Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days?
Interesting interview - hard to watch at first - it sounds like another conspiracy theory - but the point/argument seems solid in the end. -T On Mon, 2020-09-21 at 21:58 -0700, wes wrote: > On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 4:12 PM Tyrell Jentink > wrote: > > > [snip] > > Aren't targeted ads a GOOD thing? > > [/snip] > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIXhnWUmMvw > > -wes > ___ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days?
On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 4:12 PM Tyrell Jentink wrote: > [snip] > Aren't targeted ads a GOOD thing? > [/snip] > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIXhnWUmMvw -wes ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days?
On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 12:19:43 -0700 Tom wrote: > > Everything went well until Spamhouse, or whatever their spelling > > blocked me. It turns out that Spamhouse gets mad at you if you use > > and IPv6 address on Linode because Linode gives each of us one Ipv6 > > address and not an IpV6 block. Linode gives you a /64 block for free. Just ask. Linode will give everyone up to a /56. -- / Kiss me, Kate, we will be married o' \ | Sunday.| || | -- William Shakespeare, "The Taming of | \ the Shrew" / \ \ /\ /\ //\\_//\\ \_ _// / / * * \/^^^] \_\O/_/[ ] / \_[ / \ \_ / / [ [ / \/ _/ _[ [ \ /_/ ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days?
On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 10:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Mark Allyn wrote: > Folk: > > I have a server on Linode for my web server, which is www.allyn.com > > I then rented another Linode server to try to do my own email (just > me, al...@allyn.com) no one else as this is for me, not a business or > group. I used Linode DNS to call that machine mail.allyn.com and then > set up the reverse DNS so that it's IP would point back to > mail.allyn.com and not to the Linode issued name. Linode allows me to > do this for both IPv4 and IPv6. I am guessing the Digital Ocean, AWS, > OVH and the others are most likely similar in handling DNS for their > customers. > > Note that for new customers, Linode will block port 25 to reduce risk > of outgoing spam. You need to file a support ticket for your server > to enable the mail ports. > > I then install Postfix and Spamassasin (no listservs, though). And > then I tried to follow all of the suggestion to lock this down. No > POP or IMAP. I would log in using ssh and use the text based email > client on the machine. > > I set up the certification and thoroughly checked the emails coming > from me to another email address that I had and saw that all of the > headers SPF, DKIM, etc were there and looked okay. > > Everything went well until Spamhouse, or whatever their spelling > blocked me. It turns out that Spamhouse gets mad at you if you use > and IPv6 address on Linode because Linode gives each of us one Ipv6 > address and not an IpV6 block. > > Then I found out that Comcast apparently blocks anything from Linode > (I don't have Comcast email, so I had to find that out from someone > on Reddit). I am guessing they got made at Linode because one Linode > customer did not set up thing right and ended up being what's called > an email relay. > > Opinions on Reddit go through the entire range of Linode has a bad > spam reputation to Comcast does not know what it's doing. > > So, I decided that the effort is not enough. I shut down email and > then signed up with Google's gmail. > > So far, since this is just me for my personal email, Google does fill > the bill. > > This has been my experience. > > Thank you > > Mark Allyn > Bellingham, Washington > You setup your mailserver wrong. You need to have a /64 allocated to your mail server. And especially with VPS providers, you need to 'cleanse' a IPv4 address before you start using it. It's just a matter of looking the ip up on mxtoolbox and requesting a delisting from any DBLs. Or looking in your log for reject messages saying which DBL your listed in. -- / Kiss me, Kate, we will be married o' \ | Sunday.| || | -- William Shakespeare, "The Taming of | \ the Shrew" / \ \ /\ /\ //\\_//\\ \_ _// / / * * \/^^^] \_\O/_/[ ] / \_[ / \ \_ / / [ [ / \/ _/ _[ [ \ /_/ ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days?
