Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

[John Jason Jordan]

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 11:01:55 -0700
Galen Seitz  dijo:

>I was going to put this on the plug-talk list for John to chew on, but 
>since the subject came up here...
>
>You Are Not a Parrot
>

Too much to chew on simply and easily. And it's anglo-centric, meaning
that it ignores features from non-Indo-European languages, e.g.,
polysynthetic languages, and even agglutinative languages.

To my mind there are two points of focus in linguistics:

1) Traditional linguistics: Syntax, phonetics, phonology, morphology

2) Discourse analysis: How we react to conversation.

(2) is way harder to deal with. An example might be a classroom at PSU
with multiple cameras to record instruction while teaching English to
speakers of other language, in order to analyze the teacher-student
interactions to improve their communication. Analyzing conversation is
not a simple process; far more complex than other aspects of
linguistics.

Linguists involved in (2) are also well versed in (1), because it is
considered the basis of linguistics, plus they had to study (1) on the
way to their doctorates. Yet, incorrect discourse expressions can
render misunderstanding, even while syntactically accurate:

a) She discovered the answer.

Who discovered the answer? A syntactician would simply render this
utterance as a legal expression under the rules of English. A discourse
analyst would want to know who 'she' is; was the person referred to
earlier, was she the subject of a previous conversation, etc.

I belong with the (1) linguists, but as a writer I find the work of (2)
linguists very useful.

Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

Fast Start is sometimes fixed by a BIOS update.  I suspect MS changed the API 
used to talk to BIOS from Windows regarding hibernation and such at one point.

At least with windows it is possible to disable Telemetry.  Not possible with a 
cell phone unless it's a rooted Android phone and none of the carrier-sold 
phones seem to permit unlocking the bootloader.  Since most people buy their 
cell phones from the carrier, it pretty much means rooting is off the table

And for the iphone it's not even on the table at all no matter who you buy your 
phone from.  They are even a worse company than Google and Microsoft in this 
respect.

My Pixel6a has my Omrom BP software on it that talks to my BP cuff, my fitbit 
on it, my scale data.  If they want they can get every biological bit of data 
they want on me, where I am at, pretty much everything except for maybe how 
many times I have sex.   Oh wait:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2011/07/05/fitbit-moves-quickly-after-users-sex-stats-exposed/?sh=56583aba4327

LOL.   Seriously, I had the thing rooted within 6 hours after buying it.

Ted

-Original Message-
From: PLUG  On Behalf Of Ben Koenig
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2023 1:14 AM
To: Portland Linux/Unix Group 
Subject: Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

The initial response included instructions for scanpst.exe. I didn't copy it in 
because it was HUGE. Took forever for it to print out in their interface. 

But the reason I tried that question was because a few weeks ago I actually got 
that from a user at the company I'm working at. He was having an ongoing 
problem with this error message and previous attempts by tech support to fix it 
had failed. This included running scanpst.exe, but the problem kept coming back 
no matter how many times he rebooted his PC.

Turns out He was on windows 10 and kept doing a "cold boot" by shutting 
down the laptop ("shutdown" from the start menu) and then booting it back up. I 
had him try "restart" instead of "shut down" and the problem magically went 
away. Also resolved a few other issues as well. So I disabled FAST START (the 
feature responsible for the behavior that he was experiencing) and the user was 
super stoked to finally have this fixed.

This leads me to wonder if any AI chat technology sponsored by a given company 
will have the ability to question the functionality of a product designed by 
said company. Will MS-sponsored AI be able to recognize that Windows is just a 
piece of shit and consider implementing workarounds that DISABLE functionality 
that MS wants to push on users? Seems like a conflict of interest.

