Re: [PLUG] Libertine fonts - common windows fonts replacement
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Chetan S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And a good comparison of the replacement ( including screenshots ) is here - http://www.oooninja.com/2008/02/metrical-equivalent-fonts-and-font.html regards, C Thanks for the link. is there a thank you smiley...? I could not find one open and free source one :-) -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Libertine fonts - common windows fonts replacement
http://linuxlibertine.sourceforge.net This is also interesting... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Un Copying!! :-)
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Pranav Peshwe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Genuine posts and problems are always extremely welcome. Kindly, CMIIW. Best regards, Pranav -- After spending whatever years playing with Linux I still find people who do neither know free software nor that indian languages are available freely on Linux and that one does not need to buy software like Ankur to just write in Marathi. For those people who are still not aware of all the facets of Linux... I am willing to take 1000 bad words hurled at me... Because all these people and things matter to Linux. Hope this temporarily answers your Q in briefest way... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Hylafaxfax
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Rajiv Gore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sir, I have installed Hylafax on Suse 10.2. Every time I need to issue command of /usr/sbin/faxgetty -D /dev/ttyS0 to get start faxgetty. I have following line in /etc/initab mo:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/faxgetty -D /dev/ttyS0 but faxgetty doesnot start at boot up. Please inform what is needed to start faxgetty at boot up. Thanks for help in advance. Regards -- Rajiv Gore Sai Links (India) Pvt. ltd L-213 MIDC Ahmednagar -414 111 MS, India Tele 091-241-2778935 Fax 091-241-2423284 May sound like a stupid question but.. have you gotten it running (working) without hooking it up in inittab? -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Hylafaxfax
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Rajiv Gore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sir, I have installed Hylafax on Suse 10.2. Every time I need to issue command of /usr/sbin/faxgetty -D /dev/ttyS0 to get start faxgetty. I have following line in /etc/initab mo:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/faxgetty -D /dev/ttyS0 but faxgetty doesnot start at boot up. Please inform what is needed to start faxgetty at boot up. Thanks for help in advance. Regards May sound like a stupid question but.. have you gotten it running without hooking it up in inittab? -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Let us Discuss LinTops ( Linux Compatible Computers ) !
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Arun Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laptops with the ATI chip set - avoid. Any particular reason? AMD laptops and even desktops are good value for money and if I am not wrong on all counts, ATI is under AMD umbrella.. Even on the servers front AMD offers better value and performance for money... I have found them useful for running Linux... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Un Copying!! :-)
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Pranav Peshwe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 4:52 PM, ഓം [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After spending whatever years playing with Linux I still find people who do neither know free software nor that indian languages are available freely on Linux and that one does not need to buy software like Ankur to just write in Marathi. When you have (as you say) found those people, why not write to them personally ? IMO, that would be better. A small signature under every email you send to anybody, saying 'Linux is free software. You can write even in Indian languages using it!' should accomplish what you wish to do. A link to a good tutorial would be even more helpful. All of that if already being done using all private channels one lead at a time :-) Because all these people and things matter to Linux. Okay. But, how is anything that you have mentioned about Linux and people education etc. related to the 'Un Copying!! :-)' post of yours ? I wanted to clear a doubt about usual propoganda of buying genuine and original software that many people tend to hear when they are switching to Linux from Windows world... I tried making it generic instead of specifically replying to AD's post because it is *so* My question was directed at such posts of yours, not at your intentions in general. Thanks for your generosity! Usually I end up spending 15 minutes telling people about how it is perfectly legal to copy Linux OS (distribution) and that costs me my time. So sending such mail once in a while ensures any new comers become aware of such nontrivial trivialities!! It's interesting to note that most Linux veterans develop lack of such passion once they cross certain level... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Let us Discuss LinTops ( Linux Compatible Computers ) !
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 5:52 PM, TOM_C_A_T Floss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look friends, ( especially Arun Khan, without getting personal ) Pl. don't get personal with Winooo word either. It would b interesting to read how you learn to word your messages without giving undue publicity to others... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Hylafaxfax
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Rajiv Gore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 24 June 2008 17:16, ഓം wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Rajiv Gore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sir, I have installed Hylafax on Suse 10.2. Every time I need to issue command of /usr/sbin/faxgetty -D /dev/ttyS0 to get start faxgetty. I have following line in /etc/initab mo:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/faxgetty -D /dev/ttyS0 but faxgetty doesnot start at boot up. Please inform what is needed to start faxgetty at boot up. Thanks for help in advance. Regards -- Rajiv Gore Sai Links (India) Pvt. ltd L-213 MIDC Ahmednagar -414 111 MS, India Tele 091-241-2778935 Fax 091-241-2423284 May sound like a stupid question but.. have you gotten it running (working) without hooking it up in inittab? -- Yes, once I start Faxgetty from command line , I can send faxes using sendfax -n -d faxno filename command . Regards I think there is a way to get it started at boot time without hooking it up in inittab.. you might want to try it first... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Let us Discuss LinTops ( Linux Compatible Computers ) !
