Re: [PLUG] October PLUG Meeting: Firejail and Linux VPNs

[MC_Sequoia]

"The Center has experienced multiple COVID infections, one of which landed 
someone in the hospital in a coma."

Was this fairly recent?

[PLUG] Debian 12 Nightmare install

[MC_Sequoia]

I'm sharing my experience because I've using Debian for 15 years and I've never 
had an experience like I did the other day with Debian 12 Netinsttall w. Gnome 
Desktop.

Most of the problems seemed to be with really slow file transfers from various 
Debian mirrors that lead to the install just failing.

I tried about 6 different mirrors including OSU, Berkeley and U of Chicago as 
well as few others.

I finally was able to successfully get the XFCE Netinstall version installed. 
However, once installed I had weird wifi connectivity problems w. 2 wifi access 
points that I use regularly, Everything from key exchange problems, dropping 
the connection, and ever not associating with an open AP.

Then once I had a stable wifi connection, FIrefox was super slow loading web 
pages.

This was a many hours affair of pure frustration and anger.

I think someone else recently had a similarly frustrating experience with 
Debian 12.

I went back to Debian 11 based version of Bunsenlabs. Downloaded, installed, 
fully configured and setup per my preferences and running flawlessly in less 
than 30 mins.

I've always recommended Debian because it's always been very solid, but 
somewhat dated compared to other distros, easy to install w/o problems and 
relatively easy to use & maintain.

I hope others don't have the same experience.

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[PLUG] - Moderator can you please delete my last email?

[MC_Sequoia]

Hi - I meant for my reply to only go to Russell Senior. Can you please delete 
my message from the PLUG email list so that my personal info isn't on the 
internet?

Thank you 

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--- Original Message ---
On Saturday, September 23rd, 2023 at 4:43 PM, MC_Sequoia 
 wrote:


> Hi,
> 
> I may or may not be a person they're looking for but I'm very interested.
> 
> I'm not a senior, but I'm pushing 60. I'm still considered a houseless 
> veteran even though I've a HUD-VASH housing voucher.
> 
> I've a background in computer networks, wireless, telecom and Linux, but my 
> skills & knowledge aren't up to date as I've been out of the tech field for 
> about 5 years now due to health issues that I've been recovering from.
> 
> I'm also returning to college this fall at PCC in Computer Info Systems.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mike Connors
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> On Saturday, September 23rd, 2023 at 4:07 PM, Russell Senior 
> russ...@personaltelco.net wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Priority populations: "Black, Indigenous, People of Color (BIPOC),
> > seniors, LGBTQIA+, immigrants and
> > refugees, houseless or housing insecure, foster youth, domestic
> > violence survivors, people impacted by
> > incarceration, people with disabilities, and those living in poverty"
> > 
> > On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 3:40 PM Russell Senior
> > russ...@personaltelco.net wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm involved with a grant funded project in which Personal Telco Project 
> > > is to indoctrinate a few people in Community Networking serving a target 
> > > population. We want people who are members of the target population, but 
> > > in order to meet the project goals we feel like they need to start with a 
> > > basic familiarity with Linux command line, since basically every part of 
> > > the network management will require it. Our partners are concerned they 
> > > won't be able to find anyone with the starting skills we have asked for. 
> > > As someone for whom the Year of the Linux Desktop has been every year 
> > > since 1993, I have trouble understanding their concern. We are only 
> > > looking for a few people in the Portland metro area, and there are 
> > > certainly a few such people here, it is just a matter of finding them and 
> > > funneling them towards the entrance gate. We aren't in charge of 
> > > selecting people, but given our partners concerns it seems appropriate to 
> > > help them recruit potential candidates, and PLUG seems like a good place 
> > > to start looking.
> > > 
> > > I have thought about asking local community colleges that teach Linux 
> > > skills.
> > > 
> > > Any other thoughts?
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Russell Senior, President
> > > russ...@personaltelco.net

Re: [PLUG] Internship for people with Linux command line familiarity

[MC_Sequoia]

Hi,

I may or may not be a person they're looking for but I'm very interested.

I'm not a senior, but I'm pushing 60. I'm still considered a houseless veteran 
even though I've a HUD-VASH housing voucher. 

I've a background in computer networks, wireless, telecom and Linux, but my 
skills & knowledge aren't up to date as I've been out of the tech field for 
about 5 years now due to health issues that I've been recovering from.

I'm also returning to college this fall at PCC in Computer Info Systems.  

Thank you,

Mike Connors





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--- Original Message ---
On Saturday, September 23rd, 2023 at 4:07 PM, Russell Senior 
 wrote:


> Priority populations: "Black, Indigenous, People of Color (BIPOC),
> seniors, LGBTQIA+, immigrants and
> refugees, houseless or housing insecure, foster youth, domestic
> violence survivors, people impacted by
> incarceration, people with disabilities, and those living in poverty"
> 
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 3:40 PM Russell Senior
> russ...@personaltelco.net wrote:
> 
> > I'm involved with a grant funded project in which Personal Telco Project is 
> > to indoctrinate a few people in Community Networking serving a target 
> > population. We want people who are members of the target population, but in 
> > order to meet the project goals we feel like they need to start with a 
> > basic familiarity with Linux command line, since basically every part of 
> > the network management will require it. Our partners are concerned they 
> > won't be able to find anyone with the starting skills we have asked for. As 
> > someone for whom the Year of the Linux Desktop has been every year since 
> > 1993, I have trouble understanding their concern. We are only looking for a 
> > few people in the Portland metro area, and there are certainly a few such 
> > people here, it is just a matter of finding them and funneling them towards 
> > the entrance gate. We aren't in charge of selecting people, but given our 
> > partners concerns it seems appropriate to help them recruit potential 
> > candidates, and PLUG seems like a good place to start looking.
> > 
> > I have thought about asking local community colleges that teach Linux 
> > skills.
> > 
> > Any other thoughts?
> > 
> > --
> > Russell Senior, President
> > russ...@personaltelco.net

Re: [PLUG] SparkyLinux

[MC_Sequoia]

There's also a couple of other noteworthy/interesting things about SparkyLinux.

Firstly, there's a MinimalCLI version w/o a desktop/GUI enviro, which I think 
you expressed interest in your original post, 'Mint, Ubuntu, Debian...'

