Re: OT: Linux Laptops

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I just bought a new laptop, a lenovo t15g g2 laptop, and it took some
hunting.  Normally I would not have considered Lenovo, but blame Stephen
Partington for extolling the virtue of Lenovo thinkpads, and they actually
are the beefiest boxes out there.

I never buy new, always used (like a car, let some sucker take the initial
hit), usually Dell, and was looking to get base specs I need to the point I
can upgrade to what I want.  It was a year or so of hunting to buy, I
finally found one , this lenovo, around 2000 bucks with a base i7, 64gb of
ram, rtx3080 video, and no touch screen.  I ripped out the 64gb with 4x
16gb for 4x 32gb sticks of ram for a full 128 I actually need/use, added 2x
1tb 980 pro samsung disks to the 1x 1tb samsung in it (an oem 980 gen
sammy) for my os raid1 plus potential hot spare, and a lenovo tb4 dock that
doesn't include that goddamn displaylink chip for video.  Still farting
with it since I got all parts, but going to be Arch/KDE like my current box
and watching it since last weekend with htop idling for issues.  Windoze
was oddly randomly rebooting itself over a few days I was watching it for
stability., but absolutely no issues since booting linux.  Meh, windoze
shitting itself randomly is the norm.

Dell has great linux support, Mario Limoncello, one of the kernel devs
works there, and tends to keep them in control to at least consider linux.
Lenovo is chinese crap probably I figure, but at least respect the need for
power users based on thinkpad's legacy in their top-end, better or worse
seems to still mostly hold it down.  Others - ymmv, less than more mostly.
Hopefully the lenovo bios isn't creating a backdoor vnc to my desktop
perpetually found on shodan.

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Re: OT: Linux Laptops

[Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss]

On 2022-08-25 07:30, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
WIll I have a problem with the Intel AX201 WiFi tot 2400 Mbps + 
Bluetooth 5.1

https://laptopwithlinux.com/product/intel-nuc11-linux-mini-computer/


"grep -ri ax201 *" in /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/ strongly suggests 
that it's supported by the iwlwifi module.  Many wireless cards require 
firmware, so you may have to do the initial installation via wired 
connection, or it might be available immediately.  But once a distro is 
installed, the card will probably work.


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Re: OT: Linux Laptops

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On Wed, 2022-08-24 at 18:00 -0700, Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> I have been looking around for Linux laptops and finding most in the U.S. are
> quite expensive. But then I came upon a web site that's called "Linux for 
> laptops"
> it's located in the Netherlands and a person can configure what they want on 
> it
> from Distro, Storage to memory. Has anyone else familiar with this site or has
> ordered from them or any dealings with them.
> I'm just trying to find a decent priced laptop for running Linux on.  Here is 
> the
> link.
> https://laptopwithlinux.com/
> 

I priced out an i5, 16GB RAM with 500GB NVMe (not the fast one), and it came 
out to
$832.49. This is much, much better than an offering from Penguin Computing or
System76. Matter of fact, for a 15" screen with 16GB RAM this is right in the
ballpark of retail, except for when something's on sale.

I'm concerned about the logistics of purchase, shipping, repair, and, if not
received as advertised, return. And how much is VAT and import duties?

For comparison, check this out:

https://www.costco.com/dell-inspiron-15.6%22-touchscreen-laptop---amd-ryzen-7-5825u---geforce-mx550---1080p---windows-11.product.100975575.html

Pretty much the same computer except no pre-install. With Costco, you can 
return it
within 90 days for pretty much any reason, so you could attempt your Ubuntu 
install,
and if that fails, set the computer back to factory, and return the laptop. 
This way
you're not dealing with someone in a different nation across the sea 6 timezones
away from you.

Also, if you have a good used computer outlet near you, you can get a laptop 
there
for less money, and because it's more than a year old, the odds are greatly in 
favor
of its hardware being compatable with a modern Linux.

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Re: Off Topic : Fast Food is Getting Expensive

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

Have not tried them.  Thanks for the info!!


On 2022-08-25 10:21, Daniel Stasinski via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Salad and Go is surprisingly inexpensive, but no dine-in option.