Folk: I have a server on Linode for my web server, which is www.allyn.com I then rented another Linode server to try to do my own email (just me, al...@allyn.com) no one else as this is for me, not a business or group. I used Linode DNS to call that machine mail.allyn.com and then set up the reverse DNS so that it's IP would point back to mail.allyn.com and not to the Linode issued name. Linode allows me to do this for both IPv4 and IPv6. I am guessing the Digital Ocean, AWS, OVH and the others are most likely similar in handling DNS for their customers. Note that for new customers, Linode will block port 25 to reduce risk of outgoing spam. You need to file a support ticket for your server to enable the mail ports. I then install Postfix and Spamassasin (no listservs, though). And then I tried to follow all of the suggestion to lock this down. No POP or IMAP. I would log in using ssh and use the text based email client on the machine. I set up the certification and thoroughly checked the emails coming from me to another email address that I had and saw that all of the headers SPF, DKIM, etc were there and looked okay. Everything went well until Spamhouse, or whatever their spelling blocked me. It turns out that Spamhouse gets mad at you if you use and IPv6 address on Linode because Linode gives each of us one Ipv6 address and not an IpV6 block. Then I found out that Comcast apparently blocks anything from Linode (I don't have Comcast email, so I had to find that out from someone on Reddit). I am guessing they got made at Linode because one Linode customer did not set up thing right and ended up being what's called an email relay. Opinions on Reddit go through the entire range of Linode has a bad spam reputation to Comcast does not know what it's doing. So, I decided that the effort is not enough. I shut down email and then signed up with Google's gmail. So far, since this is just me for my personal email, Google does fill the bill. This has been my experience. Thank you Mark Allyn Bellingham, Washington - Original Message - From: "Paul Heinlein" To: "Portland Linux/Unix Group" Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 10:26:19 AM Subject: Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days? On Sun, 20 Sep 2020, Eric House wrote: > And so the question: what are those of you who have the expertise to > run an email server doing? Do you handle your own mail, or do you pay > a service to do it for you? I run my own, and have ever since I registered by domain in the late 90s. Pros: - easy to control aliases, forwards, etc - access to raw log files useful for troubleshooting - nice way to experiment with new features, software, etc - easy to backup whole mail store natively rather than via IMAP - server-side filtering via procmail, sieve, etc - easy to set up temp accounts or accts for friends/family - can set access restrictions (ex: require VPN for IMAP) Cons: - spam control is difficult and requires attention - patching, monitoring, maintenance never disappear - need to maintain SSL certs, probably - IP blacklists** **Concerning IP-based blacklists. I run my mail services on a VM at Digital Ocean. When I upgrade servers, which admittedly is not all that often, and get a new IPv4 address, I need to endure this period where my outbound messages are blocked. So I need to go cap in hand to Google, Microsoft, etc. and ask pretty-please would you not block messages from www.xxx.yyy.zzz. Digital Ocean is now offering floating IP address (ala AWS) so my next upgrade will get an address that won't change from then on. Still, it's a hassle. > If the former, what are the leading choices on a Debian server? If > the latter, services to be recommended? I use CentOS, but I suppose the key software packages are all available on Debian: - Sendmail - Dovecot - OpenDMARC - SpamAssassin (and spamass-milter) I stick with sendmail due to familiarity and inertia, but it hasn't been subject to a major vulnerability in a long time. I'd probably use Postfix if I were starting from scratch, if only because it seems like there's better community support for it these days. There's no free lunch here. I pay for my VM in part for reasons other than mail hosting, but it's still a monthly charge. I don't mind paying for it, but it's still a monthly bill. On the other hand, I get to stay somewhat current with FOSS mail tools, even though I no longer maintain mail services at work. -- Paul Heinlein heinl...@madboa.com 45°38' N, 122°6' W ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Mark Allyn Bellingham, Washington www.allyn.com ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days?