There's 3 special editions: 

– GameOver for computer gaming
– Multimedia for audio and video enthusiasts and/or web-developers
– Rescue, a system rescue toolbox (uses Openbox as a window manager)











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--- Original Message ---
On Saturday, September 23rd, 2023 at 1:53 PM, MC_Sequoia 
 wrote:


> Sharing this on the main PLUG group as it's on topic and might be of interest 
> to some folks who don't subscribe to the off-topic talk list.
> 
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> 
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> On Saturday, September 23rd, 2023 at 12:21 AM, John Jason Jordan 
> joh...@gmx.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:00:56 -0700
> > John Jason Jordan joh...@gmx.com dijo:
> > 
> > > After 12 failed attempts to install Debian 12 I went shopping again. I
> > > was concentrating on Debian based distros, and I found SparkyLinux,
> > > which I had not only never tried, but had never even heard of. As far
> > > as I can tell it is based in Poland.
> > > 
> > > I have it running and so far it is all working fine. A couple points
> > > that I found really cool:
> > > 
> > > 1) No snap or flatpak, although you can install them
> > > 2) Based on Debian Stable
> > > 3) Brave browser is in its standard repos - no need to mess
> > > with web pages of instructions, or bow to snap
> > > 4) There is only one ISO; when you boot it you choose which
> > > desktop environment you want, from over a dozen choices
> > > 5) From a cursory look at the repos, it is heavy on multimedia,
> > > including some stuff that is hard to find
> > 
> > I can add one more delight: The only fonts it installed were a
> > handful needed for the OS. No Thai, Gujarati, or others that an
> > ordinary English speaker would find useless.
> > ___
> > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org
> > PLUG-talk mailing list
> > plug-t...@pdxlinux.org
> > https://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-talk

Re: [PLUG] SparkyLinux

[MC_Sequoia]

Sharing this on the main PLUG group as it's on topic and might be of interest 
to some folks who don't subscribe to the off-topic talk list.

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--- Original Message ---
On Saturday, September 23rd, 2023 at 12:21 AM, John Jason Jordan 
 wrote:


> On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:00:56 -0700
> John Jason Jordan joh...@gmx.com dijo:
> 
> > After 12 failed attempts to install Debian 12 I went shopping again. I
> > was concentrating on Debian based distros, and I found SparkyLinux,
> > which I had not only never tried, but had never even heard of. As far
> > as I can tell it is based in Poland.
> > 
> > I have it running and so far it is all working fine. A couple points
> > that I found really cool:
> > 
> > 1) No snap or flatpak, although you can install them
> > 2) Based on Debian Stable
> > 3) Brave browser is in its standard repos - no need to mess
> > with web pages of instructions, or bow to snap
> > 4) There is only one ISO; when you boot it you choose which
> > desktop environment you want, from over a dozen choices
> > 5) From a cursory look at the repos, it is heavy on multimedia,
> > including some stuff that is hard to find
> 
> 
> I can add one more delight: The only fonts it installed were a
> handful needed for the OS. No Thai, Gujarati, or others that an
> ordinary English speaker would find useless.
> ___
> PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org
> PLUG-talk mailing list
> plug-t...@pdxlinux.org
> https://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-talk

Re: [PLUG] Mint, Ubuntu, Debian (and Centos and Redhat/IBM)

[MC_Sequoia]

> On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 05:18:11PM +, Ben Koenig wrote:
> 
> > Mint is a popular choice for people who are familiar with Ubuntu but don't 
> > want these higher level changes.

"Anyway, Ubuntu was and is a nightmare.  Three minute boot,
huge memory footprint, imposed updates that break things,
especially my kludgy things.  Mouse driven."

There is a Debian based Linux Mint, LMDE, Linux Mint Debian Edition. Although, 
you could install any window manager you like, for example OpenBox, the default 
is the Cinnamon GUI Desktop Environment, which is designed for mouse 
navigation. 

If you want a default lightweight Debian distro, I'd recommend either 
BunsenLabs or Crunchbang++.

Crunchbang is Debian 12, Bullseye w. Linux Kernal 6.1 Long Term Support. 

Both offer an installation script so the user can decide which packages to 
install based on the feature support wanted and/or use case for the computer.

Cheers!

[PLUG] Kaisen Linux The distro for IT pros?

[MC_Sequoia]

I recently learned about this distro and checked some reviews. It does have a 
pretty extensive tool set and it loads it to RAM so you can install it on a 
b0rK3d Linux box.

In a previous IT work life, I used Linux boxes to troubleshoot network 
problems. I cobbled a dependable toolset together mostly from the Stanford 
Linear Accelerator Network Monitoring Website, 
https://www.slac.stanford.edu/xorg/nmtf/nmtf-tools.html and late night browsing 
of the Debian software repository.

I've done some troubleshooting and fixing of Linux servers and my own Linux 
boxes but I've never had what seems to be a rescue distro.

The reviews talked a lot about the pre-packaged toolset but not much about how, 
when to use which tools and if they were the actual tools that could fix 
real-world Linux problems.

I'm curious to know the thoughts of any Linux IT pros about a distro like this 
or if you'd be interested in sharing a toolset you've cobbled together that you 
rely on to rescue Linux systems.

Thanks,

Mike

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Re: [PLUG] Looking for a paid POP/IMAP email provider

[MC_Sequoia]

'There is NO such thing as a free lunch ;!

Mailfence, Protonmail, Fastmail and many other email providers rely on paid 
subscribers who want more storage, more email aliases, more email domain names 
and other features to subsidize the costs of free, ess featured email service. 

For example, only paid Mailfence email subscription accounts get POP, IMAP, 
SMTPS access.

Can I have POPS, IMAPS and SMTPS access? Paid accounts have POPS, IMAPS and 
SMTPS access. The settings are:

POPS
server: pop.mailfence.com
user: your Mailfence username
password: your Mailfence password
port: 995 (SSL)

IMAPS
server: imap.mailfence.com
user: your Mailfence username
password: your Mailfence password
port: 993 (SSL)
Please note that simultaneous IMAP connections are limited to 20

SMTPS
server: smtp.mailfence.com
user: your Mailfence username
password: your Mailfence password
port: 465 (SSL)

Re: [PLUG] Looking for a paid POP/IMAP email provider

[MC_Sequoia]

"Since emails are encrypted by your browser and decrypted by the intended 
recipients, no one else can read them, not even Mailfence. This is called 
end-to-end encryption."

"That eliminates them as my primary application is Usenet and maling lists"

That's incorrect. I'm using Protonmail right now and it also uses end-to-end 
encryption and my emails are encrypted on the server so that Protonmail can't 
read them either just like Mailfence. 

In order for emails to be encrypted in transit to the other party there has to 
be a successful encryption negotiation and key exchange. If that doesn't 
happen, the email isn't encrypted because the other party wouldn't be able to 
read it, so why send it.