-Ben


--- Original Message ---
On Thursday, March 30th, 2023 at 12:41 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt 
 wrote:


> What is COMPLETELY STUPID about that advice is the OST file is ONLY created 
> when Outlook is connected to an Exchange server and it is a duplicate of the 
> mailbox in the Exchange server database.
> 
> You also can't delete cached mode since the Exchange server sends out a GPO 
> that enforces whatever way it wants to setup.
> 
> So if it gets corrupted the fix is simple - delete the Outlook profile and 
> create a new one and login and the OST file will be recreated.
> 
> It is the PST file that you use repair tools and other such nonsense 
> on. And the Microsoft supplied tool is scanpst.exe
> 
> Incidentally the most common PST error I ever see is caused by corruption 
> from spams.
> 
> Ted
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: PLUG plug-boun...@pdxlinux.org On Behalf Of Ben Koenig
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 11:44 PM
> To: Portland Linux/Unix Group plug@pdxlinux.org
> 
> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> On Wednesday, March 29th, 2023 at 6:13 PM, Keith Lofstrom kei...@kl-ic.com 
> wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> > Career sys-admins, take note. You may want to retrain as a career 
> > re-trainer; many sys-admins may soon be looking for new careers.
> > ...
> 
> 
> On this particular note... I decided to give chatgpt a test and see how it 
> handles a basic tech support question. I'm abbreviating the responses due to 
> hardcore mansplaining.
> 
> Q: My Outlook is giving me an error saying that the OST file is corrupted. 
> How do I fix it?
> 
> The provided response was pretty large. Lots of instructions for a tool that 
> repairs the OST file which is common. Also includes a last resort step to 
> recreate the file entirely. So I issued a follow up question...
> 
> Q: I tried to re-create my ost file but that didn't work.
> 
> A: It recommended disabling cached mode. Recommended using a third party tool 
> to repair the OST file, and then dropped this beautiful piec

Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023, Galen Seitz wrote:

I was going to put this on the plug-talk list for John to chew on, but since 
the subject came up here...

You Are Not a Parrot



galen,

That's a great article. Thank you.

I think it confirms that the search for extraterrestrial intelligence is
necessary because there's a dearth of terrestrial intelligence.

Regards,

Rich

Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

[Galen Seitz]

I was going to put this on the plug-talk list for John to chew on, but 
since the subject came up here...


You Are Not a Parrot


galen
--
Galen Seitz
gal...@seitzassoc.com

Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

[Ben Koenig]

The initial response included instructions for scanpst.exe. I didn't copy it in 
because it was HUGE. Took forever for it to print out in their interface. 

But the reason I tried that question was because a few weeks ago I actually got 
that from a user at the company I'm working at. He was having an ongoing 
problem with this error message and previous attempts by tech support to fix it 
had failed. This included running scanpst.exe, but the problem kept coming back 
no matter how many times he rebooted his PC.

Turns out He was on windows 10 and kept doing a "cold boot" by shutting 
down the laptop ("shutdown" from the start menu) and then booting it back up. I 
had him try "restart" instead of "shut down" and the problem magically went 
away. Also resolved a few other issues as well. So I disabled FAST START (the 
feature responsible for the behavior that he was experiencing) and the user was 
super stoked to finally have this fixed.

This leads me to wonder if any AI chat technology sponsored by a given company 
will have the ability to question the functionality of a product designed by 
said company. Will MS-sponsored AI be able to recognize that Windows is just a 
piece of shit and consider implementing workarounds that DISABLE functionality 
that MS wants to push on users? Seems like a conflict of interest.

-Ben


--- Original Message ---
On Thursday, March 30th, 2023 at 12:41 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt 
 wrote:


