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Re: Canceled: [Invitation] Installfest @ Monthly at 10am on the last Saturday (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us)

2009-06-26 Thread Dazed_75

Coolness,  I will be there as usual then.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:52 PM, der.hans  wrote:

> Am 26. Jun, 2009 schwätzte Dazed_75 so:
>
>  Clearly she has been around too many government types who like changing
>> the
>> days for holidays :)
>>
>> So are we having one or not?  Since I believe Alexander arranges the
>> network
>>
>
> The Installfest is on. Just talked to Alexander and he was unaware of the
> posted cancellation. He'll look into it. He will be there tomorrow.
>
>  mods for us to use the new room, I have to assume the hard connection
>> would
>> not be available.  Nor would the equipment he usually brings.  I suspect
>> we
>> could get by if people are coming but I don't wish to drive in from AJ
>> just
>> to find out.
>>
>
> He should have his normal equipment with him, but I didn't specifically
> ask.
>
> I hope tomorrow's Installfest will be in the open room on the first floor.
> We still need verification from UAT on that.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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Re: Installfest is a go

2009-06-26 Thread Eric Shubert

How/where do people register for help at the IF?

der.hans wrote:
> moin moin,
> 
> tomorrow's Installfest will happen. Sorry about the incorrect post this
> morning indicating a cancellation. This month's Installfest has NOT been
> cancelled. This month's Installfest will be taking place tomorrow.
> 
> Alexander will be there.
> 
> We also have several people who've registered they'll be there for help.
> 
> One has an old laptop and needs help getting GNU/Linux installed. We
> probably need the xubuntu alternate CD based on the specs for his machine,
> but we might get lucky and be able to do a USB drive install.
> 
> Another person will have a *NIX box with samba and an m$ box and needs to
> get filesharing working.
> 
> 10:00 to 16:00 at UAT on Saturday the 27th.
> 
> http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/node/122
> 
> Thanks to those of you who will be there to help!
> 
> ciao,
> 
> der.hans


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Re: Installfest is a go

2009-06-26 Thread Nadim Hoque

What room will it be
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moin moin,

tomorrow's Installfest will happen. Sorry about the incorrect post this
morning indicating a cancellation. This month's Installfest has NOT been
cancelled. This month's Installfest will be taking place tomorrow.

Alexander will be there.

We also have several people who've registered they'll be there for help.

One has an old laptop and needs help getting GNU/Linux installed. We
probably need the xubuntu alternate CD based on the specs for his machine,
but we might get lucky and be able to do a USB drive install.

Another person will have a *NIX box with samba and an m$ box and needs to
get filesharing working.

10:00 to 16:00 at UAT on Saturday the 27th.

http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/node/122

Thanks to those of you who will be there to help!

ciao,

der.hans
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Installfest is a go

2009-06-26 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

tomorrow's Installfest will happen. Sorry about the incorrect post this
morning indicating a cancellation. This month's Installfest has NOT been
cancelled. This month's Installfest will be taking place tomorrow.

Alexander will be there.

We also have several people who've registered they'll be there for help.

One has an old laptop and needs help getting GNU/Linux installed. We
probably need the xubuntu alternate CD based on the specs for his machine,
but we might get lucky and be able to do a USB drive install.

Another person will have a *NIX box with samba and an m$ box and needs to
get filesharing working.

10:00 to 16:00 at UAT on Saturday the 27th.

http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/node/122

Thanks to those of you who will be there to help!

ciao,

der.hans
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Re: Canceled: [Invitation] Installfest @ Monthly at 10am on the last Saturday (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us)

2009-06-26 Thread der.hans


Am 26. Jun, 2009 schwätzte Dazed_75 so:


Clearly she has been around too many government types who like changing the
days for holidays :)

So are we having one or not?  Since I believe Alexander arranges the network


The Installfest is on. Just talked to Alexander and he was unaware of the
posted cancellation. He'll look into it. He will be there tomorrow.


mods for us to use the new room, I have to assume the hard connection would
not be available.  Nor would the equipment he usually brings.  I suspect we
could get by if people are coming but I don't wish to drive in from AJ just
to find out.


He should have his normal equipment with him, but I didn't specifically
ask.

I hope tomorrow's Installfest will be in the open room on the first floor.
We still need verification from UAT on that.

ciao,

der.hans
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Re: OT: Match.com's Message System Exposes Private "Outside" Email Addresses

2009-06-26 Thread kitepi...@kitepilot.com

Now, somebody got the picture!!!:)
ET 

PS: Man, I'll be laughing about this one for some time... 


Lisa Kachold writes: 

> http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/tech%20support%20demotivator.jpg 
> 
> On 6/26/09, kitepi...@kitepilot.com  wrote:
>> You made my point:
>> "competent person", "technical support" and "Corporate America" don't go
>> together in a meaningful sentence!   ;-)
>> ET 
>>
>>
>> Stephen writes: 
>>
>>> Hey i used to be Tech support and very competent... then the
>>> incompetent company fell apart... its still there but a disaster of a
>>> company. 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:48 AM,
>>> kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
>> if actually READ by a competent person would tell the tale ...
 C'mon, you're kidding us, are you?
 "competent person" in "technical support" of "Corporate America" is just
 an
 overblown fairy tale...
 ;-)
 ET 


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>>>
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>>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. 
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Re: Canceled: [Invitation] Installfest @ Monthly at 10am on the last Saturday (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us)

2009-06-26 Thread Dazed_75

Clearly she has been around too many government types who like changing the
days for holidays :)

So are we having one or not?  Since I believe Alexander arranges the network
mods for us to use the new room, I have to assume the hard connection would
not be available.  Nor would the equipment he usually brings.  I suspect we
could get by if people are coming but I don't wish to drive in from AJ just
to find out.

