Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions?
Yes, I botched the communication on this, my apologies about that. Voting has now been disabled on Bugzilla. We are investigating ways to make the CC count affect the bug janitor's automatic priority categorization in its stead. Nate On 9/3/23 15:45, Elvis Stansvik wrote: I noticed today that my votes on some bugs had been removed. Visiting the bugs I see there's no longer any way to vote. So I guess as a result of this discussion, voting was disabled on some products? No problem with me, but would have been nice with some sort of announcement (sorry if I missed it!) Elvis Den fre 4 aug. 2023 kl 23:55 skrev Harald Sitter : Never looked at them. Never seen the benefit. On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 3:53 PM Nate Graham wrote: Hello folks! I often find myself explaining to users that votes on Bugzilla tickets are generally meaningless and not used by most developers to help prioritize work. After I explain this, they generally express surprise, as it's not obvious. I find myself wondering whether it would make sense to disable the voting feature by default to avoid giving our users this false impression. So if you *do* take user votes into consideration when determining what tickets to prioritize, I'd like to hear from you! Nate
Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions?
El diumenge, 3 de setembre de 2023, a les 23:45:50 (CEST), Elvis Stansvik va escriure: > I noticed today that my votes on some bugs had been removed. Visiting > the bugs I see there's no longer any way to vote. > > So I guess as a result of this discussion, voting was disabled on some > products? > > No problem with me, but would have been nice with some sort of > announcement (sorry if I missed it!) I'm with Elvis. Why were votes removed? Or was this a mistake? The discussion here was IMO not conclusive. And even if it was, it needs to be announced before it happens. Otherwise we have 0 knowledge of what's going on and have no way to answer our users when they start complaining of why the votes are gone. Albert > > Elvis > > Den fre 4 aug. 2023 kl 23:55 skrev Harald Sitter : > > Never looked at them. Never seen the benefit. > > > > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 3:53 PM Nate Graham wrote: > > > Hello folks! > > > > > > I often find myself explaining to users that votes on Bugzilla tickets > > > are generally meaningless and not used by most developers to help > > > prioritize work. After I explain this, they generally express surprise, > > > as it's not obvious. > > > > > > I find myself wondering whether it would make sense to disable the > > > voting feature by default to avoid giving our users this false > > > impression. > > > > > > So if you *do* take user votes into consideration when determining what > > > tickets to prioritize, I'd like to hear from you! > > > > > > > > > Nate
Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions?
I noticed today that my votes on some bugs had been removed. Visiting the bugs I see there's no longer any way to vote. So I guess as a result of this discussion, voting was disabled on some products? No problem with me, but would have been nice with some sort of announcement (sorry if I missed it!) Elvis Den fre 4 aug. 2023 kl 23:55 skrev Harald Sitter : > > Never looked at them. Never seen the benefit. > > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 3:53 PM Nate Graham wrote: > > > > Hello folks! > > > > I often find myself explaining to users that votes on Bugzilla tickets > > are generally meaningless and not used by most developers to help > > prioritize work. After I explain this, they generally express surprise, > > as it's not obvious. > > > > I find myself wondering whether it would make sense to disable the > > voting feature by default to avoid giving our users this false impression. > > > > So if you *do* take user votes into consideration when determining what > > tickets to prioritize, I'd like to hear from you! > > > > > > Nate
Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions?
Natalie Clarius - 05.08.23, 17:57:00 CEST: > I find it a useful indication of how common an issue really is and > hence how important it is to solve, and am surprised that some would > not. How else are users supposed to express that a bug affects them, > without creating duplicates and "me too" comments which I as a > submitter would think of as spammy? As (almost entirely) a user of KDE who did quite a bit of reporting of bugs himself I can relate to that. A duplicate shows that a user probably did not search enough whether their bug is already reported. So I wonder how a duplicate would be a better indicator than a vote, cause how is a user who finds the original bug supposed to indicate they are affected as well? By a comment? On the other side requiring a comment for a vote might be a good idea as a vote can basically mean anything of the following: 1. I am affected by this bug. 2. I am not affected but would be cool to have it fixed. 3. I am just voting anyway just out of fun or cause I can. 4. Maybe something else I did not think of. Or maybe it would be a good idea to use votes only for the first reason to get a measure of how many users are affected. I think it could be interesting to learn whether a bug is a corner case or affects many users without having a ton of comments that basically all say the same. That would require putting some explanation what votes are meant for at the place where the voting happens. Or rename "vote" to "I am affected as well" or something like that. However if in practice voting numbers are found to by meaning less, then it would be good to do away with voting, unless a clarification what a vote is meant for helps. But I am not sure how accurate they are. Do votes actually give a good indication of how wide spread a bug is or are they more or less bogus? You, Natalie, find them a useful indication. How about others? Are there ways to make votes more useful even? Just as an invitation to think beyond a binary yes/no answer to the question in the subject: "Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions?" Best, -- Martin
Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions?