> What is COMPLETELY STUPID about that advice is the OST file is ONLY created 
> when Outlook is connected to an Exchange server and it is a duplicate of the 
> mailbox in the Exchange server database.
> 
> You also can't delete cached mode since the Exchange server sends out a GPO 
> that enforces whatever way it wants to setup.
> 
> So if it gets corrupted the fix is simple - delete the Outlook profile and 
> create a new one and login and the OST file will be recreated.
> 
> It is the PST file that you use repair tools and other such nonsense on. And 
> the Microsoft supplied tool is scanpst.exe
> 
> Incidentally the most common PST error I ever see is caused by corruption 
> from spams.
> 
> Ted
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: PLUG plug-boun...@pdxlinux.org On Behalf Of Ben Koenig
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 11:44 PM
> To: Portland Linux/Unix Group plug@pdxlinux.org
> 
> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> On Wednesday, March 29th, 2023 at 6:13 PM, Keith Lofstrom kei...@kl-ic.com 
> wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> > Career sys-admins, take note. You may want to retrain as a career
> > re-trainer; many sys-admins may soon be looking for new careers.
> > ...
> 
> 
> On this particular note... I decided to give chatgpt a test and see how it 
> handles a basic tech support question. I'm abbreviating the responses due to 
> hardcore mansplaining.
> 
> Q: My Outlook is giving me an error saying that the OST file is corrupted. 
> How do I fix it?
> 
> The provided response was pretty large. Lots of instructions for a tool that 
> repairs the OST file which is common. Also includes a last resort step to 
> recreate the file entirely. So I issued a follow up question...
> 
> Q: I tried to re-create my ost file but that didn't work.
> 
> A: It recommended disabling cached mode. Recommended using a third party tool 
> to repair the OST file, and then dropped this beautiful piece of advice into 
> the chat.
> 
> "If none of these solutions work, you may need to contact your IT department 
> or an IT professional for further assistance."
> 
> I just love how it repeated the standard MS response. Every BSoD includes 
> that message and being the LLM that it is, regurgitated what is probably one 
> of the most common error messages to ever exist. Do we have any reason to 
> believe that Bard is any better?
> 
> -Ben

Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

What is COMPLETELY STUPID about that advice is the OST file is ONLY created 
when Outlook is connected to an Exchange server and it is a duplicate of the 
mailbox in the Exchange server database.

You also can't delete cached mode since the Exchange server sends out a GPO 
that enforces whatever way it wants to setup.

So if it gets corrupted the fix is simple - delete the Outlook profile and 
create a new one and login and the OST file will be recreated.

It is the _PST_ file that you use repair tools and other such nonsense on.  And 
the Microsoft supplied tool is scanpst.exe

Incidentally the most common PST error I ever see is caused by corruption from 
spams.

Ted

-Original Message-
From: PLUG  On Behalf Of Ben Koenig
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 11:44 PM
To: Portland Linux/Unix Group 
Subject: Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

--- Original Message ---
On Wednesday, March 29th, 2023 at 6:13 PM, Keith Lofstrom  
wrote:
...
> Career sys-admins, take note. You may want to retrain as a career 
> re-trainer; many sys-admins may soon be looking for new careers.
> ...

On this particular note... I decided to give chatgpt a test and see how it 
handles a basic tech support question. I'm abbreviating the responses due to 
hardcore mansplaining. 

Q: My Outlook is giving me an error saying that the OST file is corrupted. How 
do I fix it?

The provided response was pretty large. Lots of instructions for a tool that 
repairs the OST file which is common. Also includes a last resort step to 
recreate the file entirely.  So I issued a follow up question...

Q: I tried to re-create my ost file but that didn't work.

A: It recommended disabling cached mode. Recommended using a third party tool 
to repair the OST file, and then dropped this beautiful piece of advice into 
the chat.

"If none of these solutions work, you may need to contact your IT department or 
an IT professional for further assistance."

I just love how it repeated the standard MS response. Every BSoD includes that 
message and being the LLM that it is, regurgitated what is probably one of the 
most common error messages to ever exist. Do we have any reason to believe that 
Bard is any better?
-Ben

Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

[Ben Koenig]

--- Original Message ---
On Wednesday, March 29th, 2023 at 6:13 PM, Keith Lofstrom  
wrote:
...
> Career sys-admins, take note. You may want to retrain as
> a career re-trainer; many sys-admins may soon be looking
> for new careers.
> ...

On this particular note... I decided to give chatgpt a test and see how it 
handles a basic tech support question. I'm abbreviating the responses due to 
hardcore mansplaining. 

Q: My Outlook is giving me an error saying that the OST file is corrupted. How 
do I fix it?