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Re: OT: Match.com's Message System Exposes Private "Outside" Email Addresses

2009-06-26 Thread Lisa Kachold

http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/tech%20support%20demotivator.jpg

On 6/26/09, kitepi...@kitepilot.com  wrote:
> You made my point:
> "competent person", "technical support" and "Corporate America" don't go
> together in a meaningful sentence!   ;-)
> ET
>
>
> Stephen writes:
>
>> Hey i used to be Tech support and very competent... then the
>> incompetent company fell apart... its still there but a disaster of a
>> company.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:48 AM,
>> kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
> if actually READ by a competent person would tell the tale ...
>>> C'mon, you're kidding us, are you?
>>> "competent person" in "technical support" of "Corporate America" is just
>>> an
>>> overblown fairy tale...
>>> ;-)
>>> ET
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
>>
>> Stephen
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Re: Canceled: [Invitation] Installfest @ Monthly at 10am on the last Saturday (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us)

2009-06-26 Thread Lisa Kachold

Brain scatter!

(um...what year is this...)

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On 6/26/09, der.hans  wrote:
> Am 26. Jun, 2009 schwätzte Lisa Kachold so:
>
> moin moin Lisa,
>
>> Yea, it's Independence Day, when people can actually be there, because
>> they aren't a slave to Corporate America!
>
> I'm not really certain what you're saying here. Are you saying that
> tomorrow is Independence Day?
>
> Installfest is tomorrow. Independence Day is next week.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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Re: Fedora 11 IcedTea/ javaws errors

2009-06-26 Thread Shawn Badger

once I find out I will let the list know

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Joshua Zeidner  wrote:

>  Im curious to know what broke exactly...  jmz
>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Shawn Badger
> wrote:
> > I'm trying to run the CommVault "Galaxy Commcell Console" under Fedora
> 11,
> > it worked in the beta version but not in the release version under
> openjdk.
> > That is just on of the "enterprise" apps that doesn't work.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Joseph Sinclair <
> plug-discuss...@stcaz.net>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> OpenJDK is pretty complete.  I haven't been able to break it yet.
> >>
> >> I don't run applets or javaws often, but haven't had trouble with
> either.
> >>
> >> What you're seeing is a configuration error related to packaging.
>  There's
> >> a missing property setting or the property setting is incorrect.
> >>
> >> Read through
> >>
> http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/guides/deployment/deployment-guide/properties.html
> >> where the configuration options for
> >> javaws are described, and check your system and/or user config files to
> be
> >> sure they're pointing to reasonable locations.
> >> most likely the deployment.user.cachedir property is misconfigured or
> it's
> >> target directory is missing.
> >>
> >> Shawn Badger wrote:
> >> >  I Know , but that is what come with Fedora. I have sun's java
> installed
> >> > as
> >> > well, but out of the box it wants to use the openjdk stuff.
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Joshua Zeidner 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>  with IcedTea and OpenJDK youre generally off the beaten path.
> >> >> prepare to do some bushwacking.  I would be interested to know if
> >> >> anyone had any major successes with it.
> >> >>
> >> >>  -jmz
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Shawn Badger<
> badger.sh...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>> I am having problems getting IcedTea to work. I think they are
> >> >>> directly
> >> >>> related to the error I get in with javaws not running. Here is my
> >> >>> error
> >> >> with
> >> >>> javaws:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> [shaw...@lkppr90l ~]$
> >> >> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0/jre/bin/javaws
> >> >>> netx: No base directory (contains cache and other data)
> >> >>> [shaw...@lkppr90l ~]$
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I see this error no matter what options I pass and Google hasn't
> >> >>> returned
> >> >>> anything usefull this time.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> IcedTea just tells me to try and save the file localy and then run
> it.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Has anyone else seen this issue?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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Re: Fedora 11 IcedTea/ javaws errors

2009-06-26 Thread Joshua Zeidner

  running an applet is not an enterprise application.  I do not
consider Bugzilla workarounds to be fully functional.

  have a super day.

  -jmz



On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Francis Earl wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 07:53 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
>> Thats good to hear.  Im more interested to know if anyone has run
>> any serious server-side 'enterprise' applications on it.  but, Thanks
>> for the info!  -jmz
>
> What part of "fully functional" did you assume wasn't referring to
> enterprise class applications? Performance even feels faster than Sun's
> implementation, and it's lacking very few features from the closed java.
>
> OpenJDK is going to be released as Java7 eventually, so of course it is
> designed to be just as solid.
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OT: IBM Claims Privacy Breakthrough for Cloud, Data [InternetNews.com] ("via" acm TechNews)

2009-06-26 Thread Mike Schwartz

*IBM Claims Privacy Breakthrough for Cloud, Data*
*InternetNews.com (06/25/09) Goldman, Alex*

This article:
http://www.internetnews.com/security/print.php/3827006
was summarized (and linked to) in today's acm TechNews:
http://technews.acm.org/archives.cfm?fo=2009-06-jun/jun-26-2009.html#417968

["remarkable" quote:]
<<
"This is ... one of the most remarkable crypto papers ever," says PGP
cryptographer Hal Finney. "I have to go back to Godel's and Turing's work to
think of a comparable example."
>>
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Re: Fedora 11 IcedTea/ javaws errors

2009-06-26 Thread Francis Earl

On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 07:53 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> Thats good to hear.  Im more interested to know if anyone has run
> any serious server-side 'enterprise' applications on it.  but, Thanks
> for the info!  -jmz

What part of "fully functional" did you assume wasn't referring to
enterprise class applications? Performance even feels faster than Sun's
implementation, and it's lacking very few features from the closed java.

OpenJDK is going to be released as Java7 eventually, so of course it is
designed to be just as solid.

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Re: Canceled: [Invitation] Installfest @ Monthly at 10am on the last Saturday (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us)

2009-06-26 Thread Eric Shubert

der.hans wrote:
> Am 26. Jun, 2009 schwätzte Lisa Kachold so:
> 
> moin moin Lisa,
> 
>> Yea, it's Independence Day, when people can actually be there, because
>> they aren't a slave to Corporate America!
> 
> I'm not really certain what you're saying here. Are you saying that
> tomorrow is Independence Day?
> 
> Installfest is tomorrow. Independence Day is next week.
> 
> ciao,
> 
> der.hans
> 

Maybe she's been on the gas a little too much again. ;)

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Re: Canceled: [Invitation] Installfest @ Monthly at 10am on the last Saturday (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us)

2009-06-26 Thread der.hans


Am 26. Jun, 2009 schwätzte Lisa Kachold so:

moin moin Lisa,


Yea, it's Independence Day, when people can actually be there, because
they aren't a slave to Corporate America!


