Re: [PLUG] An emacs shortcut

[Ali Corbin]

I, well, er, have done this.  It's only a few keystrokes more than doing a
fill.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 9:42 PM Russell Senior 
wrote:

> You could probably set an embarrassingly long line length, and reformat the
> paragraph too.
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023, 21:20 Johnathan Mantey  wrote:
>
> > Rich,
> >
> > That key sequence runs 'delete-indentation' which, per the command
> > documentation:
> >
> >
> > *Join this line to previous and fix up whitespace at join.If there is a
> > fill prefix, delete it from the beginning of thisline.*
> >
> > It is not necessary to be at the end of the line.
> >
> > Johnathan
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 2:21 PM Rich Shepard 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I've asked for emacs help here a number of times. This time I share a
> >> solution I found (deep in a StackExchange thread) that's very useful for
> >> me
> >> and, perhap, for other emacs users: unfilling a paragraph.
> >>
> >> Text downloaded from a web site (and other sources) may come as a single
> >> line per paragraph. When we want to reformat that text into lines no
> >> longer
> >> than a specified number of characters we use M-q (fill paragraph).
> >>
> >> The reverse process is needed when we want to format paragaphs with
> >> newlines
> >> for use on a web site. Turns out there's an unfill command: M-^.
> >>
> >> Place the cursor (the point) at the end of the paragraph's last line and
> >> keep entering M-^. A simple macro does wonders for a long text file.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps someone, sometime.
> >>
> >> Rich
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>

Re: [PLUG] a question on "mv" command

[Ali Corbin]

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 8:20 PM, VY  wrote:

> Thanks again for all the replies.
>
> I have a further question on this.
>
> Is doing "mv *" considered "bad coding"?
>

In a word, yes.
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Re: [PLUG] Trackball middle button pastes string twice

[Ali Corbin]

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 7:21 AM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

>This behavior started over the weekend and is quite annoying. When I
> press
> the two small buttons on the Logictech Marble trackball (emulating the
> middle button on a 3-button mouse in 10-evdev.conf) the highlighted string
> is inserted twice.
>
>Web searches find only a couple of results specific to linux, one
> apparently related to a tool on Arch, the other with xfce4 that had a
> second
> post by the thread offer noting the problem was the mouse. Neither had
> useful information for me. Most other results asked how to disable pasting
> with the middle mouse button.
>
>I welcome any and all suggestions on identifying the source of this
> behavior.
>

I'd start with xev, to see exactly what the trackball is sending.
Also, if you happen to have another trackball stashed away, try it.
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Re: [PLUG] Diagnosing USB connection problem

[Ali Corbin]

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

>
>The issue seems to be that for some reason the phone is now not seen as
> an
> MTP device. I've no idea why the Media Transport Protocol is involce. How
> might I fix this situation?


My own phone can connect through either mtp or ptp.  It may be that yours
has the same capability and was accidently switched.  (On mine, a
notification shows up on connection, telling which it's using, and giving
an option to switch.  If that isn't happening for you, I'd look through its
settings.)
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Re: [PLUG] Linux newbie needs guidance

[Ali Corbin]

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Richard Owlett  wrote:

Upstream considers the supplied file (once extracted) to be satisfactory
> for a typical user to trivially install tomboy. There are lots of
> scripts in top level. But I've no idea of which to run in what order.
>
> richard@stretch-2nd:/usr/local/common/tomboy/tomboy-1.15.8$ dir
> --group-directories-first
> data   testcompile   configure intltool-extract.in
> Makefile.in   README
> help   Tomboy  config.guess  configure.ac  intltool-merge.in
> Makefile.include  tomboy.doap
> libtomboy  aclocal.m4  config.h.in   COPYING   intltool-update.in
> missing   tomboy.spec
> m4 AUTHORS config.rpath  depcomp   ltmain.sh
> NEWS  tomboy.spec.in
> po ChangeLog   config.subinstall-shMakefile.am
> pot-update.in
>
> Me, the first thing I'd do would be to read the README file.
That's where they should've put the build instructions.
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Re: [PLUG] strange behavior of a file label on a flash memory USB stick

[Ali Corbin]

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 3:23 PM, logical american  wrote:

> Recently I noticed something odd occurring with 2 file labels,
>
>  make_Home_categories.txt
>  make_home_categories.txt
>
> which were 2 separate files, in my ext4 linux file system in the same
> partition area, /home/owner/.
>
> However when I went to copy these 2 files to the flash drive, only 1
> file was copied.
>
>  make_home_categories.txt
>
> For some reason the flash drive would NOT allow these 2 file names to
> coexist.  I could copy either one, and
> the copy took, but whenever I would attempt to do both, only 1 was
> allowed to exist on the flash drive.
>
> Is there any explanation for this odd behavior?  Is some code character
> set not set up right for the flash drive?
> How could the drive (or OS) know that only the capital H or small letter
> h was a trigger for copying 1 and only 1 file?
>
> - Randall
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What file system does the flash drive use (try fdisk -l).
It might be FAT, which I don't think is case sensitive.

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Re: [PLUG] Install Horde from RPMS...

