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Re: OT: How to send email that is both text-only and/or html?
I always send both... It's 2009, plain text was out in 1985 :) I prefer using firefox to gopher, media mail to text mail, and audio AND video over just audio. There is however a point when there's too much of a good thing. I have a very low tolerance to 'elf yourself' and other such media emails. JD On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Charles Jones charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote: When you send email with the Thunderbird mail client, it gives you the option of sending it text only, or both text and html. -Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Josef Lowder j...@actionline.com wrote: . Is there a way to send an email message that is both text-only and/or html? While I totally agree with keeping most email text only, and I very rarely use html ... it is nice to send a Christmas letter with embedded photos, and some nice holiday graphics. So what would be the best way to do that and still have a text-only version delivered to friends and family with dial-up only connections for whom emails with lots of photos might be a problem? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- JD Austin Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC j...@twingeckos.com Voice: 480.288.8195x201 Fax: 480.406.6753 http://www.twingeckos.com In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe. - Carl Saganhttp://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/randomquotes/%7E3/G2PjcLJ0ONI/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How to send email that is both text-only and/or html?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:00 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: I always send both... It's 2009, plain text was out in 1985 :) And html allows you to send the gift that keeps on giving: http://www.technicalinfo.net/papers/CSS.html I prefer using firefox to gopher, media mail to text mail, and audio AND video over just audio. There is however a point when there's too much of a good thing. I have a very low tolerance to 'elf yourself' and other such media emails. JD On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Charles Jones charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote: When you send email with the Thunderbird mail client, it gives you the option of sending it text only, or both text and html. -Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Josef Lowder j...@actionline.com wrote: . Is there a way to send an email message that is both text-only and/or html? While I totally agree with keeping most email text only, and I very rarely use html ... it is nice to send a Christmas letter with embedded photos, and some nice holiday graphics. So what would be the best way to do that and still have a text-only version delivered to friends and family with dial-up only connections for whom emails with lots of photos might be a problem? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- JD Austin Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC j...@twingeckos.com Voice: 480.288.8195x201 Fax: 480.406.6753 http://www.twingeckos.com In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe. - Carl Saganhttp://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/randomquotes/%7E3/G2PjcLJ0ONI/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com Only the dead have seen the end of war. -Plato --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How to send email that is both text-only and/or html?
Lisa Kachold wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:00 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com mailto:j...@twingeckos.com wrote: I always send both... It's 2009, plain text was out in 1985 :) And html allows you to send the gift that keeps on giving: http://www.technicalinfo.net/papers/CSS.html Except XSS is specific to HTTP or Javascript, not strictly HTML. Email clients (with exceptions, old versions of Outlook for one example) usually either cannot load external content or won't do it without permission. Austin Wright. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How to send email that is both text-only and/or html?
I think some of the standards have gone way overboard.. some things just don't need scripting - LIKE PDFs. As soon as you make it programmable you make it a medium for malware. The real issue is the paper bag security model that Microsuck has. JD On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:00 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: I always send both... It's 2009, plain text was out in 1985 :) And html allows you to send the gift that keeps on giving: http://www.technicalinfo.net/papers/CSS.html I prefer using firefox to gopher, media mail to text mail, and audio AND video over just audio. There is however a point when there's too much of a good thing. I have a very low tolerance to 'elf yourself' and other such media emails. JD On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Charles Jones charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote: When you send email with the Thunderbird mail client, it gives you the option of sending it text only, or both text and html. -Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Josef Lowder j...@actionline.comwrote: . Is there a way to send an email message that is both text-only and/or html? While I totally agree with keeping most email text only, and I very rarely use html ... it is nice to send a Christmas letter with embedded photos, and some nice holiday graphics. So what would be the best way to do that and still have a text-only version delivered to friends and family with dial-up only connections for whom emails with lots of photos might be a problem? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- JD Austin Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC j...@twingeckos.com Voice: 480.288.8195x201 Fax: 480.406.6753 http://www.twingeckos.com In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe. - Carl Saganhttp://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/randomquotes/%7E3/G2PjcLJ0ONI/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com Only the dead have seen the end of war. -Plato --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- JD Austin Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC j...@twingeckos.com Voice: 480.288.8195x201 Fax: 480.406.6753 http://www.twingeckos.com It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. - J Krishnamurtihttp://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/randomquotes/%7E3/G2PjcLJ0ONI/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How to send email that is both text-only and/or html?