Re: [PLUG] Looking for a paid POP/IMAP email provider

[MC_Sequoia]

Wishing to avoid ads, I specified "paid" in the subject line.

There are very good free email providers that are Ad-free that are also worth 
supporting with a paid subscription.

Two of the top of my head are Fastmail and Mailfence:

https://mailfence.com/

https://www.fastmail.com/

"Richard,

How about gmail? Or proton mail ?"

Gmail has Ads. 

Protonmail doesn't support POP / IMAP client connections but it's Ad-free, they 
do have free accounts, I use one, but they're also an organization very much 
worthy of supporting with a paid subscription. 

Re: [PLUG] What are the permissions for .ssh/authorized_keys?

[MC_Sequoia]

Rich,

Here's where I think the problem is:

"debug1: Trying private key: /home/rshepard/.ssh/id_ed25519_sk
debug3: no such identity: /home/rshepard/.ssh/id_ed25519_sk: No such file or 
directory
debug1: Trying private key: /home/rshepard/.ssh/id_xmss
debug3: no such identity: /home/rshepard/.ssh/id_xmss: No such file or directory
debug1: Trying private key: /home/rshepard/.ssh/id_dsa
debug3: no such identity: /home/rshepard/.ssh/id_dsa: No such file or directory
debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method"

Seems like you can't traverse the ~/.ssh directory 

try "ssh -i path-to-pem-file username@ip-address" 

If this works then you need to chmod +x the ~/.ssh/* and chmod 700 ~/.ssh chmod 
600~/.ssh/* – 

Re: [PLUG] What are the permissions for .ssh/authorized_keys?

[MC_Sequoia]

"Still won't connect from laptop to desktop;" 

Rich, are you seeing any error messages?

Re: [PLUG] Loading ~/.keymap on laptop fails

[MC_Sequoia]

A quick web search turned up this. I ran both commands w/o any problems.

"You should run systemctl status console-setup.service as per suggestion to 
have a look at the problem."

You may need to execute

sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration"

Reference - https://askubuntu.com/questions/800871/failed-console-keymap

Re: [PLUG] Audio card for clear voice output => Internet apps voice quality

[MC_Sequoia]

"I could not hear them using the headphones and the speakers produces very 
unclear (garbled?)output."

Does your PC have an onboard speaker that you can test with? 

Are the speakers and headset both plugged into the PCI-E soundcard?

Have you tried plugging into the onboard audio ports directly on the 
motherboard?

I'm just working the process of elimination and maybe narrow down the suspect 
list a bit. 

Re: [PLUG] Audio card for clear voice output => Internet apps voice quality

[MC_Sequoia]

"I don't often view news site or youtube videos but it's the same issue with 
them as it is was the Zoom meeting. The other issue with Zoom is that  heard 
unclear sound throught the Creative Pebble speakers that were installed, and no 
sound through the Panasonic headset. Yet, the headset had no problem with my 
tests of a news site video or a youtube video."

So, to be clear, do you only have a problem with inbound voice audio quality 
from the Internet?

Have you monitored resource, cpu/memory, usage when you're experiencing this 
problem? 

Maybe even shutdown and power back on your pc. Open up 1 browser instance and 
only 1 tab for zoom or jitsi and test?

You can even look at resource usage in your browser. All the browsers I use 
have a "Task Manager" under "Settings."

I suspect both Zoom & Jitsi are resource intensive web apps. 

Re: [PLUG] Audio card for clear voice output => Internet apps voice quality

[MC_Sequoia]

"My issue is getting good sound quality from the 'Net using Zoom and Jitsi."

This is probably the best & most useful piece of information you've to work 
with. 

That seems to point away from a audio card, audio software/drivers, cables, 
etc. 

I don't use either of these apps, so I could only suggest to see if there these 
apps have some tests you can do or settings to adjust or do a web search on 
"Zoom voice quality problems."

Seems silly, but I'd try testing with a few different browsers. There could be 
a problem with voice being processed between these apps and your browser.

The other thing you could do is maybe find some internet audio quality test 
site or maybe make some test calls over google voice, skype or similar web voip 
app. 

Re: [PLUG] Audio card for clear voice output

[MC_Sequoia]

I also was thinking about an audio quality testing application that might be 
useful and came across this video on an app called Noise Torch. In the video he 
talks specifically about producing podcasts, zoom calls & jitsi meetings. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzN9rYNeeIU

I also came across an article that talked about the difference in driver 
quality between Windows and Linux. FOSS does have a cost, unfortunately. 

I suspect this could also play a role. 

There are also Linux multimedia distros that've been optimized for AV 
production. 

"io GNU/Linux works well as a live boot operating system, but can also be 
installed to a hard drive. Its main highlight is professional level audio 
production, "

Reference - https://linuxconfig.org/best-multimedia-linux-distributions

It might be worth looking into what this distro does differently to produce 
"pro level audio production."

It might not just be a hardware problem.

Re: [PLUG] Audio card for clear voice output

[MC_Sequoia]

"The audio voice output quality from my Asus Prime X470-Pro is distorted and 
unacceptable. 
 
Please provide recommendations for an add-in PCIe audio card that outputs clear 
voice as well as music to speakers and headphones/headsets."

Hopefully, someone  who knows a lot more about pc audio soundcards and who 
produces podcasts and/or videos will respond but in the meantime here's what I 
can offer. 

"#4)  ASUS XONAR SE 5.1 Channel

Best for minimal audio distortion.

ASUS XONAR SE 5.1 Channel

ASUS XONAR SE 5.1 Channel is praised for its defined bass and immersive sound 
quality. This is due to the 192kHz/24-bit Hi-Res audio with a 300ohm that the 
card provides.

The product delivers a crystal clear sound ratio which is exceptional to use. 
It also comes with updated audio cables, which can provide a minimum balance of 
distortion and interference.

This includes a 110 dB SNR option.

The product has a decent voice technology option."

Takeaways from this.

A card with a higher Signal To Noise Ratio will produce less distortion. Audio 
cables and interfaces will affect audio quality. This card comes with updated 
cables. 

You might first try upgrading any audio interface cables if they're old, cheap, 
low quality. 

I hope this is helpful.

Re: [PLUG] rsync command syntax => RDIFF-BACKUP

[MC_Sequoia]

"Dirvish makes snapshot copies of changed files. So the cron job that runs at 
00:30 each night copies changes in files in the 8 vaults (directories or  
partitions). What I want to follow that daily update is to copy only the 
changed files from bkup1 to bkup2."

