Re: [PLUG] Xmodmap not automatically loading when X starts

[Garrett Bigart]

Huh, I've been having the same problem but turning off middle click
pasting. I have to save it to make it start working again which usually
involves adding a space to the end and saving it.


On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

>I've had this issue on portables for years and have not yet found a
> working solution. On each host I have the file ~/.Xmodmap (which swaps the
> left cap lock and control keys). In ~/.bash_profile is the command,
> xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap.
>
>This does not work on the current or prior portables (except the Dell
> Latitude E5410). After starting Xfce4 I need to manually enter this
> command.
> There also are system files that supposedly direct the system to read
> .Xmodmap, but nothing is working.
>
>Has anyone fixed this problem? I'd really like to find where to put the
> xmodmap command so it is applied to all virtual terminals when Xfce4 is
> running.
>
> Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Suggestions for featherweight laptop

[Dave Lien - W7DAL]

Thanks for the help Tom. Looks to me that the new 14" model for an extra 
$20 is the same except for screen size so I'm leaning that way. The 
weight still comes in around 3 lbs. :-D.

Keep cool.

-Dave



On 9/4/2017 2:54 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
> I have it as general use shared laptop for the kids, anyone. Got it new
> about 2 years ago for $199 new. It is light, surprisingly well constructed,
> it has no fan, 2xUSB, HDMI and SD card slot. It lasts about 8 hours on
> battery.
>
>   The new/latest version has 4GB RAM and faster WiFi which would be nice,
> but it is good enough for browsing, Netflix, basic stuff.
>
> Note: It comes in funny blue color only. I do not believe that it is
> upgradable beyond plugging stuff to USB ports, or SD card. It is the only
> laptop I have not opened.
>
> It survived a lot of abuse, fully drained batteries, lot of car/plane
> travel, sticky fingers,  Don't get me started!
>
> I run stock Ubuntu on it, currently 16.04
>
> I like it and would buy it again for this purpose.
>
> Tomas
>
> On Sep 4, 2017 1:17 PM, "Dave Lien - W7DAL"  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Tom. I think you found the sweet spot with the HP Stream 11. No
> problem here giving up dual-boot. I'd rather have a good dedicated
> inexpensive lightweight RELIABLE Linux portable that has current
> hardware and will be good for a few years.
>
> If you have had a good experience with the HP Stream 11 as a dedicated
> no-hassle Linux machine I'm tempted to go with it. WalMart has them from
> ~$135 as does NewEgg for refurbs. What specific model have you had good
> luck with? I see there are many variations at different prices...?
>
> Any model to avoid?
>
> I presume it will boot USB and external USB DVD drive.
>
> And finally, is there any magic I need to know about when installing
> MINT and overwriting Windows and other crapware? I see some people have
> had problems installing MINT. (But I'll settle for any decent version of
> Linux.)
>
> -Dave
>
>
> On 9/4/2017 11:58 AM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
>> If you decide to go for used thikpad X2x0 laptop. I cannot recommend
>> anything older than x220/x230 for many reasons - performance, power
>> consumption, too old architecture and age (you would be buying almost 10
>> years old laptop).
>>
>> In used Thinkpads, there is pretty awesome selection on Newegg Outlet.
>> Example for 2 years old x250:
>> https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE=0=
> BESTMATCH=X250=0=-1=1
>> You could get refurbished x250 for about $350 and over time upgrade RAM
> and
>> replace hard drive with SSD. You should be able to get at least 3 more
>> years out of that laptop.
>>
>> For new item in around $200 - you can look into HP Stream 11. It works
>> great with Linux and it is sturdy with good battery life. However it
>> doesn't have enough storage to run both Linux and windows, and it is not
>> upgradable. The only way to add storage is to use SD card or USB stick.
>>
>> For $200 and decent hardware, you will have to make significant
> compromises
>> unless you give up Windows or Linux.
>>
>> Tomas
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2017 10:34 AM, "Chuck Hast"  wrote:
>>
>> I have dualbooted the X200 with both Linux and Win7 pro. Worked quite well
>> but I prefer to load it up with RAM and run windows in a VM, works better
> in
>> my view.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Rich Shepard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 4 Sep 2017, Dave Lien - W7DAL wrote:
>>>
 Does the ThinkPad X200 dual-boot Linux OK for you?  Dave.
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>>  I've no idea as I run only linux on it; haven't done M$ in 20 years
>>> now. A
>>> web search might find the answer for you.
>>>
>>>  If you'll allow a suggestion, replace the existing hard drive with a
>>> large
>>> Samsung SSD, install linux and use qemu to build a virtual machine. Then
>>> you
>>> can install Windows in that. Benefits include: faster and better Windows
>>> performance with greatly reduced risk of crashes, booting only a single
> OS
>>> (no dual boot issues), and now having faster, larger disk storage.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
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Re: [PLUG] Suggestions for featherweight laptop