[Ali Corbin]

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Michael Christopher Robinson <
mich...@robinson-west.com> wrote:

> Anyone have tips on installing Horde Webmail edition on a CentOS 7
> server via yum?  A couple of concerns, the version of php that CentOS 7
> uses is old as is the version of apache that CentOS 7 uses.  The
> version of openssl that CentOS 7 uses is old too.  I'm concerned about
> heartbleed among other things.  Can you create rpms from pear?
>

RedHat is good about backporting security fixes into their older, stable
versions of rpms.  And then CentOS gets them from them.
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Re: [PLUG] Emacs: change word case in CSV file

[Ali Corbin]

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

   That's the way mine works, too. However, with > 2,400 lines each with
> multiple fields doing this manually is impractical.
>
>What I did (and should have mentioned in the original message) after
> creating the macro was C-u 0 C-x e which runs the macro until the end of
> the
> file (about 24k times in this case). That's how I ended up with a big mess
> of some words capitalized and others untouched.
>
> Have you tried selecting the entire buffer (C-x h) and then typing:

M-x capitalize-region
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Re: [PLUG] Emacs: change word case in CSV file

[Ali Corbin]

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

>Some agency databases store all words in uppercase and that's how they
> are
> downloaded to a .csv file.
>
>I tried creating a macro that would capitalize all uppercase words by
> using M-c M-f to capitalize the word under the cursor then move to the next
> word. Emacs apparently sees the field-separating comma as the next word, so
> I added a right arrow press between the M-c and M-f. This results in a
> mish-mash where some words are changed and others aren't because multiple
> words within a field are not separated by a comma.
>
> In my version of emacs, in fundamental mode, M-c alone does just what you
want.  I think.

That is, if I put my cursor at the beginning of:

ASDF ASDF,ASDF ASDFA, ADSFA A,ASDF

and hit M-c about 6 times, I end up with:

Asdf Asdf,Asdf Asdfa, Adsfa A,Asdf
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Re: [PLUG] Sorting blocks of text

[Ali Corbin]

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

>I've a few files of names and addresses; each block is separated by two
> blank lines. I'd like to sort them alphabetically by the first line. 'sort'
> does not seem to do this as I don't see a record separator, only a field
> separator.
>
> Have you looked at msort?
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Re: [PLUG] Using display for sequence of images

[Ali Corbin]

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Galen Seitz  wrote:

> On 10/24/16 08:30, Rich Shepard wrote:
> >The 'display' man page tells me that it 'displays an image or image
> > sequence on any X server' and suggests looking at the web page or
> equivalent
> > in /usr/share/doc/ImageMagick-6/www/display.html. Since no command line
> > option seems to direct display to read the image file names from a file I
> > assume that I need to list the filenames in a script with a command that
> > waits for my input before changing images. Is this correct?
> >
> >Seems like the bash 'read -p' command would be appropriate, but I
> have not
> > used it before and don't know how to use it for a sequence of 'display'
> > commands.
> >
> >I want to display a series of images (*.jpg and *.png) and have them
> > change under user control. If you've done this before and are willing to
> > share your script, please do so.
>
> Have you tried "display *.jpg" and then used right click Next?


Pressing the spacebar also works.
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Re: [PLUG] Web site URL points to localhost

[Ali Corbin]

His service provider (who was suffering the affects of the attack) unloaded
him.  Until he can get back up, your only recourse is to find caches of the
site.
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Re: [PLUG] how to exit full screen google maps

[Ali Corbin]

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:42 PM, John Jason Jordan 
wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:15:38 -0700
> Denis Heidtmann  dijo:
>
> >In fact, it would be helpful if I
> >could turn off the feature that generated the full screen in the first
> >place.
>
> I found a way to turn it off, but that was too long ago. I no longer
> remember how I did it. But I'm pretty sure I found it somewhere on
> Google or Ubuntu forums.


I also turned it off.  I believe it was 'Enable Window Tiling and Snapping,
under 'Window Tiling and Edge Flip'.
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Re: [PLUG] Cron advice needed

[Ali Corbin]

Another possibility is that the additional 9 characters made your text
editor decide to wrap the line, inserting a carriage return.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Don Buchholz 
wrote:

> Are you sure it's a zero and not the letter 'O'?   Are there any spaces to
> the left of the '0'?
>
> On April 26, 2016 8:50:30 PM PDT, John Jason Jordan 
> wrote:
> >On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:56:14 -0700
> >John Jason Jordan  dijo:
> >
> >>>You probably would benefit from the --delete flag. From the man page,
> >
> >>>this flag will "delete extraneous files from dest dirs" which I
> >>>believe is what you want to accomplish.
> >>
> >>OK, I changed it to:
> >>
> >>  rsync -avx --delete /home/jjj/Mail/ /media/jjj/Data/Mail
> >>
> >>And it seems to be working.
> >
> >I spoke to soon. It worked fine when I ran it directly from the command
> >line, but crontab pukes it up:
> >
> >jjj@Devil-Bonobo:/media/jjj$ crontab -e
> >crontab: installing new crontab
> >"/tmp/crontab.xbNVsm/crontab":0: bad minute
> >errors in crontab file, can't install.
> >Do you want to retry the same edit? (y/n) y
> >
> >This is the line in crontab:
> >
> >0 3 * * * rsync -avx --delete /home/jjj/Mail/ /media/jjj/Data/Mail
> >
> >The 'minute' is 0, which worked before.
> >
> >Suggestions?
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Re: [PLUG] question on filling in GUI popup windows

[Ali Corbin]

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:34 PM, logical american 
wrote:

> Just recently, a company that I work with changed their pop-gui login
> window which has fields which have to be manually answered.
>
> I need some linux program which will know how to answer the name box
> inside the gui frame, then jump down to the password, and decrypt the
> prestored password, and put it into the password box  (we are running
> ssh, so I don't expect that the password will be visible in the data
> stream)  I do NOT want a password stored in the clear.
>
> Is there any linux program which can handle this efficiently?  Expect
> only seems to handle CLI input, not a gui frame.
>
> You could use a test framework, like cucumber.  Its real purpose is to run
regression tests on web pages, which is just another way of saying it
automates filling in web forms.

Or, if the company publishes its web api, you could simply write a script
that assembles a POST message and send it up.