Daniel P. Stasinski
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On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 5:05 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:


Hi,

I just went to 5 guys in Chandler and ordered 2 double
cheeseburgers, a
large Fry, and large fountain drink.  It was for me and my wife.  We

usually only get one cheeseburger, however she wanted one by
herself.

Here is the punch line  :  almost $40.00. Yes you saw that
correctly.

About 8 years ago we stopped going out to eat for the most part when
2
combination plates of Mexican food with drinks came to $40.00.  We
decided to not eat out and very rarely do so.

Any thoughts on places to get halfway decent food for a reasonable
cost?

I think I may evaluate making my own burgers.  With the cost of beef
we
eat very little.

Thanks!!
Keith
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Re: Off Topic : Fast Food is Getting Expensive

[Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss]

I need to become a short order cook!!

Thanks for all the great info!!

On 2022-08-25 14:15, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:

On Wed, 2022-08-24 at 17:05 -0700, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:


Hi,

I just went to 5 guys in Chandler and ordered 2 double cheeseburgers, 
a

large Fry, and large fountain drink.  It was for me and my wife.  We
usually only get one cheeseburger, however she wanted one by herself.

Here is the punch line  :  almost $40.00. Yes you saw that correctly.

About 8 years ago we stopped going out to eat for the most part when 2
combination plates of Mexican food with drinks came to $40.00.  We
decided to not eat out and very rarely do so.


It's the hip thing these days to charge a fortune, chintz on the
product or service,
goof it up, then blame it on unavailability of employees, the supply 
chain, or
whatever political party you hate, and then laugh all the way to the 
bank on the

customer's dime.

Stop the madness. If a business charges outrageously and/or stinges on 
the
product/service, cross them off your list. If gas costs too much, use a 
bicyle,
public transportation, carpool, whatever, and also next time get a 
50mpg car.


In other words, don't support the ripoff artists with your money.
Saves you money,
and benefits society by bringing down inflation. I wish everybody did 
this.




Any thoughts on places to get halfway decent food for a reasonable 
cost?


Canned vegetables are still cheap. Eggs are still relatively cheap. I
just bought
red cabbage at $1.49/pound. Nutritious, can be boiled into a soup, and 
in a real

pinch (for lack of money or to lose weight) can substitute for bread
in a sandwich.



I think I may evaluate making my own burgers.  With the cost of beef 
we

eat very little.


Costco sells a pack of about 12 or 15 frozen burger patties for (IIRC)
under twenty
bucks. One burger plus a little beans and/or cabbage satisfies you 
unless you're

REALLY hungry. I fry them approximately 3 minutes on each side, at
medium-high heat,
and they come out delicious.

If you search, you can find fairly cheap breaded fish filets you can
just bake for
26 minute, flip at minute 13. If you set an alarm, you can do other 
things while

they cook. Not as nutritious as fresh fish, but preparation time is a
tiny fraction,
and you don't need to cook them the second you get home.

I sometimes put oil on the bottom of the frying pan, open 1 can of
garbanzo beans
and 1 can of spinach, rinse in the can with tap water to get all the
salt out, throw
them in the frying pan, mix them together, throw on the spices of your
choice, and
if you like hot, some hot sauce, cook with a lid on medium-high heat
until the water
evaporates but before things start to burn. However, you need to
attend it to flip
things over so the bottom layer doesn't get burned. This is a good
activity while
you wait for your fish in the oven.

I don't drink coffee, but if I did, I'd get instant coffee like
https://www.nescafe.com/us/products/tasters-choice/ . It's probably
about 15 cents a
cup. Don't make Howard Shultz even richer by shopping at Starbucks or 
some other
yuppie coffee joint. And oh, for gosh sakes, don't get those buck a cup 
coffee

makers that require a special kind of coffee cartridge. I think
Lennart Poettering
invented those.

For those who like it hot, consider Da Bomb Beyond Insanity hot sauce:

https://www.mohotta.com/product/da-bomb-beyond-insanity/Hot-Sauce

This sauce is so hot and so concentrated that a drop in a quart of
soup will make
the soup fairly hot (too hot for some), and add tremendous taste. I
guarantee you
that if you put this stuff on or into food (use very little), it won't
be tasteless.
You know the rubber chicken always served at catered events? A tiny
smearing of Da
Bomb will make the rubber chicken taste very interesting. For me, one
bottle of this
sauce is a 4 month supply, so don't let the fifteen dollar (plus
shipping) expense
disuade you. It costs less than the tax on your Internet or cell phone 
service.
Besides, you can probably find it on sale. Don't get anything hotter: 
The hotter

ones smell bad and burn your digestive system.