[Tomas Kuchta]

I have it as general use shared laptop for the kids, anyone. Got it new
about 2 years ago for $199 new. It is light, surprisingly well constructed,
it has no fan, 2xUSB, HDMI and SD card slot. It lasts about 8 hours on
battery.

 The new/latest version has 4GB RAM and faster WiFi which would be nice,
but it is good enough for browsing, Netflix, basic stuff.

Note: It comes in funny blue color only. I do not believe that it is
upgradable beyond plugging stuff to USB ports, or SD card. It is the only
laptop I have not opened.

It survived a lot of abuse, fully drained batteries, lot of car/plane
travel, sticky fingers,  Don't get me started!

I run stock Ubuntu on it, currently 16.04

I like it and would buy it again for this purpose.

Tomas

On Sep 4, 2017 1:17 PM, "Dave Lien - W7DAL"  wrote:

Thanks, Tom. I think you found the sweet spot with the HP Stream 11. No
problem here giving up dual-boot. I'd rather have a good dedicated
inexpensive lightweight RELIABLE Linux portable that has current
hardware and will be good for a few years.

If you have had a good experience with the HP Stream 11 as a dedicated
no-hassle Linux machine I'm tempted to go with it. WalMart has them from
~$135 as does NewEgg for refurbs. What specific model have you had good
luck with? I see there are many variations at different prices...?

Any model to avoid?

I presume it will boot USB and external USB DVD drive.

And finally, is there any magic I need to know about when installing
MINT and overwriting Windows and other crapware? I see some people have
had problems installing MINT. (But I'll settle for any decent version of
Linux.)

-Dave


On 9/4/2017 11:58 AM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
> If you decide to go for used thikpad X2x0 laptop. I cannot recommend
> anything older than x220/x230 for many reasons - performance, power
> consumption, too old architecture and age (you would be buying almost 10
> years old laptop).
>
> In used Thinkpads, there is pretty awesome selection on Newegg Outlet.
> Example for 2 years old x250:
> https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE=0=
BESTMATCH=X250=0=-1=1
>
> You could get refurbished x250 for about $350 and over time upgrade RAM
and
> replace hard drive with SSD. You should be able to get at least 3 more
> years out of that laptop.
>
> For new item in around $200 - you can look into HP Stream 11. It works
> great with Linux and it is sturdy with good battery life. However it
> doesn't have enough storage to run both Linux and windows, and it is not
> upgradable. The only way to add storage is to use SD card or USB stick.
>
> For $200 and decent hardware, you will have to make significant
compromises
> unless you give up Windows or Linux.
>
> Tomas
>
> On Sep 4, 2017 10:34 AM, "Chuck Hast"  wrote:
>
> I have dualbooted the X200 with both Linux and Win7 pro. Worked quite well
> but I prefer to load it up with RAM and run windows in a VM, works better
in
> my view.
>
> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 4 Sep 2017, Dave Lien - W7DAL wrote:
>>
>>> Does the ThinkPad X200 dual-boot Linux OK for you?  Dave.
>> Dave,
>>
>> I've no idea as I run only linux on it; haven't done M$ in 20 years
>> now. A
>> web search might find the answer for you.
>>
>> If you'll allow a suggestion, replace the existing hard drive with a
>> large
>> Samsung SSD, install linux and use qemu to build a virtual machine. Then
>> you
>> can install Windows in that. Benefits include: faster and better Windows
>> performance with greatly reduced risk of crashes, booting only a single
OS
>> (no dual boot issues), and now having faster, larger disk storage.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rich
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>
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[PLUG] Xmodmap not automatically loading when X starts