So, you're using a disk imaging tool to create incremental backups and the 
using a remote file synchronization tool to do another incremental backup. 

Why not just use 1 tool such as rdiff-backup? It's simpler and it has more 
useful backup & recover features. 

"Rdiff-backup backs up one directory to another, possibly over a network. The 
target directory ends up a copy of the source directory, but extra reverse 
diffs are stored in a special subdirectory of that target directory, so you can 
still recover files lost some time ago. 

The idea is to combine the best features of a mirror and an incremental backup. 
Rdiff-backup also preserves subdirectories, hard links, dev files, permissions, 
uid/gid ownership (if it is running as root), modification times, acls, eas, 
resource forks, etc. 

Finally, rdiff-backup can operate in a bandwidth efficient manner over a pipe, 
like rsync. Thus you can use rdiff-backup and ssh to securely back a hard drive 
up to a remote location, and only the differences will be transmitted."

https://rdiff-backup.net/

Re: [PLUG] rsync command syntax

[MC_Sequoia]

"I want to write a cron job for root to copy the daily backup from
/media/bkup1/ to /media/bkup2/. Is this rsync command sufficient?
 
rsync -avz /media/bkup1 /media/bkup2"

I've to ask the seemingly obvious question here. What exactly are you trying to 
accomplish here?

If you're simply trying to create a copy of a directory, why not just use the 
command "cp -R  "

Rsync isn't the right tool IMHO to simply copy a daily a file from one place to 
another. 

"Remote Syncronization" only updates the files or dirs tha have changed. Makes 
a lot of sense when faced wit having to move a large amount of data over a slow 
network link in the event of failure. 

Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

[MC_Sequoia]

"Career sys-admins, take note.  You may want to retrain as
a career re-trainer; many sys-admins may soon be looking
for new careers."

Color me very skeptical. One large blind spot of AI is context and/or 
situational understanding. 

A few examples. 

The AI that made a digital stick person fall on it's face then stand up on its 
head and fall over again then repeat as the fastest way for the person to get 
from point A to Point B. 

The AI security camera that was defeated by a group of Marines who snuck up on 
it by posing as a cardboard box, bush, trashcan or just by doing somersaults 
and not moving like a normal human being would. 

If I had a nickel for every time some newbie blew something up, whether they be 
a sys-admin, developer, engineer, etc who didn't understand the codebase, the 
problem, the network, the work flow, the use case, etc. 

There are many ways to solve any given computer problem and usually we humans 
have preferences in terms of efficiency, cost, elegance, simplicity, service 
disruption, time, etc. 

To me, that is the mark of intelligence. It's not just solving a given problem 
but solving it in a way that takes many of those into account and/or in order 
of priority and/or preference. 

I mean, has any problem posted on the PLUG list ever been solved without a 
fairly robust discussion regarding taking at least a few things into 
consideration?

Re: [PLUG] Video card fan noise

[MC_Sequoia]

"How can I track GPU temperature and fan speed, and adjust the latter?"

Radeontop is a good place to start. 

"Radeontop is a small utility which allows one to monitor the utilization of 
Radeon GPUs starting from the R600 series and newer using undocumented 
performance counters in the hardware. The utility works with the free drivers.

It displays the utilization of the graphics pipe, event engine, vertex 
cache,vertex group and tesselator, texture addresser and cache, the shader 
units and more, both with a relative percent value as well as a colorful bar 
diagram."

Reference - Synaptic package manager - Debian Buster

A starting place for fan speed control.

"Seems like you need to be able to create a custom fan curve. Try Corectrl, 
rather simple and has gui."

just image from internet but corectrl gui

Add PPA

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ernstp/mesarc

Update

sudo apt-get update

Install Corectrl

sudo apt install -y corectrl 

Reference - 
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1394954/how-to-control-amd-gpu-fan-speed

Re: [PLUG] lspci output and matching software to the actual hardware

[MC_Sequoia]

"How do I assure that the CPU and drivers for the controllers are
correctly matched to the hardware?"

If they're not correctly matched those devices either won't be recognize, 
they'll be listed as "unknown" in the lspci output or they won't work. 

Also, there are cases when there might be a few or many kernel modules that 
support a piece of hardware. I've only had very limited experience with this 
and that was mostly only with sound cards, ethernet controllers and wifi 
chipsets. This would require a some research and/or testing on your part to 
determine which kernel module is best. 

"Along with PCI hardware devices, lspci can show what kernel driver modules are 
loaded with the -k option. I add this option to my lspci commands to view 
several pieces of information about my Nvidia devices.

$ sudo lspci -nn -k -d 10de:
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK107 [GeForce GTX 
650] [10de:0fc6] (rev a1)
 Subsystem: eVga.com. Corp. GK107 [GeForce GTX 650] [3842:2650]
 Kernel driver in use: nvidia
 Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nouveau, nvidia_drm, nvidia
01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: NVIDIA Corporation GK107 HDMI Audio Controller 
[10de:0e1b] (rev a1)
 Subsystem: eVga.com. Corp. GK107 HDMI Audio Controller [3842:2650]
 Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
 Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel

Two additional lines are displayed: Kernel driver in use and Kernel modules. 
The second one lists the modules available to support the device."

Lastly,

"Keeping up to date

New devices and vendors are constantly entering the market. If you see a device 
listed as unknown, your PCI device ID database may be outdated. There are two 
ways to check. The -Q option uses DNS to query the central database. This, of 
course, requires network connectivity.

$ sudo lspci -Q

You can also update your local PCI ID database by running the command 
update-pciids.

$ sudo update-pciids
Downloaded daily snapshot dated 2021-08-22 03:15:0"

Reference - https://opensource.com/article/21/9/lspci-linux-hardware

Re: [PLUG] Webinar software recommendationsx

[MC_Sequoia]

> I've no idea. But, since there are no free, open source offerings and I have 
> no idea whether a time and money investment would produce a positive ROI,
> I've dropped the idea and will use podcasts and video tutorials instead, 
> They're one-way, but interested folks could contact me outside of the 
> audio/video presentations

In light of that, why not just create a Youtube channel? 

Some channels I subscribe to, I can click the "join" button & pay a few $/mth 
right through Youtube/Google or you could use something like Patreon. 

I've even watched a few Youtube livestreams where people make financial 
donations during the webcast.

Re: [PLUG] Webinar software recommendations

[MC_Sequoia]

> I've found a long list of F/OSS webinar software on sourceforge.net
> https://sourceforge.net/software/webinar/linux/.
> 
> 
> Having not used any before I'd like suggestions and recommendations based on
> your experiences hosting a webinar or attending a session.
> 

If memory serves, this topic has come up before and if I recall correctly, a 
few people mentioned Jitsi Meet and Jami for FOSS options. 

