Re: Ubuntu 18.04 on (Really) Old HP Proliant

[Stephen Partington]

On a whim I rolled back to my kernel from when It was last running 16.04
successfully (for some reason I thought this would not work) and the server
is up and running. Now to find out what was not included to load my disk
subsystem.

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 3:48 PM Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> weird. I currently have no issues with networking. and technically it is
> not an emulation layer. It is supposed to be an api set or something that
> runs a Linux kernel under windows natively.
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 2:42 PM Michael Butash  wrote:
>
>> Last time I tried WSL was with getting this laptop a few years ago.  As a
>> network guy, I sort of just sat there stunned that the frigging thing
>> couldn't network.  Why the hell would you make a linux emulation layer that
>> couldn't network?  Is this still Ballmer-hate?
>>
>> What the hell is good in this day and age without networking?  I don't
>> see how they even shipped it as a thing without network support.
>>
>> This and other major things like I said visual lag in the gui, with
>> up-to-date os, drivers, etc shipped from dell, was utter shite, and just
>> angered me.  It was graphically unusable to me.  I gave windoze a solid 2
>> weeks as a trial, just to see, and it was garbage to try and be
>> productive.  It really didn't like when I was layer on VM's in vbox, which
>> usually I have 5-8 vm's at a time running in my main system, and it fell
>> apart.
>>
>> People ask why I bother with linux.  Because windoze can't do the things
>> I do in linux, like run 10 vm's of different os's and still game on steam.
>> I've ran linux on a desktop as my main rig since 2006, as well as dealing
>> with entirely windoze enterprise worlds, so I like to think I have some
>> knowledge of this.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:44 AM Stephen Partington 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> well microsoft has made good improvements with WSL and you can do some
>>> neat things like that
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:27 AM Michael Butash 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Upgrading to 18.04 broke like everything for me (kde, wm, graphics
 drivers), it's what single-handedly drove me to arch, so ymmv.

 My experience with arch hasn't been much better of late, so take it for
 what you will.  Arch updates blew up my desktop, and my laptop I'm afraid
 to reboot as my last working device.  If I didn't hate windoze so much, I
 might actually try it again, but it's performance on my xps15 was absolute
 shite with the 4k display.  Like mouse lag randomly just to screw with me
 and slow down everything working.

 -mb


 On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:13 PM Stephen Partington 
 wrote:

> It is most definitely 64 bit. I had 64 bit 16.04 running like a champ
> until the 18.04 upgrade was done.
>
> It also ran vmware 6.7 well also.
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 9:02 PM Thomas Scott 
> wrote:
>
>> I know I had a legacy install on a Proliant I supported that was
>> installed upside down and burnt out it's drives after a few years
>> (surprised it lasted that long). When I came on-site to reinstall it, I
>> tried to install 16.04 since I already had the install media on me, I
>> couldn't as it had issues with the RAID array controller. I had to roll
>> back to 14.04 and then upgrade it to maintain compatibility. I had a
>> similar issue with CentOS6/7 a bout a year ago as well, also on HP 
>> servers.
>> In my experience, both times it was the RAID controller.
>>
>> 
>> Thomas Scott
>> about.me/thomas.scott
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:47 PM Todd Cole  wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect it may be 32Bit computer but it should give you a i386
>>> hardware error during installation.
>>> while 18.04 is only 64 bit you can use the net install at
>>> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/bionic/
>>> it has a community supported 32 bit version available
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Stephen Partington <
>>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have an older Proliant server I am trying to make use of at home.
 The hardware is fully functional, and aside from needing some spare 
 drive
 sleds, It is ready to go.

 However, I cannot run 18.04 on the server and I suspect it is
 related to changes in the kernel and I am trying to map those.

 The Architecture is Dual Opteron quad-core Processors and DDR2 ECC
 Registered memory. I think it is a DL 365 Gen 1 (would have to look to 
 make
 sure)

 Does anyone have thoughts on how I could gracefully get 

Re: Ubuntu 18.04 on (Really) Old HP Proliant

[Stephen Partington]

weird. I currently have no issues with networking. and technically it is
not an emulation layer. It is supposed to be an api set or something that
runs a Linux kernel under windows natively.