[Rich Shepard]

   I've had this issue on portables for years and have not yet found a
working solution. On each host I have the file ~/.Xmodmap (which swaps the
left cap lock and control keys). In ~/.bash_profile is the command,
xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap.

   This does not work on the current or prior portables (except the Dell
Latitude E5410). After starting Xfce4 I need to manually enter this command.
There also are system files that supposedly direct the system to read
.Xmodmap, but nothing is working.

   Has anyone fixed this problem? I'd really like to find where to put the
xmodmap command so it is applied to all virtual terminals when Xfce4 is
running.

Rich

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Re: [PLUG] Suggestions for featherweight laptop

[Dave Lien - W7DAL]

TNX Rich. I do the same thing.


On 9/4/2017 1:27 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Sep 2017, Dave Lien - W7DAL wrote:
>
>> And finally, is there any magic I need to know about when installing MINT
>> and overwriting Windows and other crapware? I see some people have had
>> problems installing MINT. (But I'll settle for any decent version of
>> Linux.)
> Dave,
>
> The first thing I do with a portable (except for the one with linux
> installed and those in which I put in a new hard drive) is run cfdisk and
> repartition it. That leaves a clean disk ready for installing your
> distribution of choice and there's no M$ dust bunnies anywhere.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Suggestions for featherweight laptop

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 4 Sep 2017, Dave Lien - W7DAL wrote:

> And finally, is there any magic I need to know about when installing MINT
> and overwriting Windows and other crapware? I see some people have had
> problems installing MINT. (But I'll settle for any decent version of
> Linux.)

Dave,

   The first thing I do with a portable (except for the one with linux
installed and those in which I put in a new hard drive) is run cfdisk and
repartition it. That leaves a clean disk ready for installing your
distribution of choice and there's no M$ dust bunnies anywhere.

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Re: [PLUG] Suggestions for featherweight laptop

[Dave Lien - W7DAL]

Thanks, Tom. I think you found the sweet spot with the HP Stream 11. No 
problem here giving up dual-boot. I'd rather have a good dedicated 
inexpensive lightweight RELIABLE Linux portable that has current 
hardware and will be good for a few years.

If you have had a good experience with the HP Stream 11 as a dedicated 
no-hassle Linux machine I'm tempted to go with it. WalMart has them from 
~$135 as does NewEgg for refurbs. What specific model have you had good 
luck with? I see there are many variations at different prices...?

Any model to avoid?

I presume it will boot USB and external USB DVD drive.

And finally, is there any magic I need to know about when installing 
MINT and overwriting Windows and other crapware? I see some people have 
had problems installing MINT. (But I'll settle for any decent version of 
Linux.)

