Re: [PLUG] Neo 900
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Re: [PLUG] An apology needed? - was [Re: Wanted: handheld data collection device with Linux OS]
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 1:26 PM Richard Owlett wrote: > > I know I have *WEIRD* preferences. > > How should I pose questions in a manner that they would be taken > _ *EXTREMELY LITERALLY* _? You should pose it knowing that you may get answers that don't fit perfectly. You are responsible for wading through the responses and extracting the value you can. They may be the best answers available from the people you are asking. Learn to live with that. -- Russell Senior russ...@personaltelco.net ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Neo900
A cell phone without a sim card has no cell network connectivity. On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 4:18 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > On 11/12/2018 11:36 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: > > It was probably mentioned her before - Purism is working on their Librem > 5 > > smartphone. That one should be pretty open and free out of the box. > > > > That is perhaps the easiest and the only free user serving smartphone > since > > the failed Ubuntu phones. > > > > Check it out at https://puri.sm/ > > > > Maybe that is what you are looking for. > > > > Tomas > > If I ever become interested in a "smartphone", I would investigate > further. Recall one of my specifications was " *no* cell network > connectivity". > > My use cases would described as "a relatively dumb handheld data > collection device". > > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] rsync: worked once now perms error [RESOLVED]
On 11/13/18 2:03 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Rich Shepard wrote: Yesterday rsync copied ~/ from the current desktop (salmo) to the new desktop (baetis) using this command from ~/ on the new desktop: rsync -av salmo: . I gave up trying to find a reason for this behavior and re-ran ssh-keygen, ssh-agent, and ssh-add. Now rsync is transferring files from the old desktop to the new one. Perhaps this will stick. Is it possible that your old system overwrote the keys from old system during the first sync? If so, that would explain a lot, and you would have the same happen again after this run completes. dafr ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] rsync: worked once now perms error [RESOLVED]
On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Rich Shepard wrote: Yesterday rsync copied ~/ from the current desktop (salmo) to the new desktop (baetis) using this command from ~/ on the new desktop: rsync -av salmo: . I gave up trying to find a reason for this behavior and re-ran ssh-keygen, ssh-agent, and ssh-add. Now rsync is transferring files from the old desktop to the new one. Perhaps this will stick. There are still wierd things going on, such as root being the only user allowed to mount a usb flash drive that authorizes 'users' in fstab. Will work on this as time permits. Thanks everyone, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] An apology needed? - was [Re: Wanted: handheld data collection device with Linux OS]
No offense taken. I have worked as a test engineer in multiple areas and as a software engineer including doing some embedded development. I typically get requirements for the task to be accomplished and some idea of budget. With that information I craft a design or select hardware for a hardware/software solution. >From my projects, I have always needed to have some level of connectivity. For remote field collection of data, I would still want external connectivity such that the data collected wout automatically transfer when connected to the network. For long term collection; internet of things or custom solutions use mesh networks with points of upload via cell networks or satellite. Data collection is more about the data than how it is collected or on what OS platform. The bigger issue would be making sure the data is transferable and in a readability format. The list tries to assist with your request and requirements. When we cannot find exactly what is required, we pose possible alternatives. Not knowing the underlying requirements sometimes gets you responses that go far a field. On Tue, Nov 13, 2018, 1:20 PM Richard Owlett I know I have *WEIRD* preferences. > > How should I pose questions in a manner that they would be taken > _ *EXTREMELY LITERALLY* _? > > TIA > > On 11/13/2018 12:04 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > On 11/13/2018 11:25 AM, Larry Brigman wrote: > >> > >> The retail market is Android or iPhone these days. > > > > So what? Consumers are sheep herded by Madison Ave. > > > > I can not be the only one looking for something very similar. > > Other wise there would not be so many crowdfunding projects that only > > failure was being available for too short a time span. > > I.E. I find out about them too late. > > > > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] An apology needed? - was [Re: Wanted: handheld data collection device with Linux OS]
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 9:20 PM Richard Owlett wrote: > I know I have *WEIRD* preferences. > > How should I pose questions in a manner that they would be taken > _ *EXTREMELY LITERALLY* _? > > TIA > > I think that is not possible. If your questions are so well posed that they need no interpretation then google will answer them fine. If a person needs to interpret your question then you will get at least as many interpretations as people that read it. Questions often have compiler or run time bugs that need to be fixed before they can be answered. BIll ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] An apology needed? - was [Re: Wanted: handheld data collection device with Linux OS]
