Re: [PLUG] Internship for people with Linux command line familiarity
What is the goal for the target population? Just to get them Internet connectivity? And when they get Internet connectivity what will they be using it for? The reason I'm asking is if the target population has so little computer ability that the result of them getting Internet connectivity is that they will immediately be using it to watch the latest made for TV movie airing on the Hallmark Channel, then why would you assume it would even be possible to train them in any computer use skills let alone Linux command line? I suspect your partners may know this target population a bit better than you do Frankly I think the command line is absolutely fantastic for 3 things: a) automating software b) operating software that the authors never got around to writing a web based control interface for. c) Fixing software that isn't working the way it's supposed to be Otherwise you might consider that there's better human-to-software interfaces than the command line. Ted -Original Message- From: PLUG On Behalf Of Russell Senior Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 3:40 PM To: Portland Linux/Unix Group Subject: [PLUG] Internship for people with Linux command line familiarity I'm involved with a grant funded project in which Personal Telco Project is to indoctrinate a few people in Community Networking serving a target population. We want people who are members of the target population, but in order to meet the project goals we feel like they need to start with a basic familiarity with Linux command line, since basically every part of the network management will require it. Our partners are concerned they won't be able to find anyone with the starting skills we have asked for. As someone for whom the Year of the Linux Desktop has been every year since 1993, I have trouble understanding their concern. We are only looking for a few people in the Portland metro area, and there are certainly a few such people here, it is just a matter of finding them and funneling them towards the entrance gate. We aren't in charge of selecting people, but given our partners concerns it seems appropriate to help them recruit potential candidates, and PLUG seems like a good place to start looking. I have thought about asking local community colleges that teach Linux skills. Any other thoughts? -- Russell Senior, President russ...@personaltelco.net
Re: [PLUG] Internship for people with Linux command line familiarity
On Sat, Sep 23, 2023, at 16:52, Ben Koenig wrote: > Does anyone here know if Free Geek still teaches a commandline class? I don't > see any references to it (or other classes) on their website but this would > have been a great example of the skills taught in that class. > > If you need a creative workaround, you can look for technicians with MacOS > management experience. Any T1/T2 tech who has had to work with JAMF managed > devices has probably spent some time in ZSH. Oddly enough many of those > people know Linux exists but have no idea how similar the commandline > environment is. Most of the people working in that particular field would > love an opportunity to leave the corporate tech support world ... they just > don't realize it yet. ;) > > I just left (read: in the process of leaving) a job doing end user tech > support in a corporate environment with over 77,000 employees. At least 10 of > the people I worked with have never used a linux system but are more than > capable of running commands in an Ubuntu terminal. Some of our KB articles > for managing macOS even involved lists of shell commands. A Linux manpage > would be a welcome change for many of those techs. > > Long story short: try looking for IT support techs with Mac MDM experience > who are interested in more advanced career opportunities. Create an > equivalency between an environment people already know and the scary linux > beast they don't know and you might find more people. > -Ben > > > --- Original Message --- > On Saturday, September 23rd, 2023 at 4:07 PM, Russell Senior > wrote: > > > > Priority populations: "Black, Indigenous, People of Color (BIPOC), > > seniors, LGBTQIA+, immigrants and > > refugees, houseless or housing insecure, foster youth, domestic > > violence survivors, people impacted by > > incarceration, people with disabilities, and those living in poverty" > > > > On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 3:40 PM Russell Senior > > russ...@personaltelco.net wrote: > > > > > I'm involved with a grant funded project in which Personal Telco Project > > > is to indoctrinate a few people in Community Networking serving a target > > > population. We want people who are members of the target population, but > > > in order to meet the project goals we feel like they need to start with a > > > basic familiarity with Linux command line, since basically every part of > > > the network management will require it. Our partners are concerned they > > > won't be able to find anyone with the starting skills we have asked for. > > > As someone for whom the Year of the Linux Desktop has been every year > > > since 1993, I have trouble understanding their concern. We are only > > > looking for a few people in the Portland metro area, and there are > > > certainly a few such people here, it is just a matter of finding them and > > > funneling them towards the entrance gate. We aren't in charge of > > > selecting people, but given our partners concerns it seems appropriate to > > > help them recruit potential candidates, and PLUG seems like a good place > > > to start looking. > > > > > > I have thought about asking local community colleges that teach Linux > > > skills. > > > > > > Any other thoughts? > > > > > > -- > > > Russell Senior, President > > > russ...@personaltelco.net Russell, I don't fit the priority demographic. But this is great to see! Ben, Great points!
