Re: Ubuntu 18.04

[Shawn Fratis]

You should consider making your own CD. It's pretty simple: go to the
Ubuntu website and download the .iso for your computer, then burn as an
image disc (you can right-click from the .iso in Windows to get this
function). Burn to your CD (you will probably need a blank DVD-R), then
restart your machine (you might have to tell it to start from the CD
drive), and then Ubuntu will talk you through the rest.

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:56 AM mike enriquez  wrote:

> I would like to get a CD to  install Ubuntu 18.04. One site offers 12
> CDs of repository files. I know many of you may make your own install
> CDs. I don't have the time so where is the best place to purchase these
> CDs.  Are that many CDs of repository files necessary?
>
> Help the Novice. Thanks a lot to those who respond.
>
>
> Mike Enriquez
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RE: Ubuntu 18.04

[Carruth, Rusty]

Put a slightly different way -

Actually, let me interrupt myself and say - if you start at distrowatch.com I 
seem to recall a LOT of links for where to buy install images.  You might start 
there if you’re bound and determined to go buy something ;-)

Ok, back to our regularly-scheduled email:

Generally, you can use multiple CDs or a single DVD (I’m assuming that ‘they’ 
still allow the use of CDs instead of DVDs!).  I suppose it’s possible to only 
burn the CDs you know you’ll need, but I certainly wouldn’t know ahead of time 
which ones I have to have and which I don’t, so I’d probably download all of 
them anyway.  Which makes me say:

If you get an install DVD instead of a bunch of install CDs you’re probably 
better off over using CDs, if for no other reason than you don’t have to guess 
which CDs you need.  For Linux Mint (which I use because I’m lazy ;-) and which 
is based on  Ubuntu), the DVD image is under 2GB (more than 1G, but I forget 
how much more).

To back up a little,  why are you looking for CD images of repositories?  Do 
you not have access to the internet from where the machine will have Linux 
installed?  Or is it because you only have a CD drive and not a DVD drive?

If it’s the latter, a DVD drive can be had for under $20 (I bought some USB DVD 
drives for under $20 on eBay, including shipping).

If you live in or near Tempe, and can’t download (or can’t burn) a DVD, let me 
know which exact version of Ubuntu (or derivative - as I say, I use Mint ;-) 
you want, and I’ll burn you a DVD.  You meet me somewhere that isn’t too far 
from where I usually drive anyway, bring a blank DVD, and I’ll trade you.

Now, if you’re worried about keeping that host up to date without an internet 
connection, that’s a bit of a different question.

Generally, everybody today assumes that all hosts have access to the internet.  
Kind of a pain for places where internet access is either behind a really 
badly-designed (cough Microsoft ;-) proxy, or you have no access at all…  (And, 
yes, I speak from experience)

Not having direct internet access is something of a pain for keeping hosts 
updated.  If that’s your issue, it deserves a whole different thread.  For now, 
all I’ll say is: On Mint (and I assume on ANY Linux host using synaptic) you 
can create a download script for whatever packages you want to install, copy 
that script to a place that HAS internet access, run it, copy the downloaded 
files back to that original host, and install (using apt or dpkg).  Updating 
the package lists, however, could be a real issue.  In fact, updating a Mint 
machine without internet access would probably not work, since Mint disabled 
update in synaptic.  (Please, no flames.  Not my decision, and after grokking 
why they did that I’m ok with it.  I probably wouldn’t have done it that way, 
but nobody asked me ;-)

.

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Of Shawn Fratis
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 8:04 AM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: Ubuntu 18.04

You should consider making your own CD. It's pretty simple: go to the Ubuntu 
website and download the .iso for your computer, then burn as an image disc 
(you can right-click from the .iso in Windows to get this function). Burn to 
your CD (you will probably need a blank DVD-R), then restart your machine (you 
might have to tell it to start from the CD drive), and then Ubuntu will talk 
you through the rest.

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:56 AM mike enriquez 
mailto:myli...@cox.net>> wrote:
I would like to get a CD to  install Ubuntu 18.04. One site offers 12
CDs of repository files. I know many of you may make your own install
CDs. I don't have the time so where is the best place to purchase these
CDs.  Are that many CDs of repository files necessary?