The provided response was pretty large. Lots of instructions for a tool that 
repairs the OST file which is common. Also includes a last resort step to 
recreate the file entirely.  So I issued a follow up question...

Q: I tried to re-create my ost file but that didn't work.

A: It recommended disabling cached mode. Recommended using a third party tool 
to repair the OST file, and then dropped this beautiful piece of advice into 
the chat.

"If none of these solutions work, you may need to contact your IT department or 
an IT professional for further assistance."

I just love how it repeated the standard MS response. Every BSoD includes that 
message and being the LLM that it is, regurgitated what is probably one of the 
most common error messages to ever exist. Do we have any reason to believe that 
Bard is any better?
-Ben

Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

I read through that and my rule of thumb on those is anyone offering investment 
advice better have 100M in net worth if I'm going to pay any attention to what 
they have to say.  If his AI isn't working to get him 100M it's definitely not 
going to help me.

The fundamental problem with AI though isn't whether you can make it work or 
not.  The fundamental problem is liability.
 
Suppose I can build an AI program that has a 99.9% success rate at driving a 
vehicle.   It has crashes/accidents at the rate of .01% which is far better 
than 99% of humans out there who drive cars.

Note that the very paper you quoted talks about safety protocols in AI to 
REDUCE the chance of problems.  Not eliminate them.  So already, that paper is 
assuming that any AI system is going to have an error rate.

You can argue that more lives would be saved if the government passed laws that 
required every driver to stop driving and substitute my AI.  And it would 
absolutely reduce accidents and save lives.  That can be proven.

But what you CANNOT do is find a car company that would build a car with that 
AI under that kind of legal system because if drivers are required by law to 
give control over to an AI then liability for the .01 accidents that DO happen 
is going to fall on the car company.  And with the number of cars out there and 
mileage driven by them .01 would be billions of dollars in payouts a year to 
cover AI errors.

Uber got it's hands burned by the Elaine Herzberg accident and sold off it's AI 
vehicle control division.  They learned what I had been posting on car forums 
for years before anyone started testing AI controlled vehicles - there WILL be 
accidents.

You are also NEVER going to find a car buyer who will buy a car that requires 
them to give up control over the vehicle - yet makes them personally liable for 
any accidents (errors) that the AI has with that vehicle.

So AI for vehicle control is dead.

And by extension if you think about it, because of that same problem, AI 
control of anything else having to do with health and human safety is also 
dead.   Forget an AI controlled surgeon for example.  Or an AI controlled 
electrical grid, or nuclear reactor or anything else.

This is why we don't have AI controlled jet planes.  Even though they have 
autopilots they still require a human's butt to warm a chair in the cockpit.  
Because of liability.

You may be able to sell an AI controlled weapon since weapons by definition 
have no liability.  For now.  There is a huge movement to make gun makers 
liable, though.

But the more you think about this the more you realize the inherent problems in 
AI.   You put an AI in charge of customer service for let's say a cellular 
phone company and you WILL see a rise in complaints, tarnished reputation of 
that company, and decreased sales as a result.  The business owner is 
eventually going to see the AI as a liability and jettison it.

I've been involved in high tech for years now and every few years there is 
ALWAYS some new technology that everyone in high tech thinks is going to 
fundamentally change things.   AI is just the latest one in a long list of 
these.

The ONLY new tech I've ever seen in my life that did fundamentally change 
things is communications tech advancements like the Internet, cell phone 
texting, and so on.   The new tech that lasts and becomes dominant is ALWAYS 
tech that facilitates human-to-human communication.  Bet on that and you will 
never lose.  This very mailing list is proof of that.

Ted

-Original Message-
From: PLUG  On Behalf Of John Sechrest
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 10:23 PM
To: Portland Linux/Unix Group 
Subject: Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

Let me suggest that much of our understanding of reasoning is not in the boxes 
that we think it is in.

Let me point you to this paper:
https://yoheinakajima.com/task-driven-autonomous-agent-utilizing-gpt-4-pinecone-and-langchain-for-diverse-applications/

and let me suggest that you look at what he is doing with http://yohei.me

and his twitter address http://twitter.com/yoheinakajima

A bit shift has happened. We are still in the process of understanding what it 
means.



