Re: [PLUG] Mozilla Firefox, Cloudflare DNS Resolver and Digital Citizenship

[Ben Koenig]

Not to derail someone else's conversation here, but I can't help but point out 
the absurd circumstances surrounding this message.

>From my perspective, you have provided a very spirited response to what I can 
>only guess was Mike's critique of your attitude towards censorship. Looks like 
>he might have been trying to set the record straight, but of course I'll never 
>know because I never saw his email show up on this list. 

And, as it turns out after a quick review of PLUG's email archives, I've not 
received any of the emails he has sent to this list. If I wasn't the type of 
person who enjoys investigating discrepencies in a repeating pattern then I 
would probably just continue my life of blissful ignorance in a world where 
"MC_Sequoia " does not exist, and "American Citizen 
" is just some random internet weirdo who responds 
to imaginary messages.

Funny isn't it, the conclusions we can come to when communication breaks down? 
I could assume that I'm being targeted for my anti-google views or I could 
shrug it off as some minor technical mishap. Or I could assume nothing and send 
a message to the relevant support group and make it their problem. Kind of 
sucks to be in that situation where I'm just stuck between two organizations 
with no personal control over either. I am at the mercy of the PLUG List admins 
and Proton Mail support team. Ya

I just think it's amusing to see a conversation about censorship get 
"censored". Clearly someone doesn't want me to see Mike's opinions on this 
subject. #SARCASM
-Ben


--- Original Message ---
On Sunday, January 15th, 2023 at 7:21 PM, American Citizen 
 wrote:


> Hello Mike:
> 
> My post has engendered quite a response. I appreciate that you are
> willing to go through with a fine toothed comb to get to the bottom of
> everything.
> 
> I am willing to be corrected. I trust that what I have said does not
> come over with a air of self-righteousness (or virtue signaling)
> 
> I apologize and ask to retract my statement "force" inferring that COO
> Michelle Zatlyn said that, as that is not true as you have pointed out.
> Thank you for correcting this misstatement. Actually when I composed my
> post, I thought I might be making a mistake here.
> 
> Please listen to
> https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/wef/schwab-wants-a-digital-citizenship-to-use-the-internet/
> at 1 min 20 secs into this interview where Cloudflare COO Michelle
> Zatlyn stumbled around saying "better digital citizenship" but she wants
> everyone in the world to embrace digital citizenship. This is pretty
> plain from what she said.
> 
> I am NOT unaware of the goals of the WEF community to establish the
> digital citizenship requirements (see https://www.dqindex.org/en/)
> 
> But I am NOT in favor of unelected people to have the final say so as to
> who is allowed to say so on the internet and who can be censored. I
> trust that you agree with this. We need to have an open discussion about
> who we are allowing to have the final word and why we believe this.
> 
> The past 2 or 3 weeks, I have carefully documenting censorship via the
> major search engines and this is an alarming discovery which should
> concern everyone on the planet. I did NOT ask to be censored from
> certain websites, such as the United States Geological Survey, yet here
> I am. And I did NOT ask certain topics on the search engines to be
> censored, but this has occurred.
> 
> We need to have free and open discussions, not be censored by some
> entity based in the United Nations or elsewhere claiming that they have
> the last word. This is assuming authority.
> 
> I appreciate that you have taken the time to carefully respond.
> 
> And I agree with you that trust begins with an honest intention to have
> an open-minded discussion based upon facts, data and sound logic.
> 
> Thank you for your post. It is appreciated by me.
> 
> Randall
>

Re: [PLUG] can no longer right click on address in thunderbird

[King Beowulf]

On 1/15/23 12:44, Galen Seitz wrote:

...snip...
>   IIRC, I used to
> be able to right click on an address in this pane.  This would bring up
> a menu containing multiple items, among them a "compose new message to"
> and a "copy email address".  Does anyone know how to restore this
> functionality?
>
> I'm running Thunderbird 102.6.0.
>

Thunderbird 102.6.1 here. Email header right-click address context menu
works as expected.

There is probably something screwy with your installation.  Try running
TB from CLI to see if there is an error message.

-Ed

Re: [PLUG] Mozilla Firefox, Cloudflare DNS Resolver and Digital Citizenship

[American Citizen]

Hello Mike:

My post has engendered quite a response. I appreciate that you are 
willing to go through with a fine toothed comb to get to the bottom of 
everything.


