Re: [PLUG] REVISED "Guiding Windows user to Linux"
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, October 11th, 2021 at 7:24 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/11/2021 12:30 AM, Ben Koenig wrote: > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > > On Sunday, October 10th, 2021 at 8:36 AM, Michael Rasmussen > > mich...@jamhome.us wrote: > > > > > On 2021-10-10 04:37, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > > > 1. Ben said that Windows10's desktop resembles Linux. > > > > > > Which Linux? > > > > > > So many ways to set up Linux from my Pop_OS to a blinking cursor on an > > > > > > 80x24 blank screen with a prompt of name@machine$ > > > > > > Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon > > > Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity > > > > > > > Maybe I should clarify. As far as your Pastor is concerned - Windows 10 is > > so different from XP and 7 that it might as well be a Linux distro. It'll > > take the same amount of effort to migrate him no matter what platform you > > choose. > > > > - They moved away from traditional "My Computer" terminology as discussed > > earlier. > > - Window management is ripped straight from compiz. This started in Vista > > but today the 3D compositor for Windows10 behaves just like any linux > > desktop. > > - Settings App. The new settings tool for things like networking and > > other basic tasks is basically just a clone of all the MacOS/Linux versions. > > > > Basically, for a long time MS was the odd one out for a lot of things which > > forced a lot of people to become reliant on it. Fast forward 20 years and > > that is no longer the case. The average end-user isn't going to notice the > > differences and migrating them to Linux is no different than migrating them > > to Win10. > > > > Don't bother with a VM. Just find out what applications he relies on and > > set him up with a desktop that supports those apps. He will need to adjust, > > but that will still happen even if he stays on Windows. One of these days > > MS will stop dicking us around and officially deprecate their NT kernel in > > favor of whatever Canonical compiles for them. > > > > -Ben > > I just looked at the Wikipedia article on Windows 10. > > Their current machine may be new enough to have it. It's been a couple > > of years since I've seen it. > > An expert computer person at church has recommended that I get them a > > business class machine with Windows 11 and 16 GB of memory. If it has > > suitable Linux like features that may be the end of it. An expert computer person recommended 16GB of RAM??? That's not an expert, that's a microsoft propagandist. Unless this user relies on an application that specifically requires Windows (which I very much doubt they do) then you should go with a Linux desktop. My point was that trying to find a linux desktop that "most resembles windows" is no longer meaningful. Windows no longer resembles Windows and the complaints people have about Linux are no different than those they have of Windows10. Win11 will just end up being more of the same so you might as well move people to Linux for ethical reasons. The idea that Windows is the "gold standard" and "built for end users" is just misinformation promoted by MS media influencers. You could (as an experiment) set him up with a windows box and see what happens. If this guy is not tech savvy I'd bet that he will struggle with the new and "improved" windows desktop design. Everybody does, because it's complete shit. -Ben
Re: [PLUG] REVISED "Guiding Windows user to Linux"
On 10/11/2021 12:30 AM, Ben Koenig wrote: ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, October 10th, 2021 at 8:36 AM, Michael Rasmussen wrote: On 2021-10-10 04:37, Richard Owlett wrote: 1. Ben said that Windows10's desktop resembles Linux. Which Linux? So many ways to set up Linux from my Pop_OS to a blinking cursor on an 80x24 blank screen with a prompt of name@machine$ -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity Maybe I should clarify. As far as your Pastor is concerned - Windows 10 is so different from XP and 7 that it might as well be a Linux distro. It'll take the same amount of effort to migrate him no matter what platform you choose. - They moved away from traditional "My Computer" terminology as discussed earlier. - Window management is ripped straight from compiz. This started in Vista but today the 3D compositor for Windows10 behaves just like any linux desktop. - Settings App. The new settings tool for things like networking and other basic tasks is basically just a clone of all the MacOS/Linux versions. Basically, for a long time MS was the odd one out for a lot of things which forced a lot of people to become reliant on it. Fast forward 20 years and that is no longer the case. The average end-user isn't going to notice the differences and migrating them to Linux is no different than migrating them to Win10. Don't bother with a VM. Just find out what applications he relies on and set him up with a desktop that supports those apps. He will need to adjust, but that will still happen even if he stays on Windows. One of these days MS will stop dicking us around and officially deprecate their NT kernel in favor of whatever Canonical compiles for them. -Ben I just looked at the Wikipedia article on Windows 10. Their current machine may be new enough to have it. It's been a couple of years since I've seen it. An expert computer person at church has recommended that I get them a business class machine with Windows 11 and 16 GB of memory. If it has suitable Linux like features that may be the end of it.