On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 10:05 PM MC_Sequoia 
wrote:

> "Career sys-admins, take note.  You may want to retrain as a career 
> re-trainer; many sys-admins may soon be looking for new careers."
>
> Color me very skeptical. One large blind spot of AI is context and/or 
> situational understanding.
>
> A few examples.
>
> The AI that made a digital stick person fall on it's face then stand 
> up on its head and fall over again then repeat as the fastest way for 
> the person to get from point A to Point B.
>
> The AI security camera that was defeated by a group of Marines who 
> snuck up on it by posing as a cardboard box, bush, trashcan or just b

Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

[Ben Koenig]

Was that English? Or did the rules of grammar change when i wasn't looking?

-Ben


--- Original Message ---
On Wednesday, March 29th, 2023 at 10:22 PM, John Sechrest 
 wrote:


> Let me suggest that much of our understanding of reasoning is not in the
> boxes that we think it is in.
> 
> Let me point you to this paper:
> https://yoheinakajima.com/task-driven-autonomous-agent-utilizing-gpt-4-pinecone-and-langchain-for-diverse-applications/
> 
> and let me suggest that you look at what he is doing with http://yohei.me
> 
> and his twitter address http://twitter.com/yoheinakajima
> 
> A bit shift has happened. We are still in the process of understanding what
> it means.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 10:05 PM MC_Sequoia mcsequ...@protonmail.com
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > "Career sys-admins, take note. You may want to retrain as
> > a career re-trainer; many sys-admins may soon be looking
> > for new careers."
> > 
> > Color me very skeptical. One large blind spot of AI is context and/or
> > situational understanding.
> > 
> > A few examples.
> > 
> > The AI that made a digital stick person fall on it's face then stand up on
> > its head and fall over again then repeat as the fastest way for the person
> > to get from point A to Point B.
> > 
> > The AI security camera that was defeated by a group of Marines who snuck
> > up on it by posing as a cardboard box, bush, trashcan or just by doing
> > somersaults and not moving like a normal human being would.
> > 
> > If I had a nickel for every time some newbie blew something up, whether
> > they be a sys-admin, developer, engineer, etc who didn't understand the
> > codebase, the problem, the network, the work flow, the use case, etc.
> > 
> > There are many ways to solve any given computer problem and usually we
> > humans have preferences in terms of efficiency, cost, elegance, simplicity,
> > service disruption, time, etc.
> > 
> > To me, that is the mark of intelligence. It's not just solving a given
> > problem but solving it in a way that takes many of those into account
> > and/or in order of priority and/or preference.
> > 
> > I mean, has any problem posted on the PLUG list ever been solved without a
> > fairly robust discussion regarding taking at least a few things into
> > consideration?
> 
> 
> --
> --
> [image: www.seattleangelconference.com]
> http://www.seattleangelconference.com/
> 
> 
> JOHN SECHREST
> *Founder, *Seattle Angel Conference
> TEL (541) 250-0844 EMAIL sechr...@seattleangel.com
> Schedule A Meeting http://sechrest.youcanbookme.com/
> 
> 
> http://seattleangelconference.com
> @nwangelconf
> 
> An Investor driven event bringing together new investors and new
> entrepreneurs to expand the startup ecosystem.

Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

[John Sechrest]

Let me suggest that much of our understanding of reasoning is not in the
boxes that we think it is in.

Let me point you to this paper:
https://yoheinakajima.com/task-driven-autonomous-agent-utilizing-gpt-4-pinecone-and-langchain-for-diverse-applications/

and let me suggest that you look at what he is doing with http://yohei.me

and his twitter address http://twitter.com/yoheinakajima

A bit shift has happened. We are still in the process of understanding what
it means.



