in the release Schedule. Its stated as 'IN PROGRESS', maybe you are handling this already. If you're not, i'd like to know how you think this should be implemented. The easy way seems to restrict a number of notifications to be showed simultaneously, yet im not really sure which class should be in charge, it seems the ExtenderTask's ExtenderBusyWidget does. It might be interesting to think if jobs should be queued or run simultaneously. they are already kinda limited to an hardcoded 10, but it has to get better. Another possibility is to create another widget, which could then be any kind of applet. the ExtenderTask (which should then be renamed) will create either a ExtenderBusyWidget orthis another one with respect to user preferences. IMHO, the proper way to do this with modularity in mind is using the following classes: - The task with its help-about icon, and a notificationPresenter - A NotificationWidget, in charge of showing notifications to the user. It should be abstract and the current extenders implementation a subclass of it. - A NotificationsQueue, keeping track of waiting, running or finished notifications /jobs. This could be the Manager. - A NotificationPresenter, which hold the behaviour of notifications, like what to do when whatever event happened. This behaviour shoud be common amongst the different widgets (extenders / queued popups), so it might be useful to put it into his own class. the presenter should create its own NotificationWidget This is my MVP design, it might not be suitable or not fit in the plasma well, it already has a quite mvp design, due to the searation of Notification/NotificationWidget and Job/Jobidget Wht's is needed is a better visualization of the notification/job widgets. i was planning about the following: -merge the concets of completed jobs and notifications, so visible for a while, then going in the pool of old notifications -make the popup a scrollview, it will be always exactly big enough to show exactly the curent notification/jobs, but no more than a certain ratio of the screen. to access the old notifications just scroll the view down, without having to press strane button or whatever, there will be some page semantics. this way it would be the less annoying, because it won't never take too much screen without sacrificing important bits of information. the challenge is to do it without it looking total crap, i had a semi working patch but had some issues Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Need a couple of volunteers (was: Re: TokamakIV update)
who raises hand? :) Would really need a couple more of yes, i'm interested :p I love gadgets, so when not working on plasma+nepomuk, I could join the mobile group as well :) Cheerio -- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort -- Herm Albright ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Need a couple of volunteers (was: Re: TokamakIV update)
On Wednesday 13 January 2010, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On January 13, 2010, Alexis Ménard wrote: On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: Would really need a couple more of yes, i'm interested :p i'm certainly game :) also, it would make working with those things significantly easier if someody has laying around things like an usb ethernet adaptor (getting wifi to work on them is too random:) and usb hubs, preferably powered and can share them just during the meeting ;) we should make a list of these things on the tokamak4 page on techbase. doing right now For me i do prefer working on the N900, the config is much more reliable and easy. i think we can do both. being able to work with various devices will give us useful experience and broaden the targets for our software. exactly, even if they're somewhat similar they pose quite different problems. what i'm really looking forward is to get the maemo development environment up and running in the best way for KDE development (and if a good document how to achieve that will be produced would be killer) also because helping resolving build issues is something that can be done by everybody, no need to have an actual device :p i'm just excited to have devices from these two giants of the industry there :) yep :D Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Need a couple of volunteers (was: Re: TokamakIV update)
On Wednesday 13 January 2010 14:08:57 Marco Martin wrote: exactly, even if they're somewhat similar they pose quite different problems. what i'm really looking forward is to get the maemo development environment up and running in the best way for KDE development (and if a good document how to achieve that will be produced would be killer) Good timing it seems, I meant to publish that for a while but solved the hosting issues only this week: http://ervin.ipsquad.net/2010/01/13/helping-with-maemo-sdk-deployment-qtmaemo- vm/ Regards. -- Kévin Ottens, http://ervin.ipsquad.net KDAB - proud patron of KDE, http://www.kdab.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Need a couple of volunteers (was: Re: TokamakIV update)