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 2:42 PM Michael Butash  wrote:

> Last time I tried WSL was with getting this laptop a few years ago.  As a
> network guy, I sort of just sat there stunned that the frigging thing
> couldn't network.  Why the hell would you make a linux emulation layer that
> couldn't network?  Is this still Ballmer-hate?
>
> What the hell is good in this day and age without networking?  I don't see
> how they even shipped it as a thing without network support.
>
> This and other major things like I said visual lag in the gui, with
> up-to-date os, drivers, etc shipped from dell, was utter shite, and just
> angered me.  It was graphically unusable to me.  I gave windoze a solid 2
> weeks as a trial, just to see, and it was garbage to try and be
> productive.  It really didn't like when I was layer on VM's in vbox, which
> usually I have 5-8 vm's at a time running in my main system, and it fell
> apart.
>
> People ask why I bother with linux.  Because windoze can't do the things I
> do in linux, like run 10 vm's of different os's and still game on steam.
> I've ran linux on a desktop as my main rig since 2006, as well as dealing
> with entirely windoze enterprise worlds, so I like to think I have some
> knowledge of this.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:44 AM Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
>> well microsoft has made good improvements with WSL and you can do some
>> neat things like that
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:27 AM Michael Butash 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Upgrading to 18.04 broke like everything for me (kde, wm, graphics
>>> drivers), it's what single-handedly drove me to arch, so ymmv.
>>>
>>> My experience with arch hasn't been much better of late, so take it for
>>> what you will.  Arch updates blew up my desktop, and my laptop I'm afraid
>>> to reboot as my last working device.  If I didn't hate windoze so much, I
>>> might actually try it again, but it's performance on my xps15 was absolute
>>> shite with the 4k display.  Like mouse lag randomly just to screw with me
>>> and slow down everything working.
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:13 PM Stephen Partington 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It is most definitely 64 bit. I had 64 bit 16.04 running like a champ
 until the 18.04 upgrade was done.

 It also ran vmware 6.7 well also.

 On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 9:02 PM Thomas Scott 
 wrote:

> I know I had a legacy install on a Proliant I supported that was
> installed upside down and burnt out it's drives after a few years
> (surprised it lasted that long). When I came on-site to reinstall it, I
> tried to install 16.04 since I already had the install media on me, I
> couldn't as it had issues with the RAID array controller. I had to roll
> back to 14.04 and then upgrade it to maintain compatibility. I had a
> similar issue with CentOS6/7 a bout a year ago as well, also on HP 
> servers.
> In my experience, both times it was the RAID controller.
>
> 
> Thomas Scott
> about.me/thomas.scott
> 
> 
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:47 PM Todd Cole  wrote:
>
>> I suspect it may be 32Bit computer but it should give you a i386
>> hardware error during installation.
>> while 18.04 is only 64 bit you can use the net install at
>> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/bionic/
>> it has a community supported 32 bit version available
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Stephen Partington <
>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have an older Proliant server I am trying to make use of at home.
>>> The hardware is fully functional, and aside from needing some spare 
>>> drive
>>> sleds, It is ready to go.
>>>
>>> However, I cannot run 18.04 on the server and I suspect it is
>>> related to changes in the kernel and I am trying to map those.
>>>
>>> The Architecture is Dual Opteron quad-core Processors and DDR2 ECC
>>> Registered memory. I think it is a DL 365 Gen 1 (would have to look to 
>>> make
>>> sure)
>>>
>>> Does anyone have thoughts on how I could gracefully get this
>>> hardware to a current kernel?
>>>
>>> --
>>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you
>>> from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze 
>>> button.
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> ---
>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>> To 

Re: Ubuntu 18.04 on (Really) Old HP Proliant

[Michael Butash]

Last time I tried WSL was with getting this laptop a few years ago.  As a
network guy, I sort of just sat there stunned that the frigging thing
couldn't network.  Why the hell would you make a linux emulation layer that
couldn't network?  Is this still Ballmer-hate?

