Re: folderview as default for all users
On Tuesday, 2012-12-11, adrelanos wrote: Kevin Krammer: As I already wrote on the other mailinglist there is a share/ missing in this path, as demonstrated by the output of kde4-config. I am sorry, I failed to understand that mail and went back to the mail plasma-devel@kde.org suggestion. Ah, no problem :) /usr/local/share/whonix/kde/share/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout .js Does it work if you use that? Yes. Thanks you! Excellent! Turns out we actually have documentation for that :) http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/PlasmaDesktopScripting#Running_Scripts Btw, since we are on plasma-devel already, maybe some of the developers here would have some ideas on how to use the JobViewServer from a sciprting language that has native D-Bus support. Probably better as a new thread though. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Mono icons in systray
Dear all, I noticed how the new air theme (which is just beautiful, btw) makes the mono icons in systray quite low-constrast; this is especially apparent with compositing turned off. I started thinking about a sensible solution which would not require rebuilding all mono icons every time we change the default plasma theme; recalling some recent post on icon fonts, I wonder if switching to an icon font for monochrome plasma icons would provide us with a solution; in my opinion there are quite a number of advantages: - the new air theme (and the whole design trend these days) is considerably “flatter” than the old ones; perhaps *really* flat mono icons could fit better than the current ones, with all these gradients and borders. Besides, one could in principle render fonts with a gradient and a border, as it is already done for the keyboard layout applet and the plasma digital clock. - hinting: fonts provide hinting informations for pixel-snapping on-screen rendering at small sizes (which are typically the ones used in systray). This does not make the icon pixel perfect, but possibly quite close to it. Manually hinting a font is quite painful, but after all we do not have too many icons to take care of… - subpixel antialiasing: subpixel antialiasing (for those who like it) would possibly make curves smoother - coloring: icons can be colored in such a way to optimize contrast, this makes borders around shapes not necessary and help saving precious pixels Of course there are a few disadvantages: - things get more complicated with composite icons, (e.g. volume or battery), so we should cook out some reasonable way to define things such as svg groups for fonts - Learn to use a new tool (e.g. fontforge) to design such icons (altough we could obtain some help from Vernon Adams, who is designing the Oxygen font) My proposal is to create some sort of plasma icon service, which would create QIcons of the right size™ from a special font; this would be totally transparent to applets, exactly as it is done now with svg icons embedded in plasma themes. So I am asking, what are your opinions on this? Does this make sense to you? Do you think is it worth working in this direction? (I'm heading for 4.11, of course) Thanks, Best __J ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Re: [RFC] New (QML) Desktop Containment
On Tuesday 11 December 2012 01:40:04 Martin Graesslin wrote: On Monday 10 December 2012 13:51:02 Alex Fiestas wrote: Maybe we can get some feedback from the forums ? we have to be careful about that. From all I have seen over the last years I think that the toolbox is in the top 3 most hated features all over KDE software. So if we ask the question in the wrong way we only get the haters and not those who use it and like it (nobody is going to reply to a thread if he has the feeling he will be ripped apart). And forums does not reflect our userbase - it has only the users who are interested in KDE and do know that KDE exists in the first place. So overall for this particular question I'm rather sceptical. Well I know all of that, but forums is the best we have. In a few weeks we we'll have the office ready to take random people from the street and ask them to do some test, but even there they won't be our userbase because... Who is our userbase? Cheerz. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Re: [RFC] New (QML) Desktop Containment
On Tuesday 11 December 2012 07:49:40 Kevin Ottens wrote: On Monday 10 December 2012 22:10:52 Marco Martin wrote: On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Alex Fiestas afies...@kde.org wrote: -What was the design decision/idea/thing behind cashew? It seems to me like a way of showing some actions that otherwise will be hidden (in the context menu), is that it? (cough, toolbox, cough) one tof the reasons is that the context menu can be removed by the user at any time, or repurposed to show something completely different Also these days, the toolbox is the main place where we show what the current activity is. If we ever decide to drop it we'll likely need think how to indicate that to the user. Oh, very good point. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Mono icons in systray