Re: [PLUG] Internship for people with Linux command line familiarity
Does anyone here know if Free Geek still teaches a commandline class? I don't see any references to it (or other classes) on their website but this would have been a great example of the skills taught in that class. If you need a creative workaround, you can look for technicians with MacOS management experience. Any T1/T2 tech who has had to work with JAMF managed devices has probably spent some time in ZSH. Oddly enough many of those people know Linux exists but have no idea how similar the commandline environment is. Most of the people working in that particular field would love an opportunity to leave the corporate tech support world ... they just don't realize it yet. ;) I just left (read: in the process of leaving) a job doing end user tech support in a corporate environment with over 77,000 employees. At least 10 of the people I worked with have never used a linux system but are more than capable of running commands in an Ubuntu terminal. Some of our KB articles for managing macOS even involved lists of shell commands. A Linux manpage would be a welcome change for many of those techs. Long story short: try looking for IT support techs with Mac MDM experience who are interested in more advanced career opportunities. Create an equivalency between an environment people already know and the scary linux beast they don't know and you might find more people. -Ben --- Original Message --- On Saturday, September 23rd, 2023 at 4:07 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > Priority populations: "Black, Indigenous, People of Color (BIPOC), > seniors, LGBTQIA+, immigrants and > refugees, houseless or housing insecure, foster youth, domestic > violence survivors, people impacted by > incarceration, people with disabilities, and those living in poverty" > > On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 3:40 PM Russell Senior > russ...@personaltelco.net wrote: > > > I'm involved with a grant funded project in which Personal Telco Project is > > to indoctrinate a few people in Community Networking serving a target > > population. We want people who are members of the target population, but in > > order to meet the project goals we feel like they need to start with a > > basic familiarity with Linux command line, since basically every part of > > the network management will require it. Our partners are concerned they > > won't be able to find anyone with the starting skills we have asked for. As > > someone for whom the Year of the Linux Desktop has been every year since > > 1993, I have trouble understanding their concern. We are only looking for a > > few people in the Portland metro area, and there are certainly a few such > > people here, it is just a matter of finding them and funneling them towards > > the entrance gate. We aren't in charge of selecting people, but given our > > partners concerns it seems appropriate to help them recruit potential > > candidates, and PLUG seems like a good place to start looking. > > > > I have thought about asking local community colleges that teach Linux > > skills. > > > > Any other thoughts? > > > > -- > > Russell Senior, President > > russ...@personaltelco.net
Re: [PLUG] Internship for people with Linux command line familiarity
Hi, I may or may not be a person they're looking for but I'm very interested. I'm not a senior, but I'm pushing 60. I'm still considered a houseless veteran even though I've a HUD-VASH housing voucher. I've a background in computer networks, wireless, telecom and Linux, but my skills & knowledge aren't up to date as I've been out of the tech field for about 5 years now due to health issues that I've been recovering from. I'm also returning to college this fall at PCC in Computer Info Systems. Thank you, Mike Connors Sent with Proton Mail secure email. --- Original Message --- On Saturday, September 23rd, 2023 at 4:07 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > Priority populations: "Black, Indigenous, People of Color (BIPOC), > seniors, LGBTQIA+, immigrants and > refugees, houseless or housing insecure, foster youth, domestic > violence survivors, people impacted by > incarceration, people with disabilities, and those living in poverty" > > On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 3:40 PM Russell Senior > russ...@personaltelco.net wrote: > > > I'm involved with a grant funded project in which Personal Telco Project is > > to indoctrinate a few people in Community Networking serving a target > > population. We want people who are members of the target population, but in > > order to meet the project goals we feel like they need to start with a > > basic familiarity with Linux command line, since basically every part of > > the network management will require it. Our partners are concerned they > > won't be able to find anyone with the starting skills we have asked for. As > > someone for whom the Year of the Linux Desktop has been every year since > > 1993, I have trouble understanding their concern. We are only looking for a > > few people in the Portland metro area, and there are certainly a few such > > people here, it is just a matter of finding them and funneling them towards > > the entrance gate. We aren't in charge of selecting people, but given our > > partners concerns it seems appropriate to help them recruit potential > > candidates, and PLUG seems like a good place to start looking. > > > > I have thought about asking local community colleges that teach Linux > > skills. > > > > Any other thoughts? > > > > -- > > Russell Senior, President > > russ...@personaltelco.net
Re: [PLUG] Internship for people with Linux command line familiarity
Priority populations: "Black, Indigenous, People of Color (BIPOC), seniors, LGBTQIA+, immigrants and refugees, houseless or housing insecure, foster youth, domestic violence survivors, people impacted by incarceration, people with disabilities, and those living in poverty" On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 3:40 PM Russell Senior wrote: > > I'm involved with a grant funded project in which Personal Telco Project is > to indoctrinate a few people in Community Networking serving a target > population. We want people who are members of the target population, but in > order to meet the project goals we feel like they need to start with a basic > familiarity with Linux command line, since basically every part of the > network management will require it. Our partners are concerned they won't be > able to find anyone with the starting skills we have asked for. As someone > for whom the Year of the Linux Desktop has been every year since 1993, I have > trouble understanding their concern. We are only looking for a few people in > the Portland metro area, and there are certainly a few such people here, it > is just a matter of finding them and funneling them towards the entrance > gate. We aren't in charge of selecting people, but given our partners > concerns it seems appropriate to help them recruit potential candidates, and > PLUG seems like a good place to start looking. > > I have thought about asking local community colleges that teach Linux skills. > > Any other thoughts? > > -- > Russell Senior, President > russ...@personaltelco.net
[PLUG] Internship for people with Linux command line familiarity
I'm involved with a grant funded project in which Personal Telco Project is to indoctrinate a few people in Community Networking serving a target population. We want people who are members of the target population, but in order to meet the project goals we feel like they need to start with a basic familiarity with Linux command line, since basically every part of the network management will require it. Our partners are concerned they won't be able to find anyone with the starting skills we have asked for. As someone for whom the Year of the Linux Desktop has been every year since 1993, I have trouble understanding their concern. We are only looking for a few people in the Portland metro area, and there are certainly a few such people here, it is just a matter of finding them and funneling them towards the entrance gate. We aren't in charge of selecting people, but given our partners concerns it seems appropriate to help them recruit potential candidates, and PLUG seems like a good place to start looking. I have thought about asking local community colleges that teach Linux skills. Any other thoughts? -- Russell Senior, President russ...@personaltelco.net
