Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

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On Sunday 11 Oct 2015 3:04:35 PM Sudhanwa Jogalekar wrote:


I have not received confirmation mail but got other mails in the thread.


On Oct 11, 2015 9:01 AM, "Gaurav Pant"  
wrote:


Interestingly I and few others did not receive the mails of PLUG meet 
announcement. If others have not recieved the same please notify about 
the same here.--


Dexter  




On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Mayuresh  
wrote:


On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 09:44:26PM +0530, shirish wrote:> This was 
something that was being shared between Manjusha and me. What I/We> 
meant was that even today whether you look at 40 years old people or 
early> 20's youth they still do not know that something like FOSS exists.

Nothing to do with age really. More to do with exposure and enthusiasm.

> I have also been under the impression as most of us are that people 
know> about FOSS generally but the truth is, it's only when you work in 
companies> which use FOSS then you come to know about it.

Not really. There would be many on PLUG list who virtually educated 
theiremployers about FOSS.

> And for the 40 year olds, most of them have a stable job/life so they 
are> not much enthusiastic to learn these 'new-fangled' ideas as I have 
been> told/shared by people over time and in different workshops.

Again nothing to do with age.

FOSS is not that new. Several of 40+ (that includes the most 
celebratedOSS developer in the world, no points for guessing) and even 
60+ (considering the big R's age now, guess the big R of open source if 
youdon't know) and several lesser mortals who were early adopters on 
whoseeffort we stand wherever we do today.

[I do not know a suitable title for this thread. Request to modify thesubject 
suitably.]



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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

I have not received confirmation mail but got other mails in the thread.
On Oct 11, 2015 9:01 AM, "Gaurav Pant"  wrote:

> Interestingly I and few others did not receive the mails of PLUG meet
> announcement. If others have not recieved the same please notify about the
> same here.
> --
> Dexter
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Mayuresh  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 09:44:26PM +0530, shirish wrote:
>> > This was something that was being shared between Manjusha and me. What
>> I/We
>> > meant was that even today whether you look at 40 years old people or
>> early
>> > 20's youth they still do not know that something like FOSS exists.
>>
>> Nothing to do with age really. More to do with exposure and enthusiasm.
>>
>> > I have also been under the impression as most of us are that people know
>> > about FOSS generally but the truth is, it's only when you work in
>> companies
>> > which use FOSS then you come to know about it.
>>
>> Not really. There would be many on PLUG list who virtually educated their
>> employers about FOSS.
>>
>> > And for the 40 year olds, most of them have a stable job/life so they
>> are
>> > not much enthusiastic to learn these 'new-fangled' ideas as I have been
>> > told/shared by people over time and in different workshops.
>>
>> Again nothing to do with age.
>>
>> FOSS is not that new. Several of 40+ (that includes the most celebrated
>> OSS developer in the world, no points for guessing) and even 60+ (
>> considering the big R's age now, guess the big R of open source if you
>> don't know) and several lesser mortals who were early adopters on whose
>> effort we stand wherever we do today.
>>
>> [I do not know a suitable title for this thread. Request to modify the
>> subject suitably.]
>>
>> Mayuresh
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Re: [PLUG] plug-mail Digest, Vol 9, Issue 3

[saurabh kukade]

Hey, I dont agree with you guys. even i know about FOSS and I am 23 Years old.
Moreover I knew it when i was 20.
So that means if you dont work in company you can know about FOSS. 
Thanks and Regards,
Saurabh Kukade.

"A computer would deserve to be called intelligent if it could deceive a human 
into believing that it was human". - Alan Turing.


