D25773: [Applets/Task Manager] Add pinned filemanager and browser apps by default

[Nathaniel Graham]

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  Abandoning in favor of, D27845: Replace Task Manager with Icons-Only-Task 
Manager in the default panel, and thicken it 
, after further discussion in T12441 
.

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D25773: [Applets/Task Manager] Add pinned filemanager and browser apps by default

[Nathaniel Graham]

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  Heh, you asked for it! :)
  
  T12441: Consider using a vertical Icons-Only Task Manager populated with apps 
by default 

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[Eike Hein]

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  It's definitely a discussion I'd enjoy more :)

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D25773: [Applets/Task Manager] Add pinned filemanager and browser apps by default

[Nathaniel Graham]

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  Well, I don't wanna hasten our demise under the crushing weight of bloat, and 
I can appreciate your voice of wisdom. :) So I'll hit the pause button and 
continue the discussion.
  
  Now that I think about it, if I step back and examine my motivations for 
this, it's that I think we should use an Icons-Only Task Manager by default, 
and IOTMs make sense to pre-populate with apps (as proposed here), because 
they're basically app launchers. IOTMs (or at least the local equivalent) are 
now shipped by default in Windows, macOS, ChromeOS, Ubuntu's GNOME flavor, and 
every mobile OS. The last major OS to ship a Traditional Task Manager was 
Windows Vista 10 years ago.
  
  People are used to IOTMs at this point, and everyone else switched to them 
years ago because they're better for the common normal-user use cases of 
launching apps and switching between a small number of single-window apps than 
the now-increasingly-less-common use case of switching between a large number 
of windows many of which belong to the same app. People like us who still have 
that use case can always switch back to a TTM in three clicks.
  
  If we use an IOTM by default, we can double the panel thickness and put it on 
the left screen edge, with the positive side effect of being a touch-friendly 
launcher and app switcher for the convertible use case without needing to 
change the UI at all. I keep noticing people (you and I included) naturally 
gravitating to this panel setup, and I think it makes a lot of sense as a 
better default for 2020.
  
  Maybe it's time to have that conversation instead of pushing half-measures 
like this patch.

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D25773: [Applets/Task Manager] Add pinned filemanager and browser apps by default

[Eike Hein]

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  Ah sorry, I had a reply typed into the text field but must have botched 
hitting Submit.
  
  Personally, I'm not a fan - I think there's a bad trend of us overstuffing 
the default panel now like we're looking out of "what more can we add ..." out 
of idleness. I predict we'll remove things like this and the Show Desktop 
applet again, when the next collapsing-under-its-own-weight cycle inevitably 
hits. To speed that along I'll accept ;)

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[Nathaniel Graham]

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  @hein ping. Other folks seem to like this, but I don't want to move ahead 
without your approval since you're the maintainer. Maybe we can discuss it some 
more?

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[Kai Uwe Broulik]

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  1. Windows has those entries by default and they probably know what they're 
doing
  2. It introduces the user to the fact that you can actually pin apps to the 
task bar

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[Nathaniel Graham]

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  I guess it depends on whether you see pinned apps as clutter. Personally, I 
think these are useful, especially for less experienced users. And we have 
anecdotal evidence that experienced users (e.g. us) add these to their task 
managers manually. So I don't think this would harm anyone.

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[Eike Hein]

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  I don't really understand why the panel being bare by default is a problem. 
Isn't it nicer when users don't have to opt out of clutter like this?

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  I personally prefer file manager, web browser for the order.

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[Filip Fila]

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  +1 from me as well for the reasons listed in the commit message

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[Kai Uwe Broulik]

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  +1! I remember seeing this in Plasma 4 times and also always pin those two on 
my setup.
  Windows has browser first, then file manager. I don't really mind either 
order, though.

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D25773: [Applets/Task Manager] Add pinned filemanager and browser apps by default

[Nathaniel Graham]

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REVISION SUMMARY
  The default panel is quite bare and does not do an amazing job of exposing 
the fact
  that you can pin apps to it.
  
  This patch addresses both issues by pinning the default filemanager and web 
browser to
  the task manager by default. Other potentials are System Settings and 
Discover, but I
  didn't want to over-clutter this patch.
  
  As a point of comparison, back when Windows still used a non-icons-only task 
manager, it
  shipped with pinned apps like this.

TEST PLAN
  Create and log into a new user account or else move aside
  `/home/nate/.config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc` and restart 
Plasma
  
  F7800885: apps by default.png 

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