Ali
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Re: [PLUG] Emacs Text Editing Question

[Ali Corbin]

On Mar 25, 2016 8:07 AM, "Rich Shepard"  wrote:
>
...
> measures are difficult to interpret as suitable for fish and
> wildlife. Biological-based standards of water quality are more useful
>
> The 'd' in "and" is on column 59; when I place "wildlife" on that line the
> space after the '.' is in column 70. So, why is the \n placed between
"and"
> and "wildlife." when I reformat using M-q?
>

I've noticed this too, but only when I've pasted text into Emacs. My trick
is to add a second space after the period.

Now I went to school in the dark ages, and was taught to put two spaces
between sentences. I presume that Emacs is of the same vintage, and has
somehow decided that dot-single-space isn't really a word separator. But
I'm sure there's a setting you can change if you prefer single spaces
between sentences.

Ali
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Re: [PLUG] File won't stay deleted

[Ali Corbin]

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:07 PM, John Jason Jordan 
wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 20:17:41 -0800
> John Jason Jordan  dijo:
>
> >Xubuntu 14.04.3, up to date. Files ystem is ext4.
> >
> >Some time ago I created an ISO image of a movie DVD. I have been
> >through with the file for some time so I no longer need it. I can
> >delete it with either Thunar or the command line, but a few hours
> >later it reappears. Each time it reappears the size of the file
> >changes, always to slightly smaller, i.e., originally it was 4.6 GB,
> >but after deleting it a dozen times it now appears as only 2.6 GB.
>
> Correction: It just reappeared again, and this time it is 4.6 GB. So it
> isn't always smaller.
>
> I wonder if some process has it open and keeps repairing it for you.
Does lsof say anything about it?
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Re: [PLUG] Survey: what make/model router do you use at home?

[Ali Corbin]

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Russell Senior
 wrote:
>
> Galen Seitz and I are working on a project where we encountered a "bug"
> in our hardware/software when connecting to certain off-the-shelf wifi
> routers, involving the 4way handshake associated with RSN/WPA2.  We are
> trying to estimate the probability that customers are going to encounter
> this in the field.  So far, we know of 4 make/models that are
> problematic and 4 make/models that aren't.
>
> Please answer the following questions to the best of your ability:
>
>  1) what is the make/model of the wifi device that you use in your
> house?  none is an acceptable answer.

Actiontec WPS PK500

>
>  2) about how old is it (rough guess is fine)?

Well, it's got a Qwest sticker on it.  I'd say that it's pretty old.

>
>  2) is it running firmware from the vendor or have you installed a 3rd
> party firmware like DDwrt, OpenWrt or similar?

Dunno.  I got it secondhand, from a friend.  I doubt that she messed
with the firmware.  I certainly haven't.

>
>  3) Do you now or have you ever exhibited any interest in model trains?
> (this is to weight your answer heavier for the target demographic)

My dad spent ages in building them, and in creating intricate layouts
for them.  Me, not so much.  Although now I find them interesting to
sketch.  Sleek black locomotives pulling strings of carriages around
snow-dusted craggy hills.
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Re: [PLUG] TONIGHT: Git up 'n' go! A Git and GitHub Crash Course

[Ali Corbin]

I've thrown something together for tonight.
If anyone wants to get a head start, they can look at:

https://github.com/alijc/git-practice

It contains a few files to edit for practicing commits and merges and
the like, and a howto with some basic git and github commands.

I'm sure that there are things I forgot, but I don't want to do any
more typing today.

See you this evening.

Ali
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Re: [PLUG] Pleaze oh Pleaze: Git/GitHub4beginners talk.

[Ali Corbin]

On Nov 30, 2015 10:20 PM, "Michael Dexter"  wrote:
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Thank you to the person who gave me a suggestion for a possible speaker
> for a Git/GitHub crash course. I am trying to reach them.
>
> Are there any card-carrying members who would like to give such a crash
> course this Thursday? Alan and Randal have covered the topic in the past
> but that was pretty pre-GitHub.
>
> I'll cover your membership dues for 2016 and 2017!
>
> Michael Dexter
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I don't think I could come up with anything very organized, but I've used
git and github for years and could probably babble on about them.

But maybe everyone already groks git and just wants to get up to speed on
github?  The only thing it really adds to git is this forking business I
think. Except maybe for the wiki and the defect tracking that they give
you, and the webpages.

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Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions

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I tend to use a LTS Mint at home, and CentOS at work.

The advantage of Mint is that it comes with packages that will play
DVDs or mp3 files.  You can do this for CentOS, but you have to find
third-party packages to install.

The advantage of CentOS is that it's super stable.  Which can also
mean that you can have a problem installing third party software after
a few years.  For example, the newest release of chrome won't run on a
CentOS 6 system, because it demands newer versions of some libraries.

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Re: [PLUG] We have an OSCONtest winner!

[Ali Corbin]

I registered for a hall pass and will soon be seen haunting the halls.
And will stop by to check out the benefits.  However, to avoid
confusion, I'm actually not Scott M (the author), but Ali C (the
reviewer).

Ali

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Michael Dexter dex...@ambidexter.com wrote:

 Dear PLUG Members,

 The Second-annual OSCONtest for a sessions pass received three entries:

 Docker: Up and Running (Paperback)
 David A Gibbons
 http://www.amazon.com/review/R1KLWZ4HAJGTGA

 Effective Modern C++: 42 Specific Ways to Improve Your Use of C++11 and
 C++14
 Scott Meyers
 http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/1326437454

 Docker: Up and Running (Paperback)
 Scott Bigelow
 http://www.amazon.com/review/R3I23O2HMIQ6AX

 The panel of judges was disappointed by the small number of entries but
 was very impressed by the thoughtfulness of the reviews and were
 surprised that two were about the same timely book.