If I were in your shoes, I would preface all my requests with a disclaimer along the lines of "I realize I may be the only person in the world looking to meet this particular set of requirements." It doesn't hurt to ask. Helpful people don't like to give up, they want to try to provide you something that is sorta close which may work for your needs. -wes On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 1:23 PM Richard Owlett wrote: > I know I have *WEIRD* preferences. > > How should I pose questions in a manner that they would be taken > _ *EXTREMELY LITERALLY* _? > > TIA > > On 11/13/2018 12:04 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > On 11/13/2018 11:25 AM, Larry Brigman wrote: > >> > >> The retail market is Android or iPhone these days. > > > > So what? Consumers are sheep herded by Madison Ave. > > > > I can not be the only one looking for something very similar. > > Other wise there would not be so many crowdfunding projects that only > > failure was being available for too short a time span. > > I.E. I find out about them too late. > > > > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] An apology needed? - was [Re: Wanted: handheld data collection device with Linux OS]
I know I have *WEIRD* preferences. How should I pose questions in a manner that they would be taken _ *EXTREMELY LITERALLY* _? TIA On 11/13/2018 12:04 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 11/13/2018 11:25 AM, Larry Brigman wrote: The retail market is Android or iPhone these days. So what? Consumers are sheep herded by Madison Ave. I can not be the only one looking for something very similar. Other wise there would not be so many crowdfunding projects that only failure was being available for too short a time span. I.E. I find out about them too late. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] rsync: worked once now perms error
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 8:56 AM Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 13 Nov 2018, Smith, Cathy wrote: > > > I apologize for intruding. > > Cathy, > >Apologies not necessary. > +1 to this: we just jump in whenever we feel we can be helpful. Occasionally this leads to confusion and chaos, but it's at least entertaining. > > I've been following this conversation and now I'm confused. Is the issue > > the use of keys to lock down access, or the use of rsync in general? > >The issue is that I set up ssh on the new desktop Saturday and it worked > to copy ~/ from the old desktop. Sunday, it failed to copy /opt/ from the > old desktop to the new one because of a permissions error (publickey). > >Also, I cannot ssh from the new desktop to the old one, but can the > other > direction. > > > Have you tried to run the rsync without the use of keys? > >No. I didn't know I could do this. > This is accomplished by re-configuring SSH to allow passwords instead of requiring only keys. > > Are you aware that rsync can be resumed? > >If you mean resuming a partial transfer, yes. If you mean resumeing > working at all, that's what I'm trying to do. > > > If you haven't checked, the perms on the .ssh directory should be 700. > >Yes, ~/.ssh has perms of 700. > Not only that, but the private key file must be mode 600 or ssh will refuse to read it. This is logged, though. -wes ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Wanted: handheld data collection device with Linux OS
On 11/13/2018 11:25 AM, Larry Brigman wrote: The retail market is Android or iPhone these days. So what? Consumers are sheep herded by Madison Ave. I can not be the only one looking for something very similar. Other wise there would not be so many crowdfunding projects that only failure was being available for too short a time span. I.E. I find out about them too late. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Neo900 (was: handheld data collection)
I have not watched any of these vids, so I can't say how apropos the contents are to your search. I do know that one of the devices is kaput (PocketChip). 5 hand held linux computers under 200 compared: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXNllO79_68 Noodle Pi - Linux powered modular PDA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82_bPWyrPFc On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:36 PM Tomas Kuchta wrote: > It was probably mentioned her before - Purism is working on their Librem 5 > smartphone. That one should be pretty open and free out of the box. > > That is perhaps the easiest and the only free user serving smartphone since > the failed Ubuntu phones. > > Check it out at https://puri.sm/ > > Maybe that is what you are looking for. > > Tomas > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2018, 10:30 AM Keith Lofstrom > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 08:43:23PM -0800, Nat Taylor wrote: > > > https://neo900.org/ > > > > The Neo900 sounds fascinating. At $550, I don't need > > another timesink, but if this has a good chance to evolve > > into a useful "smart" phone managed by an open source > > community, I might consider joining the crowdfunding > > effort and committing the time to learn to use the > > device when it "goes beta". > > > > I spent a couple of months fiddling with an Android, > > hoping I could jailbreak it into a device that served > > /me/ rather than serving me to Google's paying customers > > (advertisers, NSA, Palantir, etc.). It was modifying me > > faster than I was modifying it, so I'm back to a > > brickphone for now. > > > > So, I'm /not/ looking for a pseudo-Android, but a window > > into an independent global project dedicated to freedom > > and collaboration, not distraction and consumption. > > > > What are the chances that Neo900 might evolve into this? > > What are the barriers on the way? > > > > Keith > > > > -- > > Keith Lofstrom kei...@keithl.com > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Wanted: handheld data collection device with Linux OS
I think these requirements are about 20+ years too late. Even when there
were PDA devices to they didn't have standard USB connections as the
connector was too large.
The retail market is Android or iPhone these days.
To get something close you would probably need to start searching in the
industrial area. Those devices will be very expensive.
20+ years ago, I set up a data collection system. It used a handheld
terminal with a hardwired serial connection.
The system was driven from screens via database coding.
Adding custom software to any device should be the norm even for Windows
devices. You would just need to learn the SDK to write it yourself.