I find it a useful indication of how common an issue really is and hence how important it is to solve, and am surprised that some would not. How else are users supposed to express that a bug affects them, without creating duplicates and "me too" comments which I as a submitter would think of as spammy? Am Samstag, 5. August 2023 um 13:00:24 MESZ hat Folgendes geschrieben: Send Plasma-devel mailing list submissions to plasma-devel@kde.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to plasma-devel-requ...@kde.org You can reach the person managing the list at plasma-devel-ow...@kde.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Plasma-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? (Nate Graham) 2. Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? (Fusion Future) 3. Plasma plasma-desktop 5.27.7.1 update (Jonathan Riddell) 4. Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? (Harald Sitter) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 07:52:36 -0600 From: Nate Graham To: kde-devel , Plasma Subject: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Hello folks! I often find myself explaining to users that votes on Bugzilla tickets are generally meaningless and not used by most developers to help prioritize work. After I explain this, they generally express surprise, as it's not obvious. I find myself wondering whether it would make sense to disable the voting feature by default to avoid giving our users this false impression. So if you *do* take user votes into consideration when determining what tickets to prioritize, I'd like to hear from you! Nate -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 21:57:16 +0800 From: Fusion Future To: Nate Graham , kde-devel , Plasma Subject: Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? Message-ID: <157fcc1b-c3d6-40b7-aa44-d05baa0ea...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed I do vote on Bugzilla, but given the limited development resource, I find vote less useful than the number of duplicates or CCs. -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 15:42:45 +0100 From: Jonathan Riddell To: kde-annou...@kde.org, KDE release coordination , plasma-devel Subject: Plasma plasma-desktop 5.27.7.1 update Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" plasma-desktop now has plasma-desktop-5.27.7.1 tar available to download for packaging sha256sum: 51626674ce4324ac424fded716862da967e6b33a898108b49fa27a7896d1bec2 Git commit: d9f39abdb402a81465dca79c791a229778e97efb https://kde.org/info/plasma-5.27.7/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/attachments/20230804/4d07705f/attachment-0001.htm> -- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 23:55:26 +0200 From: Harald Sitter To: kde-devel Cc: Plasma Subject: Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Never looked at them. Never seen the benefit. On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 3:53 PM Nate Graham wrote: > > Hello folks! > > I often find myself explaining to users that votes on Bugzilla tickets > are generally meaningless and not used by most developers to help > prioritize work. After I explain this, they generally express surprise, > as it's not obvious. > > I find myself wondering whether it would make sense to disable the > voting feature by default to avoid giving our users this false impression. > > So if you *do* take user votes into consideration when determining what > tickets to prioritize, I'd like to hear from you! > > > Nate -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel -- End of Plasma-devel Digest, Vol 182, Issue 4
Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions?
Looks like my first message didn't make it into the list yet, this was in response to my: > I find it a useful indication of how common an issue really is and hence how > important it is to solve, and am surprised that some would not. How else are > users supposed to express that a bug affects them, without creating > duplicates and "me too" comments which I as a submitter would think of as > spammy? Re. "I am an adult, I can set my own priorities"; I can see how that rationale applies to contributors who do this for fun, but at least as far as I'm concerned, I want an objective indication of what tasks have priority, and minimum number of peope affected as indicated by votes is one such measure. Am Samstag, 5. August 2023 um 20:00:13 MESZ hat Natalie Clarius Folgendes geschrieben: OTOH, if the reality is that many developers don't and won't consider votes, it may be better to turn the feature off after all to indicate that it has no value and users are expected to duplicate reports if they want their feedback to be considered. Am Samstag, 5. August 2023 um 13:00:24 MESZ hat plasma-devel-requ...@kde.org Folgendes geschrieben: Send Plasma-devel mailing list submissions to plasma-devel@kde.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to plasma-devel-requ...@kde.org You can reach the person managing the list at plasma-devel-ow...@kde.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Plasma-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? (Nate Graham) 2. Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? (Fusion Future) 3. Plasma plasma-desktop 5.27.7.1 update (Jonathan Riddell) 4. Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? (Harald Sitter) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 07:52:36 -0600 From: Nate Graham To: kde-devel , Plasma Subject: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Hello folks! I often find myself explaining to users that votes on Bugzilla tickets are generally meaningless and not used by most developers to help prioritize work. After I explain this, they generally express surprise, as it's not obvious. I find myself wondering whether it would make sense to disable the voting feature by default to avoid giving our users this false impression. So if you *do* take user votes into consideration when determining what tickets to prioritize, I'd like to hear from you! Nate -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 21:57:16 +0800 From: Fusion Future To: Nate Graham , kde-devel , Plasma Subject: Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? Message-ID: <157fcc1b-c3d6-40b7-aa44-d05baa0ea...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed I do vote on Bugzilla, but given the limited development resource, I find vote less useful than the number of duplicates or CCs. -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 15:42:45 +0100 From: Jonathan Riddell To: kde-annou...@kde.org, KDE release coordination , plasma-devel Subject: Plasma plasma-desktop 5.27.7.1 update Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" plasma-desktop now has plasma-desktop-5.27.7.1 tar available to download for packaging sha256sum: 51626674ce4324ac424fded716862da967e6b33a898108b49fa27a7896d1bec2 Git commit: d9f39abdb402a81465dca79c791a229778e97efb https://kde.org/info/plasma-5.27.7/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/attachments/20230804/4d07705f/attachment-0001.htm> -- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 23:55:26 +0200 From: Harald Sitter To: kde-devel Cc: Plasma Subject: Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Never looked at them. Never seen the benefit. On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 3:53 PM Nate Graham wrote: > > Hello folks! > > I often find myself explaining to users that votes on Bugzilla tickets > are generally meaningless and not used by most developers to help > prioritize work. After I explain this, they generally express surprise, > as it's not obvious. > > I find myself wondering whether it would make sense to disable the > voting feature by default to avoid giving our users this false impression. > > So if you *do* take user votes into consideration when determining what
Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions?