I'm not really certain what you're saying here. Are you saying that
tomorrow is Independence Day?

Installfest is tomorrow. Independence Day is next week.

ciao,

der.hans
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Re: Canceled: [Invitation] Installfest @ Monthly at 10am on the last Saturday (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us)

2009-06-26 Thread Lisa Kachold

Yea, it's Independence Day, when people can actually be there, because
they aren't a slave to Corporate America!

http://blip.fm/~8wf6v Working Class Hero Lennon

On 6/26/09, der.hans  wrote:
> Am 26. Jun, 2009 schwätzte Phoenix Linux User's Group so:
>
> moin moin Alexander,
>
> why are you cancelling the Installfest? We have a bunch of people planning
> on being there.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
>
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Re: Canceled: [Invitation] Installfest @ Monthly at 10am on the last Saturday (plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us)

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Am 26. Jun, 2009 schwätzte Phoenix Linux User's Group so:

moin moin Alexander,

why are you cancelling the Installfest? We have a bunch of people planning
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Re: OT: Match.com's Message System Exposes Private "Outside" Email Addresses - Class Action Suit

2009-06-26 Thread Lisa Kachold

If you would like to join the class action suit email:
matchdotcomclassact...@gmail.com

Which is Nora Hart @ http://treulaw.com/index.html

On 6/26/09, Lisa Kachold  wrote:
> See Article:
>
> Match.com Lawsuit Update, And Thoughts
>
> Norah hart lawyer OPW -- June 22 -- OPW had a chat with Norah Hart,
> the attorney representing Sean McGinn, the 'cuddly but toned' man who
> filed a recent lawsuit against Match.com. This is the lawsuit that
> says Match.com misleads consumers about potential matches with
> inactive members. It is Hart’s assertion that “Match defrauds the
> consumer of their time and personal investment every time a person
> pays Match’s subscription fee and writes to a member who won’t have
> the ability to read what they wrote or see their profile.”
>
> The one main thing that they seem to be pinning the case on is the
> fact that when you look at a profile, you cannot tell if a person is a
> subscriber or a free member. You also cannot tell how long its been
> since they’ve logged onto the site beyond three weeks. It is this
> practice that they want to go after Match.com for. Should they win,
> this would have a significant impact on every dating site that doesn’t
> list subscriber status or caps activity reporting on their members at
> three weeks or so.
>
> Norah Hart contends that, “When a subscriber cancels their
> subscription, their profile continues to appear to be that of an
> active subscriber. Nothing indicates to the viewer their limited
> access to read e-mails or respond to them.”
>
> The problem with this argument is that just because someone cancels
> their paid subscription to a site, it does not mean that they are
> canceling their membership. They might be paring back their
> involvement in the site because they are evaluating a new
> relationship. They may just be taking a month off the subscription
> because they want to save money. It also does not take into account
> winking, which is a free feature on Match for all members, regardless
> of paid status.
>
> Internet dating is like fishing.  Those with paid memberships just
> cast out further and more frequently. Those with idle unpaid
> memberships are waiting for the big fish.  The question is, should the
> dating site identify the pro fishermen from the amateurs?  I think the
> amateur fisherman would rather keep their hooks in the water. The
> fish, meanwhile, would want to see when someone last logged in. That's
> the best indicator of activity and the potential to respond. Still, is
> 3 weeks long enough?  How about 3 months? Anyone who hasn't been
> active in 3 months would be very unlikely to respond.
>
> Hart goes on to contend that her client is, “The perfect example of a
> man who is really attractive, extremely eligible and gainfully
> employed. He’s writing to people and hears nothing back from them. Is
> that because they’re not interested? That’s highly unlikely.”
>
> What she isn’t taking into account is that there could be numerous
> factors contributing to his failure on the dating site. His photo,
> profile, what he says in his emails, and even his dating strategy
> could be letting him down.
>
> As Hart is seeking a Jury trial, it will all come down to what the
> people decide and how strong Sean McGinn’s claims of anguish can sway
> them. Of course, the argument may be diluted by the fact that he did
> eventually find his girlfriend on match.com according to a recent
> report on Fox News.
>
> From:
> http://www.onlinepersonalswatch.com/news/2009/06/matchcom-lawsuit-update-and-thoughts.html
>
>
> On 6/26/09, Bob Elzer  wrote:
>> Was it Match.com
>>
>> LOL
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of
>> Stephen
>> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:51 AM
>> To: Main PLUG discussion list
>> Subject: Re: OT: Match.com's Message System Exposes Private "Outside"
>> Email
>> Addresses
>>
>> Hey i used to be Tech support and very competent... then the incompetent
>> company fell apart... its still there but a disaster of a company.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:48 AM,
>> kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
> if actually READ by a competent person would tell the tale ...
>>> C'mon, you're kidding us, are you?
>>> "competent person" in "technical support" of "Corporate America" is
>>> just an overblown fairy tale...
>>> ;-)
>>> ET
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
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Re: OT: Match.com's Message System Exposes Private "Outside" Email Addresses

2009-06-26 Thread Lisa Kachold

See Article:

Match.com Lawsuit Update, And Thoughts

Norah hart lawyer OPW -- June 22 -- OPW had a chat with Norah Hart,
the attorney representing Sean McGinn, the 'cuddly but toned' man who
filed a recent lawsuit against Match.com. This is the lawsuit that
says Match.com misleads consumers about potential matches with
inactive members. It is Hart’s assertion that “Match defrauds the
consumer of their time and personal investment every time a person
pays Match’s subscription fee and writes to a member who won’t have
the ability to read what they wrote or see their profile.”