 Kudos to David for mentioning use of Docker at work and less-obvious
 things like Kindle highlighting.

 Kudos to Scott M. for recognizing the humor and clarity of the book,
 culminating with the ever-important And now, after all these years, can
 finally say that I understand.

 And finally, kudos to Scott B. for the detailed list of key points and
 weaknesses and the poetic reference to the title, ...outlines what it
 takes to get Docker not just up, but running in production. This
 attention to detail even got the attention of the author, even though
 both he and David both pointed out small errors: Thanks for the review,
 we really appreciate the feedback. We're on the typos and apologize for
 them slipping through.

 All things considered, the pass goes to Scott Bigelow for the structure
 and thoughtfulness of his review.

 David and Scott, M, if you attend the Expo Hall, please find me for a
 few on-site benefits.

 Great work and see you at OSCON!

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Re: [PLUG] Reminder: 2nd Annual Book Review/OSCON Pass Contest!

[Ali Corbin]

I grabbed myself a copy of Scott Meyers' Effective Modern C++.
(Actually, several copies.  One for the computer, one for the tablet,
and one for the phone.)  My review is here:

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/1326437454

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Re: [PLUG] ssh passwordless login

[Ali Corbin]

 On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Herrington herd...@gmail.com wrote:
 All,

 I'm stuck with a ssh passwordless login problem. Source machine is a
 solaris 10 box behind a firewall and NAT. The remote machine is Mint 13
 behind firewall and NAT.


The last time I had an ssh problem that ssh -vvv didn't help me with,
I logged onto the target system and tailed /var/log/secure.  And it
told me exactly what was wrong with my permissions.
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Re: [PLUG] Reminder: OSCON Pass Book Review Contest Official Rules

[Ali Corbin]

https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/956927006

On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Michael Dexter dex...@ambidexter.com wrote:

 Dear active PLUG members,

 OSCON is coming and one of you will head there with a full sessions pass
 courtesy of O'Reilly Media!

 You'll have to work for it though but it will make you a better person
 and is a GREAT alternative to giving a PLUG talk should you still find
 that too intimidating.

 The contest: Write a public book review of any O'Reilly title.

 Who is eligible: Active PLUG members defined as those active on the
 mailing list, attending meetings or attended the Torvalds QA where this
 was announced. Hint: Not being on the mailing list could cause you to
 miss this very message!

 The winning review will be chosen based on:

 Depth - Do you fully appreciate the strengths  weaknesses of the book?

 Clarity - Do you communicate that fact and help people make a decision?

 Sincerity - You're allowed to be funny or passionate!

 Relevance/Timeliness - It is a new release? Is it a hot topic?

 Effort - Is this your first review? The book's first review?

 Venue - Will anyone see your review? Amazon is good. Print? (with proof)

 A review should help make (and at times break) a buying decision. There
 ARE crap books out there but rarely, if ever from O'Reilly. I LOVE
 thoughtful negative reviews but they probably won't win you the pass.

 HOW: Simply post a link to your review to the PLUG mailing list or a
 verifiable form of proof that it will be printed in a future publication.

 HELP: I will have free e-book coupons at the meetings up through OSCON

 DEADLINE: Before OSCON but I am open to a fixed, earlier deadline if
 it risks ruling out an active list contributor who lives outside
 Portland and would have to make travel arrangements.

 Even I took a stab at it last year:

 http://www.amazon.com/review/R24J5P38R9ZAVV

 Good luck!

 Michael Dexter
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Re: [PLUG] Are dependences obsolete?

[Ali Corbin]

 I run a Red Hat Enterprise clone, Scientific Linux 6.5 .  It is
 stodgy (equivalent to Fedora 12, a 4 year old base kernel) - but
 it will get security updates until 2023, supported by Fermilabs
 even if Red Hat goes away (or worse, gets bought by Larry
 Ellison).  The problem is, almost all recent third party not-in-
 the-standard-distro packages want later major revs of libraries
 with new features; I can't compile or run those because the
 dependencies collide.

Are the packages open source?  If so, you might be able to fetch the
source rpm and repackage it for rhel/centos/sl.  Even better, someone
might have already done this for you.
I run centos, and usually find multiple choices for packages that
aren't in centos' distro when I search in pbone.
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Re: [PLUG] SD cards that enable wifi

[Ali Corbin]

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Pete Lancashire
p...@petelancashire.com wrote:
 I have one for my digital camera Wifi PRO X2 from these guys
 http://www.eye.fi/

 Have  not used in a year or so, it is currently in the lost category.

 When I got it there was quite a bit of Linux hacking with it, not sure
 where things are at now days.

 And when I got it there other ones were not available.

 As far as the Wi-Fi part, getting the signal out of my camera was 'ok'. By
 OK I could get a lock when the camera was about
 5 feet away. I think the only thing that
 saved the day was the door that covers the SD CARD and Battery was plastic.
 vs. metal or nickel
 sprayed.


A friend has one of these in his camera, and loves it.
But he says that it sucks the life out of his battery.
Ali







 On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 11:43 PM, John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.netwrote:

 I understand they exist. I have a medical device that has an SD card.
 Currently to view the data I must schlep the SD card back and forth
 from the device to my computer every day. If I could replace the SD
 card in the device with a wifi-SD card, I could just access the data
 over the wireless network. Has anyone used one of these cards?
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Re: [PLUG] Setxkbdmap

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This explains it pretty well.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Keyboard_Configuration_in_Xorg

I'm not gonna try playing with ancient greek, but I was able to pretty
quickly set up a toggle between good ole 'merican English and Portuguese,
toggling on the caps lock key, with:

setxkbmap us,pt -option  grp:caps_toggle

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Re: [PLUG] Android tablets - configurability?

