Re: [PLUG] Another reason to NOT buy HP

[Tom]

I buy HP printers/scanners exclusively because of their trouble free
Linux support. In order to save on consumables later (after cca. 2050),
I have chosen enterprise (not customer) printer/scanner; thus trading
the cost of the printer for the price of the consumables. In my case it
is zero cost game, saving me the shopping trip to buy
printers/consumables. 

Given the low number of print out pages per year, I do not expect to
run out of toner before 2050, some time after my departure from this
world!

Tomas


On Sun, 2016-09-25 at 15:52 -0700, Vedanta Teacher wrote:
> I had a similar problem with MS turning off my Word and Office
> functions by remote after I had purchased a full licence & demanding
> blackmail,  er.. more money to turn the software back on.
> What it came down to for me was this:
> If I write something in MS Word who owns the intellectual property
> rights? I think MS does. So, I switched to Libre Office.
> 
> Blessings,
> Paul W
> 
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Rich Shepard <
> rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 24 Sep 2016, King Beowulf wrote:
> > 
> > > > HP just made it impossible to use third-party ink in its
> > > > printers
> > > --snip---
> > 
> > > Also, over the decades, I've had mixed experiences with 3rd-party
> > > ink.
> > > For lasers, in an FDA CGMP regulated pharmaceutical lab, HP
> > > cartridges
> > > on good archival paper were always superior. The front office
> > > used
> > > cheaper generics where the fused ink tended to flake off the
> > > page. For
> > > inkjets, generic cartridges tended to clog more often and the ink
> > > tended
> > > to bleed on the page.
> > 
> >FWIW, I buy refilled HP laser cartridges for both the LJ-5
> > monochome
> > and 2550L
> > color at Cartridge World and they've all worked great for me. My
> > inkjet
> > experience (with an large format HP deskjet) was not happy because
> > I used
> > it
> > infrequently and the print heads would clog. Heads and color
> > cartridges
> > were
> > separate and cost $75 each; that's an expensive replacement cost.
> > 
> >Ed's correct that many of us print infrequently. I'll stick with
> > my old
> > HP
> > laser printers as long as I can.
> > 
> > Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Another reason to NOT buy HP

[Vedanta Teacher]

I had a similar problem with MS turning off my Word and Office
functions by remote after I had purchased a full licence & demanding
blackmail,  er.. more money to turn the software back on.
What it came down to for me was this:
If I write something in MS Word who owns the intellectual property
rights? I think MS does. So, I switched to Libre Office.

Blessings,
Paul W

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Sep 2016, King Beowulf wrote:
>
> >> HP just made it impossible to use third-party ink in its printers
> > --snip---
>
> > Also, over the decades, I've had mixed experiences with 3rd-party ink.
> > For lasers, in an FDA CGMP regulated pharmaceutical lab, HP cartridges
> > on good archival paper were always superior. The front office used
> > cheaper generics where the fused ink tended to flake off the page. For
> > inkjets, generic cartridges tended to clog more often and the ink tended
> > to bleed on the page.
>
>FWIW, I buy refilled HP laser cartridges for both the LJ-5 monochome
> and 2550L
> color at Cartridge World and they've all worked great for me. My inkjet
> experience (with an large format HP deskjet) was not happy because I used
> it
> infrequently and the print heads would clog. Heads and color cartridges
> were
> separate and cost $75 each; that's an expensive replacement cost.
>
>Ed's correct that many of us print infrequently. I'll stick with my old
> HP
> laser printers as long as I can.
>
> Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Another reason to NOT buy HP

[Rich Shepard]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016, King Beowulf wrote:

>> HP just made it impossible to use third-party ink in its printers
> --snip---

> Also, over the decades, I've had mixed experiences with 3rd-party ink.
> For lasers, in an FDA CGMP regulated pharmaceutical lab, HP cartridges
> on good archival paper were always superior. The front office used
> cheaper generics where the fused ink tended to flake off the page. For
> inkjets, generic cartridges tended to clog more often and the ink tended
> to bleed on the page.

