Archived DMCA videos from San Francisco 2001 published - public domain

[Kaoru Wilbur via PLUG-discuss]

Hi.

Just an announcement to anyone interested in the "historical"
documentation/video/images of the Dmitry Rally and Protest during
Linuxworld 2001 with Lessig, Don Marti, RMS, Seth Shoen, Bella and of
course, yours truly.

http://techrights.org/2020/11/11/

https://dmcasucks.com/
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Re: unusual file copy problem

[David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss]

I found a viable solution with an FTP app for Macs called Forklift 3.

It lets you set up tabs for any number of sites and either drag-n-drop or 
copy/paste from one to another. It does the download and then the upload, and 
uses FXP if it’s enabled. 

According to my ISP, FXP requires a port to be opened that continually 
listening for requests, and it’s presents a security risk from people who use 
port scanners to look for open ports to abuse.

It made me think how many features there are on servers today that are locked 
away unusable because nobody has bothered to put doors on them that let you 
open them temporarily and shut them automatically after some amount of time.

With so many places switching to 2FA, I think it’s time to start looking more 
closely at "timed resource access on request”. I’m getting fed up with all of 
the 2FA crap that only exists because of this historical belief that 100% of 
our resources need to be available 100% of the time. So we use 2FA and other 
things to keep the riff-raff out during the 99% of the time we’re not using 
these resources.

If we started putting doors on stuff that were only open long enough for us to 
do what we need, these hackers and scriptk kiddies would eventually go away. 
Especially if we can set them up on proxies on servers in front of our real 
servers so as to minimize the abuse these people impart on the servers they’re 
trying to get into.

-David  Schwartz



> On Nov 23, 2020, at 11:56 AM, Snyder, Alexander J  
> wrote:
> 
> I recall a site to site copy functionality within WHM. Although I haven't 
> used WHM since I worked with SmoFaddy almost 6 years ago.
> 
> Short of that, it seems crazy to think that they would restrict SSH.
> 
> Let me know if you need more help, and I can try to research it more.
> 
> -Alex
> 
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 11:27 David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss 
> mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> 
> wrote:
> Thanks, I’ll look into FXP.
> 
> I’m not using GD for hosting and this is not a one-time thing. I’m finding 
> I’m having to zip up and copy files from one site to another on a more 
> frequent basis, so I wanted to be able to do it more directly.
> 
> I guess an FTP client that lets me simulate that would be almost as good — 
> with two windows that look at two different FTP sites, and I can simply 
> drag-n-drop or click to send a file from one to the other, and it handles the 
> DL and UL invisibly.
> 
> All FTP clients I know of are only between another system and my local 
> machine.
> 
> -David Schwartz
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Thomas Scott > > wrote:
>> 
>> I seem to remember running this via FTP to FTP connection, I think it was 
>> called FXP? That's the direction I'd start looking at - Wikipedia has a list 
>> of FTP clients that support FXP: Comparison of FTP client software - 
>> Wikipedia 
>> 
>> 
>> If you're using "that" hosting provider, (rhymes with SmoFaddy) I know at 
>> one point you could call into their AHS (Advanced Hosting Support) group and 
>> kindly ask them do the aforementioned transfer, but that was a 7 years and 
>> several re-orgs ago. 
>> 
>> - Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:42 AM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss 
>> mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> 
>> wrote:
>> Thanks for the suggestions.
>> 
>> 1. I don’t know.
>> 
>> 2. I don’t have root access, and am unable to run SSH/SCP.
>> 
>> 3. This is a shared server. no console access is allowed. No SSH, no rsync, 
>> no nuth’n. 
>> 
>> That said, it’s a full WEB HOST. So I can upload a small php script that 
>> could reach out to the other account and copy the file over, maybe via an 
>> FTP xfer or HTTP copy. 
>> 
>> It seems like a bunch of hoops to jump thru simply because they won’t set up 
>> a shared folder that all of the domains in my account can access, but … what 
>> can I say. It’s a shared server.
>> 
>> That does give me an idea, tho….
>> 
>> -David Schwartz
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Nov 22, 2020, at 11:46 PM, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss 
>> > mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> 
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > A few questions here:
>> > 1. Are they “running instances” of an OS?
>> > 2. If so, can you use SSH/SCP between them
>> > 3. Any other networked application (console type) like RSync or similar 
>> > that can be used?
>> > 
>> > Otherwise, unless you have root access to the original image, I am not 
>> > sure what else you can do.
>> > 
>> > 

Re: unusual file copy problem

[Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss]

I recall a site to site copy functionality within WHM. Although I haven't
used WHM since I worked with SmoFaddy almost 6 years ago.