The one main thing that they seem to be pinning the case on is the
fact that when you look at a profile, you cannot tell if a person is a
subscriber or a free member. You also cannot tell how long its been
since they’ve logged onto the site beyond three weeks. It is this
practice that they want to go after Match.com for. Should they win,
this would have a significant impact on every dating site that doesn’t
list subscriber status or caps activity reporting on their members at
three weeks or so.

Norah Hart contends that, “When a subscriber cancels their
subscription, their profile continues to appear to be that of an
active subscriber. Nothing indicates to the viewer their limited
access to read e-mails or respond to them.”

The problem with this argument is that just because someone cancels
their paid subscription to a site, it does not mean that they are
canceling their membership. They might be paring back their
involvement in the site because they are evaluating a new
relationship. They may just be taking a month off the subscription
because they want to save money. It also does not take into account
winking, which is a free feature on Match for all members, regardless
of paid status.

Internet dating is like fishing.  Those with paid memberships just
cast out further and more frequently. Those with idle unpaid
memberships are waiting for the big fish.  The question is, should the
dating site identify the pro fishermen from the amateurs?  I think the
amateur fisherman would rather keep their hooks in the water. The
fish, meanwhile, would want to see when someone last logged in. That's
the best indicator of activity and the potential to respond. Still, is
3 weeks long enough?  How about 3 months? Anyone who hasn't been
active in 3 months would be very unlikely to respond.

Hart goes on to contend that her client is, “The perfect example of a
man who is really attractive, extremely eligible and gainfully
employed. He’s writing to people and hears nothing back from them. Is
that because they’re not interested? That’s highly unlikely.”

What she isn’t taking into account is that there could be numerous
factors contributing to his failure on the dating site. His photo,
profile, what he says in his emails, and even his dating strategy
could be letting him down.

As Hart is seeking a Jury trial, it will all come down to what the
people decide and how strong Sean McGinn’s claims of anguish can sway
them. Of course, the argument may be diluted by the fact that he did
eventually find his girlfriend on match.com according to a recent
report on Fox News.

From:  
http://www.onlinepersonalswatch.com/news/2009/06/matchcom-lawsuit-update-and-thoughts.html

On 6/26/09, Bob Elzer  wrote:
> Was it Match.com
>
> LOL
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:51 AM
> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> Subject: Re: OT: Match.com's Message System Exposes Private "Outside" Email
> Addresses
>
> Hey i used to be Tech support and very competent... then the incompetent
> company fell apart... its still there but a disaster of a company.
>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:48 AM,
> kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
 if actually READ by a competent person would tell the tale ...
>> C'mon, you're kidding us, are you?
>> "competent person" in "technical support" of "Corporate America" is
>> just an overblown fairy tale...
>> ;-)
>> ET
>>
>>
>
>
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RE: OT: Match.com's Message System Exposes Private "Outside" Email Addresses

2009-06-26 Thread Bob Elzer

Was it Match.com

LOL
 

-Original Message-
From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:51 AM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: OT: Match.com's Message System Exposes Private "Outside" Email
Addresses

Hey i used to be Tech support and very competent... then the incompetent
company fell apart... its still there but a disaster of a company.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:48 AM,
kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
>>> if actually READ by a competent person would tell the tale ...
> C'mon, you're kidding us, are you?
> "competent person" in "technical support" of "Corporate America" is 
> just an overblown fairy tale...
> ;-)
> ET
>
>


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Re: OT: Match.com's Message System Exposes Private "Outside" Email Addresses

2009-06-26 Thread Lisa Kachold

I think everyone should be required to post a demotivator for each bad
online job they have had.

http://diy.despair.com

On 6/26/09, kitepi...@kitepilot.com  wrote:
> You made my point:
> "competent person", "technical support" and "Corporate America" don't go
> together in a meaningful sentence!   ;-)
> ET
>
>
> Stephen writes:
>
>> Hey i used to be Tech support and very competent... then the
>> incompetent company fell apart... its still there but a disaster of a
>> company.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:48 AM,
>> kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
> if actually READ by a competent person would tell the tale ...
>>> C'mon, you're kidding us, are you?
>>> "competent person" in "technical support" of "Corporate America" is just
>>> an
>>> overblown fairy tale...
>>> ;-)
>>> ET
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
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Re: OT: Match.com's Message System Exposes Private "Outside" Email Addresses

2009-06-26 Thread kitepi...@kitepilot.com

You made my point:
"competent person", "technical support" and "Corporate America" don't go 
together in a meaningful sentence!   ;-)
ET 


Stephen writes: 

> Hey i used to be Tech support and very competent... then the
> incompetent company fell apart... its still there but a disaster of a
> company. 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:48 AM,
> kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
 if actually READ by a competent person would tell the tale ...
>> C'mon, you're kidding us, are you?
>> "competent person" in "technical support" of "Corporate America" is just an
>> overblown fairy tale...
>> ;-)
>> ET 
>>
>>
>  
> 
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Re: OT: Match.com's Message System Exposes Private "Outside" Email Addresses

2009-06-26 Thread Stephen

Hey i used to be Tech support and very competent... then the
incompetent company fell apart... its still there but a disaster of a
company.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:48 AM,
kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
>>> if actually READ by a competent person would tell the tale ...
> C'mon, you're kidding us, are you?
> "competent person" in "technical support" of "Corporate America" is just an
> overblown fairy tale...
> ;-)
> ET
>
>


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Re: OT: Match.com's Message System Exposes Private "Outside" Email Addresses