Even as someone with many years of paid & unpaid experience with Linux, IT 
support & LAN/WAN engineering, I'm not at all enthused about the idea of trying 
to set either up & get it working. Especially if the attendees are on a variety 
of different platforms. 

Why not just use some web hosted service like Google Meet or Zoho?

Re: [PLUG] "Ancient" Verizon fiber Re: Verizon towers ...

[MC_Sequoia]

"Anyway, single-mode fiber seems like a much more efficient,
spectrum-thrifty, and "ecological" way to move bits, than
towers and microwave-mmwave transmitters and the occasional
radar-blinded aircraft."

If only people did what is the most efficient & "ecological". 

I've been using the most efficient form of transportation known to humankind 
for 2 centuries now for over a decade. Nobody cares. 

Ain't nobody giving up their cars. Ain't nobody giving up their cell phone. I 
wish I could have a landline for $10 / mth and a phone that doesn't cost 
hundreds of dollars and can all to easily be damaged or destroyed.

Re: [PLUG] Verizon towers for internet ... 20 miles, really?

[MC_Sequoia]

"I presume this is a high frequency microwave system."

Verizon's 5G network is mmWave. The wavelength is about 1 mm long.   

"The FCC redefined the lower end of the mmWave range in the U.S. to begin in 
the upper range of the Super High Frequency zone, starting at 24GHz, crossing 
over into EHF on the way to 47GHz, which is currently the top end of the 
spectrum allocated for 5G."

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/what-is-mmwave-high-band-5g-explained/

The interesting part of the story according to Toms Guide is that Verizon spent 
a lot of $ to build out their 1st gen  5G network that most of its customers 
couldn't access. 

High speed if you're within range of a tower. 

It turns out that the "c-band" is the sweet spot for 5G that provides a good 
balance of performance & range that Verizon believes will provide 5G coverage 
to a 100 million people. 

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/verizon-5g-coverage-map-plans-phones-and-home-internet

So in reality, this is less about direct competition w. Comcast than it's that 
we screwed up, our customers and investors had a really big problem with that 
and here's how we're going to fix it. 



The FCC was able to carve out 280MHz of spectrum in this band — the 3.7–3.98GHz 
frequencies — for use by 5G operators. This became part of the landmark 
2020–2021 FCC auction in which Verizon paid a record-breaking $45.4 billion to 
get its hands on this essential new spectrum.

Re: [PLUG] Verizon towers for internet

[MC_Sequoia]

"I received a door-to-door sales pitch from Verizon. They claim they have 
wireless towers to service about a 20 mile radius per tower 
Subscribers would have a receiver which is basically a router, wireless out. 
The claim is 300Mb (MB?) down and up speeds. $50/mo. No other fees. 30 day free 
trial."

This is a direct shot at Comcast: 

" Ditch cable and switch stress-free.

​Our 30-Day Satisfaction Guarantee makes switching easy. Plus, we'll help cover 
the cost to switch with up to $500 towards early termination fees."

https://www.verizon.com/5g/home/

*ACP eligible too w. $30 subsidy. 

It states no data cap, no overage fees and guaranteed price. 

IMHO, there needs to be much more internet service competition. Ideally not 
between 2 giant corporations/monopolies. 

I've been using a cell phone wifi hotspot connection for a few years now. It 
meets my needs. I've no complaints.

[PLUG] Linux Foundation's Open Metaverse

[MC_Sequoia]

I learned about this today in the daily /. newsletter and thought some PLUG 
folks might find it interesting.

"The [mission](https://www.openmv.org/about/overview/) of the Open Metaverse 
Foundation (OMF) is to foster a strong community of developers, engineers, 
academics and thought leaders who will solve the difficult challenges of 
building the open Metaverse through open source software and standards that 
enable portability and interoperability for an inclusive, global, scalable 
world, supporting interactive and immersive experiences for the benefit of any 
individual or industry."

Reference - 
https://news.slashdot.org/story/23/01/21/234/linux-foundations-new-open-metaverse-foundation-launches

My first exposure to Linux was with Red Hat, but shortly thereafter, I 
discovered Debian, their social contract and commitment to non-proprietary 
drivers. From there I really got interested in Open Source, copyleft, Free 
Software Foundation, creative commons, etc.

Then I learned about Open Source Architecture building designs by people living 
in a particular area, especially after a natural disaster. 3D printers, 
Right2Repari, and most recently the GOAT tools multi-tool that is fully 
customizable, you can even fabricate your own tools and configure it as you 
need.

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Re: [PLUG] Protonmail vs PLUG - The battle rages on

[MC_Sequoia]

"Running from one vendor to the next isn't going to change anything -  You just 
keep running."

Yes, to a point. Is the fight to get this sorted out is worth your time and 
energy then go forth and fight the good fight. 

I greatly respect your values and commitment to truth, honesty, transparency 
and consistency. Throughout my career as a Network Engineer with some 
multinational telecom companies, I fought epic and ugly battles with sales & 
marketing teams as I often found myself advocating for the customer. 

In the end I burned a lot of bridges and the people that loved me when I went 
in and saved the sale when the customer was threatening to rip & replace our 
equipment, hated me when I called them out on their BS that caused the problem 
they had to send me in to fix. 

Anyway, every app, tool, technology has its strengths & weaknesses and might 
not work in every situation and there are other secure email providers. 

I personally think Riseup.net is a more secure service. They provide an 
internet canary too. Not too many service providers do that anymore to the best 
of my knowledge. 

"Riseup positively confirms that the integrity of our system is sound: all our 
infrastructure is in our control, we have not been compromised or suffered a 
data breach, we have not disclosed any private encryption keys, and we have not 
been forced to modify our system to allow access or information leakage to a 
third party.

This canary will be re-signed on the following dates:

* February 1
* May 1
* August 1
* November 1"

I jumped on Protonmail mostly b'cuz of the Android app but Riseup.net is a 
regional provider, Seattle based, and very much worth supporting. 

Your reporting of your problem has got me considering dropping Protonmail and 
recommitting to my riseup.net account that I never use as it's not as 
user-friendly.

Re: [PLUG] Question on Linux Firewalls (and hardware)

[MC_Sequoia]

"See https://www.amazon.com/Beelink-Intel-2-9Ghz-USB3-0-Type-C/dp/B09J4D6TMG/

I am trying to determine if this is a good choice for the hardware or not?"