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I've used the fdroid app to find open-source apps for my android devices.
You can check out the selection from a browser thusly:

http://f-droid.org/repository/browse/
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Re: [PLUG] Linus is mad at a kernel maintainer

[Ali Corbin]

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Denis Heidtmann
denis.heidtm...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 8:03 AM, MJang m...@linuxexam.com wrote:
  Folks,
 
  This message from Linus on the kernel mailing list is interesting
  (warning; language at the link is pretty salty).
 
  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1414106
 
  Thanks,
  Mike

 This seems to be in sharp contrast to the traditional advice given to
 managers of people: praise in public, criticize in private.  Was it an
 error that this appeared on a mailing list?

 I am speaking as an outsider not knowing the organization nor the
 organizational relationships here, so please enlighten me.


The LKML is _the_ means of communication among kernel developers.  All
info, all questions and all patches funnel through it.  And yes, it has
more than its share of flame wars.

Linus himself will readily speak his mind whenever he sees anyone doing
something stupid.  And changing the kernel to break innocent applications
in user-space is a sure-fire way to press his button.

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Re: [PLUG] Linus is mad at a kernel maintainer

[Ali Corbin]

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Denis Heidtmann
denis.heidtm...@gmail.comwrote:


 I repeat that I do not know the organizational relationships.  Are
 this guys paid or are they volunteers?  If they are paid, why not
 silently fire a guy if he is as incompetent as Linus makes him out to
 be?  Or is Linus exaggerating?

 They are not paid.  Not by Linus at least.  Most get paid to write code
for the companies that employ them, and write linux code in their spare
time.  A few actually are paid to work on linux, by companies that see
value in supporting the OS.  They're the ones with really good reputations.

It's an interesting 'organization'.  Anyone can join it and anyone can
submit patches.  You gain cred by submitting good code.

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Re: [PLUG] question on ergonometric mice

[Ali Corbin]

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 3:42 PM, website reader website.read...@gmail.comwrote:


 Can anyone who uses an ergo mouse let me know how well they are
 working out?  Obviously the present mouse I am using had to go.


I also acquired wrist problems years ago.  I switched first to a touchpad,
and then to a trackball.  I used the Logitec Trackman Marble for over a
decade, and loved it.  Great big optical ball that can be manipulated with
the fingers, and buttons that sit right next to your thumb and ring
finger.  Three potential problems though.  It's right-handed only, they
don't make it anymore, and if you do find it, it comes only with a ps2
connector.

Now I'm using the Kensington Expert Mouse.  Same big ball, similar
wristpad, and has a scroll-ring to boot.  The buttons aren't quite as
nicely accessible though.

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Re: [PLUG] Touch screen experience

[Ali Corbin]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Wayne E. Van Loon Sr.
w...@pacifier.comwrote:

 Russell Senior wrote:
  Wayne == Wayne E Van Loon w...@pacifier.com writes:
 
 
  Wayne Anybody successfully or unsuccessfully interfaced a touch
  Wayne screen to a Linux box (non laptop).
 
  I am sure *someone* has, since all android phones are non-laptop linux
  boxes.  ;-)
 
  Which touch screen are you looking at?
 



 I have not selected one yet. My thought was to see if there was one that
 someone was able to get working without too much of a hassle or what
 problems kept them from getting it to work.

 I would kind of like to keep my screen resolution up in the range of
 previous projects, 1920 x 1080. I see that Newegg has a few, Planar, HP,
 and Viewsonic. None of them claim to be LED backlit. I've had the
 florescent backlit screens die and hope that LED backlit would have much
 longer life.

 I'm still working on the big picture. There is a kernel module??? Some
 sort of changes in xorg.conf??? Most of the information I've come upon
 utilizes the UART serial port and XFree86 , I would guess that is out of
 date.

 I'd love to know physically how the touch-screen works - what happens
 when the screen is touched - what data is transmitted through the USB
 connection, etc.  Still googling around looking.

 Just saw the response from Scott Garman. Will check that out.

 Thanks
 Wayne

 Typically, the touchscreen is run through X, which sees it as a
combination of a monitor and mousy thing.  You paint stuff on the screen
and the touches come back as mouse clicks.

Of course, what you really want to do is to use your favorite widget
toolkit and it will handle both the painting of the screen and the
touchscreen clicks.

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Re: [PLUG] Print Tiling

[Ali Corbin]

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Richard C. Steffens rst...@comcast.netwrote:

 Not sure if tiling is the right term, but I'm looking for a tool to take
 a large image (114 x 27) and print it in pieces to be taped together.
 Is there such a facility in any of open source tools folks here use?


You could probably use ImageMagick's  convert -crop.
You'd probably have to do it in a loop, er, uh, two loops, incrementing x
and y separately.
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Re: [PLUG] Directory Mode Keeps Changing

[Ali Corbin]

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.comwrote:

   All the tools and applications I build locally are in /opt. Because
 top-level directories are owned by root.root I change the mode of /opt to
 777 so I can download files to it, move files to it, etc.

   For some reason beyond my understanding, the permissions keep changing
 back to 755. I downloaded an application upgrade about a half-hour ago
 after
 needing to change the mode to 777; just tried to download the latest
 postgres and the directory was 755 again.

   What might cause this?

 Rich

It might well have been the application you loaded.  Some packages will set
the permissions to what they think they should be.  You can look at the
package manifest it you like.  (rpm -qlv, for rpm-based distros)
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Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu release party Sat night.