2009-06-26 Thread Stephen

YAY for canned responses

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> Match responds with two "support" attempts, but of course the original
> screenshot graphic, if actually READ by a competent person would tell
> the tale instantly.
>
> Description:
> Entered on 06/26/2009 at 07:49:23 by Winifer C.:
> Dear Member,
>
> Thank you for contacting Match.com regarding anonymous emailing.
>
> Match.com preserves your privacy by directing your emails through our
> double-blind system.  Our exclusive technology strips your real email
> address and replaces it with your username and the talkmatch domain
> (usern...@talkmatch.com). Then the system forwards your messages to
> the members you're emailing.
>
> One way to contact members is by clicking the Email Him/Her link in
> their profiles.
>
> You can also send email messages from your personal registered email
> account to members with whom you have previously corresponded through
> the Match.com site.  Once logged into your personal email account
> (i.e., hotmail, yahoo, etc.), please follow these steps:
>
> 1. Compose a new message
> 2. In the "To" field, type the member's username and add
> @talkmatch.com (i.e., jane...@talkmatch.com)
> 3. Send the message
>
> Before sending the email, please review the following tips protect your 
> privacy:
> * Remove any mention of your email address from the body of your message.
> * Remove any automatic signature at the end of your email.
> * Do not use Cc: or Bcc:
> * Note that our double-blind email system strips away your personal
> email address and it will NOT appear in the “From” line.
>
> For immediate answers to most common questions, please visit our help
> section at: http://www.match.com/matchus/help/helpdtl.aspx?sec=42&lid=108.
>
> For any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact us. We
> wish you the best of luck in finding your match!
>
> Match.com Customer Care
> Winifer C.
>
>
> Screenshot: 
> http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/match_shows_outside_email.jpg
>
>
> http://www.match.com/matchus/help/contactus.aspx?ct=1&lid=7
>
> How are we doing? Please take a minute to complete the following
> survey on our email response and your match.com experience. Please
> double click on the link below to launch the survey.
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=WB6Y1ZQWNPONI_2bVTPC3Jvw_3d_3d
>
> Reply | Reply to all | Forward | Print | Delete | Show original
>
>
>
> On 6/25/09, Stephen  wrote:
>> yet another strike against match.com in my book.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Lisa Kachold
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Match.com, the popular paid online "secure" dating site, was found to
>>> reveal private email addresses during messaging.
>>> 
>>> Email Reply headers in the Messages reading pane reveal the "outside"
>>> email of the dating parties to each other.  So my reading pane shows
>>> clearly at the top of an email Match.com "Message" thread:
>>> 
>>> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:18:23 -0500
>>> From: obno...@talkmatch.com
>>> To: paira...@hotmail.com
>>> Subject: Match.com Message: RE: Itsadate
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, I "obno...@talkmatch" (obfuscated email Match.com only email
>>> address) would immediately know that a man identified only by his
>>> Match.com screen name, was really "paira...@hotmail.com".  And
>>> alternately he would also be able to see my outside email address in
>>> his Messages reading pane.
>>> 
>>> While at the same time, the bottom of the email Match.com "Message"
>>> thread their application tacks on a nice DISCLAIMER:
>>> 
>>> --start--
>>> Important tips: Protect your privacy
>>>
>>> Our email system strips away your real email address so that the
>>> recipient will NOT see it in the
>>> From: line; however, you must...
>>>        • Remove any mention of your email address from the body of your
>>> message.
>>> • Remove or turn off any automatic signature at the end of your email.
>>> • Avoid using Cc: or Bcc: to help protect your identity.
>>> If you receive an email that you find offensive or contains
>>> advertisements for products or services other than Match.com, please
>>> forward the message immediately to ab...@cc.match.com.
>>> If you no longer wish to receive communication from this person you
>>> can block this user from further contact here.
>>>
>>>
>>> DISCLAIMER
>>> Match.com does not screen private email between members, nor are we
>>> liable for the content of these messages. All members are bound by the
>>> Match.com Service Agreement.
>>>
>>> ---end
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Match.com was informed on June 25, 2009 with screenshots.  They have
>>> yet to respond to this serious security application layer issue.
>>>
>>> Screenshot:
>>> http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/match_shows_outside_email.jpg
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Re: OT: Match.com's Message System Exposes Private "Outside" Email Addresses

2009-06-26 Thread Eric Cope

I'd take a minute and tell them how their doing on their survey.
Eric

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> Match responds with two "support" attempts, but of course the original
> screenshot graphic, if actually READ by a competent person would tell
> the tale instantly.
>
> Description:
> Entered on 06/26/2009 at 07:49:23 by Winifer C.:
> Dear Member,
>
> Thank you for contacting Match.com regarding anonymous emailing.
>
> Match.com preserves your privacy by directing your emails through our
> double-blind system.  Our exclusive technology strips your real email
> address and replaces it with your username and the talkmatch domain
> (usern...@talkmatch.com). Then the system forwards your messages to
> the members you're emailing.
>
> One way to contact members is by clicking the Email Him/Her link in
> their profiles.
>
> You can also send email messages from your personal registered email
> account to members with whom you have previously corresponded through
> the Match.com site.  Once logged into your personal email account
> (i.e., hotmail, yahoo, etc.), please follow these steps:
>
> 1. Compose a new message
> 2. In the "To" field, type the member's username and add
> @talkmatch.com (i.e., jane...@talkmatch.com)
> 3. Send the message
>
> Before sending the email, please review the following tips protect your
> privacy:
> * Remove any mention of your email address from the body of your message.
> * Remove any automatic signature at the end of your email.
> * Do not use Cc: or Bcc:
> * Note that our double-blind email system strips away your personal
> email address and it will NOT appear in the “From” line.
>
> For immediate answers to most common questions, please visit our help
> section at: http://www.match.com/matchus/help/helpdtl.aspx?sec=42&lid=108.
>
> For any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact us. We
> wish you the best of luck in finding your match!
>
> Match.com Customer Care
> Winifer C.
>
>
> Screenshot:
> http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/match_shows_outside_email.jpg
>
>
> http://www.match.com/matchus/help/contactus.aspx?ct=1&lid=7
>
> How are we doing? Please take a minute to complete the following
> survey on our email response and your match.com experience. Please
> double click on the link below to launch the survey.
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=WB6Y1ZQWNPONI_2bVTPC3Jvw_3d_3d
>
> Reply | Reply to all | Forward | Print | Delete | Show original
>
>
>
> On 6/25/09, Stephen  wrote:
> > yet another strike against match.com in my book.
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Lisa Kachold
> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Match.com, the popular paid online "secure" dating site, was found to
> >> reveal private email addresses during messaging.
> >> 
> >> Email Reply headers in the Messages reading pane reveal the "outside"
> >> email of the dating parties to each other.  So my reading pane shows
> >> clearly at the top of an email Match.com "Message" thread:
> >> 
> >> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:18:23 -0500
> >> From: obno...@talkmatch.com
> >> To: paira...@hotmail.com
> >> Subject: Match.com Message: RE: Itsadate
> >> 
> >> 
> >> So, I "obno...@talkmatch" (obfuscated email Match.com only email
> >> address) would immediately know that a man identified only by his
> >> Match.com screen name, was really "paira...@hotmail.com".  And
> >> alternately he would also be able to see my outside email address in
> >> his Messages reading pane.
> >> 
> >> While at the same time, the bottom of the email Match.com "Message"
> >> thread their application tacks on a nice DISCLAIMER:
> >> 
> >> --start--
> >> Important tips: Protect your privacy
> >>
> >> Our email system strips away your real email address so that the
> >> recipient will NOT see it in the
> >> From: line; however, you must...
> >>• Remove any mention of your email address from the body of your
> >> message.
> >> • Remove or turn off any automatic signature at the end of your email.
> >> • Avoid using Cc: or Bcc: to help protect your identity.
> >> If you receive an email that you find offensive or contains
> >> advertisements for products or services other than Match.com, please
> >> forward the message immediately to ab...@cc.match.com.
> >> If you no longer wish to receive communication from this person you
> >> can block this user from further contact here.
> >>
> >>
> >> DISCLAIMER
> >> Match.com does not screen private email between members, nor are we
> >> liable for the content of these messages. All members are bound by the
> >> Match.com Service Agreement.
> >>
> >> ---end
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Match.com was informed on June 25, 2009 with screenshots.  They have
> >> yet to respond to this serious security application layer issue.
> >>
> >> Screenshot:
> >> http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/match_shows_outside_email.jpg
> >> --
> >> (503)754-4452 tribe.obnosis.com
> >> scientology.obnosis.com
> >> plug.obnosis.com
> >>