-Dave


On 9/4/2017 11:58 AM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
> If you decide to go for used thikpad X2x0 laptop. I cannot recommend
> anything older than x220/x230 for many reasons - performance, power
> consumption, too old architecture and age (you would be buying almost 10
> years old laptop).
>
> In used Thinkpads, there is pretty awesome selection on Newegg Outlet.
> Example for 2 years old x250:
> https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE=0=BESTMATCH=X250=0=-1=1
>
> You could get refurbished x250 for about $350 and over time upgrade RAM and
> replace hard drive with SSD. You should be able to get at least 3 more
> years out of that laptop.
>
> For new item in around $200 - you can look into HP Stream 11. It works
> great with Linux and it is sturdy with good battery life. However it
> doesn't have enough storage to run both Linux and windows, and it is not
> upgradable. The only way to add storage is to use SD card or USB stick.
>
> For $200 and decent hardware, you will have to make significant compromises
> unless you give up Windows or Linux.
>
> Tomas
>
> On Sep 4, 2017 10:34 AM, "Chuck Hast"  wrote:
>
> I have dualbooted the X200 with both Linux and Win7 pro. Worked quite well
> but I prefer to load it up with RAM and run windows in a VM, works better in
> my view.
>
> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 4 Sep 2017, Dave Lien - W7DAL wrote:
>>
>>> Does the ThinkPad X200 dual-boot Linux OK for you?  Dave.
>> Dave,
>>
>> I've no idea as I run only linux on it; haven't done M$ in 20 years
>> now. A
>> web search might find the answer for you.
>>
>> If you'll allow a suggestion, replace the existing hard drive with a
>> large
>> Samsung SSD, install linux and use qemu to build a virtual machine. Then
>> you
>> can install Windows in that. Benefits include: faster and better Windows
>> performance with greatly reduced risk of crashes, booting only a single OS
>> (no dual boot issues), and now having faster, larger disk storage.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rich
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>
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[PLUG] Sorry - just checking to see if I got my setting correct

[fredjame]

Apologies ... I am just checking to see if I got my setting correct
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Re: [PLUG] Suggestions for featherweight laptop

[Tomas Kuchta]

If you decide to go for used thikpad X2x0 laptop. I cannot recommend
anything older than x220/x230 for many reasons - performance, power
consumption, too old architecture and age (you would be buying almost 10
years old laptop).

In used Thinkpads, there is pretty awesome selection on Newegg Outlet.
Example for 2 years old x250:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE=0=BESTMATCH=X250=0=-1=1

You could get refurbished x250 for about $350 and over time upgrade RAM and
replace hard drive with SSD. You should be able to get at least 3 more
years out of that laptop.

For new item in around $200 - you can look into HP Stream 11. It works
great with Linux and it is sturdy with good battery life. However it
doesn't have enough storage to run both Linux and windows, and it is not
upgradable. The only way to add storage is to use SD card or USB stick.

For $200 and decent hardware, you will have to make significant compromises
unless you give up Windows or Linux.

Tomas

On Sep 4, 2017 10:34 AM, "Chuck Hast"  wrote:

I have dualbooted the X200 with both Linux and Win7 pro. Worked quite well
but I prefer to load it up with RAM and run windows in a VM, works better in
my view.

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Sep 2017, Dave Lien - W7DAL wrote:
>
> > Does the ThinkPad X200 dual-boot Linux OK for you?  Dave.
>
> Dave,
>
>I've no idea as I run only linux on it; haven't done M$ in 20 years
> now. A
> web search might find the answer for you.
>
>If you'll allow a suggestion, replace the existing hard drive with a
> large
> Samsung SSD, install linux and use qemu to build a virtual machine. Then
> you
> can install Windows in that. Benefits include: faster and better Windows
> performance with greatly reduced risk of crashes, booting only a single OS
> (no dual boot issues), and now having faster, larger disk storage.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rich
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Re: [PLUG] External hd enclosure recmmendation

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 4 Sep 2017, John Jason Jordan wrote:

> I recently bought a Mediasonic ProRaid HUR3-SU3S3 2 Bay 3.5'
> SATA Hard Drive Enclosure ... 
>
> Mediasonic single drive enclosures:
> http://tinyurl.com/y74qdthf

   Thanks, John.

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Re: [PLUG] External hd enclosure recmmendation

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 4 Sep 2017, Dave Lien - W7DAL wrote:

> I have used a variety ofsuch enclosures over the years and favor those
> that have a built-in exit fan. Without it, the HD heat does build up and
> reduce life IMHO.

Dave,

   Point taken.

Thanks,

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Re: [PLUG] External hd enclosure recmmendation

[John Jason Jordan]

On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 10:57:29 -0700 (PDT)
Rich Shepard  dijo:

>I have a SATA III 500GB hard drive that needs an external enclosure. It
>will be connected via USB3 to the new server.