The Opensense Hardware Sizing document is a good place to start. 
https://docs.opnsense.org/manual/hardware.html

It's the second result on a Google search of "Opensense firewall hardware". 

Re: [PLUG] Powered USB-A hub - LSUSB MaxPower

[MC_Sequoia]

You want to a guess what the MaxPower is listed for the Logitech V20 portable 
usb speakers are that are plugged into my pc?

I'll give you one guess. 

Yep, MaxPower is listed as 590 mA

"The USB 1.x and 2.0 specifications provide a 5 V supply on a single wire to 
power connected USB devices.

A unit load is defined as 100 mA in USB 2.0, and 150 mA in USB 3.0. A device 
may draw a maximum of 5 unit loads (500 mA) from a port in USB 2.0; 6 (900 mA) 
in USB 3.0."

"Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:0a04 Logitech, Inc. V20 portable speakers (USB 
powered)
Device Descriptor:
  bLength18
  bDescriptorType 1
  bcdUSB   1.10
  bDeviceClass0 
  bDeviceSubClass 0 
  bDeviceProtocol 0 
  bMaxPacketSize0 8
  idVendor   0x046d Logitech, Inc.
  idProduct  0x0a04 V20 portable speakers (USB powered)
  bcdDevice0.07
  iManufacturer   1 Logitech
  iProduct2 Logitech USB Speaker
  iSerial 0 
  bNumConfigurations  1
  Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength   0x00e9
bNumInterfaces  3
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration  3 G6 2005/03/29 10:05
bmAttributes 0xc0
  Self Powered
MaxPower  500mA


The total RMS Power of the Logitech V20 Portable USB Speakers = 2 W or 2000 mA. 

Whether I'm driving audio through the speakers our not, the MaxPower stays at 
500 mA. 

LSUSB MaxPower is the power output of the USB port the USB device is connected 
to and not what that MaxPower of the device is or can take. 

All the USB ports on my pc are 2.0, if you've a mix of USB ports or different 
PCs with different USB port specs, you can prove this by moving the USB device 
to the different ports and checking the MaxPower that LSUSB lists.



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--- Original Message ---
On Tuesday, January 17th, 2023 at 2:59 PM, Galen Seitz  
wrote:


> On 1/17/23 14:48, MC_Sequoia wrote:
> ...snip...
> 
> > So, in conclusion I think the "MaxPower" data point provided by lsusb
> > command is about the bus electrical output capacity that the device
> > is connected to and not about the device itself that's connected to
> > the usb bus.
> 
> 
> This is not true, at least not for a USB device (not a hub). The
> MaxPower descriptor contains the maximum current that the device will
> ever draw. Properly designed USB devices first come up in a low power
> state where they draw 100 mA or less. The software driving the USB
> system calculates how much power is available. If there is sufficient
> power available, then the system initializes the device and allows it to
> go to its desired higher power state.
> 
> 
> galen
> --
> Galen Seitz
> gal...@seitzassoc.com

Re: [PLUG] Powered USB-A hub - LSUSB MaxPower

[MC_Sequoia]

I was a bit skeptical about this MaxPower rating for a couple of reasons so I 
did some digging and I think I found some evidence to support my 
skepticism. 

Why is MaxPower given in Amps and not Watts? 

I suspect it's because MaxPOower refers to the usb bus and not the usb device 
connected to it. 

Here's 2 data points to support that theory.

1. "USB device configuration descriptor expresses bus power electrical current 
requirement in field bMaxPower." 

"usbutils 008 lsusb misreports MaxPower for SuperSpeed devices.  For example, 
lsusb -v outputs 'MaxPower 500mA' when a device is connected on 
High Speed bus, but 'MaxPower 224mA' when connected on SuperSpeed bus. usbfs 
devices holds correct 'MxPwr=896mA'."

Reference - https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg124590.html

SuperSpeed and HighSpeed refer to different USB bus standards. 

"SuperSpeed USB is ten times faster than USB 2.0 (also called HighSpeed USB) 
and increases the power output from about 100 milliamps to 900 milliamps."

Reference - 
https://www.techtarget.com/searchwindowsserver/definition/USB-30-SuperSpeed-USB

2. Electrical devices are rated by watts that you can find listed on them and 
circuit breakers are rated in amps. Why?

Because the amp rating is about capacity/output. For example, my rechargeable 
battery charger says:
 "Output - 220 mA - AA x 2
80 mA - AAA x 2

3. "As with earlier versions of USB, USB 3.0 provides power at 5 volts nominal. 
The available current for low-power (one unit load) SuperSpeed devices is 150 
mA, an increase from the 100 mA defined in USB 2.0. For high-power SuperSpeed 
devices, the limit is six unit loads or 900 mA (4.5 W)—almost twice USB 2.0's 
500 mA.[12]: section 9.2.5.1 Power Budgeting 

USB 3.0 ports may implement other USB specifications for increased power, 
including the USB Battery Charging Specification for up to 1.5 A or 7.5 W, or, 
in the case of USB 3.1, the USB Power Delivery Specification for charging the 
host device up to 100 W.[14]"

Reference - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_3.0

So, in conclusion I think the "MaxPower" data point provided by lsusb command 
is about the bus electrical output capacity that the device is connected to and 
not about the device itself that's connected to the usb bus.

This might not affect your buying decision, but I think it's worth having 
correct information and understanding what you're working with. 

Re: [PLUG] Powered USB-A hub

[MC_Sequoia]

I've long been a fan of Tom's Hardware as trustworthy source of good 
information on pc hardware. They write reviews based on actual tests and they 
explain their testing methodology for power output, data throughput/bottleneck, 
etc. 

I saw a Sabrent and Anker hub listed in their top 10 list. 

https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-usb-hubs

The reviews provide quite a bit of info for each hub as well as some other good 
hubs that aren't the best in class but worth considering.

For example, one of the hub models has less hubs, 7 instead of 10, but it's 
only $6 cheaper and you don't get any dedicated charging ports. 

Which as more and more devices are usb rechargeable, I'm always in need of more 
usb charging ports.

[PLUG] Mozilla Firefox, Cloudflare DNS Resolver and Digital Citizenship

[MC_Sequoia]

"I did find an interesting discussion by Cloudflare CEO stating how she wants 
digital citizenship to be forced upon everyone, and I found it fascinating that 
my Mozilla Firefox browser was pushing DNS lookups via Cloudflare."

Firstly, I want to very clear that personal privacy, anonymity & security is 
very important to me whether in the digital or non-digital realm and I think 
it's in our collective best interest to be.