Re: OT: Match.com's Message System Exposes Private "Outside" Email Addresses

2009-06-26 Thread kitepi...@kitepilot.com

>> if actually READ by a competent person would tell the tale ...
C'mon, you're kidding us, are you?
"competent person" in "technical support" of "Corporate America" is just an 
overblown fairy tale...
;-)
ET 

 


Lisa Kachold writes: 

> Match responds with two "support" attempts, but of course the original
> screenshot graphic, if actually READ by a competent person would tell
> the tale instantly. 
> 
> Description:
> Entered on 06/26/2009 at 07:49:23 by Winifer C.:
> Dear Member, 
> 
> Thank you for contacting Match.com regarding anonymous emailing. 
> 
> Match.com preserves your privacy by directing your emails through our
> double-blind system.  Our exclusive technology strips your real email
> address and replaces it with your username and the talkmatch domain
> (usern...@talkmatch.com). Then the system forwards your messages to
> the members you're emailing. 
> 
> One way to contact members is by clicking the Email Him/Her link in
> their profiles. 
> 
> You can also send email messages from your personal registered email
> account to members with whom you have previously corresponded through
> the Match.com site.  Once logged into your personal email account
> (i.e., hotmail, yahoo, etc.), please follow these steps: 
> 
> 1. Compose a new message
> 2. In the "To" field, type the member's username and add
> @talkmatch.com (i.e., jane...@talkmatch.com)
> 3. Send the message 
> 
> Before sending the email, please review the following tips protect your 
> privacy:
> * Remove any mention of your email address from the body of your message.
> * Remove any automatic signature at the end of your email.
> * Do not use Cc: or Bcc:
> * Note that our double-blind email system strips away your personal
> email address and it will NOT appear in the “From” line. 
> 
> For immediate answers to most common questions, please visit our help
> section at: http://www.match.com/matchus/help/helpdtl.aspx?sec=42&lid=108. 
> 
> For any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact us. We
> wish you the best of luck in finding your match! 
> 
> Match.com Customer Care
> Winifer C. 
> 
> 
> Screenshot: 
> http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/match_shows_outside_email.jpg 
> 
> 
> http://www.match.com/matchus/help/contactus.aspx?ct=1&lid=7 
> 
> How are we doing? Please take a minute to complete the following
> survey on our email response and your match.com experience. Please
> double click on the link below to launch the survey.
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=WB6Y1ZQWNPONI_2bVTPC3Jvw_3d_3d 
> 
> Reply | Reply to all | Forward | Print | Delete | Show original 
> 
>  
> 
> On 6/25/09, Stephen  wrote:
>> yet another strike against match.com in my book. 
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Lisa Kachold
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Match.com, the popular paid online "secure" dating site, was found to
>>> reveal private email addresses during messaging.
>>> 
>>> Email Reply headers in the Messages reading pane reveal the "outside"
>>> email of the dating parties to each other.  So my reading pane shows
>>> clearly at the top of an email Match.com "Message" thread:
>>> 
>>> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:18:23 -0500
>>> From: obno...@talkmatch.com
>>> To: paira...@hotmail.com
>>> Subject: Match.com Message: RE: Itsadate
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, I "obno...@talkmatch" (obfuscated email Match.com only email
>>> address) would immediately know that a man identified only by his
>>> Match.com screen name, was really "paira...@hotmail.com".  And
>>> alternately he would also be able to see my outside email address in
>>> his Messages reading pane.
>>> 
>>> While at the same time, the bottom of the email Match.com "Message"
>>> thread their application tacks on a nice DISCLAIMER:
>>> 
>>> --start--
>>> Important tips: Protect your privacy 
>>>
>>> Our email system strips away your real email address so that the
>>> recipient will NOT see it in the
>>> From: line; however, you must...
>>>        • Remove any mention of your email address from the body of your
>>> message.
>>> • Remove or turn off any automatic signature at the end of your email.
>>> • Avoid using Cc: or Bcc: to help protect your identity.
>>> If you receive an email that you find offensive or contains
>>> advertisements for products or services other than Match.com, please
>>> forward the message immediately to ab...@cc.match.com.
>>> If you no longer wish to receive communication from this person you
>>> can block this user from further contact here. 
>>>
>>>
>>> DISCLAIMER
>>> Match.com does not screen private email between members, nor are we
>>> liable for the content of these messages. All members are bound by the
>>> Match.com Service Agreement. 
>>>
>>> ---end
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Match.com was informed on June 25, 2009 with screenshots.  They have
>>> yet to respond to this serious security application layer issue. 
>>>
>>> Screenshot:
>>> http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/match_shows_outside_email.jpg
>>> --
>>> (503)754-4452 tribe.obnosis.com
>>> scie

