Re: [Framework-Team] FWT meeting attendance stats
On 07/04/2014 06:55 PM, Nathan Van Gheem wrote: On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Giacomo Spettoli giacomo.spett...@gmail.com mailto:giacomo.spett...@gmail.com wrote: While we can all agree that Rok as made a good job so far, I think we have to fully realize what he just said: the main author of the front-end of plone5 is leaving the project! This is even more dangerous since the front-end should have been (and maybe will be) the shimmering thing to attract once more new customers to Plone. We ended up in this shitty situation since we, as a community, made the big mistake of putting all our energy on just very few people. How is this avoided though? Do we just not do the work? Rok did everything he could to get more people involved--just not much interest. Or if there was, that interest wasn't sustained. This is not a technical problem, the FWT cannot fix it. It's more of a management matter. But...I wrote the original mail on Friday so I was polemic pointlessly. This said, I think that all the FWT members that consider them self still active should really try hard to be online this Tuesday to discuss the plan to reach p5. Here some questions that need an answer: - What do we do now? How can we organize the work for not being stuck in this situation again? FWIW, I'll be taking ownership of mockup... Excellent! - how much man power do we have? Should we continue based on the volunteers' effort only or should we try to involve more the companies that may have the strength to finish this? - Should we collect all the info and try to finish mockup? or should we start from scratch basing our effort on the latest best frameworks (Angular, React...xyz) I'm sorry, but the idea of starting from scratch here seems ridiculous. Some of mockup uses React. Mockup isn't forcing the use of any particular js tech necessarily. Me too I think there's no time for starting from scratch obviously. And it would be a waste of energy/money. My intent was to put all the options on the table and so I was being provocative on purpose ;) We're not that far off. Ramon and I are organizing a sprint around the idea of finishing up mockup integration with plone. Nice, so the meeting of tomorrow will be a perfect occasion to collect all the needs and see if somebody else can jump in and help you two. For example, at the time, I already offered my help for improving the documentation and make it fit into the current doc base. - should we involve the board in this discussion? (I think yes, definitely!) Hope to see all of you guys online thuesday to discuss all this :) I'll be on. Perfect, thanks! cheers, Giacomo cheers, Giacomo On 06/24/2014 07:14 PM, Roel Bruggink wrote: Thank you for everything so far, Rok. Come join us for some beer if you are in the Netherlands again! ;) -Roel On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Rok Garbas r...@garbas.si mailto:r...@garbas.si wrote: hi guys, last month i've been unactive since i was on a quest to learn surfing (some call this vacation). with july i'm starting to work in berlin in a position which does not involve any plone development, therefore i would like to step down as a framework team member since i will have very little or no time for plone in comming year. thank you for all the patience you had with me. -- Rok Garbas - http://www.garbas.si ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org mailto:framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Roel Bruggink http://www.fourdigits.nl/mensen/roel-bruggink Four Digits BV http://www.fourdigits.nl http://www.fourdigits.nl/tel: +31(0)26 4422700 -- Giacomo Spettoli Twitter:http://twitter.com/giacomospettoli LinkedIn:http://linkedin.com/in/giacomospettoli ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org mailto:framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp -- Giacomo Spettoli Twitter: http://twitter.com/giacomospettoli LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/giacomospettoli ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] FWT meeting attendance stats
When I wrote the email, I forgot I might be on jury duty that day--there is a possibility I won't be able to make it to the meeting :( On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 3:28 AM, Giacomo Spettoli giacomo.spett...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/04/2014 06:55 PM, Nathan Van Gheem wrote: On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Giacomo Spettoli giacomo.spett...@gmail.com wrote: While we can all agree that Rok as made a good job so far, I think we have to fully realize what he just said: the main author of the front-end of plone5 is leaving the project! This is even more dangerous since the front-end should have been (and maybe will be) the shimmering thing to attract once more new customers to Plone. We ended up in this shitty situation since we, as a community, made the big mistake of putting all our energy on just very few people. How is this avoided though? Do we just not do the work? Rok did everything he could to get more people involved--just not much interest. Or if there was, that interest wasn't sustained. This is not a technical problem, the FWT cannot fix it. It's more of a management matter. But...I wrote the original mail on Friday so I was polemic pointlessly. This said, I think that all the FWT members that consider them self still active should really try hard to be online this Tuesday to discuss the plan to reach p5. Here some questions that need an answer: - What do we do now? How can we organize the work for not being stuck in this situation again? FWIW, I'll be taking ownership of mockup... Excellent! - how much man power do we have? Should we continue based on the volunteers' effort only or should we try to involve more the companies that may have the strength to finish this? - Should we collect all the info and try to finish mockup? or should we start from scratch basing our effort on the latest best frameworks (Angular, React...xyz) I'm sorry, but the idea of starting from scratch here seems ridiculous. Some of mockup uses React. Mockup isn't forcing the use of any particular js tech necessarily. Me too I think there's no time for starting from scratch obviously. And it would be a waste of energy/money. My intent was to put all the options on the table and so I was being provocative on purpose ;) We're not that far off. Ramon and I are organizing a sprint around the idea of finishing up mockup integration with plone. Nice, so the meeting of tomorrow will be a perfect occasion to collect all the needs and see if somebody else can jump in and help you two. For example, at the time, I already offered my help for improving the documentation and make it fit into the current doc base. - should we involve the board in this discussion? (I think yes, definitely!) Hope to see all of you guys online thuesday to discuss all this :) I'll be on. Perfect, thanks! cheers, Giacomo cheers, Giacomo On 06/24/2014 07:14 PM, Roel Bruggink wrote: Thank you for everything so far, Rok. Come join us for some beer if you are in the Netherlands again! ;) -Roel On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Rok Garbas r...