With that being said, I'm by no means a digital privacy & security expert.

Here's the DNS data that Cloudflare collects.

:What information does the Cloudflare resolver for Firefox collect?

Any data Cloudflare handles as a result of its resolver for Firefox is as a 
data processor acting pursuant to Firefox’s data processing instructions. 
Therefore, the data Cloudflare collects and processes pursuant to its agreement 
with Firefox is not covered by the [Cloudflare Privacy 
Policy](https://www.cloudflare.com/privacypolicy/)

. As part of its agreement with Firefox, Cloudflare has agreed to collect only 
a limited amount of data about the DNS requests that are sent to the Cloudflare 
Resolver for Firefox via the Firefox browser. Cloudflare will collect only the 
following information from Firefox users:

- date
- dateTime
- srcAsNum
- srcIPVersion
- dstIPVersion
- dstIPv6
- dstIPv4
- dstPort
- protocol
- queryName
- queryType
- queryClass
- queryRd
- queryDo
- querySize
- queryEdns
- ednsVersion
- ednsPayload
- ednsNsid
- responseType
- responseCode
- responseSize
- responseCount
- responseTimeMs
- responseCached
- responseMinTTL
- answerData type
- answerData
- validationState
- coloID (unique Cloudflare data center ID)
- metalId (unique Cloudflare data center ID)

All of the above information will be stored briefly as part of Cloudflare’s 
temporary logs, and then permanently deleted within 24 hours of Cloudflare’s 
receipt of such information. In addition to the above information, Cloudflare 
will also collect and store the following information as part of its permanent 
logs.

- Total number of requests processed by each Cloudflare co-location facility.
- Aggregate list of all domain names requested.
- Samples of domain names queried along with the times of such queries.

Information stored in Cloudflare’s permanent logs will be anonymized and may be 
held indefinitely by Cloudflare for its own internal research and development 
purposes.:"

Reference - 
https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/privacy/cloudflare-resolver-firefox

I don't know what every piece of DNS query data listed is but I can if this is 
accurate and fully transparent I only see the destination ip addr and no source 
ip addr. Therefore, none of your DNS queries can be tied back to your ip 
address.

There isn't anything here that concerns me. Maybe you know more and if you 
think there are things here to be concerned with, I'm very interested in 
learning more.

It seems to me that Mozilla has been investing in privacy & security over the 
years and that investment has paid dividends with good reviews from security 
pros and they've even gained some market share. I believe in the Mozilla 
Foundation and I think it's an organization worth $upporting.

Let me very clearly state that I'm against hate, violence, bigotry, racism, 
oppression, misogyny, ignorance, misinformation and fear mongering. Much of 
which I saw on various social media platforms that I stopped using many years 
ago.

So, when unfounded claims based on fear and/or ignorance are posted in public 
spaces, I strongly support the challenging and open discussion of them.

I did a few quick web searches and I couldn't find any credible sources that 
talked about "digital citizenship being forced upon everyone."

I did however find this TechCrunch article from 2014.

"A lot of political speech now happens online, but that also makes it very 
vulnerable to DDoS attacks from those who don’t agree with a given viewpoint. 
Many of these sites are hosted by individual journalists (and citizen 
journalists, if you want to make that distinction) and artists, who likely 
don’t have the infrastructure and knowledge to protect themselves against these 
attacks.

To help keep these sites operating, online security and CDN service 
[CloudFlare](http://cloudflare.com) today announced [Project 
Galileo](http://projectgalileo.org/), a partnership with 15 NGOs to help it 
identify and protect sites around the world that are under attack. These NGOs 
include the [Access](https://www.accessnow.org/), 
[ACUL](https://www.aclu.org/), the [Electronic Frontier 
Foundation](https://www.eff.org/) (EFF), the[Center for Democracy and 
Technology](https://cdt.org/), [Mozilla](http://www.mozilla.org/), the 
[Committee to Protect Journalists](https://www.cpj.org/) and the [Freedom of 
the Press Foundation](https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/).

Among the sites already protected by the project are minority-rights 
organizations, LGBT groups in Africa and the Middle East, 

Re: [PLUG] trying to lock down DNS addresses problem

[MC_Sequoia]

"You can install your own wifi router behind the cable modem. At that point you 
could change the settings that the router hands out for DNS.

"The pi-hole project shows how to change the settings where they point to your 
local pi-hole server and it forwards anything unknown to a location of your 
choice."

Another similar option that is both very secure and good performing is to use a 
dns-caching server on the Linux pc. 

Your PC only makes 1 query to a public DNS and then stores the ip address 
locally that is used for all subsequent queries to for that domain name. 

It has been many years since I've done this and I think I used DjbDNS or 
TinyDNS on my Debian system. 

I suspect if you search your package manager app for "dns cache", you'll find a 
DNS caching server app that you can install and then Google search for 
configuration instructions. 

s

Re: [PLUG] URL to download xubuntu live?

[MC_Sequoia]

> Thanks. He uses a laptop but I'm sure the URL will help him.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rich

"Desktop" just refers to a non-file server distribution. Some distros, like 
Debian, don't have separate file server & desktop distros. 

I run Debian on an old, beat-up, low resource HP laptop. 

Desktop oriented distros are bundled with a GUI Desktop verses such as Gnome, 
KDE, XFACE, etc which are bundled with more home / work everyday use apps 
including games, music players, chat apps, email apps, etc. 

But any of those Desktops can be installed and run on file server distro, like 
Debian. During the Debian install, you can choose between a few different 
desktop GUIs or not install any Desktop GUI at all.

Re: [PLUG] URL to download xubuntu live?

[MC_Sequoia]

> http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/22.04/release/xubuntu-22.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
> 

For what it's worth, FFOX balked at this link w. a message that it's insecure, 
non-https, and that the file may be tampered with or corrupted during download. 

This https link to Ubuntu's official site provides a good intro to Ubuntu, 
https://ubuntu.com/desktop and here's a link to the many flavors of the Ubuntu 
Desktop distro, of which there are now 8,https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours

Re: [PLUG] trying to lock down DNS addresses problem

[MC_Sequoia]

If you're connected to the ExpressVPN, the DNS should be set automagically via 
DHCP from ExpressVPN.

That's the whole point of using their service. Also, DNS ip addrs can and do 
change over time. 

I don't understand why you're manually configuring DNS on your router & pc.

Also, a quick Google search turned up a very interesting article about DNS over 
HTTPS and DNS over TLS support in Firefox, Opera & Chrome. FFox & Opera use 
Cloudflare's DNS.