Furthermore, it dos this for addressees with unknown preferences. The Thunderbird Address book lets you specify text/html/unknown as a preference for each person in your address book if you are so inclined. It also has a checkbox for allowing remote images in the email (don't do it to me BTW). I do not know what happens when you send an email to multiple people and you have them set to different preferences in the address book. Larry On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Charles Jones charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote: When you send email with the Thunderbird mail client, it gives you the option of sending it text only, or both text and html. -Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Josef Lowder j...@actionline.com wrote: . Is there a way to send an email message that is both text-only and/or html? While I totally agree with keeping most email text only, and I very rarely use html ... it is nice to send a Christmas letter with embedded photos, and some nice holiday graphics. So what would be the best way to do that and still have a text-only version delivered to friends and family with dial-up only connections for whom emails with lots of photos might be a problem? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How to send email that is both text-only and/or html?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Austin William Wright diamondma...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Lisa Kachold wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:00 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com mailto:j...@twingeckos.com wrote: I always send both... It's 2009, plain text was out in 1985 :) And html allows you to send the gift that keeps on giving: http://www.technicalinfo.net/papers/CSS.html Except XSS is specific to HTTP or Javascript, not strictly HTML. Email clients (with exceptions, old versions of Outlook for one example) usually either cannot load external content or won't do it without permission. Correct, which is the subject of this thread! I must send out my Xmas card How to this year again. -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com Only the dead have seen the end of war. -Plato --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How to send email that is both text-only and/or html?
Correction: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: Here's a couple of better dissections of the subject: http://knol.google.com/k/a-short-history-of-cross-site-scripting-viruses-worms# And this CSRF gmail hack (still possible in the wild I believe): http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/google-gmail-e-mail-hijack-technique/ That one was patched, this one is still active: http://darkreading.com/security/vulnerabilities/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=215800241 On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Austin William Wright diamondma...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Lisa Kachold wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:00 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com mailto:j...@twingeckos.com wrote: I always send both... It's 2009, plain text was out in 1985 :) And html allows you to send the gift that keeps on giving: http://www.technicalinfo.net/papers/CSS.html Except XSS is specific to HTTP or Javascript, not strictly HTML. Email clients (with exceptions, old versions of Outlook for one example) usually either cannot load external content or won't do it without permission. Correct, which is the subject of this thread! I must send out my Xmas card How to this year again. -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com Only the dead have seen the end of war. -Plato -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com Only the dead have seen the end of war. -Plato -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com Only the dead have seen the end of war. -Plato --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: PLUG-discuss Digest, Vol 54, Issue 15