Re: [PLUG] TONIGHT! PLUG: Russell's Excellent High Altitude Balloon Adventure
Looked up both of them and yes indeed the network is amateur radio based. Very interesting. All is Open Source. On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 12:56 AM Russell Senior wrote: > I'm not in charge of picking payloads. Amateur radio does feature in > the communications strategy, as I understand it. There are ground > station networks called UniCLOGS and SATNOGS, but I'm not totally > clued in on the details. > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:14 PM Chuck Hast wrote: > > > > Russell, > > Have you thought about amateur radio gear on board these devices? > > I am betting you could get a lot of info from AMSAT, though their main > > gig is satellites. > > > > Here just south of me down in TX a group of amateurs launched a radio > > equipped balloon, had a repeater, gps and a video feed from an on board > > camera along with some other instrumentation. I was going to try to work > > the repeater but had to do real work and missed the balloon flight. > > > > They were planning another launch on the 8th but appears it got delayed. > > > > I can send you info on what they are doing if you are interested. > > > > On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 11:51 PM Russell Senior < > russ...@personaltelco.net> > > wrote: > > > > > As promised, here are my slides from the talk (with links): > > > > > > https://personaltelco.net/~russell/plug-talk-2021-10-07.pdf > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 8:57 AM Michael Dexter > wrote: > > > > > > > > Portland Linux/Unix Group General Meeting Announcement > > > > > > > > Who: Russell Senior > > > > What: Russell's Excellent High Altitude Balloon Adventure > > > > Where: https://meet.jit.si/pdxlinux > > > > When: Thursday, October 7th, 2021 at 7pm > > > > Why: The pursuit of technology freedom > > > > > > > > Russell volunteers with the Portland State Aerospace Society's (PSAS) > > > > OreSat program as an Industry Advisor. PSAS is a rocket club at > > > > Portland State University. The OreSat program works towards having > > > > small interactive satellites put into orbit by friendly launch > > > > services. OreSat currently consists of three small satellites based > on > > > > a common design, the first one is due to launch in January. Russell's > > > > role is to help out with a system called dxwifi, a long distance > > > > S-band communication link. The goal is for ground-based student > groups > > > > around the state to receive live video broadcast from orbit as the > > > > satellite passes overhead. Earlier this year, a high school student > > > > applied and got our satellite a ride on a high altitude balloon > > > > through a NASA program. One of the goals was to capture wifi data > > > > being transmitted by the payload. Because of the distances involved, > > > > this requires aiming a directional antenna at the balloon. This talk > > > > will tell the story of how Russell waded his way towards a solution > > > > using math, some hand tools, open-source software and some ingenuity. > > > > > > > > About Russell: > > > > > > > > Russell has been a Linux user since 1992. He worked for a few decades > > > > doing data management, programming, and analysis for a small > > > > scientific consulting firm. Since 2005 he has been deeply involved in > > > > the Personal Telco Project and trying to bring about > > > > telecommunications policy in the users interests, while also hacking > > > > on router firmware. Since 2018, he's been involved in an effort to > > > > bring at-cost fiber infrastructure to the Portland metro area, > > > > Municipal Broadband PDX. > > > > > > > > > > > > PLUG is open to everyone and does not tolerate abusive behavior on > its > > > > mailing lists or at its meetings. > > > > > > > > PLUG Page with information about all PLUG events: > http://pdxlinux.org/ > > > > Follow PLUG on Twitter: http://twitter.com/pdxlinux > > > > > > > > Michael Dexter > > > > PLUG Volunteer > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- > > I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. > > Ph 4:13 KJV > > Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece. > > Fil 4:13 RVR1960 > -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Ph 4:13 KJV Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece. Fil 4:13 RVR1960
Re: [PLUG] REVISED "Guiding Windows user to Linux"
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, October 10th, 2021 at 8:36 AM, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > On 2021-10-10 04:37, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > 1. Ben said that Windows10's desktop resembles Linux. > > Which Linux? > > So many ways to set up Linux from my Pop_OS to a blinking cursor on an > > 80x24 blank screen with a prompt of name@machine$ > > -- > >Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon > Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity > Maybe I should clarify. As far as your Pastor is concerned - Windows 10 is so different from XP and 7 that it might as well be a Linux distro. It'll take the same amount of effort to migrate him no matter what platform you choose. - They moved away from traditional "My Computer" terminology as discussed earlier. - Window management is ripped straight from compiz. This started in Vista but today the 3D compositor for Windows10 behaves just like any linux desktop. - Settings App. The new settings tool for things like networking and other basic tasks is basically just a clone of all the MacOS/Linux versions. Basically, for a long time MS was the odd one out for a lot of things which forced a lot of people to become reliant on it. Fast forward 20 years and that is no longer the case. The average end-user isn't going to notice the differences and migrating them to Linux is no different than migrating them to Win10. Don't bother with a VM. Just find out what applications he relies on and set him up with a desktop that supports those apps. He will need to adjust, but that will still happen even if he stays on Windows. One of these days MS will stop dicking us around and officially deprecate their NT kernel in favor of whatever Canonical compiles for them. -Ben