[Ali Corbin]

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:40 PM, John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.netwrote:


 I have used Gnome all my Linux life, originally on Ubuntu and now on
 Fedora. I have KDE installed, but every time I try it I find it not to
 my taste. However, Fedora 15 came out with Gnome 3, and from what I
 have seen on the live CD I am not going to like it at all. I am still
 running Fedora 14 so as not to have to deal with Gnome 3, but soon I
 will be semi-forced to upgrade, as Fedora only supports the current and
 one release back, and Fedora 16 will be coming out soon.

 I am planning on spending some time in KDE to see if I can tweak it to
 my liking. Hint: I hate icons and I want my desktop utterly clear, not
 even wallpaper.


I'm the opposite.  I've used KDE forever, even on redhat/fedora/RHEL/CentOS
distros, where the default was always gnome.  For a while I'd try gnome
after each upgrade, but always find something that I couldn't configure to
my liking and switch back to KDE.

Then came KDE4, with lots of bells and whistles.  I managed, with the help
of google, to remove the icons from my desktop.  But I couldn't get rid of
these little translucent nutty cashew thingies, and if I accidentally
clicked on one then odd things would happen.  And I could no longer
configure the keyboard the way I wanted.  In KDE!

So I bailed.  Back to gnome, but only until I'd installed lxde on the box.
Now I'm a happy camper again.

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Re: [PLUG] CentOS/RHEL multimedia setup

[Ali Corbin]

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Galen Seitz gal...@seitzassoc.com wrote:

 Has anyone here configured CentOS for multimedia playback as per these
 instructions?
 http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/MultimediaOnCentOS

 If so, did you install the priorities plugin?  Did you configure a
 particular priority for RPMforge repository?

 thanks,
 galen


I installed a batch of multi-media applications on my centos5 box a number
of years ago.  I don't think that I used that particular page to help with
the process.  (It may well have been before it was written.)  In any event,
I didn't install the priorities plugin.  (Didn't know that it existed.)  And
in time I did have problems with the rpmforge repo serving up rpms that were
newer than what the centos repos had, and that caused dependency problems.
 I ended up disabling the rpmforge repo.

I've since switched to centos6.  I did find that page this time around, and
cut and paste chunks out of it to install what needed to be installed.  But
I still didn't install the priorities plugin.  And thus far, I haven't
needed it.  I installed centos6 and rpmforge-release in back in July, and
they've been playing nicely together ever since.

With that said, I'm not sure that I've seen an update from rpmforge in that
time.  I've seen plenty from centos, particularly after I installed the cr
repo.  It might be that centos6 is keeping up enough to stay ahead of
rpmforge.

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Re: [PLUG] determine OS bitness for remote servers

[Ali Corbin]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Daniel Herrington 
dherring...@robertmarktech.com wrote:

 Does anyone know a way to do a scan of a remote server to get the bitness?

 I tried nmap -O but the output does not say if it's 64 or 32 bit.

 A linux server?

I always grep /proc/cpuinfo for 'lm'

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Re: [PLUG] Spamcannibal MakeMaker mess...

[Ali Corbin]

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Michael C. Robinson 
plu...@robinson-west.com wrote:

 ...
 True that perl is a dependency for many things, but Redhat is so slow to
 upgrade perl and so many bugs are getting squashed that it is downright
 scary to stick with the stock 5.8.8.
 ...

If you were to take a gander at perl's changelog, you might notice that
redhat doesn't stick with the stock 5.8.8 either.  They cherry pick the
fixes, and particularly the security fixes, from the newer releases and
backport them into the version that they support.
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Re: [PLUG] RHEL, CentOS, SL

[Ali Corbin]

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Keith Lofstrom kei...@kl-ic.com wrote:

 I run Scientific Linux, SL, a Red Hat Enterprise Linux clone.
 The most widely used clone of RHEL is CentOS, but there may be
 troubles in that community.  We are getting about 5 refugees a
 day from CentOS showing up on our mailing list and forums.

 Any CentOS users here?  I'm hoping the tales of woe are
 overblown, and CentOS is still healthy and moving forwards.
 If something happens to SL, I would rather not have RHEL as
 the only practical alternative.

 Keith

 I sure hope that it's still viable.  But then, they do seem to be having
problems getting centos6 out the door.

Granted, they were a bit overloaded when redhat released both rhel6 and
rhel56 at pretty much the same time.  At the time they made the conscious
decision to focus their efforts on 56, to keep existing users up to date
with security fixes, rather than on 60, which had no existing users.  My
impression is that these people are overworked and underpaid.  Heck, they're
not paid at all!

With that said, I've got a brand-spanking-new box under my desk, waiting
(im)patiently for centos60 to be released.  From what I hear, it's been
built and went to QA the day before yesterday.  So I should be able to get
it Any Day Now.

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Re: [PLUG] What's missing from my Firefox?

[Ali Corbin]

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 6:50 PM, John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.netwrote:

 Firefox 3.6.17 on Fedora 14 x86_64, everything up to date.

 I am finding that Firefox cannot find pages on certain links. It
 appears that the link that Firefox cannot find is a link that ends
 in .asp, not that I have any ken what .asp means. For example, go here:

 http://corpus.byu.edu/coca/

 In the column to the left there are question marks for several of the
 items. Hovering over the question mark reveals that the link ends
 in .asp. Every one of them results in an Atlanta error.

 Using Opera all the links work as expected. Apparently Opera can handle
 links ending in .asp, while Firefox cannot.

 What do I need to add to Firefox to make it work with these links?


The links work fine for me.  Also firefox 3.6.17, but on centos i386.

And I most definitely did not install any plugins to handle active server
pages.  Maybe it's a bug in the 64-bit firefox?

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Re: [PLUG] Qwest the Qwerst.