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Great article Lisa. EVERY computer OS is vulnerable --- Yes friends including Linux! I love how advanced Firefox is on their extensions to address such areas. My general rule of thumb is if the email is from me and I know me didn't send it --- auto deleted. If someone sends me something scriptable and I don't already know about it ahead of time ---auto deleted. ALL HTML emails are -- auto deleted. Use inline or attach please. If I get an email where the first 200 emails at the top are pretty obvious -- auto deleted. On those in my contact list or more importantly in theirs and I know they have an M$ system -- I look at subject lines and previews pretty close to something fishey then --- auto deleted. I've just spent the past 2 weeks on my simple .muttrc, which includes signing/encrypting emails. Which its the 21st century NO *nix user has an excuse NOT to use it. If an imposter can't sign it they can't send email through my acccounts h, safety feature and web of trust. Yes my editor in Mutt is Vi/m. Works great, reliable and in combo with a .muttrc set up properly beats ANY mailer for speed and accuracy. Abook and When are nice additions -- check em out. VampirePenguin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.10) iEYEARECAAYFAksoH9oACgkQgRrMFNU3qOFrVQCgzCzojuXHwZIHPJm0oIQog5Q1 qxoAni0luA/1LDK0Jfz6Djx7pCnLsxtl =2HHm -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
SOT: virtualization
(SOT: somewhat off topic) I want to set up a Windows lab computer. I want to work with XP, Vista, and Win7. On an MS list it was suggested that I use virtualization rather than multiboot. I'm thinking I'd run a Linux distro natively, run FOSS virtualization software on Linux, and run the three MS OSes as guests. What is a good Linux distro? Will I need a server distribution or can I run a desktop distribution? What are FOSS choices for the virtualization software? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: SOT: virtualization
VMWARE: ESXi if you have hardware that will run it? http://www.vmware.com/products/esxi/ Vmware player is great also on whatever your dual core OS is? Existing images can be downloaded and tried http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ OpenVZ is nice also? http://wiki.openvz.org/ XEN is interesting for Windoze: http://mediakey.dk/~cc/howto-install-windows-xp-vista-on-xen/ On 12/15/09, Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com wrote: (SOT: somewhat off topic) I want to set up a Windows lab computer. I want to work with XP, Vista, and Win7. On an MS list it was suggested that I use virtualization rather than multiboot. I'm thinking I'd run a Linux distro natively, run FOSS virtualization software on Linux, and run the three MS OSes as guests. What is a good Linux distro? Will I need a server distribution or can I run a desktop distribution? What are FOSS choices for the virtualization software? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com Only the dead have seen the end of war. -Plato --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: How to send email that is both text-only and/or html?
. gm5...@gmail.com wrote: ALL HTML emails are auto deleted. Use inline or attach please. What is inline and how does one do that? (Is that a way to display images within a text email?) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to send email that is both text-only and/or html?
http://ask-leo.com/why_do_pictures_in_email_sometimes_show_up_inline_and_sometimes_as_attachments.html Theres a quick link... HTML AND RTF can be done inline. As far as one of Lisa's Click jacking thing. I use Iron for all unencrypted connections and Firefox for all encrypted. I NEVER click on links. I will copy them and paste them if they are http to the other browswer or go to Scroogle and paste them in and find their address for myself. VampirPenguin -- GNUPG validated with key 0xD537A8E1. Questionable validations please verify by phone for authenticity. RTF, TXT, LaTeX, PDF and DJVU files inline or by attachment are gladly accepted. Confidentiality guaranteed only by strong encrypted formats. Windows GNUPG Version: ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/binary/gnupg-w32cli-1.4.10b.exe Bcrypt encryption, all platforms: http://bcrypt.sourceforge.net/ Proudly made by your nearest Mutt and Vim using Linux. pgpzEeIW9xJII.pgp Description: PGP signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to send email that is both text-only and/or html?