A Terça, 11 de Dezembro de 2012 10:06:36 você escreveu: Dear all, I noticed how the new air theme (which is just beautiful, btw) makes the mono icons in systray quite low-constrast; this is especially apparent with compositing turned off. they seam about the same here ... I started thinking about a sensible solution which would not require rebuilding all mono icons every time we change the default plasma theme; recalling some recent post on icon fonts, I wonder if switching to an icon font for monochrome plasma icons would provide us with a solution; in my opinion there are quite a number of advantages: Unless you are a realy good font designer that wil take care of the hinting instructions i dont see many... - the new air theme (and the whole design trend these days) is considerably “flatter” than the old ones; perhaps *really* flat mono icons could fit better than the current ones, with all these gradients and borders. agrea to some extent that we should get rid of the iner gradient in the icons. the border i sthere for contrast issue againts random backgroundsNote fonts suck in that way and we have to make the (imo) overdone blured background. Besides, one could in principle render fonts with a gradient and a border, as it is already done for the keyboard layout applet and the plasma digital clock. - hinting: fonts provide hinting informations for pixel-snapping on-screen rendering at small sizes (which are typically the ones used in systray). This does not make the icon pixel perfect, but possibly quite close to it. Manually hinting a font is quite painful, but after all we do not have too many icons to take care of… again do you know any font designer willing to do them? and what is the adgantage work wise in relation to svg's? you can do the same in svg's creting multiple svg's for multiple rendering sizes - subpixel antialiasing: subpixel antialiasing (for those who like it) would possibly make curves smoother so mono But with color pixels on the side right - coloring: icons can be colored in such a way to optimize contrast, this makes borders around shapes not necessary and help saving precious pixels but ofcourse the problem is that we dont have controll over the background color since that is tranparent Of course there are a few disadvantages: - things get more complicated with composite icons, (e.g. volume or battery), so we should cook out some reasonable way to define things such as svg groups for fonts - Learn to use a new tool (e.g. fontforge) to design such icons (altough we could obtain some help from Vernon Adams, who is designing the Oxygen font) Vernon is prety bussy right now and im trying to find out a way to bring him back to finish the font, expect some sort of oxygen fund raysing. My proposal is to create some sort of plasma icon service, which would create QIcons of the right size™ from a special font; this would be totally transparent to applets, exactly as it is done now with svg icons embedded in plasma themes. So I am asking, what are your opinions on this? Does this make sense to you? Do you think is it worth working in this direction? (I'm heading for 4.11, of course) Since it would just duplicate work, with no visible gain imo (with QT5 around the corner coloring an element in scenegraph is rader trivial, shaders for the win), I would abandon this idea. On the making the try icons mono yeah expect that soon... Thanks, Best __J ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: RFC: Application wide shortcuts in QML
On Friday, December 7, 2012 22:39:09 Mark wrote:
Hi,
I just made this blog post [1] and would like to see if i can include
this - quite handy - QML component in the KDE imports. I think it fits
quite nicely in the qtextracomponents import.
The syntax is as follows (in QML):
Shortcut {
key: Ctrl+C
onActivated: {
console.log(JS: + key + pressed.)
}
}
From discussions had recently with qt devs, this will likely be coming in Qt
5.1. I forget the exact API decided on (or if it has been decided on), but I'd
be Ok with it only if the API of this component was the same as the Qt5 API
will be so we don't have to maintain this API forever.
I'm also very hestitant to encourage plasmoids to implement app-wide key
shortcuts. Might be nice(r) to automatically require ctrl (so it would be
just: key: C) or some other modifier or even just disabled when in a shared-
space formfactor (vertical, horizontal, planar..); these need to be able to be
kept manageable so plasmoids don't capture the same shortcuts (easy when you
can have more than one instance of the plasmoid :)
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Re: RFC: Application wide shortcuts in QML
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Aaron J. Seigo ase...@kde.org wrote:
On Friday, December 7, 2012 22:39:09 Mark wrote:
Hi,
I just made this blog post [1] and would like to see if i can include
this - quite handy - QML component in the KDE imports. I think it fits
quite nicely in the qtextracomponents import.
The syntax is as follows (in QML):
Shortcut {
key: Ctrl+C
onActivated: {
console.log(JS: + key + pressed.)