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>1.  PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains (shirish)
>2. Re:  PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains (G Karunakar)
>3. Re:  PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains (shirish)
>4. Re:  PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains (Mayuresh)
>5. Re:  PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains (Gaurav Pant)
>6. Re:  PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains
>   (Kaustubh Gadkari)
>7. Re:  PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains
>   (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:20:29 +0530
> From: shirish 
> To: plug 
> Subject: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains
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> Hi all,
> 
> The meeting/meet-up was canceled as unseasonal rains made it hard for 
> people to reach the venue. Only I, Raju, Manjusha, Karunakar and Akshat 
> were present and we discussed about the immense knowledge gap about FOSS 
> in India among other things.
> 
> Hopefully we would be share about Hamara next month or something (i.e. 
> if the rain gods don't disrupt our schedule) . Can't say anything bad 
> about rains as Pune and Maharashtra as a whole is reeling under a water 
> crisis so any and all rains are welcome even if the costs are events 
> such as these, water being a necessity for one and all.
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> Shirish Agarwal,
> Community Lead,
> Hamaralinux.org
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 21:37:37 +0530
> From: G Karunakar 
> To: plug-mail@plug.org.in
> Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains
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> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:20:29 +0530
> shirish wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > The meeting/meet-up was canceled as unseasonal rains made it hard
> > for people to reach the venue. Only I, Raju, Manjusha, Karunakar
> > and Akshat were present and we discussed about the immense
> > knowledge gap about FOSS in India among other things.
> > 
> 
> Well I don't agree that it is a gap.. just that FOSS have become
> big and broad to grasp in one hand. So in the FOSS ocean we are all
> on different islands/boats.. occasionally (or usually) hopping around.
> 
> Karunakar
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 21:44:26 +0530
> From: shirish 
> To: plug-mail@plug.org.in
> Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains
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> in-line :-
> 
> On Saturday 10 October 2015 09:37 PM, G Karunakar wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Well I don't agree that it is a gap.. just that FOSS have become
> > big and broad to grasp in one hand. So in the FOSS ocean we are all
> > on different islands/boats.. occasionally (or usually) hopping around.
> 
> This was something that was being shared between Manjusha and me. What 
> I/We meant was that even today whether you look at 40 years old people 
> or early 20's youth they still do not know that something like FOSS exists.
> 
> I have also been under the impression as most of us are that people know 
> about FOSS generally but the truth is, it's only when you work in 
> companies which use FOSS then you come to know about it.
> 
> And for the 40 year olds, most of them have a stable job/life so they 
> are not much enthusiastic to learn these 'new-fangled' ideas as I have 
> been told/shared by people over time and in different workshops.
> 
> > Karunakar
> >
> > 
> > Powered 

Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Thin Rhino]

On 11 October 2015 at 09:00, Gaurav Pant  wrote:
>
> Interestingly I and few others did not receive the mails of PLUG meet
announcement. If others have not recieved the same please notify about the
same here.

Many a times, PLUG mails need to be fished out from the SPAM folder and
there are times, when I do miss a couple of emails.
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Thin Rhino]

On 11 October 2015 at 11:12, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <
sankarshan.mukhopadh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 7:20 PM, shirish  wrote:
> > we discussed about the immense knowledge gap about FOSS in India among
other
> > things.
>
> What were the salient points of the discussion?

I have never understood the noise around Linux & Linux! I visited
their websites and the only thing,
different is screenshots with Indian Languages. Everything else, is just
the same that comes with Ubuntu or Fedora.
Same old open office, same old GNome / KDE.

As I see this, take source code from the web compile it, re-brand it and
gloat about it is made in/for India etc.

I would rather have you good people spend time & effort in distributing
Ubuntu or Fedora or any other OS to
people and teach people to write good code using these tools. Who cares,
what OS you are using?

You want to stop Facebook Zero and all that? Get people to access the
internet and show them the power of
free and open source, not by distributing some customised copy of Linux.
But by showing how, the free and
open web and free and open tools, can help them live a better life.

In 2015, writing / rewriting / re branding an OS is biggest waste of time,
effort, talent and money.

You want to spread FOSS, build something like this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4hVG2Br1W1LKCmw8nSm9WnQ/introducing-the-bbc-micro-bit
and educate people how programming using open source tools can be fun.

Cheers

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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Mayuresh]

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 05:16:35AM +0530, shirish ? wrote:
> @ Mayuresh - While I agree that it is nothing to do with age and while
> you hint at Linus and Richard M. Stallman , those two are exceptions
> and all those who have taken it either as a passion or a profession.

Obviously they can't be the "exceptions" as the empire is built with so
many unsung contributors in their or higher age group, who continue to
contribute.

> What I meant was that I was under the impression that in 2015, now
> with people having access to smartphones and all, the access to
> knowledge is/should not be an issue at least not in colleges in Pune
> but surprisingly there are still gaps there.  While as a potential
> facilitator this means there is lots of opportunity for experienced
> people, it also drives home the point that there is lot of work that
> needs to be done.

Agree. There is a big gap in awareness. My perception is, increased
accessibility to information has actually had a counter-effect. Since
there lies an answer, average person is not even taking pains to search or
read it.  Access to information should be converted into and advantage,
instead it is making us lazy. (I do not want to generalize, but this is a
perception I have got about an average college goer in tech streams of
today.)

> While I do not know of any means other than talking and sharing about
> in various workshops but do feel that somehow we have lost the plot
> (in making people aware) and do feel culpable in not doing enough.
> 
> Any ideas what we could do to improve the situation ?

I appreciate sincerity behind those words. I think PLUG is a very good
platform to seek ideas of this kind. I'd suggest you to make a new mail
thread with appropriate subject and I think experienced PLUG members will
definitely contribute.

Mayuresh
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