I don't think we can discuss food without discussing time. A lot of 
ordering out

happens because of lack of cooking time. It doesn't have to be that
way. I'm not a
chef, I'm a short order cook. When picking what to cook, my main 
priority is

minimizing what needs to be washed afterward. Second priority is quick
cooking time.
You know these guys on TV who have acres of prep area, and who mix in
stuff in three
different bowls, and sequentially wait for cooking task A to be done
before cooking
task B gets done? Looks good on TV, but not for the guy who just
worked a 12 hour
day and needs sleep. If it's not quick, easy and uses just one pot or
pan, I'm not
gonna do it.

As far as taste, that can usually be kludged in with powdered onions, 
powdered
garlic, pepper, hot sauce, and other quick to sprinkle spices. But not 
too many

Re: Off Topic : Fast Food is Getting Expensive

[Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss]

On Wed, 2022-08-24 at 17:05 -0700, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just went to 5 guys in Chandler and ordered 2 double cheeseburgers, a 
> large Fry, and large fountain drink.  It was for me and my wife.  We 
> usually only get one cheeseburger, however she wanted one by herself.
> 
> Here is the punch line  :  almost $40.00. Yes you saw that correctly.
> 
> About 8 years ago we stopped going out to eat for the most part when 2 
> combination plates of Mexican food with drinks came to $40.00.  We 
> decided to not eat out and very rarely do so.

It's the hip thing these days to charge a fortune, chintz on the product or 
service,
goof it up, then blame it on unavailability of employees, the supply chain, or
whatever political party you hate, and then laugh all the way to the bank on the
customer's dime.

Stop the madness. If a business charges outrageously and/or stinges on the
product/service, cross them off your list. If gas costs too much, use a bicyle,
public transportation, carpool, whatever, and also next time get a 50mpg car.

In other words, don't support the ripoff artists with your money. Saves you 
money,
and benefits society by bringing down inflation. I wish everybody did this.

> 
> Any thoughts on places to get halfway decent food for a reasonable cost?

Canned vegetables are still cheap. Eggs are still relatively cheap. I just 
bought
red cabbage at $1.49/pound. Nutritious, can be boiled into a soup, and in a real
pinch (for lack of money or to lose weight) can substitute for bread in a 
sandwich.

> 
> I think I may evaluate making my own burgers.  With the cost of beef we 
> eat very little.

Costco sells a pack of about 12 or 15 frozen burger patties for (IIRC) under 
twenty
bucks. One burger plus a little beans and/or cabbage satisfies you unless you're
REALLY hungry. I fry them approximately 3 minutes on each side, at medium-high 
heat,
and they come out delicious.

If you search, you can find fairly cheap breaded fish filets you can just bake 
for
26 minute, flip at minute 13. If you set an alarm, you can do other things while
they cook. Not as nutritious as fresh fish, but preparation time is a tiny 
fraction,
and you don't need to cook them the second you get home.

I sometimes put oil on the bottom of the frying pan, open 1 can of garbanzo 
beans
and 1 can of spinach, rinse in the can with tap water to get all the salt out, 
throw
them in the frying pan, mix them together, throw on the spices of your choice, 
and
if you like hot, some hot sauce, cook with a lid on medium-high heat until the 
water
evaporates but before things start to burn. However, you need to attend it to 
flip
things over so the bottom layer doesn't get burned. This is a good activity 
while
you wait for your fish in the oven.

I don't drink coffee, but if I did, I'd get instant coffee like
https://www.nescafe.com/us/products/tasters-choice/ . It's probably about 15 
cents a
cup. Don't make Howard Shultz even richer by shopping at Starbucks or some other
yuppie coffee joint. And oh, for gosh sakes, don't get those buck a cup coffee
makers that require a special kind of coffee cartridge. I think Lennart 
Poettering
invented those.