What the hell is good in this day and age without networking?  I don't see
how they even shipped it as a thing without network support.

This and other major things like I said visual lag in the gui, with
up-to-date os, drivers, etc shipped from dell, was utter shite, and just
angered me.  It was graphically unusable to me.  I gave windoze a solid 2
weeks as a trial, just to see, and it was garbage to try and be
productive.  It really didn't like when I was layer on VM's in vbox, which
usually I have 5-8 vm's at a time running in my main system, and it fell
apart.

People ask why I bother with linux.  Because windoze can't do the things I
do in linux, like run 10 vm's of different os's and still game on steam.
I've ran linux on a desktop as my main rig since 2006, as well as dealing
with entirely windoze enterprise worlds, so I like to think I have some
knowledge of this.

-mb


On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:44 AM Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> well microsoft has made good improvements with WSL and you can do some
> neat things like that
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:27 AM Michael Butash  wrote:
>
>> Upgrading to 18.04 broke like everything for me (kde, wm, graphics
>> drivers), it's what single-handedly drove me to arch, so ymmv.
>>
>> My experience with arch hasn't been much better of late, so take it for
>> what you will.  Arch updates blew up my desktop, and my laptop I'm afraid
>> to reboot as my last working device.  If I didn't hate windoze so much, I
>> might actually try it again, but it's performance on my xps15 was absolute
>> shite with the 4k display.  Like mouse lag randomly just to screw with me
>> and slow down everything working.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:13 PM Stephen Partington 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It is most definitely 64 bit. I had 64 bit 16.04 running like a champ
>>> until the 18.04 upgrade was done.
>>>
>>> It also ran vmware 6.7 well also.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 9:02 PM Thomas Scott 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I know I had a legacy install on a Proliant I supported that was
 installed upside down and burnt out it's drives after a few years
 (surprised it lasted that long). When I came on-site to reinstall it, I
 tried to install 16.04 since I already had the install media on me, I
 couldn't as it had issues with the RAID array controller. I had to roll
 back to 14.04 and then upgrade it to maintain compatibility. I had a
 similar issue with CentOS6/7 a bout a year ago as well, also on HP servers.
 In my experience, both times it was the RAID controller.

 
 Thomas Scott
 about.me/thomas.scott
 
 


 On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:47 PM Todd Cole  wrote:

> I suspect it may be 32Bit computer but it should give you a i386
> hardware error during installation.
> while 18.04 is only 64 bit you can use the net install at
> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/bionic/
> it has a community supported 32 bit version available
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Stephen Partington <
> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have an older Proliant server I am trying to make use of at home.
>> The hardware is fully functional, and aside from needing some spare drive
>> sleds, It is ready to go.
>>
>> However, I cannot run 18.04 on the server and I suspect it is related
>> to changes in the kernel and I am trying to map those.
>>
>> The Architecture is Dual Opteron quad-core Processors and DDR2 ECC
>> Registered memory. I think it is a DL 365 Gen 1 (would have to look to 
>> make
>> sure)
>>
>> Does anyone have thoughts on how I could gracefully get this
>> hardware to a current kernel?
>>
>> --
>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you
>> from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze 
>> button.
>>
>> Stephen
>>
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Re: Ubuntu 18.04 on (Really) Old HP Proliant

[Stephen Partington]

well microsoft has made good improvements with WSL and you can do some neat
things like that


On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:27 AM Michael Butash  wrote:

> Upgrading to 18.04 broke like everything for me (kde, wm, graphics
> drivers), it's what single-handedly drove me to arch, so ymmv.
>
> My experience with arch hasn't been much better of late, so take it for
> what you will.  Arch updates blew up my desktop, and my laptop I'm afraid
> to reboot as my last working device.  If I didn't hate windoze so much, I
> might actually try it again, but it's performance on my xps15 was absolute
> shite with the 4k display.  Like mouse lag randomly just to screw with me
> and slow down everything working.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:13 PM Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
>> It is most definitely 64 bit. I had 64 bit 16.04 running like a champ
>> until the 18.04 upgrade was done.
>>
>> It also ran vmware 6.7 well also.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 9:02 PM Thomas Scott 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know I had a legacy install on a Proliant I supported that was
>>> installed upside down and burnt out it's drives after a few years
>>> (surprised it lasted that long). When I came on-site to reinstall it, I
>>> tried to install 16.04 since I already had the install media on me, I
>>> couldn't as it had issues with the RAID array controller. I had to roll
>>> back to 14.04 and then upgrade it to maintain compatibility. I had a
>>> similar issue with CentOS6/7 a bout a year ago as well, also on HP servers.
>>> In my experience, both times it was the RAID controller.
>>>
>>> 
>>> Thomas Scott
>>> about.me/thomas.scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:47 PM Todd Cole  wrote:
>>>
 I suspect it may be 32Bit computer but it should give you a i386
 hardware error during installation.
 while 18.04 is only 64 bit you can use the net install at
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/bionic/
 it has a community supported 32 bit version available

 On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Stephen Partington <
 cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have an older Proliant server I am trying to make use of at home.
> The hardware is fully functional, and aside from needing some spare drive
> sleds, It is ready to go.
>
> However, I cannot run 18.04 on the server and I suspect it is related
> to changes in the kernel and I am trying to map those.
>
> The Architecture is Dual Opteron quad-core Processors and DDR2 ECC
> Registered memory. I think it is a DL 365 Gen 1 (would have to look to 
> make
> sure)
>
> Does anyone have thoughts on how I could gracefully get this
> hardware to a current kernel?
>
> --
> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from
> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
>
> Stephen
>
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Re: Ubuntu 18.04 on (Really) Old HP Proliant

[Michael Butash]

Upgrading to 18.04 broke like everything for me (kde, wm, graphics
drivers), it's what single-handedly drove me to arch, so ymmv.

My experience with arch hasn't been much better of late, so take it for
what you will.  Arch updates blew up my desktop, and my laptop I'm afraid
to reboot as my last working device.  If I didn't hate windoze so much, I
might actually try it again, but it's performance on my xps15 was absolute
shite with the 4k display.  Like mouse lag randomly just to screw with me
and slow down everything working.

-mb


On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:13 PM Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> It is most definitely 64 bit. I had 64 bit 16.04 running like a champ
> until the 18.04 upgrade was done.
>
> It also ran vmware 6.7 well also.
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 9:02 PM Thomas Scott 
> wrote:
>
>> I know I had a legacy install on a Proliant I supported that was
>> installed upside down and burnt out it's drives after a few years
>> (surprised it lasted that long). When I came on-site to reinstall it, I
>> tried to install 16.04 since I already had the install media on me, I
>> couldn't as it had issues with the RAID array controller. I had to roll
>> back to 14.04 and then upgrade it to maintain compatibility. I had a
>> similar issue with CentOS6/7 a bout a year ago as well, also on HP servers.
>> In my experience, both times it was the RAID controller.
>>
>> 
>> Thomas Scott
>> about.me/thomas.scott
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:47 PM Todd Cole  wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect it may be 32Bit computer but it should give you a i386
>>> hardware error during installation.
>>> while 18.04 is only 64 bit you can use the net install at
>>> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/bionic/
>>> it has a community supported 32 bit version available
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:24 PM Stephen Partington 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have an older Proliant server I am trying to make use of at home. The
 hardware is fully functional, and aside from needing some spare drive
 sleds, It is ready to go.

 However, I cannot run 18.04 on the server and I suspect it is related
 to changes in the kernel and I am trying to map those.

 The Architecture is Dual Opteron quad-core Processors and DDR2 ECC
 Registered memory. I think it is a DL 365 Gen 1 (would have to look to make
 sure)

 Does anyone have thoughts on how I could gracefully get this
 hardware to a current kernel?

 --
 A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from
 rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.

 Stephen

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