@garbas.si wrote: hi guys, last month i've been unactive since i was on a quest to learn surfing (some call this vacation). with july i'm starting to work in berlin in a position which does not involve any plone development, therefore i would like to step down as a framework team member since i will have very little or no time for plone in comming year. thank you for all the patience you had with me. -- Rok Garbas - http://www.garbas.si ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Roel Bruggink http://www.fourdigits.nl/mensen/roel-bruggink Four Digits BV http://www.fourdigits.nl tel: +31(0)26 4422700 -- Giacomo Spettoli Twitter: http://twitter.com/giacomospettoli LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/giacomospettoli ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp -- Giacomo Spettoli Twitter: http://twitter.com/giacomospettoli LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/giacomospettoli -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] FWT meeting attendance stats
While we can all agree that Rok as made a good job so far, I think we have to fully realize what he just said: the main author of the front-end of plone5 is leaving the project! This is even more dangerous since the front-end should have been (and maybe will be) the shimmering thing to attract once more new customers to Plone. We ended up in this shitty situation since we, as a community, made the big mistake of putting all our energy on just very few people. This said, I think that all the FWT members that consider them self still active should really try hard to be online this Tuesday to discuss the plan to reach p5. Here some questions that need an answer: - What do we do now? How can we organize the work for not being stuck in this situation again? - how much man power do we have? Should we continue based on the volunteers' effort only or should we try to involve more the companies that may have the strength to finish this? - Should we collect all the info and try to finish mockup? or should we start from scratch basing our effort on the latest best frameworks (Angular, React...xyz) - should we involve the board in this discussion? (I think yes, definitely!) Hope to see all of you guys online thuesday to discuss all this :) cheers, Giacomo On 06/24/2014 07:14 PM, Roel Bruggink wrote: Thank you for everything so far, Rok. Come join us for some beer if you are in the Netherlands again! ;) -Roel On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Rok Garbas r...@garbas.si mailto:r...@garbas.si wrote: hi guys, last month i've been unactive since i was on a quest to learn surfing (some call this vacation). with july i'm starting to work in berlin in a position which does not involve any plone development, therefore i would like to step down as a framework team member since i will have very little or no time for plone in comming year. thank you for all the patience you had with me. -- Rok Garbas - http://www.garbas.si ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org mailto:framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Roel Bruggink http://www.fourdigits.nl/mensen/roel-bruggink Four Digits BV http://www.fourdigits.nl http://www.fourdigits.nl/tel: +31(0)26 4422700 -- Giacomo Spettoli Twitter: http://twitter.com/giacomospettoli LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/giacomospettoli ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] FWT meeting attendance stats
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014, at 10:58 PM, Rok Garbas wrote: hi guys, last month i've been unactive since i was on a quest to learn surfing (some call this vacation). with july i'm starting to work in berlin in a position which does not involve any plone development, therefore i would like to step down as a framework team member since i will have very little or no time for plone in comming year. thank you for all the patience you had with me. Thanks for everything you've done for us. You've had a major influence on Plone 5 and we're all grateful. Don't be a stranger. Eric ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] FWT meeting attendance stats
Thank you for everything so far, Rok. Come join us for some beer if you are in the Netherlands again! ;) -Roel On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Rok Garbas r...@garbas.si wrote: hi guys, last month i've been unactive since i was on a quest to learn surfing (some call this vacation). with july i'm starting to work in berlin in a position which does not involve any plone development, therefore i would like to step down as a framework team member since i will have very little or no time for plone in comming year. thank you for all the patience you had with me. -- Rok Garbas - http://www.garbas.si ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Roel Bruggink http://www.fourdigits.nl/mensen/roel-bruggink Four Digits BV http://www.fourdigits.nl tel: +31(0)26 4422700 ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] FWT meeting attendance stats
Hi all, it seems my attendance ratio is quite low, sorry for that (I thought I participated more ;-) Nevertheless I will add some comments. I have had an impression that some of the meetings I've attended were not very productive (ie. when there were no new PLIPs or sprints on the horizon). That's why the idea of scheduling them once a month seems reasonable to me. Finally, about the meeting time (I already asked few months ago, I will ask again) - is there any chance to change it to an earlier one? Like http://everytimezone.com/#2014-7-1,240,cn3 (16:00 UTC). Andrew ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] FWT meeting attendance stats
Hey, seeing my poor participation, maybe I should step down and give others the chance to join in the FWT. Or does someone have a strong opinion on why I should stay in? cheers, z. On 18. jun. 2014, at 18:42, Andrew Mleczko andrzej.mlec...@redturtle.it wrote: Hi all, it seems my attendance ratio is quite low, sorry for that (I thought I participated more ;-) Nevertheless I will add some comments. I have had an impression that some of the meetings I've attended were not very productive (ie. when there were no new PLIPs or sprints on the horizon). That's why the idea of scheduling them once a month seems reasonable to me. Finally, about the meeting time (I already asked few months ago, I will ask again) - is there any chance to change it to an earlier one? Like http://everytimezone.com/#2014-7-1,240,cn3 (16:00 UTC). Andrew ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team Nejc Zupan M: +386 (0)40 730 735 E: nejc.zu...@gmail.com www.niteoweb.com | www.mladipodjetnik.si | www.eestec.net ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