Help the Novice. Thanks a lot to those who respond.


Mike Enriquez

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RE: Ubuntu 18.04

[Carruth, Rusty]

Now, THAT’s an even better solution than finding me!   Highly recommended 
solution.


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Of Todd Cole
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 8:14 AM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: Ubuntu 18.04

 Single DVD for 18.04 for the OS the rest can be quickly downloaded (updates 
added repos if needed)
Installfest Saturday UAT 48 St and baseline 10-4PM We have DVD.s and USB's and 
can help you install
configure and debug if necessary. We should be in room 206 but ask at front 
counter if needed
University of Advancing Technology
2625 W Baseline Rd, Tempe, AZ 85283

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Re: Ubuntu 18.04

[Stephen Partington]

With ether every image to USB has been valid (barring bad drive or download)

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 9:12 PM Steve Litt  wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:30:19 -0700
> Matt Graham  wrote:
>
> > On 2018-06-12 14:06, Stephen Partington wrote:
> > > Generally speaking I do not use a CD/DVD to install an OS. I haven't
> > > for quite some time.  I use a combination of Rufus and etcher to
> > > write installation media to [a] USB drive.
> >
> > Wait, what?  Why would you need any utilities at all to do that?
> > Also, there are no ebuilds for "rufus" or "etcher" in a
> > recently-synced portage tree.
> >
> > All you need to do is "dd if=distroname-1.2.3.iso of=/dev/sdN
> > bs=32k", making sure that sdN refers to the USB disk you wish to
> > overwrite with the distro installation image.  BIOSes are smart
> > enough to invoke El Torito when they boot from a USB disk and see an
> > ISO or UDF image on it. At least IME.  (If YMMV, tell us details.)
> >
>
> My experience, several years ago (probably 2011) was that some distros'
> install DVD image dd'ed to a thumbdrive worked perfectly, while other
> distros' DVD image dd'ed to a thumbdrive wouldn't boot.
>
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
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10,000 jobs could be lost to robots says Citi

[techlists]

The article says in part "...advances in automation will lead to the
loss of over 5 million jobs in 15 major developed and emerging economies
by 2020.". 

https://www.finextra.com/newsarticle/32240/1-jobs-could-be-lost-to-robots-says-citi


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Re: Ubuntu 18.04

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:30:19 -0700
Matt Graham  wrote:

> On 2018-06-12 14:06, Stephen Partington wrote:
> > Generally speaking I do not use a CD/DVD to install an OS. I haven't
> > for quite some time.  I use a combination of Rufus and etcher to
> > write installation media to [a] USB drive.  
> 
> Wait, what?  Why would you need any utilities at all to do that?
> Also, there are no ebuilds for "rufus" or "etcher" in a
> recently-synced portage tree.
> 
> All you need to do is "dd if=distroname-1.2.3.iso of=/dev/sdN
> bs=32k", making sure that sdN refers to the USB disk you wish to
> overwrite with the distro installation image.  BIOSes are smart
> enough to invoke El Torito when they boot from a USB disk and see an
> ISO or UDF image on it. At least IME.  (If YMMV, tell us details.)
> 

My experience, several years ago (probably 2011) was that some distros'
install DVD image dd'ed to a thumbdrive worked perfectly, while other
distros' DVD image dd'ed to a thumbdrive wouldn't boot.


SteveT

Steve Litt 
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http://www.troubleshooters.com/28


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Re: 10,000 jobs could be lost to robots says Citi

[David Schwartz]

Well, the Good News for folks on this list is that the software industry has 
still done virtually nothing to improve our own productivity, and as a result 
the Dept of Labor is still estimating a general shortage of over a million 
programmers by 2020. 

We (as in WE THE PEOPLE) should be investing heavily in developing new 
technological solutions to replace these jobs, as well as retraiing people 
displaced by corporations more interested in their shareholders than society. 

But instead, “shrinking the government” is leaving this investment to the same 
companies who are laying them off and complaining that there aren’t enough 
“qualified employees” to build the next generation of technology already. 