}
}
From discussions had recently with qt devs, this will likely be coming in Qt
5.1. I forget the exact API decided on (or if it has been decided on), but I'd
be Ok with it only if the API of this component was the same as the Qt5 API
will be so we don't have to maintain this API forever.
I'm also very hestitant to encourage plasmoids to implement app-wide key
shortcuts. Might be nice(r) to automatically require ctrl (so it would be
just: key: C) or some other modifier or even just disabled when in a shared-
space formfactor (vertical, horizontal, planar..); these need to be able to be
kept manageable so plasmoids don't capture the same shortcuts (easy when you
can have more than one instance of the plasmoid :)
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Could you post a link to that Qt 5.1 api when you find it again? I did
a bit of searching, but nothing thus far.
As for limiting it's usage. In my case that would not work. I need F5
as well in my app so i'm guessing other app developers could have
the same requirement.
Perhaps it's better to just use this component as a desktop component
only? Is there any way to enforce that?
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Re: Mono icons in systray
On Tuesday 11 December 2012 12:13:11 you wrote: A Terça, 11 de Dezembro de 2012 10:06:36 você escreveu: Dear all, I noticed how the new air theme (which is just beautiful, btw) makes the mono icons in systray quite low-constrast; this is especially apparent with compositing turned off. they seam about the same here ... I am not sure, it looks like the panel is lighter than it used to be agrea to some extent that we should get rid of the iner gradient in the icons. the border i sthere for contrast issue againts random backgroundsNote fonts suck in that way and we have to make the (imo) overdone blured background. Yes, I understand the issue with random backgrounds, but I am referring to the non-composited case, where no transparency is taken into account. At least this case, and the composited case with the default wallpaper should be nicely contrasted. - hinting: fonts provide hinting informations for pixel-snapping on-screen rendering at small sizes (which are typically the ones used in systray). This does not make the icon pixel perfect, but possibly quite close to it. Manually hinting a font is quite painful, but after all we do not have too many icons to take care of… again do you know any font designer willing to do them? and what is the adgantage work wise in relation to svg's? you can do the same in svg's creting multiple svg's for multiple rendering sizes btw, why are we not using pngs in desktoptheme icons? - subpixel antialiasing: subpixel antialiasing (for those who like it) would possibly make curves smoother so mono But with color pixels on the side right It's a matter of taste; besides, if you see color fringing you should consider tweaking your subpixel filter (check out infinality) - coloring: icons can be colored in such a way to optimize contrast, this makes borders around shapes not necessary and help saving precious pixels but ofcourse the problem is that we dont have controll over the background color since that is tranparent That is why we should provide a way to set coloring of icons; after all if one chooses the same color for background and foreground, then his desktop is broken, but it is a user fault; otoh if the user cannot choose the foreground color… then it is not that clear. Since it would just duplicate work, with no visible gain imo (with QT5 around the corner coloring an element in scenegraph is rader trivial, shaders for the win)... That's excellent news! On the making the try icons mono yeah expect that soon... \me drools ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: [RFC] New (QML) Desktop Containment
On Monday 10 December 2012, Alex Fiestas wrote: (cough, toolbox, cough) one tof the reasons is that the context menu can be removed by the user at any time, or repurposed to show something completely different And of course given the windowed system we have, we need to show desktop to give the focus to the desktop. What are the other reasons for it? Not that it bothers me too much but people seem not to use it. Maybe we can get some feedback from the forums ? btw the work on the containment done has zero to do with the toolbox, they are two completely separedpieces of software... just to keep each topic where is due :p -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Mono icons in systray