On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 10:05 PM MC_Sequoia 
wrote:

> "Career sys-admins, take note.  You may want to retrain as
> a career re-trainer; many sys-admins may soon be looking
> for new careers."
>
> Color me very skeptical. One large blind spot of AI is context and/or
> situational understanding.
>
> A few examples.
>
> The AI that made a digital stick person fall on it's face then stand up on
> its head and fall over again then repeat as the fastest way for the person
> to get from point A to Point B.
>
> The AI security camera that was defeated by a group of Marines who snuck
> up on it by posing as a cardboard box, bush, trashcan or just by doing
> somersaults and not moving like a normal human being would.
>
> If I had a nickel for every time some newbie blew something up, whether
> they be a sys-admin, developer, engineer, etc who didn't understand the
> codebase, the problem, the network, the work flow, the use case, etc.
>
> There are many ways to solve any given computer problem and usually we
> humans have preferences in terms of efficiency, cost, elegance, simplicity,
> service disruption, time, etc.
>
> To me, that is the mark of intelligence. It's not just solving a given
> problem but solving it in a way that takes many of those into account
> and/or in order of priority and/or preference.
>
> I mean, has any problem posted on the PLUG list ever been solved without a
> fairly robust discussion regarding taking at least a few things into
> consideration?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
--
[image: www.seattleangelconference.com]


*JOHN SECHREST*
*Founder, *Seattle Angel Conference
TEL  (541) 250-0844EMAIL  sechr...@seattleangel.com
Schedule A Meeting 

http://seattleangelconference.com
@nwangelconf

An Investor driven event bringing together new investors and new
entrepreneurs to expand the startup ecosystem.

Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

[MC_Sequoia]

"Career sys-admins, take note.  You may want to retrain as
a career re-trainer; many sys-admins may soon be looking
for new careers."

Color me very skeptical. One large blind spot of AI is context and/or 
situational understanding. 

A few examples. 

The AI that made a digital stick person fall on it's face then stand up on its 
head and fall over again then repeat as the fastest way for the person to get 
from point A to Point B. 

The AI security camera that was defeated by a group of Marines who snuck up on 
it by posing as a cardboard box, bush, trashcan or just by doing somersaults 
and not moving like a normal human being would. 

If I had a nickel for every time some newbie blew something up, whether they be 
a sys-admin, developer, engineer, etc who didn't understand the codebase, the 
problem, the network, the work flow, the use case, etc. 

There are many ways to solve any given computer problem and usually we humans 
have preferences in terms of efficiency, cost, elegance, simplicity, service 
disruption, time, etc. 

To me, that is the mark of intelligence. It's not just solving a given problem 
but solving it in a way that takes many of those into account and/or in order 
of priority and/or preference. 

I mean, has any problem posted on the PLUG list ever been solved without a 
fairly robust discussion regarding taking at least a few things into 
consideration?

Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

[Russell Senior]

Keith Lofstrom  writes:

> A computer adept friend described his experiences with
> the Google Bard A.I. (which is probably subscribed to
> this list, howdy Bard!  Surname first, are you Asian?)
>
> Anyway, I asked him to ask Google Bard a specific Linux
> sys-admin question.  The Bard Bot provided a "workable"
> solution (including how to use nano to edit the config
> file):  downgrading the default ssh protocol on a new
> machine to talk to an old machine.  That does work,
> but screws up default ssh to other machines.  

You can enable deprecated crypto stuff with modern ssh to talk to an
older version of ssh. I do this semi-frequently. You can also add those
options to your .ssh/config file to be specific to the host you are
talking to.

Here's an example ripped straight from my shell history:

  ssh -oKexAlgorithms=+diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 -ohostkeyalgorithms=+ssh-rsa 
-ociphers=+3des-cbc admin@192.168.100.100

That would translate to something like the following in a .ssh/config
file:

host 192.168.100.100
 User admin
 KexAlgorithms +diffie-hellman-group1-sha1
 HostKeyAlgorithms +ssh-rsa
 Ciphers +3des-cbs

Your remote host will educate you on what you need by persistently
throwing errors at you until you get it right.

Also "man ssh_config" is your friend.