On Sun, 20 Sep 2020, Eric House wrote: And so the question: what are those of you who have the expertise to run an email server doing? Do you handle your own mail, or do you pay a service to do it for you? I run my own, and have ever since I registered by domain in the late 90s. Pros: - easy to control aliases, forwards, etc - access to raw log files useful for troubleshooting - nice way to experiment with new features, software, etc - easy to backup whole mail store natively rather than via IMAP - server-side filtering via procmail, sieve, etc - easy to set up temp accounts or accts for friends/family - can set access restrictions (ex: require VPN for IMAP) Cons: - spam control is difficult and requires attention - patching, monitoring, maintenance never disappear - need to maintain SSL certs, probably - IP blacklists** **Concerning IP-based blacklists. I run my mail services on a VM at Digital Ocean. When I upgrade servers, which admittedly is not all that often, and get a new IPv4 address, I need to endure this period where my outbound messages are blocked. So I need to go cap in hand to Google, Microsoft, etc. and ask pretty-please would you not block messages from www.xxx.yyy.zzz. Digital Ocean is now offering floating IP address (ala AWS) so my next upgrade will get an address that won't change from then on. Still, it's a hassle. If the former, what are the leading choices on a Debian server? If the latter, services to be recommended? I use CentOS, but I suppose the key software packages are all available on Debian: - Sendmail - Dovecot - OpenDMARC - SpamAssassin (and spamass-milter) I stick with sendmail due to familiarity and inertia, but it hasn't been subject to a major vulnerability in a long time. I'd probably use Postfix if I were starting from scratch, if only because it seems like there's better community support for it these days. There's no free lunch here. I pay for my VM in part for reasons other than mail hosting, but it's still a monthly charge. I don't mind paying for it, but it's still a monthly bill. On the other hand, I get to stay somewhat current with FOSS mail tools, even though I no longer maintain mail services at work. -- Paul Heinlein heinl...@madboa.com 45°38' N, 122°6' W___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days?
On 9/20/20 3:20 PM, Eric House wrote: > I've used a personal domain for years, and the email address attached > to it is the one I care about most, though of course I have a few > gmail and other addresses. For years I ran my own email server. But > when my ISP crashed and burned (remember SpiritOne and the crook who > destroyed it?) and I didn't have a lot of time for research I started > paying Google $5/month for a g-suite account. (Everything else moved > to Linode, which has been great. I'm pretty sure the recommendation > came from this group. Thanks!) ---nip--- > > I suspect my requirements are pretty limited. When I had the ability > to add unlimited email addresses and to run code on every incoming > email I used both, but I've gotten used to not being able to do that > sort of thing. So I can probably live with a pretty simple service as > long as I can access it on a smartphone and through a web interface. > > Thanks! > > --Eric > Many here do run, and thus will recommend running, there own email server. The critical issue us what ISP you use to connect, their TOS, and whether you can get a fixed IP at a reasonable price. Being on Comcast, along with herding the cats that come along for the ride when trying to use a dynamic DNS service, I decided to no longer host web and email locally. Now I use: nearlyfreespeech.net For domain registration and simple web site hosting Linode For web (CMS etc apps), and misc hosting. freedns.afraid.org To manage domains, subdomains and DNS (Also dynDNS for gopher and mumble not yet moved to Linode) protonmail.com protonvpn.com For encrypted email and VPN servces. There are several plans depending on how many email addresses, storage and/or domains you need. Email can be accessed via web, Android, iOS. These days I trust the Swiss and bit more than I do the good ol' USA. My gmail and comcast emails are now for mailing lists, etc. and for throw away web accounts. -Ed signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days?
On Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 7:32 PM Russell Senior wrote: > Yay! > > But how about a setting to default to plain text? > > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 5:29 PM Bill Barry wrote: > > > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 7:08 PM Russell Senior > > wrote: > > > Btw, can you even send non-html mail from gmail anymore? I tried the > other > > > day for 5 minutes and couldn't find the knob to do it, and just fell > back > > > to sending from my own server. > > > > > In the menu in the bottom right of the compose window, is Plain Text > Mode. > > > It remembers the choice for the next email, not quite what you want, but ok. ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
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Yay! But how about a setting to default to plain text? On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 5:29 PM Bill Barry wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 7:08 PM Russell Senior > wrote: > > Btw, can you even send non-html mail from gmail anymore? I tried the other > > day for 5 minutes and couldn't find the knob to do it, and just fell back > > to sending from my own server. > > > In the menu in the bottom right of the compose window, is Plain Text Mode. > > Bill > ___ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days?
On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 7:08 PM Russell Senior wrote: > Btw, can you even send non-html mail from gmail anymore? I tried the other > day for 5 minutes and couldn't find the knob to do it, and just fell back > to sending from my own server. > In the menu in the bottom right of the compose window, is Plain Text Mode. Bill ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days?