[Ali Corbin]

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Ken Stephens k...@cad2cam.com wrote:

 Pete Lancashire wrote:
  looks ok from here did a telnet from withing qwest to gmail
 
  -pete
 
  On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Ken Stephensk...@cad2cam.com  wrote:
 
  Looks like Qwest has blocked outgoing port 25 so if you are not sending
email (;-)), change your outgoing mail port to 587, at least if you
  are going to aracnet/spiritone mail servers.  YMMV with other ISPs.
 
  Ken
  Cad2Cam.com
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 [kens@atlas ~]$ telnet mail.aracnet.com 25
 Trying 216.99.193.7...
 telnet: connect to address 216.99.193.7: Connection timed out
 [kens@atlas ~]$

 Interestingly enough, having connections time out was the first hint that
my DSL modem was going south.
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Re: [PLUG] Firefox Question

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On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote:
 On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, nat...@nathanewilliams.com wrote:

 not a direct answer to the question, but a suggestion for maybe a better
 way of doing it. F6 will select the address bar, and then you just type
 desired destination to replace the current value.

 nathan,

   While not quite as convenient for us touch-typists, that will work.

While I'm used to typing ctrl-L to move to the address bar, and then
backspace to clear it.
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Re: [PLUG] Fedora, K6-2, and LFS...

[Ali Corbin]

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Michael C. Robinson
plu...@robinson-west.com wrote:

 4: Is there a way to get compiles to optimize for a K6-2 without
   compiling on a K6-2?  I have a quad core AMD Phenom II handy.

Yes, just set it in make menuconfig

  │ Symbol: MK6 [=n]
  │ Prompt: K6/K6-II/K6-III
  │   Defined at arch/i386/Kconfig.cpu:115
  │   Depends on: choice
  │   Location:
  │ - Processor type and features
  │   - Processor family (choice [=y])

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Re: [PLUG] Resolve.conf issue

[Ali Corbin]

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 12:25 PM, William Morita wamor...@gmail.com wrote:
 Group

 I am running CentOS 5, with current updates
 I changed ISPs and have not been able to change the name servers using
 system-control-network.
 Currently I must manually update resolv.conf to get things working.

 I have shutdown networking and restarted, I even have rebooted
 but the changes in system-control-network do not show up in resolv.conf
 My manual changes to resolv.conf get overwritten by the old values
 that had been in system-control-network on reboot.


This sounds familiar.  I had the same problem some time back.  I
_think_ that I solved it by adding:
  PEERDNS=no
to /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ifcfg-eth0

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Re: [PLUG] First quad core system...

[Ali Corbin]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Michael C. Robinson
plu...@robinson-west.com wrote:

 There is a way to run 32 bit software on a 64 bit platform???

Your fedora 64bit distro should have come with a selection of 32bit
libraries, enough to support the 32bit apps that they think you might
want to run.  If they missed some that your apps need, then you can
always get them with yum, as in:
   yum install libfoo.i386

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Re: [PLUG] CentOS upgrade trouble...

[Ali Corbin]

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Michael C. Robinson
plu...@robinson-west.com wrote:
 I'm having trouble getting spamcannibal working, so I decided to upgrade
 from 4.6 Final to 5.5 Final.  A strange issue has popped up.  When I go
 to restart the network interfaces I get a SIOCADDRT network is
 unreachable error.  What having to do with an upgrade would cause this?
 Oddly enough, networking seems to be working just fine despite the
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Wow!  I didn't think it was possible to upgrade between major versions
of RHEL/Centos.  It certainly isn't supported.

My guess is that you ended up with an older config file that conflicts
with a newer rpm.  Look at your *.rpmsave's and *.rpmnew's for things
that look different from your config files.  Then read the newly
installed man pages for those to see what to fix.

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Re: [PLUG] Local Linux/Unix Groups/Businesses

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On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote:

 Nathan,

   It looks very good. However, I urge you to change the text color to black
 (or a very dark grey) to increase the contrast against the white background.
 What you have might be perfectly clear and readable to young eyes, but not
 to older ones. Regardless of application (web pages, presentations) always
 chose high contrast between background and text (and avoid dark backgrounds,
 too).

 Rich

Seconded.
I tend to avoid sites that I can't read.
If need be I can use stylish to fix such sites, if there's something
worth reading there.   But that means I have to go through extra
effort just to read it the first time.
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Re: [PLUG] KDE apps on Gnome

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On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 10:39 AM, John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net wrote:
 Fedora 11 x86_64, up to date, with Gnome desktop.

 Everything works, including the KDE apps that I have installed.
 However, the window menu font in the KDE apps is too large - nearly
 twice the size of the window menu font in other applications. By window
 font I mean the font used for File, Edit, View, and other
 app-specific menus. The title bar is using the same font as other apps,
 so the window manager (Metacity) appears to be doing its job. For some
 reason the KDE apps are ignoring the Gnome settings for default
 application menu font.

 I have looked everywhere for a control panel for KDE, but cannot find
 it. Of course, why would there be a KDE control panel when I am using
 Gnome? Maybe the installation of the KDE apps failed to add something
 needed to control the KDE application menu display.

 Any suggestions welcome.

On my centos box /usr/bin/kcontrol was provided by  kdebase.

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Re: [PLUG] USB Camera

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On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Marvin Kosmal mkos...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi...

 I have this new computer and Fedora 12...

 Just tried to use my camera...

 The computer/OS does not recognize it

 I used to plugging it in and having the box/OS recognize it..

 NOT so..

 Where do I start looking?

 TIA

 Marvin

I'd start with the log files.

as root:
tail -f /var/log/messages

Then plug the camera in and turn it on and see what you get.

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Re: [PLUG] Crossover Linux Standard and MS Word 2003...