   FWIW, I buy refilled HP laser cartridges for both the LJ-5 monochome and 
2550L
color at Cartridge World and they've all worked great for me. My inkjet
experience (with an large format HP deskjet) was not happy because I used it
infrequently and the print heads would clog. Heads and color cartridges were
separate and cost $75 each; that's an expensive replacement cost.

   Ed's correct that many of us print infrequently. I'll stick with my old HP
laser printers as long as I can.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Another reason to NOT buy HP

[King Beowulf]

On 09/24/2016 02:54 AM, jim karlock wrote:
> from: 
> http://www.zdnet.com/article/hp-just-made-it-impossible-to-use-third-party-ink-in-its-printers/
> 
> 
> HP just made it impossible to use third-party ink in its printers
> 
> HP silently disabled the ability to use third-party printer ink 
> cartridges in its HP Officejet printer lines.
> 
--snip---

Yes and no re: purchase of HP printers. I find that HP has historically
provided excellent Linux support via HPLIP and CUPS.  I would hate to
give that up.  print-scan-fax with GUI push button ease is nice.

Also, over the decades, I've had mixed experiences with 3rd-party ink.
For lasers, in an FDA CGMP regulated pharmaceutical lab, HP cartridges
on good archival paper were always superior. The front office used
cheaper generics where the fused ink tended to flake off the page. For
inkjets, generic cartridges tended to clog more often and the ink tended
to bleed on the page.

So to save $17, I should buy a new printer, and donate the old one to
Free Geek? Use cheap ink for my archival photopaper? No thanks.

And how much do we REALLY print these days?  If its for a job, that's a
business expense so the final cartridge cost is $0.  I haven't paid
out-of-pocket for ink in nearly 9 years.  If it's for home, use the best
materials for archival grade storage.  Digital degrades, etc, but good
paper and ink lasts millennia.

Then again there is this:
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/Landing/ecotank-super-tank-printers.do?ref=van:us-ecotank

No ink needed for up to 2 yrs, no ink cartridges to replace, but these
printers aren't cheap starting at $300 or so.  Epson has a spotty record
for Linux drivers and support.

Just my 2 cents,
-Ed

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[PLUG] Another reason to NOT buy HP

[jim karlock]

from: 
http://www.zdnet.com/article/hp-just-made-it-impossible-to-use-third-party-ink-in-its-printers/


HP just made it impossible to use third-party ink in its printers

HP silently disabled the ability to use third-party printer ink 
cartridges in its HP Officejet printer lines.

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It's an old business model. You sell razors cheaply and then you make 
your profit from selling expensive blades. 
Hewlett-Packard (HP), and other printer 
companies, have been using the 
razor/blade 
model for years. Now, they've taken it to a new level. HP, according 
to the Dutch ink seller, 123inkt.nl, is 
deliberately making it impossible for you to use refurbished ink 
cartridges in HP 
Officejet printers.

The ink in this HP printer costs more than any other element within it.

Guess what? They're right.

While HP took its time getting back to me, I tried a third-party ink 
cartridge in my 
HP
 
OfficeJet Pro 8610. Sure enough, it didn't work. Instead, I was 
informed that the ink cartridge was damaged. I was unable to print a 
single page.

Since then, HP has gotten back to me. The company's official statement said:

Beginning in 2015, HP implemented updates to the firmware related to 
the security chip in HP OfficeJet, OfficeJet Pro and OfficeJet Pro X 
printers that maintains secure communications between the cartridge 
and the printer. The purpose of this update is to protect HP's 
innovations and intellectual property. These printers will continue 
to work with refilled or re-manufactured cartridges with an Original 
HP security chip. Other cartridges may not function. In many cases 
this functionality was installed in the HP printer and in some cases 
it has been implemented as part of an update to the printer's firmware.

Innovations? Intellectual property? It's a printer, not a nuclear submarine.

What HP really wants, of course, is to make more money.

This is not the first time, not will it be the last, that HP has gone 
after companies offering users a cheap deal on printer ink.

More than a decade ago, HP, Epson, and Canon were all trying to use 
smart
 
chips to keep users from using refilled ink cartridges. Since then, 
HP has 
sued 
companies for violating their printer cartridges patents.

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