I haven't bothered with roundcube, but I'm a postfix + dovecot user nowadays too. Most of my mail goes through gmail, but even gmail is forwarding a copy to my own mail server. Btw, can you even send non-html mail from gmail anymore? I tried the other day for 5 minutes and couldn't find the knob to do it, and just fell back to sending from my own server. -- Russell Senior russ...@personaltelco.net On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 4:15 PM Michael Rasmussen wrote: > You asked: > What are those of you who have the expertise to run an email server > doing? > Running it on my own. Postfix, Dovecot, Roundcube being the core bits. > > Do you handle your own mail, or do you pay a service to do it for > you? > I do handle my own. Though I am considering using my domain registrar, > Gandi, as the host. It would be included with the annual fee for > registration, they have Roundcube. So, yeah. This impulse is motivated > by my recent hospital stays. Make sure my wife understands to keep > sending them money annually, and she will have the service. > > If the former, what are the leading choices on a Debian server? > Debian? Arch! OK, I'm sorry, but don't have the background to answer. > > If the latter, services to be recommended? > Check with your domain host for their provisioning of email services. > Gandi provides quite a bit. Perhaps yours does also. > > --- >Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon > Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity > > On 2020-09-20 15:20, Eric House wrote: > > I've used a personal domain for years, and the email address attached > > to it is the one I care about most, though of course I have a few > > gmail and other addresses. For years I ran my own email server. But > > when my ISP crashed and burned (remember SpiritOne and the crook who > > destroyed it?) and I didn't have a lot of time for research I started > > paying Google $5/month for a g-suite account. (Everything else moved > > to Linode, which has been great. I'm pretty sure the recommendation > > came from this group. Thanks!) > > > > I'd rather not be giving Google my money, but I worry more about the > > data they're certainly scraping from my mail. Yet when I look > > occasionally into the Spam folder I can see that I'm getting something > > in addition to storage for my (now) $6/month. > > > > And so the question: what are those of you who have the expertise to > > run an email server doing? Do you handle your own mail, or do you pay > > a service to do it for you? If the former, what are the leading > > choices on a Debian server? If the latter, services to be recommended? > > > > I suspect my requirements are pretty limited. When I had the ability > > to add unlimited email addresses and to run code on every incoming > > email I used both, but I've gotten used to not being able to do that > > sort of thing. So I can probably live with a pretty simple service as > > long as I can access it on a smartphone and through a web interface. > > > > Thanks! > > > > --Eric > ___ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days?
On Sun, 20 Sep 2020, Michael Rasmussen wrote: What are those of you who have the expertise to run an email server doing? Running it on my own. Postfix, Dovecot, Roundcube being the core bits. Michael, Postfix and Cyrus are installed here. This impulse is motivated by my recent hospital stays. Make sure my wife understands to keep sending them money annually, and she will have the service. Well, darn! I hope you quickly and fully recover. If the former, what are the leading choices on a Debian server? Debian? Arch! OK, I'm sorry, but don't have the background to answer. Does the server matter? Rich ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days?
On Sun, 20 Sep 2020, Bill Barry wrote: Does running your own email server completely stop Google from scraping your email? Your email is received by people that might be using Gmail. The $6 per month is annoying though. Bill, If the recipient uses gmail (seems like ~99 and 44/100th percent do) then Google probably captures my incoming mail, too. But, that's out of my control so I don't worry about it. Stay well, Rich ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days?
