Re: [PLUG] The end of Mint KDE edition

2018-05-12 Thread Rich Shepard

On Sat, 12 May 2018, Dave Lien - W7DAL wrote:

Thanks for the comments. I came up the same route with Red Hat, Mandrake, 
SUSE, Slackware and a dozen others along the way. But currently recommend 
MINT to newbies since it is hassle-free to install and update, looks a lot 
like windows (yea I know...) and meets the needs of almost everyone at that 
end of the learning curve. Their needs are simple and straightforward.


Dave,

  I first used fvwm2 as the linux X window manager; it was too much like M$
and I quickly found Xfce which I've used since then. For me, computers are
tools: means to an end, not an end in themselves.

  Slackware installations and upgrades continue to be 'hassle-free' as long
as one reads and follows the directions.

I still miss the command line days of MSDOS and LDOS so relate to those who 
prefer it in Linux.


  Having used 80-column Hollerith punch cards for S/360 FORTRAN code and JCL
(Job Control Language) system commands, punched tape on DEC VAXes, and the
command line on Primes and other mini-computers it's more efficient for me
(a touch-typist thanks to Army Intelligence School training during the
Vietnam war).


But the overwhelming percent of Linux users are probably looking for the
simplest and most effective way to get their job done with the least
amount of hassle.


  This can be the command line or the graphical interface. Both are
effective and likely depend more on how one grew up. Those too young to have
used typewriters (electric or manual) and know only their pocket computers
(a/k/a 'smartphones') prefer pictures. Each to their own taste. Linux offers
choices (sometimes too many) whereas Microsoft and Apple offer none to a
few.


Now that there is lots of relevant high-volume end user software available
IMHO that's the only way Linux will accelerate its acceptance...


  I think this holds true regardless of the underlying system distribution.
On many end-user mail lists (e.g., GnuCash) the most cries for help come
from those running some flavor of windoze or a ubuntu. I've a friend who
knows very little about computers but she's been running Slackware with Xfce
on her laptops for many years now. Of course, this makes it real easy for me
to keep it upgraded and security patched. Virtually every issue she
encounters comes from the the fingers on top of the keyboard, not the system
itself.

Carpe weekend,

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] The end of Mint KDE edition

2018-05-12 Thread Dave Lien - W7DAL

Rich-

Thanks for the comments. I came up the same route with Red Hat, 
Mandrake, SUSE, Slackware and a dozen others along the way. But 
currently recommend MINT to newbies since it is hassle-free to install 
and update, looks a lot like windows (yea I know...) and meets the needs 
of almost everyone at that end of the learning curve. Their needs are 
simple and straightforward.


I still miss the command line days of MSDOS and LDOS so relate to those 
who prefer it in Linux. But the overwhelming percent of Linux users are 
probably looking for the simplest and most effective way to get their 
job done with the least amount of hassle. Now that there is lots of 
relevant high-volume end user software available IMHO that's the only 
way Linux will accelerate its acceptance...


Best ... Dave.


On 5/12/2018 5:57 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:

On Fri, 11 May 2018, Dave Lien - W7DAL wrote:

QUESTION: What is so unique about some of the other old major Linux 
lines

that make them so important to some users? Or is is mostly a matter of
habit and not wanting to change?


Dave,

  Starting in 1997 I ran Red Hat 4.0 through 7.0 but tired of the upgrade
dependencies hassles. In 2003 I switched to Slackware-8.0 and have no 
need

nor interest in changing. There are many reasons for my decision. Some of
them are:

  - Stays way back from the bleeding edge for all system components,
    including the kernel.

  - Provides complete, unmodified kernels; no distribution-specific 
tweaks.


  - All tool and application packages are complete. That is, there is no
    separate 'dev' package with header files and whatever else not 
included

    in the base package.

  - Runs on everything from Atom processors to IBM S/90 mainframes (which
    affects me at only the desktop/portable level). Supports both 32- and
    64-bit processors.

  - Can be installed on servers without the X Window System.

  - The distribution is complete as an operating system and hundreds of
    additional files are available from www.slackbuilds.org all in the 
same

    tarball format as the files on the distribution DVD.

  - Great support on linuxquestions.org.

  - Just works(TM), and easy to use for those of us who favor a CLI 
over a

    GUI.

HTH,

Rich

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