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:16 PM, TOM_C_A_T Floss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - 3gb ram, ddr2 @ 667mhz In my opinion 3 GB RAM is wastefully high amount of memory for running Linux... unfortunately most vendors still don't offer 800 MHz DDR2. -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Hylafaxfax
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Rajiv Gore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 24 June 2008 18:07, ഓം wrote: I think there is a way to get it started at boot time without hooking it up in inittab.. you might want to try it first... How do I do that I think, by starting it from rc.local or such... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] web browser based project management software
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Arun Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for a web browser based project management software that has PERT/CPM charting feature (like in M$ Project). Apps. like ProjPier, PHPProjekt have Gantt charts. Please let me know if you know of any such apps open source or commercial. App able to import/export in M$ Project file format also OK. TIA -- Arun Khan I do not know if this meets your requirements but anyways... http://www.dotproject.net/ -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Need Ubuntu CDs
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Arati Dikey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you. I will but the latest PC magazine. I read below statement on http://www.plug.org.in/software.php . 'PLUG would request individuals/organizations to Buy the free software from the official distributors as far as possible'. That is why I enquired about the official distributors. Regards, Arati. Being specific and to the point (what a rare occasion :-). People are encouraged to buy from vendors (alias distributors) official copies of their distribution where such distributors are providing (un)paid support, and there is likely to be a commercial organization involved. It just gives the organizations a sense of belonging to the legal landscape. It is like acknowledging the existence of organizations which have become successful by helping nurture and improve Linux. It is an idea to continuously encourage them, because many of them also happen to be substantial contributors of OS Linux. *Officially copying* distribution without being on the wrong side of the *law* is what makes Linux great. One could easily steal DG Copiers' slogan आम्ही चक्क कॉपी करतो Now on this point above there could be a healthy argument Anyway there is nothing unofficial about using Linux. Just decide whether you want to monetarily encourage others as well. And yes... new users joining the Linux community is encouragement enough for most because they know something is still ticking for others to switch over to Linux. Shear no. of users using Linux is also good because of the eyeball associated with Linux sites etc... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] Un Copying!! :-)
Every software if a copy, not the original. Originals are only created by the process.. Wise people truncate the last part of the process and call it a master disk or master software and then sell their copies!! Unless the same process of manufacturing is applied for all the pieces manufactured... it is a copy.. So what piece of software anybody sells is a copy not the original. **and companies like $ who have master disks** can be successfully ( tactically) be labeled **copyleft**, because they never leave their premises :-) whatever you name it cloning a disk.. or whatever it is still a exact replica, meaning a copy!! This could be called a **definition flaw.. or perceived flaw in definition** All arguments on this point are (un :-) welcome as long as they are in the context of Linux and copying and legality of copying -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Un Copying!! :-)
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:02 AM, ഓം [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **and companies like $ who have master disks** can be successfully ( tactically) be labeled **copyleft**, because they never leave their premises :-) Or is it the vice sersa :-) -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] problem with dial-up connection
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 1:24 PM, jayant ogale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, i have installed Xandros -4 on my sony vaio VGN-S4M lap-top. i have a dial-up network. when i tried to connect to net via Xandros's dialer, the modem was detected and initiallised the phone number was dialled. after ATX commands i got the message NO CARRIER Connect Script Failed. and the connection was terminated. when i saw the error log, it says as follows. failed to run pon (ppp client service.cpp=999) the connect script failed (returned a non zero exit status).(ppp client service.cpp=997) what should i do to get proper connection? thanks for your time. jayant. From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/citygroups/ Pray tell, which dialer you are using from Chandigadh to Chennai? -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] Kernel upgrade safety...