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Michael Robinson
plu...@robinson-west.com wrote:
 I have a doc file from

 http://www.mth.pdx.edu/%7Emara/Stat%20451%20%20Solutions%205%20F%
 202009.doc

 that looks like garbage on my CentOS 5.x system in MS Word 2003 run
 through Crossover Linux Standard, possibly version 7.1.0.

 I have installed msttcorefonts, didn't make a difference.  Do I need
 a newer version of crossover?  Is there a fonts package I can install
 to fix this?


Do you happen to have OO installed?  Because the doc looks perfectly fine
on the OO 2.3.0 that I have installed on my centos 5.4 box.
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Re: [PLUG] CentOS kernel update puzzle regard grub.conf default kernel

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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Galen Seitz gal...@seitzassoc.com wrote:
 I have two CentOS 5 machines that I just updated to 5.4.  On both
 machines the new kernel was inserted into the top of the list in
 grub.conf.  However, on one machine the default line in grub.conf was
 changed such that the old kernel would boot by default.  On the other,
 default was left at 0 so the new kernel would boot.  This is not the
 first time I've seen this behavior.  What controls whether the default
 gets changed on a kernel update?  I can't think of anything I would
 have done that would cause these two machines to behave differently.

 thanks,
 galen

It's looking for a template - an existing entry in grub.conf that's
pretty darn close
to the kernel that's being installed.  I think that 'close enough'
involves having
the same title (should be CentOS) the same-ish version (better be
2.6.18-something)
and the same xenedness and PAEness.
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Re: [PLUG] Web file transfer site recommendations

[Ali Corbin]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:55 PM, John Jason Jordanjoh...@comcast.net wrote:
...

 As a workaround, I am looking for web-based file storage sites. All I
 have found so far are unacceptable.

 Does anyone know of such a site (free) that does not require an e-mail
 address so they can spam me forever with requests that I upgrade to a
 for-pay account?

It looks like you've already joined the googleverse.  Have you looked
at creating a public google site?
 http://sites.google.com/
Ali
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Re: [PLUG] Google Developers Favor vi over emacs

[Ali Corbin]

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Paul Heinleinheinl...@madboa.com wrote:

 Very, very nice. Now if there were a shortcut for going to the next
 page of results...

 --

I used to use the NextPlease extension to provide just such a shortcut.

But now, being even lazier, I use AutoPager.  Merely scrolling down
towards the bottom of the page grabs the next page-worth of content
and appends it to the page you're looking at.

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Re: [PLUG] fire fox

[Ali Corbin]

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 12:43 PM, linux-yug linux-...@xprt.net wrote:
 Hi

 I am using FireFox

 There used to be a setting somewhere so I could make Firefox become IE6
 to the site it was visiting..

 I can't find that setting now???

The user agent switcher extension will let you masquerade as different
browsers.
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Re: [PLUG] Red Alert CC I...

[Ali Corbin]

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Heath Morrison he...@doublemarked.com wrote:
 If you really need to get a fresher package into CentOS, the easiest thing
 to do is to grab the package from the Fedora repository.

 -Heath

There is also EPEL ( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL ), who
repackage fedora packages for rhel/centos.
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Re: [PLUG] CentOS and RHEL 5

[Ali Corbin]

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Daniel Herrington
dherring...@robertmarktech.com wrote:
 Next question is, does anyone know of a SUSE SLES  comparable/


Nope.
At least there wasn't a de-branded distro of SLES when I was looking
for one a year ago.
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Re: [PLUG] A challenge...

[Ali Corbin]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Michael Robinson
plu...@robinson-west.com wrote:
 I think you guys are missing the whole point of the challenge.  The
 challenge is to replace TurboTax with a Linux based tax preparation
 program.  Talking about whether or not TurboTax online works and
 how to do your taxes with a stone chisel or chickens misses the
 point.  I would like to see some discussion on how to get a project
 going to write a tax preparation program for Linux.  Yeah there should
 be a Windows version too, so maybe Java and/or LISP should be used.
 I'm curious why people talk about whether or not TurboTax online works
 and not about what it would take to replace it with a Linux compatible
 program?

 How do you get a project started on sourceforge?

 Who wants to join me?

 What will a sourceforge project cost?

 I don't know about anyone else on here, but I don't want to be forced
 to run Vista or Windows 7 to do my taxes.  First off, I don't have
 anything better than a P4 with 512 megs of ram.  Second off, I'd
 rather not do my taxes by hand as e-filing is much nicer.

Every few years someone tries to start up an open-source tax
preparation project.  It may sputter along for a month or two, but in
the end it always dies.

There are a number of reasons for this.

One possibility is that tax software just isn't sexy enough.  There
are many other projects that are much more fun to work on.

Or the challenge of maintenance is just too high.  Not only do the
programmers have to understand the entirety of the tax statutes to
write the initial package, but they have to update it, every single
year, or it quickly becomes useless.  And to be a complete and useful
package, it would also have to be able to handle the state taxes too,
for every state that has an income tax.  And, yes, those packages
would have to be updated yearly as well.

But I think the main reason that the idea never flies is that the open
source community is so global.  A typical open-source project has
members working on 2 or 3 continents.  And income tax is by its very
nature very localized.  And quite frankly, the vast majority of the
open-source community doesn't give a hoot about US income tax.

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Re: [PLUG] Linux Box For Old Lady?

[Ali Corbin]

On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Chaz Sliger c...@bctonline.com wrote:
 I need to set up a system for my 88 year old mother-in-law.

When my 80-something year old mother's windows box died, my brother
got her a new box and put Suse on it, running (I think) KDE.

Probably any combination of distro and window manager will work,
provided that you go in and configure the interface for her, sticking
the icons for the things she wants where she can get at them easily.

Actually, you might want to do an auto-start thing, so that a browser
and email client will come up automatically.

Ali
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