On Tuesday 11 December 2012, Jacopo De Simoi wrote: Yes, I understand the issue with random backgrounds, but I am referring to the non-composited case, where no transparency is taken into account. At least this case, and the composited case with the default wallpaper should be nicely contrasted. probably black icons could be re-tried, not sure anyways i can make the non composited background darker again - hinting: fonts provide hinting informations for pixel-snapping on-screen rendering at small sizes (which are typically the ones used in systray). This does not make the icon pixel perfect, but possibly quite close to it. Manually hinting a font is quite painful, but after all we do not have too many icons to take care of… again do you know any font designer willing to do them? and what is the adgantage work wise in relation to svg's? you can do the same in svg's creting multiple svg's for multiple rendering sizes btw, why are we not using pngs in desktoptheme icons? * makes them come from the plasma theme, shouldn't have anything to do with the used icon theme * being scaled are not right, but yet are not the utter catastrophe scaled png icons are - subpixel antialiasing: subpixel antialiasing (for those who like it) would possibly make curves smoother so mono But with color pixels on the side right It's a matter of taste; besides, if you see color fringing you should consider tweaking your subpixel filter (check out infinality) maybe, but i hate this subpixel antialiasing is one of the things i hate more then pretty much anything, is a BIG no go for me -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Mono icons in systray
On Tuesday 11 December 2012, Jacopo De Simoi wrote: recalling some recent post on icon fonts, I wonder if switching to an icon font for monochrome plasma icons would provide us with a solution; in my opinion there are quite a number of advantages: using a font would basically raise the entry barrier of doing a new icon to plus infinite or so.. having hinting there would be very cool (the shape deformation to fit the grid, not the horrible color bleeding antialiasing abomination) however in reality fonts are just too hard to do, even just a copuple of symbols -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: [RFC] New (QML) Desktop Containment
On Monday 10 December 2012, Sebastian Kügler wrote: There are some tunables I would like to give you to try with, so it's easier to values that feel right. Those are grid size, delay, visibility and opacity of movement halo. I'll have a look at making these configurable for a test version so we have good defaults later. The idea tough is to just find defaults, those values won't be configurable in the final size. Cheers, to make it even more condensed (since the discussion derailed a bit on other topics, that even tough interesting, deserve a separate thread, for readability), basically the points touched, and in need of feedback are: * handles behavior: part of the global applet background, that grows on a side on mouseover: one visual element less if possible, makes less or more visual noise? has to be tested out * repositioning of applets according to a grid: ~40px size has been tested seems small enough, will be made configurable (*just in the testing phase* will be dpi based afterwards) * applet ghost behavior: it may be valuable information or maybe too noisy: also that will have tunable opacity (from 0) in test phase * is acceptable giving behavior configuration options in testing phase and taking them back afterwards? *even that* should be done carefully Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Re: [RFC] New (QML) Desktop Containment
On Tuesday 11 December 2012 21:11:22 Marco Martin wrote: On Monday 10 December 2012, Alex Fiestas wrote: (cough, toolbox, cough) one tof the reasons is that the context menu can be removed by the user at any time, or repurposed to show something completely different And of course given the windowed system we have, we need to show desktop to give the focus to the desktop. What are the other reasons for it? Not that it bothers me too much but people seem not to use it. Maybe we can get some feedback from the forums ? btw the work on the containment done has zero to do with the toolbox, they are two completely separedpieces of software... just to keep each topic where is due :p Sorry, I thought the toolbox was part of it :p ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: [RFC] New (QML) Desktop Containment
In data martedì 11 dicembre 2012 22:15:06, Marco Martin ha scritto: * is acceptable giving behavior configuration options in testing phase and taking them back afterwards? *even that* should be done carefully IMO depends on who the testing public is and how it is communicated. Posters in this ML would not complain, but outside that, I'm not sure. -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team KDE Science supporter GPG key ID: 6E1A4E79 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Review Request: Revert fix compilation with debian qjson
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[KDE Bugtracking System] REMINDER: current Plasma regressions
Please find below a list of the current regressions reported for Plasma. This is a weekly reminder. This search was scheduled by myr...@kde.org. Plasma regressions -- Bug 202336: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202336 Priority: NOR Severity: normal Platform: Gentoo Packages Assignee: plasma-b...@kde.org Status: NEW Summary: KRunner should launch default email application when providing an email address Bug 241685: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=241685 Priority: NOR Severity: crash Platform: Ubuntu Packages Assignee: plasma-b...@kde.org Status: REOPENED Summary: Random Plasma crashes [QGraphicsLayoutItem::isLayout , QGraphicsLayoutPrivate::activateRecursive] Bug 282552: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=282552 Priority: NOR Severity: crash Platform: openSUSE RPMs Assignee: plasma-b...