I recently bought a Mediasonic ProRaid HUR3-SU3S3 2 Bay 3.5'
SATA Hard Drive Enclosure to house two Western Digital red pro drives,
which I set up with RAID 0. Installation of the drives and software
setup could not have been easier. That was some months back and so far
it has been working perfectly, connected with USB3.0.

Mediasonic also sells single drive USB3.0 enclosures, but I have no
experience with them. All I can say is that I am very pleased with the
quality of the product that I bought.

Mediasonic single drive enclosures:
http://tinyurl.com/y74qdthf


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Re: [PLUG] External hd enclosure recmmendation

[Dave Lien - W7DAL]

I have used a variety ofsuch enclosures over the years and favor those 
that have a built-in exit fan. Without it, the HD heat does build up and 
reduce life IMHO. -Dave


On 9/4/2017 10:57 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:
> I think there was a thread on this subject a while ago, but my web search
> foo did not allow me to find it.
>
> I have a SATA III 500GB hard drive that needs an external enclosure. It
> will be connected via USB3 to the new server.
>
> Are there brands/models that are particularly reliable or ones that should
> be avoided?
>
> TIA,
>
> Rich
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[PLUG] External hd enclosure recmmendation

[Rich Shepard]

   I think there was a thread on this subject a while ago, but my web search
foo did not allow me to find it.

   I have a SATA III 500GB hard drive that needs an external enclosure. It
will be connected via USB3 to the new server.

   Are there brands/models that are particularly reliable or ones that should
be avoided?

TIA,

Rich

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Re: [PLUG] Suggestions for featherweight laptop

[Chuck Hast]

I have dualbooted the X200 with both Linux and Win7 pro. Worked quite well
but I prefer to load it up with RAM and run windows in a VM, works better in
my view.

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Sep 2017, Dave Lien - W7DAL wrote:
>
> > Does the ThinkPad X200 dual-boot Linux OK for you?  Dave.
>
> Dave,
>
>I've no idea as I run only linux on it; haven't done M$ in 20 years
> now. A
> web search might find the answer for you.
>
>If you'll allow a suggestion, replace the existing hard drive with a
> large
> Samsung SSD, install linux and use qemu to build a virtual machine. Then
> you
> can install Windows in that. Benefits include: faster and better Windows
> performance with greatly reduced risk of crashes, booting only a single OS
> (no dual boot issues), and now having faster, larger disk storage.
>
> Regards,
>
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[PLUG] Reorganizing network desktops

[Rich Shepard]

   Would like input from network admins on my thoughts for replacing the old
(~7-8 years) 32-bit server/workstation with separate desktops for each
function.

   One dusty desktop here is a used Dell Opt/Plex 360 (from Free Geek) with
2G RAM (max. 4G), a 250G hard drive, and 64-bit Intel Core2 Duo CPU
(2.93GHz). I'll upgrade memory to 4G and replace the Mint with Slackware (of
course) without Xfce4. I think this will make an adequate server for my
needs. I need to research if I can install and upgrade the OS on this host
remotely via an optical drive or directory on a different machine. Ordinary
administration will be via ssh.

   The other (almost completely wired) desktop runs an i7 CPU on an Asus
Sabertooth 990FX motherboard with 8G RAM, 60G Samsung SSD (from 2015), and
750G hard drive. This will be my workstation.

   I think the only two changes I need to learn how to successfully complete
is implementing imap because postfix will be on the server and I'll read
mail on the workstation. (This also allows me to run alpine on a laptop when
I'm out of the office and use ssh to access the server rather than running
alpine on the server/workstation as I now do) and completely revising dirvish
to accommodate the new directory structure and support two feeding hosts.
I think it makes sense to retire the old external backup hard drive (it's
been in use for several years now) and use the WD Black 500G drive with a
new external enclosure.

All thoughts, comments, suggestions, and recommendations encouraged,

Rich




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Re: [PLUG] Suggestions for featherweight laptop

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 4 Sep 2017, Dave Lien - W7DAL wrote:

> Does the ThinkPad X200 dual-boot Linux OK for you?  Dave.