And instead of investing in educating the masses (or even retraining the people 
they’re laying off), they’re buying back stock and investing their profits in 
off-shore facilities where they can hire labor at a fraction of the cost of US 
labor. 

Who needs to deal with immigrants when Congress is giving you billions of 
dollars in free money to invest in whatever you can create that gives your 
shareholders the greatest ROI they can possibly get?

To add insult to injury, as much as Trump hates immigrants, I’m not holding my 
breath until he announces unlimited H-1B visas for people with degrees in 
“in-demand” fields like software and engineering (STEM) from countries with an 
excess of graduates in those fields, like India, Pakistan, China, S. Korea, 
Japan, and others.

As long as Trump is in office, your best investment is going to be in the stock 
market. Because wages will remain flat, layoffs will increase, the job market 
will shrink, job retraining will disappear, unemployment benefits will shrink, 
welfare will be harder to get, and Trump will do whatever it takes to appease 
his billionaire buddies.

-David Schwartz



> On Jun 12, 2018, at 6:42 PM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> The article says in part "...advances in automation will lead to the loss of 
> over 5 million jobs in 15 major developed and emerging economies by 2020.".
> 
> https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=3cK2FVJjyu2N-2Bxco034fZqJRbsRcAE6uYSiUnqml3q-2B94ZIAHmSIs4JcyImTUqpcRn4JbAT8slIOmR24WnVTe3Z0zBv0cYCHdW4PZu7Ao416k99vAd1fjxyrvO7KcqKP_6lpMB7VLnN-2Fj9-2FEErg8-2F-2BMBpb5QxlByTgv2M3fbWD9ebvC-2BWrN3h7jImK8EVWYBerEEJnEgs-2FxkggngyJL9iLYHnn1zfDDTunNZKb85Pp2GA2APtJxfAFrwn1VvWy9PAsm1kvTJH1lq3NzRh9TdemmSCq5fPaL5hckbOLSVPvKQBZkgKvxCrEYyUPXN628YieQBae-2FRLeoXJfAb8qatRFbS1x6YtStct3VGm2OEaGvM-3D
>  
> 
> I'm starting to see lots of articles like this one.  I'm reading that whole 
> industries will be wiped out within the next 20 years. 
> 

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Re: Ubuntu 18.04

[Matt Graham]

On 2018-06-12 14:06, Stephen Partington wrote:

Generally speaking I do not use a CD/DVD to install an OS. I haven't
for quite some time.  I use a combination of Rufus and etcher to
write installation media to [a] USB drive.


Wait, what?  Why would you need any utilities at all to do that?  Also, 
there are no ebuilds for "rufus" or "etcher" in a recently-synced 
portage tree.


All you need to do is "dd if=distroname-1.2.3.iso of=/dev/sdN bs=32k", 
making sure that sdN refers to the USB disk you wish to overwrite with 
the distro installation image.  BIOSes are smart enough to invoke El 
Torito when they boot from a USB disk and see an ISO or UDF image on it. 
At least IME.  (If YMMV, tell us details.)


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Re: Mint update errors ???

[kitepilot]

Mike, what;s the output of:
cat /etc/issue
ET 



Michael writes: 


ask on the mint forums. I think the sources need to be updated as the links
are dead 

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 10:28 PM,  wrote: 


When I last tried to update a Dell laptop,
I got these errors. How can I fix this? 


E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mint-artwork-common_1.8.1.2_all.deb: subprocess
dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2 


W: Failed to fetch
http://packages.linuxmint.com/pool/upstream/f/firefox/
firefox_60.0.1+linuxmint1+rosa_amd64.deb
  404  Not Found [IP: 68.235.39.11 80] 


W: Failed to fetch
http://packages.linuxmint.com/pool/upstream/f/firefox/
firefox-locale-en_60.0.1+linuxmint1+rosa_amd64.deb
  404  Not Found [IP: 68.235.39.11 80] 



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Re: Mint update errors ???