For those who like it hot, consider Da Bomb Beyond Insanity hot sauce:

https://www.mohotta.com/product/da-bomb-beyond-insanity/Hot-Sauce

This sauce is so hot and so concentrated that a drop in a quart of soup will 
make
the soup fairly hot (too hot for some), and add tremendous taste. I guarantee 
you
that if you put this stuff on or into food (use very little), it won't be 
tasteless.
You know the rubber chicken always served at catered events? A tiny smearing of 
Da
Bomb will make the rubber chicken taste very interesting. For me, one bottle of 
this
sauce is a 4 month supply, so don't let the fifteen dollar (plus shipping) 
expense
disuade you. It costs less than the tax on your Internet or cell phone service.
Besides, you can probably find it on sale. Don't get anything hotter: The hotter
ones smell bad and burn your digestive system.

I don't think we can discuss food without discussing time. A lot of ordering out
happens because of lack of cooking time. It doesn't have to be that way. I'm 
not a
chef, I'm a short order cook. When picking what to cook, my main priority is
minimizing what needs to be washed afterward. Second priority is quick cooking 
time.
You know these guys on TV who have acres of prep area, and who mix in stuff in 
three
different bowls, and sequentially wait for cooking task A to be done before 
cooking
task B gets done? Looks good on TV, but not for the guy who just worked a 12 
hour
day and needs sleep. If it's not quick, easy and uses just one pot or pan, I'm 
not
gonna do it.

As far as taste, that can usually be kludged in with powdered onions, powdered
garlic, pepper, hot sauce, and other quick to sprinkle spices. But not too many
spices. My experience tells me that spices are like medicines: The more you 
use, the
more likely 

Re: OT: Linux Laptops

[Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss]

The raspberry pi 4 has the Bluetooth 5.0 and no one has had any complaints. I 
just took my laptop to the shop for hardware problems and to replace my HDD in 
it. But I like what I see on Linuxforlaptops and may look more into it.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022, at 07:30, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> GOD is so good to me. I may be in the market for a new computer 
> linuxforlaptops also has NUCs (which I was looking for. I do have a 
> question about it though:
> WIll I have a problem with the Intel AX201 WiFi tot 2400 Mbps + 
> Bluetooth 5.1
> (https://laptopwithlinux.com/product/intel-nuc11-linux-mini-computer/)
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 10:08 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>> Am 24. Aug, 2022 schwätzte Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss so:
>> 
>> moin moin,
>> 
>> > I have been looking around for Linux laptops and finding most in the
>> > U.S. are quite expensive. But then I came upon a web site that's called
>> > "Linux for laptops" it's located in the Netherlands and a person can
>> > configure what they want on it from Distro, Storage to memory. Has
>> > anyone else familiar with this site or has ordered from them or any
>> > dealings with them.
>> 
>> I don't remember running into this group. Thanks for pointing them out.
>> Will check them out.
>> 
>> If ordering from the EU there might be a couple things to be aware of.
>> 
>> A couple months back I bought a laptop from Tuxedo Computing in
>> Germany. My budget was higher than yours. I don't know if they have
>> something in your range. For me they were the only place I could find with
>> AMD for laptops at that particular time.
>> 
>> When I checked out they dropped the Mehrwertsteuer ( VAT tax ), which was
>> $100+, but then charged $100 for shipping to the US. In the end the total
>> checkout price was $30 or $50 less than the listed price, I don't remember
>> exactly. NE likely also drops the VAT tax at checkout, no idea what they
>> do for shipping.
>> 
>> The delivery took less than a week from checkout. That was likely
>> abnormally fast.
>> 
>> > I'm just trying to find a decent priced laptop for running Linux on.  Here 
>> > is the link.
>> > https://laptopwithlinux.com/
>> 
>> I also bought some discount acer spin laptops for the family ( what I'm
>> using right now ). They have been good and were about $850. I specifically
>> wanted touchscreen with full foldover to touchpad mode for those. There
>> were a couple small gotchas for the install, but I had found a guide to
>> the install before buying them. They've been great thus far. They've
>> performed well for light Krita work.
>> 
>> The Destination Linux and Linux Unplugged podcasts have both covered Linux
>> laptops on their shows this Summer. It was mostly about latest, greatest,
>> coolest stuff, so likely all at the higher end of the pricescale. Show
>> notes probably have links to what they covered.
>> 
>> ciao,
>> 
>> der.hans
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Re: Off Topic : Fast Food is Getting Expensive

[Daniel Stasinski via PLUG-discuss]

Salad and Go is surprisingly inexpensive, but no dine-in option.