Dave,

   I've no idea as I run only linux on it; haven't done M$ in 20 years now. A
web search might find the answer for you.

   If you'll allow a suggestion, replace the existing hard drive with a large
Samsung SSD, install linux and use qemu to build a virtual machine. Then you
can install Windows in that. Benefits include: faster and better Windows
performance with greatly reduced risk of crashes, booting only a single OS
(no dual boot issues), and now having faster, larger disk storage.

Regards,

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Suggestions for featherweight laptop

[Dave Lien - W7DAL]

TNX Rich. Does the ThinkPad X200 dual-boot Linux OK for you?  Dave.


On 9/4/2017 9:16 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Sep 2017, Dave Lien - W7DAL wrote:
>
>> Should have mentioned I'm looking for something under 3 lbs and abt $200
>> or less. Nothing fancy needed for this non-critical app. There seem to be
>> lots of Chromebooks in that category but I'm led to believe Linux doesn't
>> work well on those without an Intel CPU. Is that true in your experience?
> Dave,
>
> I bought a ThinkPad X200 on eBay for $65. If you don't need the latest and
> greatest eBay is an option for you.
>
> Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Suggestions for featherweight laptop

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 4 Sep 2017, Dave Lien - W7DAL wrote:

> Should have mentioned I'm looking for something under 3 lbs and abt $200
> or less. Nothing fancy needed for this non-critical app. There seem to be
> lots of Chromebooks in that category but I'm led to believe Linux doesn't
> work well on those without an Intel CPU. Is that true in your experience?

Dave,

   I bought a ThinkPad X200 on eBay for $65. If you don't need the latest and
greatest eBay is an option for you.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Suggestions for featherweight laptop

[Dave Lien - W7DAL]

Thanks for the suggestions, Tom. I'll check them out.

Should have mentioned I'm looking for something under 3 lbs and abt $200 
or less. Nothing fancy needed for this non-critical app. There seem to 
be lots of Chromebooks in that category but I'm led to believe Linux 
doesn't work well on those without an Intel CPU. Is that true in your 
experience?

Looks like the days of the Serial port on portables are pretty well 
gone. Began downhill when they moved the external modem inside I 
suppose. :-D. But pure Serial is hard to beat for rock solid external 
hardware control without the vagaries and idiosyncrasies of dongles, 
multiple conversions, and drivers. I never buy a desktop mobo without at 
least one on the board.

TNX AGN for the help.

-Dave



On 9/3/2017 11:22 PM, Tom wrote:
> I have 1st class Linux experience with Lenovo Thinkpad X2x0 (currently
> x=7), Dell XPS 13 and HP Elitebook 820 G3 (HP is the most expensive one
> )
> Both are almost identical in size, weight and have decent battery life
> (~8 hours) in lightweight formats.
> Pros:
> Dell has better 13" LCD with 100% sRGB gamut. I have IPS 1920x1080 - it
> has significantly better battery life than with QHD panel and and costs
> less. XPS 13 probably thinner and lighter.
> Lenovo has 2 batteries - one internal, one external - so that you can
> swap the external without shutting the laptop down. It also has
> ethernet port, mechanical 3x touch pad buttons, RAM DIM slot and real
> dock port at the bottom.
> Cons:
> Dell has soldered-on RAM and does not have ethernet port
> Lenovo - you can get 10+ hours of extended battery run time, but you
> need extended battery which is thicker than the standard 3 cell type
> which gives you about 4-5 hours. The 12.5" IPS LCD panel has lower
> gamut ~ 65% sRGB
> Both laptops have 2xUSB3.0 ports and 1xTB3/USB3.1v2-C-type ports and SD
> card reader.
> No recent laptop has serial port - you will need USB dongle for about
> $10 or more. They generally just work on Linux.
> The Thinkpad and Dell XPS13 are about the same cost for equivalent
> configuration.
> Hope it helps, Tomas
> On Sun, 2017-09-03 at 19:02 -0700, Dave Lien - W7DAL wrote:
>> Portege R100.
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Re: [PLUG] Moving/copying old home to new machine

[Rich Shepard]

On Sun, 3 Sep 2017, Denis Heidtmann wrote:

> I am wanting to copy my home folder from my old machine to my new one. I
> was planning on putting either the old or the new drive in a usb dock and
> copying everything over using cp -pr. But web comments mention rsync. What
> are the risks/rewards of the various choices?