I only perused the article, although it generally seems to be a manual 
override, FFOX is actively experimenting and there are different modes. 

As Cloudflare is or was one of the largest CDNs in the world it would make 
sense for these browsers to partner with them. 

Anyway, here's a link to the rabbit hole, should you choose to explore it. 
https://blog.cloudflare.com/dns-encryption-explained/

Re: [PLUG] question on how to fix a mysterious DNS address problem

[MC_Sequoia]

"running a nmcli command showed me where the VPN address is coming from

nmcli --show-secrets connection show tun0

...lot of output including

ipv4.addresses: 10.18.0.38/16
ipv4.gateway:   10.18.0.1

So my openSuse Leap 15.4 system using Network Manager and the openvpn
built in component is setting up the address into the /etc/resolv.conf file.

Apparently this VPN is useless to my Netgear c6300v2 cable modem/router
as at this point in time, I don't believe the router has anyway of
connecting to the vpn tunnel."

I very strongly suspect you don't understand any of this. There's no VPN 
involved here. 

That "ipv,gateway" address is the LAN side ip address of your Netgear router. 
Your PC is configured to use DHCP to configure DNS via the LAN gateway device. 

This is all very standard default out of the box pc & network router 
configuration.

When your pc wants to go to Google.com, it sends a DNS resolve query to the the 
network gateway, which then proxies that query to the Internet side of the the 
network gateway that by standard default configuration gets its DNS from via 
DHCP from your ISP. 

There's nothing mysterious, VPN, secret, etc. This is all very standard default 
out of the box workings of DHCP and DNS.

Re: [PLUG] ubuntu-mate, gnome-3, power fail

[MC_Sequoia]

Thank you for sharing your unfortunate experience. A power glitch during an 
auto-update isn't a scenario I would've ever imagined. 

There are a couple of things I really love about Debian. One is that you can do 
a minimalist server install. 

A smaller package footprint to maintain which may translate into less system 
problems. 

For example, you could choose to not install a desktop enviro on the 
Debian-Mate server and just ssh in from the Ubuntu-Mate pc. 

Re: [PLUG] LiFePO4 UPS?

[MC_Sequoia]

 
> > Theoretically, it can provide a signal that tells my
> > computers to prepare for shutdown, but it doesn't seem
> > to play nice with Linux. Most of the outages have been
> > less than 30 seconds, so triggered shutdown is not a
> > "must have". However, extra bonus points if the UPS
> > /does/ behave well with more than one Linux machine.

This part shouldn't be a problem as Linux Network UPS Tools have been around 
since at least 2008 according to this article that explains how to use them. 
https://www.linux.com/news/adding-ups-desktop-linux-machine/

Out of curiosity I did a few quick searches on "environmentally friendly" 
battery backup systems. 

Current UPS models from APC and Tripp Lite have "eco-friendly" ports which 
power down when the device connected to them is turned off or in sleep mode but 
they all use SLA batteries. 

They also have USB charging ports, which if you don't have a battery bank for 
you cell phone, would be very useful in a many hours / days long power outage. 

I use a dirt cheap laptop running Debian that doesn't have any life critical 
data on it that is plugged into a $2 used surge protector that I daily just 
pull the power plug out of it while it's running and then just plug it in 
somewhere else. 

Obviously, if you've got file servers and databases that are being constantly 
written to then you want a clean shutdown if there's a power outage. 

Re: [PLUG] question on how to fix a mysterious DNS address problem

[MC_Sequoia]

"How do I fix this and how do I discover where this mysterious 10.18.0.1
address is coming from?

Your pc is using DHCP to configure networking, including DNS. This ip address 
is the LAN side of your network gateway and is used for local DNS lookups on 
your LAN. 

Which you might only have the 1 pc connected to your ISP's network device and 
don't have a need for local DNS lookups

There's nothing nefarious going on here. This is standard DHCP network 
configuration.

If you don't want this, you'll have to figure out to disable DNS configuration 
via DHCP in the netconfig script.

Re: [PLUG] wget NOT getting all the pages

[MC_Sequoia]

I'm not sure if this is applicable to your situation but wget can only get 
elements that are included directly on the page. For example, wget cannot run 
javascript code, and therefore cannot determine, which elements are loaded from 
javascript after a page is loaded.




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On Tuesday, December 27th, 2022 at 4:18 PM, American Citizen 
 wrote:


> Hi
> 
> I used wget recently to try to download all 26 or 27 pages of my
> website, but it seems to miss about 40% of the pages.
> 
> Does anyone have the CLI command line which captures 100% of a website
> URLS ?
> 
> I tried the typical
> 
> %wget -r --tries=10 https://my.website.com/ -o logfile
> 
> as suggested in the "man wget" command, but it did NOT capture all the
> webpages. I even tried a wait parameter, but that only slowed things up
> and did not remedy the missing websubpages issue.
> 
> I appreciate any tips so that ALL of the website data can be captured by
> wget. Yes, I am aware of the robots.txt restricting downloadable information
> 
> - Randall

Re: [PLUG] Linux laptop recommendations?

[MC_Sequoia]

I was curious to see what Google had to say about the best Linux laptops.

I read a couple of articles from Techradar, Popular Science, ZDNet to name a 
few. 

Laptops from System76, Lenovo and Dell were on all the lists. 

But here's some interesting things that I learned from just quickly perusing 
these articles that if I were shopping around for a Linux laptop, I'd take the 
time to read a few of these articles and take the info contained within into 
consideration. 

1. With System76 developing it's own hardware and OS, they're able to maximize 
performance, such as battery life as one article talked about.

2. Starlabs, who I hadn't known about until I just read about their laptops, 
are highly configurable. 

3. The HP Dev One is a collaboration between HP & System76.

4. The Acer Chromebook can run Android Apps. That's something I personally am 
very interested in.

Re: [PLUG] Linux laptop recommendations?

[MC_Sequoia]

As I'm a just your average home user of Linux these days, I'm not testing out 
the latest & greatest distros or getting under the hood much and mostly just 
use my computer as a web browser, I might be wrong about this but it seems like 
these days most any laptop will play nice w. any currently supported Linux 
distro. 

Especially, if like me, you're not running a bleeding edge distro like Debian 
on older hardware. 

I'd suggest taking a look at what Free Geek has to offer, 
https://www.ebay.com/str/freegeekportland , especially if you don't need 
modern, high-end hardware. You'd be supporting a local organization that does 
good work in the community & you'd get local support not just from Free Geek 
but I'm sure there are many folks on PLUG, including myself that run Linux on 
older HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc hardware.