[Differential] [Commented On] D3769: expose immutable through dbus

[mvourlakos (Michail Vourlakos)]

mvourlakos added a comment.


  In https://phabricator.kde.org/D3769#70551, @davidedmundson wrote:
  
  > > why? isnt kwayland independent of plasmashell?
  >
  > Sort of.
  >
  > Wayland core protocols (by design) do not allow a window to position 
itself, as a security measure,
  >  Plasma needs to so, as you've pointed out KWayland contains a protocol to 
speak to kwin to move a window.
  >
  > However, if you let everyone do that, you defeat the entire security point. 
So the intention is to lock that protocol down to only being available to 
certain processes.
  >
  > However, your app could be one of those trusted processes.
  
  
  Thank u David,
  
  I will forward a request for information(policies, restrictions etc) to the 
kwin developers concerning that matter

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[Differential] [Commented On] D3769: expose immutable through dbus

[mvourlakos (Michail Vourlakos)]

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  I have responded in the mailing list into the topic "Is it possible to add a 
different panel implementation for plasma?" in order to justify more the design 
decision taken. We can continue there if you want to.
  
  I am not negative to reconsider and I am here to implement what you tell me 
it is needed inside plasma in order to solve any issues, but I would like some 
guidance from you. I dont think Now Dock's vision contradicts the Plasma's one 
but I think we can agree that plasma technology needs some small adjustments in 
order to serve better that spesific use case...

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[Differential] [Commented On] D3769: expose immutable through dbus

[mart (Marco Martin)]

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  In https://phabricator.kde.org/D3769#70547, @mvourlakos wrote:
  
  > > note that if it becomes an outside application there is no way it would 
ever work under wayland
  >
  > why?   isnt kwayland independent of plasmashell?
  
  
  the plasma wayland protocol, that has things like window positioning and lask 
listing is designed to be accessible to the process of plasma shell and plasma 
shell only, because of the security issues those features pone
  (on compositors different from kwin such as weston or the gnome shell, window 
positioning or task listing instead will not be available at all, in any way)

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[Differential] [Commented On] D3769: expose immutable through dbus

[mvourlakos (Michail Vourlakos)]

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  In https://phabricator.kde.org/D3769#70526, @mart wrote:
  
  > In https://phabricator.kde.org/D3769#70449, @mvourlakos wrote:
  >
  > > It's for Now Dock's next version, a discussion can be found here:
  > >  https://phabricator.kde.org/D3754 in next version Now Dock will be a Dock
  > >  outside plasmashell but I want the user to have a unified experience with
  > >  plasmashell. Unlocking widgets in plasma unlocks them also for my Dock 
and
  > >  in reverse...
  >
  >
  > note that if it becomes an outside application there is no way it would 
ever work under wayland
  
  
  why?   isnt kwayland independent of plasmashell?

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[Differential] [Commented On] D3769: expose immutable through dbus

[mart (Marco Martin)]

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  no, this kind of stuff should not be ever exported trough dbus

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[Differential] [Commented On] D3769: expose immutable through dbus

[mart (Marco Martin)]

mart added a comment.


  In https://phabricator.kde.org/D3769#70449, @mvourlakos wrote:
  
  > It's for Now Dock's next version, a discussion can be found here:
  >  https://phabricator.kde.org/D3754 in next version Now Dock will be a Dock
  >  outside plasmashell but I want the user to have a unified experience with
  >  plasmashell. Unlocking widgets in plasma unlocks them also for my Dock and
  >  in reverse...
  
  
  note that if it becomes an outside application there is no way it would ever 
work under wayland

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Re: [Differential] [Commented On] D3769: expose immutable through dbus

[Michail Vourlakos]

It's for Now Dock's next version, a discussion can be found here:
https://phabricator.kde.org/D3754 in next version Now Dock will be a Dock
outside plasmashell but I want the user to have a unified experience with
plasmashell. Unlocking widgets in plasma unlocks them also for my Dock and
in reverse...

Στις 21 Δεκ 2016 01:18, ο χρήστης "apol (Aleix Pol Gonzalez)" <
nore...@phabricator.kde.org> έγραψε:

> apol added a comment. View Revision 
>
> It's a bit scary that applications can randomly change this state, no?
> What's the use-case?
>
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[Differential] [Commented On] D3769: expose immutable through dbus

[apol (Aleix Pol Gonzalez)]

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  It's a bit scary that applications can randomly change this state, no? What's 
the use-case?

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