On Tuesday 12 January 2010, Marco Martin wrote: Hi all, Since a couple of days i had the occasion playing aroung with a neat mobile device by Intel. I think it's a good development platform to get plasma-mobile started since is basicaly a pc (tough only slightly bigger than an n810) so getting things to run on it is really easy. Now since i had green light to ask this, (i know that's a rethorical question since i know everybody here loves this stuff ;p) if i can get at least two people that will be interested working on them during Tokamak i think i can make them lending us two more devices, so there will be enough to experiment for some people. then of course they don't have to do that all the time, we just have to make sure they'll be put in good use. who raises hand? :) cheers, Marco Martin another update with good news: probably two of them can be lended to two people for some time after the sprint, to still work a bit with those devices. (unfortunately they prefer to keep them in europe, for shipment costs i suppose, so this phases out some people, sorry :/) I think we'll decide at the last moment wo takes them, based on how the sprint was gone. I was thinking about asking something like 3 weeks/one month, then who received should ship the thing back. any comments? need more/less time? Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Need a couple of volunteers (was: Re: TokamakIV update)
On January 13, 2010, Marco Martin wrote: I was thinking about asking something like 3 weeks/one month, then who received should ship the thing back. any comments? need more/less time? i'd ask for at least 2 months if at all possible. a full KDE release cycle would be golden, but that may be asking too much :) otherwise, i think this is a brilliant approach. -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Need a couple of volunteers (was: Re: TokamakIV update)
On Wednesday 13 January 2010, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On January 13, 2010, Marco Martin wrote: I was thinking about asking something like 3 weeks/one month, then who received should ship the thing back. any comments? need more/less time? i'd ask for at least 2 months if at all possible. a full KDE release cycle would be golden, but that may be asking too much :) otherwise, i think this is a brilliant approach. ok, i've asked 2 months now, let's see how it goes :) Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Need a couple of volunteers (was: Re: TokamakIV update)
Would really need a couple more of yes, i'm interested :p ohh, I wish I could say yes, but I've got enough on my plate already... I'll be playing with my n900 at tokamak if I ever get around to building plasma- moblie (erm, are there instructions anywhere? dependency list?) also, it would make working with those things significantly easier if someody has laying around things like an usb ethernet adaptor (getting wifi to work on them is too random:) and usb hubs, preferably powered and can share them just during the meeting ;) well, aaron has my trolltech usb-cupwarmer-hub, I'm sure he can bring that. :) -- This message brought to you by eevil bananas and the number 3. www.chani3.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Need a couple of volunteers (was: Re: TokamakIV update)
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Chani chan...@gmail.com wrote: Would really need a couple more of yes, i'm interested :p ohh, I wish I could say yes, but I've got enough on my plate already... I'll be playing with my n900 at tokamak if I ever get around to building plasma- moblie (erm, are there instructions anywhere? dependency list?) In my mind mouahahahah...When arthur is coming (before i'm busy...sorrry) we're gonna clean that properly so wiki + packages (and the scripts)... Some dependencies are missing, i'm gonna package them (almost done) and upload that to extra-devel so people don't need to go to that step :D. For example, soprano, raptor,... also, it would make working with those things significantly easier if someody has laying around things like an usb ethernet adaptor (getting wifi to work on them is too random:) and usb hubs, preferably powered and can share them just during the meeting ;) well, aaron has my trolltech usb-cupwarmer-hub, I'm sure he can bring that. :) -- This message brought to you by eevil bananas and the number 3. www.chani3.com ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Need a couple of volunteers (was: Re: TokamakIV update)
On Wednesday 13 January 2010, Alexis Ménard wrote: On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Chani chan...@gmail.com wrote: Would really need a couple more of yes, i'm interested :p ohh, I wish I could say yes, but I've got enough on my plate already... I'll be playing with my n900 at tokamak if I ever get around to building plasma- moblie (erm, are there instructions anywhere? dependency list?) In my mind mouahahahah...When arthur is coming (before i'm busy...sorrry) we're gonna clean that properly so wiki + packages (and the scripts)... Some dependencies are missing, i'm gonna package them (almost done) and upload that to extra-devel so people don't need to go to that step :D. For example, soprano, raptor,... : last time i tried i was a bit lost on broken dependencies in the packaged qt themselves (hope it's fixed by now?) and mysql, that's a bit a brutal dependency in this context, but exterminating all the pim related stuff from the build doesn't seem pretty nice as well :) (and yeah, on the intel device at the moment i'm using 3rd party mysql package built by the xbmc project :p) Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Need a couple of volunteers (was: Re: TokamakIV update)
On Wednesday 13 January 2010 23:39:33 Marco Martin wrote: last time i tried i was a bit lost on broken dependencies in the packaged qt themselves (hope it's fixed by now?) and mysql, that's a bit a brutal dependency in this context, but exterminating all the pim related stuff from the build doesn't seem pretty nice as well :) On the maemo side it's being worked on ATM. Right now the mysql issues are getting solved (if everything goes well fixes will get in the upstream qt- maemo) even though depending on mysql is a temporary measure to enable everyone to start working on those platforms. Regards. -- Kévin Ottens, http://ervin.ipsquad.net KDAB - proud patron of KDE, http://www.kdab.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