On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:20:42 -0700 Eric House wrote: > I've used a personal domain for years, and the email address attached > to it is the one I care about most, though of course I have a few > gmail and other addresses. For years I ran my own email server. But > when my ISP crashed and burned (remember SpiritOne and the crook who > destroyed it?) and I didn't have a lot of time for research I started > paying Google $5/month for a g-suite account. (Everything else moved > to Linode, which has been great. I'm pretty sure the recommendation > came from this group. Thanks!) > > I'd rather not be giving Google my money, but I worry more about the > data they're certainly scraping from my mail. Yet when I look > occasionally into the Spam folder I can see that I'm getting something > in addition to storage for my (now) $6/month. > > And so the question: what are those of you who have the expertise to > run an email server doing? Do you handle your own mail, or do you pay > a service to do it for you? If the former, what are the leading > choices on a Debian server? If the latter, services to be recommended? > > I suspect my requirements are pretty limited. When I had the ability > to add unlimited email addresses and to run code on every incoming > email I used both, but I've gotten used to not being able to do that > sort of thing. So I can probably live with a pretty simple service as > long as I can access it on a smartphone and through a web interface. > > Thanks! > > --Eric Thank you Eric for taking the time to think about this. Not only is this a problem for you, but It's a problem for others when they wish to speak to you, and not in addition wanting to share something with Google and all the people they sell your data to. Hosting your own email is incredibly easy, and with a proper setup you will find just how shitty gmail's service actually is in regards to spam filtering and latency. My recommended stack for hosting your own mailserver today is OpenSMTPd, rspamd, and Dovecot. OpenSMTPd for the actual mail transfer, rspamd for spam filtering on the receiving end as well as DKIM signing, and dovecot for the IMAP access. There is a great article here on setting that up, https://poolp.org/posts/2019-09-14/setting-up-a-mail-server-with-opensmtpd-dovecot-and-rspamd/ and I would be glad to help anybody else who still is having trouble after reading that article. One of the things you may be interested in transitioning over slowly, as in sending your mail through your own mailserver until you feel comfortable, then later setting up receiving too and switching our mx records around to your own server. receiving and transmitting can be done on different services. regarding your requirement for multiple addresses, it's just a matter up updating /etc/aliases and reloading the alias table. That way you can write some scripts to use a unique email address for every service you may sign up with, so when you start receiving spam you know WHICH corporation sold your data. If your setting up your own mailserver, it's always a great time to setup PGP signing as well. Mutt and Claws-mail have great support for S/MIME and almost all BSD and GNU+Linux distros come with with the GNU implementation, GnuPG in their base system. -- / Kiss me, Kate, we will be married o' \ | Sunday.| || | -- William Shakespeare, "The Taming of | \ the Shrew" / \ \ /\ /\ //\\_//\\ \_ _// / / * * \/^^^] \_\O/_/[ ] / \_[ / \ \_ / / [ [ / \/ _/ _[ [ \ /_/ ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days?
You asked: What are those of you who have the expertise to run an email server doing? Running it on my own. Postfix, Dovecot, Roundcube being the core bits. Do you handle your own mail, or do you pay a service to do it for you? I do handle my own. Though I am considering using my domain registrar, Gandi, as the host. It would be included with the annual fee for registration, they have Roundcube. So, yeah. This impulse is motivated by my recent hospital stays. Make sure my wife understands to keep sending them money annually, and she will have the service. If the former, what are the leading choices on a Debian server? Debian? Arch! OK, I'm sorry, but don't have the background to answer. If the latter, services to be recommended? Check with your domain host for their provisioning of email services. Gandi provides quite a bit. Perhaps yours does also. --- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity On 2020-09-20 15:20, Eric House wrote: I've used a personal domain for years, and the email address attached to it is the one I care about most, though of course I have a few gmail and other addresses. For years I ran my own email server. But when my ISP crashed and burned (remember SpiritOne and the crook who destroyed it?) and I didn't have a lot of time for research I started paying Google $5/month for a g-suite account. (Everything else moved to Linode, which has been great. I'm pretty sure the recommendation came from this group. Thanks!) I'd rather not be giving Google my money, but I worry more about the data they're certainly scraping from my mail. Yet when I look occasionally into the Spam folder I can see that I'm getting something in addition to storage for my (now) $6/month. And so the question: what are those of you who have the expertise to run an email server doing? Do you handle your own mail, or do you pay a service to do it for you? If the former, what are the leading choices on a Debian server? If the latter, services to be recommended? I suspect my requirements are pretty limited. When I had the ability to add unlimited email addresses and to run code on every incoming email I used both, but I've gotten used to not being able to do that sort of thing. So I can probably live with a pretty simple service as long as I can access it on a smartphone and through a web interface. Thanks! --Eric ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days?