Denis,

   rsync preserves links, permissions, and everything else. It is the backend
to dirvish which is the tool I (and many others) use for daily backups to an
external hare drive, and I use it to transfer/synchronize subdirectories
between the desktop and the laptops.

   I use the options -avz (a == archive, v == verbose, z == compress). Read
the man page for options you might want to use.

   One thing to watch carefully is when to use a terminating forward slash
(/) and when to leave it off. As the man page tells ue, "Perhaps the best
way to explain the syntax is with some examples:

   rsync -avz foo:src/bar /data/tmp

This would recursively transfer all files from the directory src/bar on the
machine foo into the /data/tmp/bar directory on the local machine. The files
are transferred in "archive" mode, which ensures that sym‐ bolic links,
devices, attributes, permissions, ownerships, etc. are preserved in the
transfer. Additionally, compression will be used to reduce the size of data
portions of the transfer.

   rsync -avz foo:src/bar/ /data/tmp

A trailing slash on the source changes this behavior to avoid creating an
additional directory level at the destination. You can think of a trailing /
on a source as meaning "copy the contents of this directory" as opposed to
"copy the directory by name", but in both cases the attributes of the
containing directory are transferred to the contain‐ ing directory on the
destination."

HTH,

Rich

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Re: [PLUG] Moving/copying old home to new machine

[Tom]

Both cp -pr and rsync will copy your data. rsync also works over the
network, so you can copy without the need to mess with a drive medium.
Transfer speed depends on how much data you are planning to copy and
how fast the network versus the drive.
Here is how to copy your home from pc1 to pc2:
rsync -a --progress /home/denis pc2:/backupDir/
This will copy home dir denis from pc1 into dir /backupDir on pc2 over
your network using ssh. You could also change users between the pc's.
You cannot copy data between two remote machines directly though.
For more, read: man rsync
Tomas
On Sun, 2017-09-03 at 21:42 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> I am wanting to copy my home folder from my old machine to my new
> one.  I
> was planning on putting either the old or the new drive in a usb dock
> and
> copying everything over using cp -pr.  But web comments mention
> rsync.
> What are the risks/rewards of the various choices?
> 
> Thanks,
> -Denis
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Re: [PLUG] Suggestions for featherweight laptop

[Tom]

I have 1st class Linux experience with Lenovo Thinkpad X2x0 (currently
x=7), Dell XPS 13 and HP Elitebook 820 G3 (HP is the most expensive one
)
Both are almost identical in size, weight and have decent battery life
(~8 hours) in lightweight formats.
Pros:
Dell has better 13" LCD with 100% sRGB gamut. I have IPS 1920x1080 - it
has significantly better battery life than with QHD panel and and costs
less. XPS 13 probably thinner and lighter.
Lenovo has 2 batteries - one internal, one external - so that you can
swap the external without shutting the laptop down. It also has
ethernet port, mechanical 3x touch pad buttons, RAM DIM slot and real
dock port at the bottom.
Cons:
Dell has soldered-on RAM and does not have ethernet port
Lenovo - you can get 10+ hours of extended battery run time, but you
need extended battery which is thicker than the standard 3 cell type
which gives you about 4-5 hours. The 12.5" IPS LCD panel has lower
gamut ~ 65% sRGB
Both laptops have 2xUSB3.0 ports and 1xTB3/USB3.1v2-C-type ports and SD
card reader.
No recent laptop has serial port - you will need USB dongle for about
$10 or more. They generally just work on Linux.
The Thinkpad and Dell XPS13 are about the same cost for equivalent
configuration.
Hope it helps, Tomas
On Sun, 2017-09-03 at 19:02 -0700, Dave Lien - W7DAL wrote:
> Portege R100.
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