I am willing to be corrected. I trust that what I have said does not 
come over with a air of self-righteousness (or virtue signaling)


I apologize and ask to retract my statement "force" inferring that COO 
Michelle Zatlyn said that, as that is not true as you have pointed out. 
Thank you for correcting this misstatement. Actually when I composed my 
post, I thought I might be making a mistake here.


Please listen to 
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/wef/schwab-wants-a-digital-citizenship-to-use-the-internet/ 
at 1 min 20 secs into this interview where  Cloudflare COO Michelle 
Zatlyn stumbled around saying "better digital citizenship" but she wants 
everyone in the world to embrace digital citizenship. This is pretty 
plain from what she said.


I am NOT unaware of the goals of the WEF community to establish the 
digital citizenship requirements (see https://www.dqindex.org/en/)


But I am NOT in favor of unelected people to have the final say so as to 
who is allowed to say so on the internet and who can be censored. I 
trust that you agree with this. We need to have an open discussion about 
who we are allowing to have the final word and why we believe this.


The past 2 or 3 weeks, I have carefully documenting censorship via the 
major search engines and this is an alarming discovery which should 
concern everyone on the planet. I did NOT ask to be censored from 
certain websites, such as the United States Geological Survey, yet here 
I am. And I did NOT ask certain topics on the search engines to be 
censored, but this has occurred.


We need to have free and open discussions, not be censored by some 
entity based in the United Nations or elsewhere claiming that they have 
the last word. This is assuming authority.


I appreciate that you have taken the time to carefully respond.

And I agree with you that trust begins with an honest intention to have 
an open-minded discussion based upon facts, data and sound logic.


Thank you for your post. It is appreciated by me.

Randall

[PLUG] Mozilla Firefox, Cloudflare DNS Resolver and Digital Citizenship

[MC_Sequoia]

"I did find an interesting discussion by Cloudflare CEO stating how she wants 
digital citizenship to be forced upon everyone, and I found it fascinating that 
my Mozilla Firefox browser was pushing DNS lookups via Cloudflare."

Firstly, I want to very clear that personal privacy, anonymity & security is 
very important to me whether in the digital or non-digital realm and I think 
it's in our collective best interest to be.

With that being said, I'm by no means a digital privacy & security expert.

Here's the DNS data that Cloudflare collects.

:What information does the Cloudflare resolver for Firefox collect?

Any data Cloudflare handles as a result of its resolver for Firefox is as a 
data processor acting pursuant to Firefox’s data processing instructions. 
Therefore, the data Cloudflare collects and processes pursuant to its agreement 
with Firefox is not covered by the [Cloudflare Privacy 
Policy](https://www.cloudflare.com/privacypolicy/)

. As part of its agreement with Firefox, Cloudflare has agreed to collect only 
a limited amount of data about the DNS requests that are sent to the Cloudflare 
Resolver for Firefox via the Firefox browser. Cloudflare will collect only the 
following information from Firefox users:

- date
- dateTime
- srcAsNum
- srcIPVersion
- dstIPVersion
- dstIPv6
- dstIPv4
- dstPort
- protocol
- queryName
- queryType
- queryClass
- queryRd
- queryDo
- querySize
- queryEdns
- ednsVersion
- ednsPayload
- ednsNsid
- responseType
- responseCode
- responseSize
- responseCount
- responseTimeMs
- responseCached
- responseMinTTL
- answerData type
- answerData
- validationState
- coloID (unique Cloudflare data center ID)
- metalId (unique Cloudflare data center ID)

All of the above information will be stored briefly as part of Cloudflare’s 
temporary logs, and then permanently deleted within 24 hours of Cloudflare’s 
receipt of such information. In addition to the above information, Cloudflare 
will also collect and store the following information as part of its permanent 
logs.

- Total number of requests processed by each Cloudflare co-location facility.
- Aggregate list of all domain names requested.
- Samples of domain names queried along with the times of such queries.

Information stored in Cloudflare’s permanent logs will be anonymized and may be 
held indefinitely by Cloudflare for its own internal research and development 
purposes.:"

Reference - 
https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/privacy/cloudflare-resolver-firefox

I don't know what every piece of DNS query data listed is but I can if this is 
accurate and fully transparent I only see the destination ip addr and no source 
ip addr. Therefore, none of your DNS queries can be tied back to your ip 
address.

There isn't anything here that concerns me. Maybe you know more and if you 
think there are things here to be concerned with, I'm very interested in 
learning more.