@kde.org Status: REOPENED Summary: plasma desktop crash on add default panel Bug 290018: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290018 Priority: NOR Severity: normal Platform: Ubuntu Packages Assignee: plasma-b...@kde.org Status: REOPENED Summary: Add Widgets strip and Activity Manager no longer slide in Bug 301424: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301424 Priority: NOR Severity: normal Platform: openSUSE RPMs Assignee: plasma-b...@kde.org Status: NEW Summary: Cannot open battery monitor applet if set to hidden in systray Bug 302310: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302310 Priority: NOR Severity: normal Platform: Compiled Sources Assignee: plasma-b...@kde.org Status: REOPENED Summary: Does not reflect insert/removal of battery Bug 302331: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302331 Priority: NOR Severity: normal Platform: Ubuntu Packages Assignee: ignat.seme...@blue-systems.com Status: UNCONFIRMED Summary: Folderview does not show any to activity linked files Bug 307059: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307059 Priority: NOR Severity: normal Platform: Other Assignee: plasma-b...@kde.org Status: NEW Summary: tooltips in widget explorer don't show widget version anymore Bug 309787: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309787 Priority: NOR Severity: normal Platform: Ubuntu Packages Assignee: plasma-b...@kde.org Status: REOPENED Summary: Krunner does not execute program when press ENTER Bug 310762: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310762 Priority: NOR Severity: major Platform: Other Assignee: plasma-b...@kde.org Status: NEW Summary: Desktop icon plasmoid does not launch application anymore when they are unlocked. Bug 311339: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311339 Priority: NOR Severity: normal Platform: Other Assignee: notm...@gmail.com Status: NEW Summary: Empty notification popup when invoking notify-send Bug 311350: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311350 Priority: NOR Severity: normal Platform: Other Assignee: plasma-b...@kde.org Status: NEW Summary: System Tray widget has huge padding by default when added to the desktop Bug 311354: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311354 Priority: NOR Severity: normal Platform: Other Assignee: plasma-b...@kde.org Status: NEW Summary: System Tray widget can't be resized to fit all icons in one row when added to the desktop Bug 311491: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311491 Priority: NOR Severity: normal Platform: Fedora RPMs Assignee: plasma-b...@kde.org Status: NEW Summary: Battery Monitor widget disappears after one move of Screen Brightness slider Bug 311502: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311502 Priority: NOR Severity: normal Platform: Compiled Sources Assignee: plasma-b...@kde.org Status: NEW Summary: Tooltips leave rectangle in New Air theme Bug 311503: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311503 Priority: NOR Severity: normal Platform: Compiled Sources Assignee: plasma-b...@kde.org Status: NEW Summary: Scrollbar in Add Widgets almost invisible with new Air theme ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Plasma Media Center feature free tonight!
Hi! Just a reminder, PMC goes into a feature free tonight at 23:59 hours UTC[1]. If you have new features in a branch, or local clone, merge them with master already. Don't hesitate to ask if someone has a question/concern. Cheers, [1] http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Plasma_Media_Center/DecemberMeeting -- Shantanu Tushar(UTC +0530) http://www.shantanutushar.com ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Mono icons in systray
On Tuesday 11 December 2012 21:37:13 Marco Martin wrote: On Tuesday 11 December 2012, Jacopo De Simoi wrote: recalling some recent post on icon fonts, I wonder if switching to an icon font for monochrome plasma icons would provide us with a solution; in my opinion there are quite a number of advantages: using a font would basically raise the entry barrier of doing a new icon to plus infinite or so.. This seems to be a very sensible objection; I believe that inkscape can produce svg fonts, which can then be imported in fontforge and tweaked with hinting infos there. This is indeed a considerable overhead; perhaps then one could implement shape-rendering:crispEdges rendering in QtSvg; actually if the svg routines are shared with webkit, it could be that they are already implemented… having hinting there would be very cool (the shape deformation to fit the grid, not the horrible color bleeding antialiasing abomination) Allright, subpixel hinting is definitely not your favourite feature; I got your point :D Best, __J ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Mono icons in systray
This is indeed a considerable overhead; perhaps then one could implement shape-rendering:crispEdges rendering in QtSvg; actually if the svg routines are shared with webkit, it could be that they are already implemented… ok, this might be pure nonsense; I checked out the specs of what crispEdges does and it is not what I was expecting… Best, __J ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