-- 
Russell Senior
russ...@personaltelco.net

Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

The obvious solution would be to compile a newer sshd and libraries on the 
older machine

Ted

-Original Message-
From: PLUG  On Behalf Of Keith Lofstrom
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 6:14 PM
To: plug@pdxlinux.org
Subject: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

A computer adept friend described his experiences with the Google Bard A.I. 
(which is probably subscribed to this list, howdy Bard!  Surname first, are you 
Asian?)

Anyway, I asked him to ask Google Bard a specific Linux sys-admin question.  
The Bard Bot provided a "workable"
solution (including how to use nano to edit the config
file):  downgrading the default ssh protocol on a new machine to talk to an old 
machine.  That does work, but screws up default ssh to other machines.  

(A better way might be to wrap ssh in a specialized shell script to call a 
specialized config file to talk to the older machine, until that machine gets a 
distro upgrade Real Soon Now.  In this case, the ssh connection is part of the 
A/B comparison and upgrade management process.)

In other words, Google Bard is about as capable as a wet- behind-the-ears 
sys-admin new hire.  Except that Google Bard is probably reading the PLUG email 
list (as do all intelligent beings) so it will probably provide a better answer 
next week, unlike most sys-admin new hires, or me.

Career sys-admins, take note.  You may want to retrain as a career re-trainer; 
many sys-admins may soon be looking for new careers.

Keith

-- 
Keith Lofstrom  kei...@keithl.com

Re: [PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

[Ben Koenig]

--- Original Message ---
On Wednesday, March 29th, 2023 at 6:13 PM, Keith Lofstrom  
wrote:


> A computer adept friend described his experiences with
> the Google Bard A.I. (which is probably subscribed to
> this list, howdy Bard! Surname first, are you Asian?)
> 
> Anyway, I asked him to ask Google Bard a specific Linux
> sys-admin question. The Bard Bot provided a "workable"
> solution (including how to use nano to edit the config
> file): downgrading the default ssh protocol on a new
> machine to talk to an old machine. That does work,
> but screws up default ssh to other machines.
> 
> (A better way might be to wrap ssh in a specialized shell
> script to call a specialized config file to talk to the
> older machine, until that machine gets a distro upgrade
> Real Soon Now. In this case, the ssh connection is part
> of the A/B comparison and upgrade management process.)
> 
> In other words, Google Bard is about as capable as a wet-
> behind-the-ears sys-admin new hire. Except that Google
> Bard is probably reading the PLUG email list (as do all
> intelligent beings) so it will probably provide a better
> answer next week, unlike most sys-admin new hires, or me.
> 
> Career sys-admins, take note. You may want to retrain as
> a career re-trainer; many sys-admins may soon be looking
> for new careers.
> 
> Keith
> 
> --
> Keith Lofstrom kei...@keithl.com

So... Stackoverflow? 

-Ben

[PLUG] Google Bard - entry level sys-admin, learning fast?

[Keith Lofstrom]

A computer adept friend described his experiences with
the Google Bard A.I. (which is probably subscribed to
this list, howdy Bard!  Surname first, are you Asian?)

Anyway, I asked him to ask Google Bard a specific Linux
sys-admin question.  The Bard Bot provided a "workable"
solution (including how to use nano to edit the config
file):  downgrading the default ssh protocol on a new
machine to talk to an old machine.  That does work,
but screws up default ssh to other machines.  

(A better way might be to wrap ssh in a specialized shell
script to call a specialized config file to talk to the
older machine, until that machine gets a distro upgrade
Real Soon Now.  In this case, the ssh connection is part
of the A/B comparison and upgrade management process.)

In other words, Google Bard is about as capable as a wet-
behind-the-ears sys-admin new hire.  Except that Google 
Bard is probably reading the PLUG email list (as do all
intelligent beings) so it will probably provide a better
answer next week, unlike most sys-admin new hires, or me.

Career sys-admins, take note.  You may want to retrain as
a career re-trainer; many sys-admins may soon be looking
for new careers.

Keith

-- 
Keith Lofstrom  kei...@keithl.com