Short of that, it seems crazy to think that they would restrict SSH.

Let me know if you need more help, and I can try to research it more.

-Alex

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 11:27 David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Thanks, I’ll look into FXP.
>
> I’m not using GD for hosting and this is not a one-time thing. I’m finding
> I’m having to zip up and copy files from one site to another on a more
> frequent basis, so I wanted to be able to do it more directly.
>
> I guess an FTP client that lets me simulate that would be almost as good —
> with two windows that look at two different FTP sites, and I can simply
> drag-n-drop or click to send a file from one to the other, and it handles
> the DL and UL invisibly.
>
> All FTP clients I know of are only between another system and my local
> machine.
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Thomas Scott 
> wrote:
>
> I seem to remember running this via FTP to FTP connection, I think it was
> called FXP? That's the direction I'd start looking at - Wikipedia has a
> list of FTP clients that support FXP: Comparison of FTP client software -
> Wikipedia
> 
>
> If you're using "that" hosting provider, (rhymes with SmoFaddy) I know at
> one point you could call into their AHS (Advanced Hosting Support) group
> and kindly ask them do the aforementioned transfer, but that was a 7 years
> and several re-orgs ago.
>
> - Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:42 AM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the suggestions.
>>
>> 1. I don’t know.
>>
>> 2. I don’t have root access, and am unable to run SSH/SCP.
>>
>> 3. This is a shared server. no console access is allowed. No SSH, no
>> rsync, no nuth’n.
>>
>> That said, it’s a full WEB HOST. So I can upload a small php script that
>> could reach out to the other account and copy the file over, maybe via an
>> FTP xfer or HTTP copy.
>>
>> It seems like a bunch of hoops to jump thru simply because they won’t set
>> up a shared folder that all of the domains in my account can access, but …
>> what can I say. It’s a shared server.
>>
>> That does give me an idea, tho….
>>
>> -David Schwartz
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 22, 2020, at 11:46 PM, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > A few questions here:
>> > 1. Are they “running instances” of an OS?
>> > 2. If so, can you use SSH/SCP between them
>> > 3. Any other networked application (console type) like RSync or similar
>> that can be used?
>> >
>> > Otherwise, unless you have root access to the original image, I am not
>> sure what else you can do.
>> >
>> > -Eric
>> > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Tech support center.
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Nov 22, 2020, at 7:07 PM, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have a “reseller” type shared hosting account where I have a WHM
>> that lets me create cPanel accounts. IOW, I don’t have root access.
>> >>
>> >> There’s a skel folder on the main account, and when i create a new
>> cPanel account, it copies files into the new account. Pretty standard for
>> *nix systems.
>> >>
>> >> I’m looking for a way to copy files from one of my cPanel accounts to
>> another without having to download to my local machine then upload to the
>> other account.
>> >>
>> >> They’re both accounts I have control of on the same server in the same
>> /home filetree.
>> >>
>> >> But their support says there’s no way to do that other than with skel,
>> but that’s not what I want. They’re already set up.
>> >>
>> >> Basically I simply want to copy some zip files from one account to a
>> few others as directly as possible.
>> >>
>> >> Surely there’s got to be a way to do that, maybe FTP-to-FTP, or a
>> little script I can put in each public_html folder that does a copy….
>> >>
>> >> Puzzled minds want to know. :)
>> >>
>> >> -David Schwartz
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: unusual file copy problem

[David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks, I’ll look into FXP.

I’m not using GD for hosting and this is not a one-time thing. I’m finding I’m 
having to zip up and copy files from one site to another on a more frequent 
basis, so I wanted to be able to do it more directly.

I guess an FTP client that lets me simulate that would be almost as good — with 
two windows that look at two different FTP sites, and I can simply drag-n-drop 
or click to send a file from one to the other, and it handles the DL and UL 
invisibly.

All FTP clients I know of are only between another system and my local machine.