I have been a GMail user since the beginning... I sometimes brag that I have a "Second-Tier-Invite GMail account," cuz I got my invite from someone who got their invite directly from a Google employee... One could call me a fanboy. Of course, in those days, we knew damn well that webmail was expensive, and that we were paying for it with our data, and I'm not sure how any of that comes as a surprise to anyone now... Or how it's a bad thing; Aren't targeted ads a GOOD thing? I am also grandfathered into a free Google Suite account... Of course, it doesn't have ALL the features of even the cheapest paid accounts... And I might be tempted to start paying the $6 a month eventually to get some of the domain management features I'm missing. At that juncture, I will become annoyed that I'm paying with my data AND $6... But my very biggest annoyance with gmail, and it's so annoying to me that it makes all of the aforementioned completely irrelevant to me until it's fixed, is the fact that we can't merge our accounts together; Sure, you can add aliases to Google Suite accounts all day... No limits. But can you permanently merge two gmail accounts into the same account? Or permanently alias a Gmail account into a GSuite account? Or... OK, I'll give you that those were slightly niche-y ideas, so how about merely changing your Gmail address name from a maiden name to a married name? Approximately half the population will change their names in their lifetime, and using the first.l...@gmail.com format leads to... Messes. Is all of that enough to justify me running my own email server? So far, no... And I'm not sure how that would even help - My whole household is Google users, none of us are abandoning our Gmails. On the other hand, both my wife and I are running around with pre- and post-married-life GMail accounts, neither of which can ever TRULY be abandoned for OAuth reasons, and that can't be Good for Google... Look at me: Worried about what's "Good" and "Bad" for Google... :P On Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 15:54 Bill Barry wrote: > On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 5:31 PM Rich Shepard > wrote: > > > > On Sun, 20 Sep 2020, Eric House wrote: > > > > > And so the question: what are those of you who have the expertise to > run > > > an email server doing? Do you handle your own mail, or do you pay a > > > service to do it for you? If the former, what are the leading choices > on a > > > Debian server? If the latter, services to be recommended? > > > > Eric, > > > > I don't know how you connect to the 'Net; that might affect your > decision. > > I, too, started with Aracnet and stayed with SpiritOne until it was > > unceremoniously destroyed. Now I have ZiplyFiber (a rather ugly name in > my > > opinion and the third iteration of Verizon -> Frontier Comm -> > ZiplyFiber). > > > > Anywho, I've been running postfix here since 1997 with all these guys. It > > supports both my business and personal domain email accounts (my business > > web site is hosted at nearlyfreespeech.net, but they don't support > e-mail). > > I've had no issues with it and I keep it upgraded as Wietse releases bug > > fixes and the occasional new feature. > > > > I'm a happy camper running my own MTA because I control the filters that > > reject most of the crap. > > > > HTH, > > > > Rich > > > > > Does running your own email server completely stop Google from > scraping your email? Your email is received by people that might be > using Gmail. The $6 per month is annoying though. > > Bill > ___ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days?
On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 5:31 PM Rich Shepard wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Sep 2020, Eric House wrote: > > > And so the question: what are those of you who have the expertise to run > > an email server doing? Do you handle your own mail, or do you pay a > > service to do it for you? If the former, what are the leading choices on a > > Debian server? If the latter, services to be recommended? > > Eric, > > I don't know how you connect to the 'Net; that might affect your decision. > I, too, started with Aracnet and stayed with SpiritOne until it was > unceremoniously destroyed. Now I have ZiplyFiber (a rather ugly name in my > opinion and the third iteration of Verizon -> Frontier Comm -> ZiplyFiber). > > Anywho, I've been running postfix here since 1997 with all these guys. It > supports both my business and personal domain email accounts (my business > web site is hosted at nearlyfreespeech.net, but they don't support e-mail). > I've had no issues with it and I keep it upgraded as Wietse releases bug > fixes and the occasional new feature. > > I'm a happy camper running my own MTA because I control the filters that > reject most of the crap. > > HTH, > > Rich > > Does running your own email server completely stop Google from scraping your email? Your email is received by people that might be using Gmail. The $6 per month is annoying though. Bill ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Whether to host one's own email these days?
On Sun, 20 Sep 2020, Eric House wrote: And so the question: what are those of you who have the expertise to run an email server doing? Do you handle your own mail, or do you pay a service to do it for you? If the former, what are the leading choices on a Debian server? If the latter, services to be recommended? Eric, I don't know how you connect to the 'Net; that might affect your decision. I, too, started with Aracnet and stayed with SpiritOne until it was unceremoniously destroyed. Now I have ZiplyFiber (a rather ugly name in my opinion and the third iteration of Verizon -> Frontier Comm -> ZiplyFiber). Anywho, I've been running postfix here since 1997 with all these guys. It supports both my business and personal domain email accounts (my business web site is hosted at nearlyfreespeech.net, but they don't support e-mail). I've had no issues with it and I keep it upgraded as Wietse releases bug fixes and the occasional new feature. I'm a happy camper running my own MTA because I control the filters that reject most of the crap. HTH, Rich ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