*Daniel P. Stasinski*
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On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 5:05 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I just went to 5 guys in Chandler and ordered 2 double cheeseburgers, a
> large Fry, and large fountain drink.  It was for me and my wife.  We
> usually only get one cheeseburger, however she wanted one by herself.
>
> Here is the punch line  :  almost $40.00. Yes you saw that correctly.
>
> About 8 years ago we stopped going out to eat for the most part when 2
> combination plates of Mexican food with drinks came to $40.00.  We
> decided to not eat out and very rarely do so.
>
> Any thoughts on places to get halfway decent food for a reasonable cost?
>
> I think I may evaluate making my own burgers.  With the cost of beef we
> eat very little.
>
> Thanks!!
> Keith
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Re: OT: Linux Laptops

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

GOD is so good to me. I may be in the market for a new computer
linuxforlaptops also has NUCs (which I was looking for. I do have a
question about it though:
WIll I have a problem with the Intel AX201 WiFi tot 2400 Mbps + Bluetooth
5.1
(https://laptopwithlinux.com/product/intel-nuc11-linux-mini-computer/)

On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 10:08 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Am 24. Aug, 2022 schwätzte Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss so:
>
> moin moin,
>
> > I have been looking around for Linux laptops and finding most in the
> > U.S. are quite expensive. But then I came upon a web site that's called
> > "Linux for laptops" it's located in the Netherlands and a person can
> > configure what they want on it from Distro, Storage to memory. Has
> > anyone else familiar with this site or has ordered from them or any
> > dealings with them.
>
> I don't remember running into this group. Thanks for pointing them out.
> Will check them out.
>
> If ordering from the EU there might be a couple things to be aware of.
>
> A couple months back I bought a laptop from Tuxedo Computing in
> Germany. My budget was higher than yours. I don't know if they have
> something in your range. For me they were the only place I could find with
> AMD for laptops at that particular time.
>
> When I checked out they dropped the Mehrwertsteuer ( VAT tax ), which was
> $100+, but then charged $100 for shipping to the US. In the end the total
> checkout price was $30 or $50 less than the listed price, I don't remember
> exactly. NE likely also drops the VAT tax at checkout, no idea what they
> do for shipping.
>
> The delivery took less than a week from checkout. That was likely
> abnormally fast.
>
> > I'm just trying to find a decent priced laptop for running Linux on.
> Here is the link.
> > https://laptopwithlinux.com/
>
> I also bought some discount acer spin laptops for the family ( what I'm
> using right now ). They have been good and were about $850. I specifically
> wanted touchscreen with full foldover to touchpad mode for those. There
> were a couple small gotchas for the install, but I had found a guide to
> the install before buying them. They've been great thus far. They've
> performed well for light Krita work.
>
> The Destination Linux and Linux Unplugged podcasts have both covered Linux
> laptops on their shows this Summer. It was mostly about latest, greatest,
> coolest stuff, so likely all at the higher end of the pricescale. Show
> notes probably have links to what they covered.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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Re: Off Topic : Fast Food is Getting Expensive

[Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss]

Does In'N Out qualify as half decent? (It's good while it's hot)

Best Regards,
-Thomas Scott


On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 8:05 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I just went to 5 guys in Chandler and ordered 2 double cheeseburgers, a
> large Fry, and large fountain drink.  It was for me and my wife.  We
> usually only get one cheeseburger, however she wanted one by herself.
>
> Here is the punch line  :  almost $40.00. Yes you saw that correctly.
>
> About 8 years ago we stopped going out to eat for the most part when 2
> combination plates of Mexican food with drinks came to $40.00.  We
> decided to not eat out and very rarely do so.
>
> Any thoughts on places to get halfway decent food for a reasonable cost?
>
> I think I may evaluate making my own burgers.  With the cost of beef we
> eat very little.
>
> Thanks!!
> Keith
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