Google's Recapta has been reverse engineered also: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/14/google_recaptcha_busted/ On 12/15/09, GK gm5...@gmail.com wrote: http://ask-leo.com/why_do_pictures_in_email_sometimes_show_up_inline_and_sometimes_as_attachments.html Theres a quick link... HTML AND RTF can be done inline. As far as one of Lisa's Click jacking thing. I use Iron for all unencrypted connections and Firefox for all encrypted. I NEVER click on links. I will copy them and paste them if they are http to the other browswer or go to Scroogle and paste them in and find their address for myself. VampirPenguin -- GNUPG validated with key 0xD537A8E1. Questionable validations please verify by phone for authenticity. RTF, TXT, LaTeX, PDF and DJVU files inline or by attachment are gladly accepted. Confidentiality guaranteed only by strong encrypted formats. Windows GNUPG Version: ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/binary/gnupg-w32cli-1.4.10b.exe Bcrypt encryption, all platforms: http://bcrypt.sourceforge.net/ Proudly made by your nearest Mutt and Vim using Linux. -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com Only the dead have seen the end of war. -Plato --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: SOT: virtualization
Trent, of the major distro's, debian 5.0 has the least troubles right now and is therefore, probably the best for your needs currently. Others like Fedora or Opensuse have package dependency problems and are a little more difficult to develop on properly. Fedora: forces you to run SELINUX regardless of whether you need it or not Opensuse: tends to run cutting edge (bleeding edge) packages and will tend to break older installs. Their upgrade system is horribly broken currently, so its not a good idea to upgrade older opensuse systems. I recently had such problems with opensuse (settings not being maintained across reboots, services failing to start, etc) that I have completely written off this community project as anywhere near viable. Debian does have a basic developers package setup that makes it relatively easy to setup and maintain a basic developers environment. As for vmware, get the server 1.x versions (freely available). they tend to have better performance and a remote console that works. vmware 2.x did away with the remote console and is also optimized for use under windows (as the host OS). I find their web interface clunky and very slow to respond. there are also some features missing in 2.x that were present in 1.x. Trent Shipley wrote: (SOT: somewhat off topic) I want to set up a Windows lab computer. I want to work with XP, Vista, and Win7. On an MS list it was suggested that I use virtualization rather than multiboot. I'm thinking I'd run a Linux distro natively, run FOSS virtualization software on Linux, and run the three MS OSes as guests. What is a good Linux distro? Will I need a server distribution or can I run a desktop distribution? What are FOSS choices for the virtualization software? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: SOT: virtualization
Second that with OpenSuse! On 12/15/09, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote: Trent, of the major distro's, debian 5.0 has the least troubles right now and is therefore, probably the best for your needs currently. Others like Fedora or Opensuse have package dependency problems and are a little more difficult to develop on properly. Fedora: forces you to run SELINUX regardless of whether you need it or not Opensuse: tends to run cutting edge (bleeding edge) packages and will tend to break older installs. Their upgrade system is horribly broken currently, so its not a good idea to upgrade older opensuse systems. I recently had such problems with opensuse (settings not being maintained across reboots, services failing to start, etc) that I have completely written off this community project as anywhere near viable. Debian does have a basic developers package setup that makes it relatively easy to setup and maintain a basic developers environment. As for vmware, get the server 1.x versions (freely available). they tend to have better performance and a remote console that works. vmware 2.x did away with the remote console and is also optimized for use under windows (as the host OS). I find their web interface clunky and very slow to respond. there are also some features missing in 2.x that were present in 1.x. Trent Shipley wrote: (SOT: somewhat off topic) I want to set up a Windows lab computer. I want to work with XP, Vista, and Win7. On an MS list it was suggested that I use virtualization rather than multiboot. I'm thinking I'd run a Linux distro natively, run FOSS virtualization software on Linux, and run the three MS OSes as guests. What is a good Linux distro? Will I need a server distribution or can I run a desktop distribution? What are FOSS choices for the virtualization software? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com Only the dead have seen the end of war. -Plato --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: SOT: virtualization
On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 18:46 -0700, Technomage wrote: Fedora: forces you to run SELINUX regardless of whether you need it or not this is simply wrong. On Fedora 12 (the latest version released a few weeks ago)... # head -n 5 /etc/selinux/config # This file controls the state of SELinux on the system. # SELINUX= can take one of these three values: # enforcing - SELinux security policy is enforced. # permissive - SELinux prints warnings instead of enforcing. # disabled - SELinux is fully disabled. if however you had the slightest bit of understanding of SELinux, you would have known that on any system, you can append 'setenforce 0' to the kernel boot parameters to disable SELinux at startup. Even still, you could build your own kernel and not enable SELinux. I am quite sure that 'forcing' a user to run SELinux on Fedora has never even been discussed by serious people. You can permanently disable it on 'first boot' which is where you configure things like networking, users, startup services, firewall and of course, security. As for your assertion that Fedora has 'dependency' issues... I simply do not ever have dependency issues with Fedora but if your analysis of dependencies is similar to your analysis of them 'forcing' users to run SELinux, then I would accept that you have had your share of problems. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