-David Schwartz



> On Nov 23, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Thomas Scott  wrote:
> 
> I seem to remember running this via FTP to FTP connection, I think it was 
> called FXP? That's the direction I'd start looking at - Wikipedia has a list 
> of FTP clients that support FXP: Comparison of FTP client software - 
> Wikipedia 
> 
> 
> If you're using "that" hosting provider, (rhymes with SmoFaddy) I know at one 
> point you could call into their AHS (Advanced Hosting Support) group and 
> kindly ask them do the aforementioned transfer, but that was a 7 years and 
> several re-orgs ago. 
> 
> - Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com  
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:42 AM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss 
> mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> 
> wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions.
> 
> 1. I don’t know.
> 
> 2. I don’t have root access, and am unable to run SSH/SCP.
> 
> 3. This is a shared server. no console access is allowed. No SSH, no rsync, 
> no nuth’n. 
> 
> That said, it’s a full WEB HOST. So I can upload a small php script that 
> could reach out to the other account and copy the file over, maybe via an FTP 
> xfer or HTTP copy. 
> 
> It seems like a bunch of hoops to jump thru simply because they won’t set up 
> a shared folder that all of the domains in my account can access, but … what 
> can I say. It’s a shared server.
> 
> That does give me an idea, tho….
> 
> -David Schwartz
> 
> 
> 
> > On Nov 22, 2020, at 11:46 PM, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss 
> > mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > A few questions here:
> > 1. Are they “running instances” of an OS?
> > 2. If so, can you use SSH/SCP between them
> > 3. Any other networked application (console type) like RSync or similar 
> > that can be used?
> > 
> > Otherwise, unless you have root access to the original image, I am not sure 
> > what else you can do.
> > 
> > -Eric
> > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Tech support center.
> > 
> > 
> >> On Nov 22, 2020, at 7:07 PM, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss 
> >> mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> 
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I have a “reseller” type shared hosting account where I have a WHM that 
> >> lets me create cPanel accounts. IOW, I don’t have root access.
> >> 
> >> There’s a skel folder on the main account, and when i create a new cPanel 
> >> account, it copies files into the new account. Pretty standard for *nix 
> >> systems.
> >> 
> >> I’m looking for a way to copy files from one of my cPanel accounts to 
> >> another without having to download to my local machine then upload to the 
> >> other account.
> >> 
> >> They’re both accounts I have control of on the same server in the same 
> >> /home filetree.
> >> 
> >> But their support says there’s no way to do that other than with skel, but 
> >> that’s not what I want. They’re already set up.
> >> 
> >> Basically I simply want to copy some zip files from one account to a few 
> >> others as directly as possible.
> >> 
> >> Surely there’s got to be a way to do that, maybe FTP-to-FTP, or a little 
> >> script I can put in each public_html folder that does a copy….
> >> 
> >> Puzzled minds want to know. :)
> >> 
> >> -David Schwartz
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: Nextcloud photos backups

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Nextcloud will have a very interesting time resolving the file mismatch
from what the DB thinks it should have and what the file structure thinks
it should have. Using the OCC command I think will be your best bet to get
that resolved. the nextcloud client might be a good way to do this file
cleanup as it will talk directly to nextcloud and you can purge the trash
bin as well.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 8:35 AM Seabass via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> You don't want to use command line tools to remove files from nextcloud
> unless it is the occ tool.
> You were right, in relation to the trashbin; the database has an entry and
> all the files have something the correlate to. This is especially the case
> if your data is encrypted, because then there is a third decryption key
> folder.
>
> The trash bin has entries in the database too, I'm pretty sure, but occ
> has a command for clearing all trashbins. Just use that. There is probably
> something like that for versions, too.
>
> Lastly, if you do rm the files, I'm pretty sure you won't see any errors
> or anything, but the entries will still be in your database. Been a while
> since I had this issue myself, but that is what I recall.
> -
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 08:35:34 -0700
> From: Aaron Jones 
> To: Main PLUG discussion list 
> Subject: Re: Nextcloud photos backups
> Message-ID: <06c87362-e9f6-45fc-b8ad-b348cdfb3...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> You can’t use the web interface to download the files / folder in bulk and
> then choose to delete after diffing those folders to a file to see what it
> does? I would probably do that.
>
> > On Nov 21, 2020, at 1:41 AM, der.hans via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >
> > moin moin,
> >
> > I have an old experiemental Nextcloud install where I saved some files
> and
> > other documents. I don't care about anything else I played with. I also
> > don't care about shared links because they should not have been available
> > anyway :).
> >
> > If I just want to backup the files I can backup $ncdatadir/$user/files
> and
> > get everything?
> >
> > Also, if this were still active, could I just rm files to remove them
> from
> > Nextcloud?
> >
> > I see there are also files_trashbin and files_versions, so it seems I
> > might have to root around in those to make sure it's truly gone from the
> > system.
> >
> > I'm certain that removing them removes them, but not sure if Nextcloud
> > will then continue looking for them until the end of time ...
> >
> > ciao,
> >
> > der.hans
>
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Re: unusual file copy problem