OT: Client Needs Help

2009-06-26 Thread Eric Cope

Hello all,
I have a client that is having a system issue. When they turn on their
computer, it says, "insert system disc". I can't help them until the middle
of next week and they need their computer sooner than that. They are located
at 31st ave and Thomas. If anyone is interested in providing them support,
please let me know, preferably by phone (602-568-2095) and I will provide
you their phone number. This is a paying gig.

Thank you.

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Re: OT: Match.com's Message System Exposes Private "Outside" Email Addresses

2009-06-26 Thread Lisa Kachold

Match responds with two "support" attempts, but of course the original
screenshot graphic, if actually READ by a competent person would tell
the tale instantly.

Description:
Entered on 06/26/2009 at 07:49:23 by Winifer C.:
Dear Member,

Thank you for contacting Match.com regarding anonymous emailing.

Match.com preserves your privacy by directing your emails through our
double-blind system.  Our exclusive technology strips your real email
address and replaces it with your username and the talkmatch domain
(usern...@talkmatch.com). Then the system forwards your messages to
the members you're emailing.

One way to contact members is by clicking the Email Him/Her link in
their profiles.

You can also send email messages from your personal registered email
account to members with whom you have previously corresponded through
the Match.com site.  Once logged into your personal email account
(i.e., hotmail, yahoo, etc.), please follow these steps:

1. Compose a new message
2. In the "To" field, type the member's username and add
@talkmatch.com (i.e., jane...@talkmatch.com)
3. Send the message

Before sending the email, please review the following tips protect your privacy:
* Remove any mention of your email address from the body of your message.
* Remove any automatic signature at the end of your email.
* Do not use Cc: or Bcc:
* Note that our double-blind email system strips away your personal
email address and it will NOT appear in the “From” line.

For immediate answers to most common questions, please visit our help
section at: http://www.match.com/matchus/help/helpdtl.aspx?sec=42&lid=108.

For any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact us. We
wish you the best of luck in finding your match!

Match.com Customer Care
Winifer C.

Screenshot: http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/match_shows_outside_email.jpg

http://www.match.com/matchus/help/contactus.aspx?ct=1&lid=7

How are we doing? Please take a minute to complete the following
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On 6/25/09, Stephen  wrote:
> yet another strike against match.com in my book.
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Lisa Kachold
> wrote:
>> 
>> Match.com, the popular paid online "secure" dating site, was found to
>> reveal private email addresses during messaging.
>> 
>> Email Reply headers in the Messages reading pane reveal the "outside"
>> email of the dating parties to each other.  So my reading pane shows
>> clearly at the top of an email Match.com "Message" thread:
>> 
>> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:18:23 -0500
>> From: obno...@talkmatch.com
>> To: paira...@hotmail.com
>> Subject: Match.com Message: RE: Itsadate
>> 
>> 
>> So, I "obno...@talkmatch" (obfuscated email Match.com only email
>> address) would immediately know that a man identified only by his
>> Match.com screen name, was really "paira...@hotmail.com".  And
>> alternately he would also be able to see my outside email address in
>> his Messages reading pane.
>> 
>> While at the same time, the bottom of the email Match.com "Message"
>> thread their application tacks on a nice DISCLAIMER:
>> 
>> --start--
>> Important tips: Protect your privacy
>>
>> Our email system strips away your real email address so that the
>> recipient will NOT see it in the
>> From: line; however, you must...
>>        • Remove any mention of your email address from the body of your
>> message.
>> • Remove or turn off any automatic signature at the end of your email.
>> • Avoid using Cc: or Bcc: to help protect your identity.
>> If you receive an email that you find offensive or contains
>> advertisements for products or services other than Match.com, please
>> forward the message immediately to ab...@cc.match.com.
>> If you no longer wish to receive communication from this person you
>> can block this user from further contact here.
>>
>>
>> DISCLAIMER
>> Match.com does not screen private email between members, nor are we
>> liable for the content of these messages. All members are bound by the
>> Match.com Service Agreement.
>>
>> ---end
>> 
>> 
>> Match.com was informed on June 25, 2009 with screenshots.  They have
>> yet to respond to this serious security application layer issue.
>>
>> Screenshot:
>> http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/match_shows_outside_email.jpg
>> --
>> (503)754-4452 tribe.obnosis.com
>> scientology.obnosis.com
>> plug.obnosis.com
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Re: Fedora 11 IcedTea/ javaws errors