OTOH, if the reality is that many developers don't and won't consider votes, it may be better to turn the feature off after all to indicate that it has no value and users are expected to duplicate reports if they want their feedback to be considered. Am Samstag, 5. August 2023 um 13:00:24 MESZ hat plasma-devel-requ...@kde.org Folgendes geschrieben: Send Plasma-devel mailing list submissions to plasma-devel@kde.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to plasma-devel-requ...@kde.org You can reach the person managing the list at plasma-devel-ow...@kde.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Plasma-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? (Nate Graham) 2. Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? (Fusion Future) 3. Plasma plasma-desktop 5.27.7.1 update (Jonathan Riddell) 4. Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? (Harald Sitter) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 07:52:36 -0600 From: Nate Graham To: kde-devel , Plasma Subject: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Hello folks! I often find myself explaining to users that votes on Bugzilla tickets are generally meaningless and not used by most developers to help prioritize work. After I explain this, they generally express surprise, as it's not obvious. I find myself wondering whether it would make sense to disable the voting feature by default to avoid giving our users this false impression. So if you *do* take user votes into consideration when determining what tickets to prioritize, I'd like to hear from you! Nate -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 21:57:16 +0800 From: Fusion Future To: Nate Graham , kde-devel , Plasma Subject: Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? Message-ID: <157fcc1b-c3d6-40b7-aa44-d05baa0ea...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed I do vote on Bugzilla, but given the limited development resource, I find vote less useful than the number of duplicates or CCs. -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 15:42:45 +0100 From: Jonathan Riddell To: kde-annou...@kde.org, KDE release coordination , plasma-devel Subject: Plasma plasma-desktop 5.27.7.1 update Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" plasma-desktop now has plasma-desktop-5.27.7.1 tar available to download for packaging sha256sum: 51626674ce4324ac424fded716862da967e6b33a898108b49fa27a7896d1bec2 Git commit: d9f39abdb402a81465dca79c791a229778e97efb https://kde.org/info/plasma-5.27.7/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/attachments/20230804/4d07705f/attachment-0001.htm> -- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 23:55:26 +0200 From: Harald Sitter To: kde-devel Cc: Plasma Subject: Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Never looked at them. Never seen the benefit. On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 3:53 PM Nate Graham wrote: > > Hello folks! > > I often find myself explaining to users that votes on Bugzilla tickets > are generally meaningless and not used by most developers to help > prioritize work. After I explain this, they generally express surprise, > as it's not obvious. > > I find myself wondering whether it would make sense to disable the > voting feature by default to avoid giving our users this false impression. > > So if you *do* take user votes into consideration when determining what > tickets to prioritize, I'd like to hear from you! > > > Nate -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel -- End of Plasma-devel Digest, Vol 182, Issue 4
Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions?
Never looked at them. Never seen the benefit. On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 3:53 PM Nate Graham wrote: > > Hello folks! > > I often find myself explaining to users that votes on Bugzilla tickets > are generally meaningless and not used by most developers to help > prioritize work. After I explain this, they generally express surprise, > as it's not obvious. > > I find myself wondering whether it would make sense to disable the > voting feature by default to avoid giving our users this false impression. > > So if you *do* take user votes into consideration when determining what > tickets to prioritize, I'd like to hear from you! > > > Nate
Re: Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions?
I do vote on Bugzilla, but given the limited development resource, I find vote less useful than the number of duplicates or CCs.
Do you use votes on Bugzilla tickets to help you make decisions?
Hello folks! I often find myself explaining to users that votes on Bugzilla tickets are generally meaningless and not used by most developers to help prioritize work. After I explain this, they generally express surprise, as it's not obvious. I find myself wondering whether it would make sense to disable the voting feature by default to avoid giving our users this false impression. So if you *do* take user votes into consideration when determining what tickets to prioritize, I'd like to hear from you! Nate