Devices with cell phone communication are required to have an Airplane mode
to turn the radio off.
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 6:35 AM Richard Owlett
>
> I'm looking for a current production Linux handheld data collection
> device {aka PDA} similar in form and function to a Palm Pilot
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PalmPilot).
>
> A major justification of Linux OS is to allow custom software.
>
> Specification:
>be currently available from U.S. retail vendor.
>have a physical form factor similar to a Palm Pilot
>should have provision for using a USB/Bluetooth connected keyboard.
>be able to read/write a USB flash drive (preferably FAT32 or ext2).
>*no* cell network connectivity .
>must *NOT* be shipped with Android OS
>
> Yes, this thread resembles one from a year ago.
> I'm renewing by search first done a decade ago.
> I kick myself for not having purchased a Palm Pilot back in the day.
>
> My web searches have turned up "we're working on it" type answers and
> crowdfunding appeals.
>
> Any suggestions other than putting up with a smartphone?
> TIA
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Re: [PLUG] rsync: worked once now perms error
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018, Smith, Cathy wrote: I apologize for intruding. Cathy, Apologies not necessary. I've been following this conversation and now I'm confused. Is the issue the use of keys to lock down access, or the use of rsync in general? The issue is that I set up ssh on the new desktop Saturday and it worked to copy ~/ from the old desktop. Sunday, it failed to copy /opt/ from the old desktop to the new one because of a permissions error (publickey). Also, I cannot ssh from the new desktop to the old one, but can the other direction. Have you tried to run the rsync without the use of keys? No. I didn't know I could do this. Are you aware that rsync can be resumed? If you mean resuming a partial transfer, yes. If you mean resumeing working at all, that's what I'm trying to do. If you haven't checked, the perms on the .ssh directory should be 700. Yes, ~/.ssh has perms of 700. Regards, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Hard drive: size discrepancy
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018, Galen Seitz wrote: No, you can't change the sector size. If you have the disk directly connected to your system using SATA, I can't explain why you are having this problem. Galen, It's a naked, internal drive but the adapter I've been using to connect drives to hosts is 10-12 years old usb2. Just ordered a usb3 to sata replacement. As this is the only drive > 2T that I've partitioned and formatted with the current adapter it's highly likely that it has the 2T limit. When the new adapter arrives I'll post results. Regards, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] rsync: worked once now perms error
I apologize for intruding. I've been following this conversation and now I'm confused. Is the issue the use of keys to lock down access, or the use of rsync in general? Have you tried to run the rsync without the use of keys? Are you aware that rsync can be resumed? If you haven't checked, the perms on the .ssh directory should be 700. Cathy -- Cathy L. Smith IT Engineer Pacific Northwest National Laboratory Operated by Battelle for the U.S. Department of Energy Phone: 509.375.2687 Fax: 509.375.4399 Email: cathy.sm...@pnnl.gov -Original Message- From: plug-boun...@pdxlinux.org [mailto:plug-boun...@pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Rich Shepard Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 5:54 AM To: Portland Linux/Unix Group Subject: Re: [PLUG] rsync: worked once now perms error On Mon, 12 Nov 2018, wes wrote: > You said "rather than ssh" - did you test ssh again after you started > getting this error? What command and parameters do you use to make the > ssh connection? wes, When rsync failed to connect Sunday I used 'ssh -vv ...' to test since adding the verbose switches to rsync did not provide useful output. Yesterday I tried rsync again; same failure. Today I will re-generate the public/private key pair (same pass phrase), copy the new public key to the old desktop's authorized_keys and expect that to resolve the issue. Perhaps there is no way to determine why rsync failed after spending a lot of time moving 89G across the cat5 cable. If a new key pair works perhaps it will keep working. Regards, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] rsync: worked once now perms error
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018, wes wrote: You said "rather than ssh" - did you test ssh again after you started getting this error? What command and parameters do you use to make the ssh connection? wes, When rsync failed to connect Sunday I used 'ssh -vv ...' to test since adding the verbose switches to rsync did not provide useful output. Yesterday I tried rsync again; same failure. Today I will re-generate the public/private key pair (same pass phrase), copy the new public key to the old desktop's authorized_keys and expect that to resolve the issue. Perhaps there is no way to determine why rsync failed after spending a lot of time moving 89G across the cat5 cable. If a new key pair works perhaps it will keep working. Regards, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Neo900
On 11/12/2018 11:36 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: It was probably mentioned her before - Purism is working on their Librem 5 smartphone. That one should be pretty open and free out of the box. That is perhaps the easiest and the only free user serving smartphone since the failed Ubuntu phones. Check it out at https://puri.sm/ Maybe that is what you are looking for. Tomas If I ever become interested in a "smartphone", I would investigate further. Recall one of my specifications was " *no* cell network connectivity". My use cases would described as "a relatively dumb handheld data collection device". ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