2009-06-26 Thread Joshua Zeidner

  Im curious to know what broke exactly...  jmz

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Shawn Badger wrote:
> I'm trying to run the CommVault "Galaxy Commcell Console" under Fedora 11,
> it worked in the beta version but not in the release version under openjdk.
> That is just on of the "enterprise" apps that doesn't work.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Joseph Sinclair 
> wrote:
>>
>> OpenJDK is pretty complete.  I haven't been able to break it yet.
>>
>> I don't run applets or javaws often, but haven't had trouble with either.
>>
>> What you're seeing is a configuration error related to packaging.  There's
>> a missing property setting or the property setting is incorrect.
>>
>> Read through
>> http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/guides/deployment/deployment-guide/properties.html
>> where the configuration options for
>> javaws are described, and check your system and/or user config files to be
>> sure they're pointing to reasonable locations.
>> most likely the deployment.user.cachedir property is misconfigured or it's
>> target directory is missing.
>>
>> Shawn Badger wrote:
>> >  I Know , but that is what come with Fedora. I have sun's java installed
>> > as
>> > well, but out of the box it wants to use the openjdk stuff.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Joshua Zeidner 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>  with IcedTea and OpenJDK youre generally off the beaten path.
>> >> prepare to do some bushwacking.  I would be interested to know if
>> >> anyone had any major successes with it.
>> >>
>> >>  -jmz
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Shawn Badger
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> I am having problems getting IcedTea to work. I think they are
>> >>> directly
>> >>> related to the error I get in with javaws not running. Here is my
>> >>> error
>> >> with
>> >>> javaws:
>> >>>
>> >>> [shaw...@lkppr90l ~]$
>> >> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0/jre/bin/javaws
>> >>> netx: No base directory (contains cache and other data)
>> >>> [shaw...@lkppr90l ~]$
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I see this error no matter what options I pass and Google hasn't
>> >>> returned
>> >>> anything usefull this time.
>> >>>
>> >>> IcedTea just tells me to try and save the file localy and then run it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Has anyone else seen this issue?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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Re: Fedora 11 IcedTea/ javaws errors

2009-06-26 Thread Shawn Badger

I'm trying to run the CommVault "Galaxy Commcell Console" under Fedora 11,
it worked in the beta version but not in the release version under openjdk.
That is just on of the "enterprise" apps that doesn't work.



On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Joseph Sinclair
wrote:

> OpenJDK is pretty complete.  I haven't been able to break it yet.
>
> I don't run applets or javaws often, but haven't had trouble with either.
>
> What you're seeing is a configuration error related to packaging.  There's
> a missing property setting or the property setting is incorrect.
>
> Read through
> http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/guides/deployment/deployment-guide/properties.htmlwhere
>  the configuration options for
> javaws are described, and check your system and/or user config files to be
> sure they're pointing to reasonable locations.
> most likely the deployment.user.cachedir property is misconfigured or it's
> target directory is missing.
>
> Shawn Badger wrote:
> >  I Know , but that is what come with Fedora. I have sun's java installed
> as
> > well, but out of the box it wants to use the openjdk stuff.
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Joshua Zeidner 
> wrote:
> >
> >>  with IcedTea and OpenJDK youre generally off the beaten path.
> >> prepare to do some bushwacking.  I would be interested to know if
> >> anyone had any major successes with it.
> >>
> >>  -jmz
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Shawn Badger
> >> wrote:
> >>> I am having problems getting IcedTea to work. I think they are directly
> >>> related to the error I get in with javaws not running. Here is my error
> >> with
> >>> javaws:
> >>>
> >>> [shaw...@lkppr90l ~]$
> >> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0/jre/bin/javaws
> >>> netx: No base directory (contains cache and other data)
> >>> [shaw...@lkppr90l ~]$
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I see this error no matter what options I pass and Google hasn't
> returned
> >>> anything usefull this time.
> >>>
> >>> IcedTea just tells me to try and save the file localy and then run it.
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone else seen this issue?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: Fedora 11 IcedTea/ javaws errors

2009-06-26 Thread Joshua Zeidner

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Craig White wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 07:53 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Francis Earl wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 15:19 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
>> >> with IcedTea and OpenJDK youre generally off the beaten path.
>> >> prepare to do some bushwacking.  I would be interested to know if
>> >> anyone had any major successes with it.
>> >>
>> >>  -jmz
>> >
>> > For me, it is fully functional, with the covet that I have to change a
>> > setting in Yahoo Games applets... if you search bugzilla, there is a
>> > BUNCH of work arounds.
>>
>>   Thats good to hear.  Im more interested to know if anyone has run
>> any serious server-side 'enterprise' applications on it.  but, Thanks
>> for the info!  -jmz
> 
> I think that would depend upon what one calls serious server-side
> 'enterprise' applications.

  It sure would Craig, but I reckon you have far more time to discuss
these points than me. :)

  -jmz

>
> Out of the box, RHEL supports open-jdk and runs tomcat5 with it. It
> seems easy enough to switch it to Sun's jdk.
>
> They also have a deal with Sun and Sun's version of java is included on
> the group of disks. I would suspect that someone who is running "serious
> server-side 'enterprise' applications" is more likely to run a supported
> OS with Sun's version of java because it is supported.
>
> Craig
>
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Re: Fedora 11 IcedTea/ javaws errors

2009-06-26 Thread Craig White

On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 07:53 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Francis Earl wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 15:19 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> >> with IcedTea and OpenJDK youre generally off the beaten path.
> >> prepare to do some bushwacking.  I would be interested to know if
> >> anyone had any major successes with it.
> >>
> >>  -jmz
> >
> > For me, it is fully functional, with the covet that I have to change a
> > setting in Yahoo Games applets... if you search bugzilla, there is a
> > BUNCH of work arounds.
> 
>   Thats good to hear.  Im more interested to know if anyone has run
> any serious server-side 'enterprise' applications on it.  but, Thanks
> for the info!  -jmz

I think that would depend upon what one calls serious server-side
'enterprise' applications.

Out of the box, RHEL supports open-jdk and runs tomcat5 with it. It
seems easy enough to switch it to Sun's jdk.

They also have a deal with Sun and Sun's version of java is included on
the group of disks. I would suspect that someone who is running "serious
server-side 'enterprise' applications" is more likely to run a supported
OS with Sun's version of java because it is supported.

Craig

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Re: Fedora 11 IcedTea/ javaws errors

2009-06-26 Thread Joshua Zeidner

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Francis Earl wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 15:19 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
>> with IcedTea and OpenJDK youre generally off the beaten path.
>> prepare to do some bushwacking.  I would be interested to know if
>> anyone had any major successes with it.
>>
>>  -jmz
>
> For me, it is fully functional, with the covet that I have to change a
> setting in Yahoo Games applets... if you search bugzilla, there is a
> BUNCH of work arounds.

  Thats good to hear.  Im more interested to know if anyone has run
any serious server-side 'enterprise' applications on it.  but, Thanks
for the info!  -jmz


>
> The only remaining issue for me is the lack of fontconfig support, so
> fonts are HORRIBLE.
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