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

I seem to remember running this via FTP to FTP connection, I think it was
called FXP? That's the direction I'd start looking at - Wikipedia has a
list of FTP clients that support FXP: Comparison of FTP client software -
Wikipedia


If you're using "that" hosting provider, (rhymes with SmoFaddy) I know at
one point you could call into their AHS (Advanced Hosting Support) group
and kindly ask them do the aforementioned transfer, but that was a 7 years
and several re-orgs ago.

- Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com


On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:42 AM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestions.
>
> 1. I don’t know.
>
> 2. I don’t have root access, and am unable to run SSH/SCP.
>
> 3. This is a shared server. no console access is allowed. No SSH, no
> rsync, no nuth’n.
>
> That said, it’s a full WEB HOST. So I can upload a small php script that
> could reach out to the other account and copy the file over, maybe via an
> FTP xfer or HTTP copy.
>
> It seems like a bunch of hoops to jump thru simply because they won’t set
> up a shared folder that all of the domains in my account can access, but …
> what can I say. It’s a shared server.
>
> That does give me an idea, tho….
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>
>
> > On Nov 22, 2020, at 11:46 PM, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >
> > A few questions here:
> > 1. Are they “running instances” of an OS?
> > 2. If so, can you use SSH/SCP between them
> > 3. Any other networked application (console type) like RSync or similar
> that can be used?
> >
> > Otherwise, unless you have root access to the original image, I am not
> sure what else you can do.
> >
> > -Eric
> > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Tech support center.
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 22, 2020, at 7:07 PM, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a “reseller” type shared hosting account where I have a WHM that
> lets me create cPanel accounts. IOW, I don’t have root access.
> >>
> >> There’s a skel folder on the main account, and when i create a new
> cPanel account, it copies files into the new account. Pretty standard for
> *nix systems.
> >>
> >> I’m looking for a way to copy files from one of my cPanel accounts to
> another without having to download to my local machine then upload to the
> other account.
> >>
> >> They’re both accounts I have control of on the same server in the same
> /home filetree.
> >>
> >> But their support says there’s no way to do that other than with skel,
> but that’s not what I want. They’re already set up.
> >>
> >> Basically I simply want to copy some zip files from one account to a
> few others as directly as possible.
> >>
> >> Surely there’s got to be a way to do that, maybe FTP-to-FTP, or a
> little script I can put in each public_html folder that does a copy….
> >>
> >> Puzzled minds want to know. :)
> >>
> >> -David Schwartz
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: Nextcloud photos backups

[Seabass via PLUG-discuss]

You don't want to use command line tools to remove files from nextcloud unless 
it is the occ tool.
You were right, in relation to the trashbin; the database has an entry and all 
the files have something the correlate to. This is especially the case if your 
data is encrypted, because then there is a third decryption key folder.

The trash bin has entries in the database too, I'm pretty sure, but occ has a 
command for clearing all trashbins. Just use that. There is probably something 
like that for versions, too.

Lastly, if you do rm the files, I'm pretty sure you won't see any errors or 
anything, but the entries will still be in your database. Been a while since I 
had this issue myself, but that is what I recall.
-

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 08:35:34 -0700
From: Aaron Jones 
To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: Nextcloud photos backups
Message-ID: <06c87362-e9f6-45fc-b8ad-b348cdfb3...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

You can’t use the web interface to download the files / folder in bulk and then 
choose to delete after diffing those folders to a file to see what it does? I 
would probably do that.

> On Nov 21, 2020, at 1:41 AM, der.hans via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>
> moin moin,
>
> I have an old experiemental Nextcloud install where I saved some files and
> other documents. I don't care about anything else I played with. I also
> don't care about shared links because they should not have been available
> anyway :).
>
> If I just want to backup the files I can backup $ncdatadir/$user/files and
> get everything?
>
> Also, if this were still active, could I just rm files to remove them from
> Nextcloud?
>
> I see there are also files_trashbin and files_versions, so it seems I
> might have to root around in those to make sure it's truly gone from the
> system.
>
> I'm certain that removing them removes them, but not sure if Nextcloud
> will then continue looking for them until the end of time ...
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans---
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