It seems to me that Mozilla has been investing in privacy & security over the 
years and that investment has paid dividends with good reviews from security 
pros and they've even gained some market share. I believe in the Mozilla 
Foundation and I think it's an organization worth $upporting.

Let me very clearly state that I'm against hate, violence, bigotry, racism, 
oppression, misogyny, ignorance, misinformation and fear mongering. Much of 
which I saw on various social media platforms that I stopped using many years 
ago.

So, when unfounded claims based on fear and/or ignorance are posted in public 
spaces, I strongly support the challenging and open discussion of them.

I did a few quick web searches and I couldn't find any credible sources that 
talked about "digital citizenship being forced upon everyone."

I did however find this TechCrunch article from 2014.

"A lot of political speech now happens online, but that also makes it very 
vulnerable to DDoS attacks from those who don’t agree with a given viewpoint. 
Many of these sites are hosted by individual journalists (and citizen 
journalists, if you want to make that distinction) and artists, who likely 
don’t have the infrastructure and knowledge to protect themselves against these 
attacks.

To help keep these sites operating, online security and CDN service 
[CloudFlare](http://cloudflare.com) today announced [Project 
Galileo](http://projectgalileo.org/), a partnership with 15 NGOs to help it 
identify and protect sites around the world that are under attack. These NGOs 
include the [Access](https://www.accessnow.org/), 
[ACUL](https://www.aclu.org/), the [Electronic Frontier 
Foundation](https://www.eff.org/) (EFF), the[Center for Democracy and 
Technology](https://cdt.org/), [Mozilla](http://www.mozilla.org/), the 
[Committee to Protect Journalists](https://www.cpj.org/) and the [Freedom of 
the Press Foundation](https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/).

Among the sites already protected by the project are minority-rights 
organizations, LGBT groups in Africa and the Middle East, globa

Re: [PLUG] can no longer right click on address in thunderbird

[Dick Steffens]

On 1/15/23 12:44, Galen Seitz wrote:


Speaking of regressions, another change that I am fighting is a 
missing context(?) menu in thunderbird.  When using thunderbird, I 
have a Folders pane on the left, a messages pane on top, a message 
content pane on the bottom, and in the middle there is a narrow pane 
that contains a limited form of the headers for the selected message.  
IIRC, I used to be able to right click on an address in this pane.  
This would bring up a menu containing multiple items, among them a 
"compose new message to" and a "copy email address". Does anyone know 
how to restore this functionality?


I'm running Thunderbird 102.6.0.


must be a recent change. I still have the context menu in the messages 
pane in version 102.4.2. It has the menu to which you are referring. The 
"middle" pane has From, To, Subject and buttons Reply, Reply List, 
Forward, Archive, Junk, Delete, and More.


The limited form of headers is in the messages pane.

--
Regards,

Dick Steffens

[PLUG] can no longer right click on address in thunderbird

[Galen Seitz]

Speaking of regressions, another change that I am fighting is a missing 
context(?) menu in thunderbird.  When using thunderbird, I have a 
Folders pane on the left, a messages pane on top, a message content pane 
on the bottom, and in the middle there is a narrow pane that contains a 
limited form of the headers for the selected message.  IIRC, I used to 
be able to right click on an address in this pane.  This would bring up 
a menu containing multiple items, among them a "compose new message to" 
and a "copy email address".  Does anyone know how to restore this 
functionality?


I'm running Thunderbird 102.6.0.

thanks,
galen
--
Galen Seitz
gal...@seitzassoc.com

[PLUG] recent versions of firefox no longer use /tmp when opening files

[Galen Seitz]

Hi,

As of Firefox 98, when you open a file, it doesn't use /tmp.  I vaguely 
recall seeing news of this, but it really didn't register at the time.




In the past few days I noticed that my Downloads directory was cluttered 
with *many* pdfs that I had no intention of keeping around.  This caused 
me to investigate further, and I stumbled upon this *huge* discussion 
under a mozilla bug.




To summarize, many longtime users were not pleased with the new 
behavior.  After much back and forth, the developers relented and added 
an about:config setting to allow for the old workflow.  If you are like 
me and want the old behavior, I recommend reading comment 133, where the 
new config setting is explained.  I believe this new setting was added 
in version 102.


TL;DR, set browser.download.start_downloads_in_tmp_dir to true to get 
the old behavior.



galen
--
Galen Seitz
gal...@seitzassoc.com