[kitepilot]

I did...:)
Joe, what's the output of:
cat /etc/issue
ET 



Michael writes: 

I'm sure you meant 'Joe' 

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 3:51 PM,  wrote: 


Mike, what;s the output of:
cat /etc/issue
ET 

Michael writes: 


ask on the mint forums. I think the sources need to be updated as the
links
are dead
On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 10:28 PM,  wrote: 


When I last tried to update a Dell laptop,
I got these errors. How can I fix this?
E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mint-artwork-common_1.8.1.2_all.deb:
subprocess
dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
W: Failed to fetch
http://packages.linuxmint.com/pool/upstream/f/firefox/
firefox_60.0.1+linuxmint1+rosa_amd64.deb
  404  Not Found [IP: 68.235.39.11 80]
W: Failed to fetch
http://packages.linuxmint.com/pool/upstream/f/firefox/
firefox-locale-en_60.0.1+linuxmint1+rosa_amd64.deb
  404  Not Found [IP: 68.235.39.11 80] 


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Re: Ubuntu 18.04

[Stephen Partington]

Generally speaking I Do not use a CD/DVD to install an OS. I havent for
quite some time.

I use a combination of Rufus and etcher to write installation media to USB
drive.

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
wrote:

> Now, THAT’s an even better solution than finding me!   Highly recommended
> solution.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Todd Cole
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 12, 2018 8:14 AM
> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
> *Subject:* Re: Ubuntu 18.04
>
>
>
>  Single DVD for 18.04 for the OS the rest can be quickly downloaded
> (updates added repos if needed)
>
> Installfest Saturday UAT 48 St and baseline 10-4PM We have DVD.s and USB's
> and can help you install
>
> configure and debug if necessary. We should be in room 206 but ask at
> front counter if needed
>
> University of Advancing Technology
>
> 2625 W Baseline Rd, Tempe, AZ 85283
>
>
>
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Re: Ubuntu 18.04

[Stephen Partington]

Rufus, is a windows based application and I have yet to find anything
better for dealing with windows iso writing.

etcher is very clean and is just a touch more graceful than using dd (for
me)

https://etcher.io/

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Matt Graham  wrote:

> On 2018-06-12 14:06, Stephen Partington wrote:
>
>> Generally speaking I do not use a CD/DVD to install an OS. I haven't
>> for quite some time.  I use a combination of Rufus and etcher to
>> write installation media to [a] USB drive.
>>
>
> Wait, what?  Why would you need any utilities at all to do that?  Also,
> there are no ebuilds for "rufus" or "etcher" in a recently-synced portage
> tree.
>
> All you need to do is "dd if=distroname-1.2.3.iso of=/dev/sdN bs=32k",
> making sure that sdN refers to the USB disk you wish to overwrite with the
> distro installation image.  BIOSes are smart enough to invoke El Torito
> when they boot from a USB disk and see an ISO or UDF image on it. At least
> IME.  (If YMMV, tell us details.)
>
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Re: Mint update errors ???

[Michael]

I'm sure you meant 'Joe'

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 3:51 PM,  wrote:

> Mike, what;s the output of:
> cat /etc/issue
> ET
>
> Michael writes:
>
>> ask on the mint forums. I think the sources need to be updated as the
>> links
>> are dead
>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 10:28 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> When I last tried to update a Dell laptop,
>>> I got these errors. How can I fix this?
>>> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mint-artwork-common_1.8.1.2_all.deb:
>>> subprocess
>>> dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
>>> W: Failed to fetch
>>> http://packages.linuxmint.com/pool/upstream/f/firefox/
>>> firefox_60.0.1+linuxmint1+rosa_amd64.deb
>>>   404  Not Found [IP: 68.235.39.11 80]
>>> W: Failed to fetch
>>> http://packages.linuxmint.com/pool/upstream/f/firefox/
>>> firefox-locale-en_60.0.1+linuxmint1+rosa_amd64.deb
>>>   404  Not Found [IP: 68.235.39.11 80]
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Ubuntu 18.04

[mike enriquez]

I would like to get a CD to  install Ubuntu 18.04. One site offers 12 
CDs of repository files. I know many of you may make your own install 
CDs. I don't have the time so where is the best place to purchase these 
CDs.  Are that many CDs of repository files necessary?


Help the Novice. Thanks a lot to those who respond.


Mike Enriquez

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