On my laptop, I have been having some trouble with the freezing up of display when I enable DPMS. (Mandriva 2008.1) So I disabled it. Still sometimes intermittantly I observe some problems (which i believe are caused due to cpufreqd), and now I am seeing kernel upgrade packages. Again int the description of these packages they have given advisory (sort of) precautions to take before kernel upgrade. I also assume that any upgrade packages available from distribution updates sources should be safe for normal upgrade. Any opinions or suggestion on this point from anyone? -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Report/Minutes of PLUG meet held on 9/06/08
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 9:55 AM, shirish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course they are looking for some kind souls if they would take care of designing and hosting the site if possible. if nobody else comes forward, ॐ will be willing to help on this front after ज्ञानेश्वर पालखी crosses सासवड ... Concerned people please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] directly... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Access to a particular website
Is one of the machines, where you are able to do http://xyz.com , the DNS of that domain by any chance? On your DNS wherever it is, you need to have entry related to *www* which will resolve (forward) to *www.xyz.com* that should solve your problem. -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] survey of FOSS success stories
In my perceptive opinion, most effective spread of some of the FOSS technologies and tools (perhaps without calling them FOSS and probably without making much *fuss*) to the grass root level (to the best of my knowledge) has been achieved by SVS here. http://www.svs.org.in I am sure there are other noteworthy people and organizations as well, but I am not citing their names because I have not been able to spend requisite necessary time to learn and truely understand effect of their contribution. I am still trying to learn about other such... That's a failure on unsigned's part! -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] FOSS contributors from Pune
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Salil Bijur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 5:59 PM, ഓം [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so why don't we write about others who we think are doing good work and encourage the actual doer's to say a little bit once the name gets nominated by others than themselves! For the simple reason that a contributer himself knows best about his contribution than anyone else, like you dont know what FOSS contribs I have made and I dont know what you have contributed. The idea is not to praise/self-praise, but to inform. Cheers, Salil Please excuse the way I am writing the next few lines, but I could not find the better way to express.. If Developer knew what users want, without the interaction of user community, then M$ is correct in the way they treat users... but i think things are different here in many way and one of that ways is software is being developed based on user needs and preferences most of the times and this approach of I know what is the best way to contribute has the same flaws that are generally best avoided. Contributor is the best person to talk about his contribution only after users have found that he has been contributing in whatever way to the community! There is no denying that.. but other way round does not make much sense to me, maybe it will make to others in which case Bharat... democrazy we vote, you win! So your point is valid however still invalid from the point of view of suggestion I made. -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] FOSS contributors from Pune
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Salil Bijur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:23 PM, ഓം [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Salil Bijur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 5:59 PM, ഓം [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so why don't we write about others who we think are doing good work and encourage the actual doer's to say a little bit once the name gets nominated by others than themselves! For the simple reason that a contributer himself knows best about his contribution than anyone else, like you dont know what FOSS contribs I have made and I dont know what you have contributed. The idea is not to praise/self-praise, but to inform. When working in and contributing to the community, the community needs to notice your work, if it doesn't, it's their failure, not yours. So keep up the good work! If Developer knew what users want, without the interaction of user community, then M$ is correct in the way they treat users... but i think things are different here in many way and one of that ways is software is being developed based on user needs and preferences most of the times and this approach of I know what is the best way to contribute has the same flaws that are generally best avoided. This has nothing to do with the original idea of the thread which was about FOSS contributors from Pune and their work. Yes very much we are talking about contribution of Pune folks to the community. Never argue with idiots. They just drag you down to their level and then beat you with their experience. There is no better way to understand's one's own standing, than by communicating with people of all statures! The least you get to build is awareness about self and others! With sincere thanks and good wishes... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] FOSS contributors from Pune
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 4:33 PM, sudhanwa Jogalekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, We will be adding a section on the PLUG website mentioning FOSS contributors from Pune and their work. This will include individuals as well as companies/organisations too. We would like to invite such contributors (and representatives of companies/organisations) to attend the next PLUG meeting (on 7th June) and talk about their contributions. They can tell about the projects they work on, the growth path for the project, if they need any help and more contributors etc. Please confirm your participation/session to me so that I can prepare the agenda accordingly. Contributors, please send synopsis of your work to the webmaster so that it can be updated on the website. Some examples: Karunakar( http://indlinux.org ) : IndLinux project Sarvanngin vikas Sanstha ( http://svs.org.in/Downloads.html ): OO.o documentation in local languages. Thanks to Mukund Joglekar for suggesting this idea. We were not able to execute this for a long time. Lets work on it now. Best regards -Sudhanwa Jogalekar Beg to differ on the implementation of the idea wonly... Like Pandurang Shastri Athavale once mentioned in Japan (during the world religious conference or something), we don't have a tradition of self praise ( unless the things have drastically in last 60 years)... so why don't we write about others who we think are doing good work and encourage the actual doer's to say a little bit once the name gets nominated by others than themselves! This will atleast help PuneLug compile a list of people who are actively contributing and then take the next logical step... that of finding out people who are not doing the talk (something equivalent of **talking the walk**)... Anyatha... अगोदरच पुण्यातील लोकांना स्वतःबद्दल फारसे बरेवाईट बोललेलं आवडत नाही, त्यांच्यावर ही बळजवरीच ठरेल :-) -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Indian Radio Channel on internet
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Atul Nene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ePrasaran Internet Radio http://www.eprasaran.com/ Followed the link(s) but could not get Radio Host to talk to me... :-( -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Access to a particular website
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Nikhil Kala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I am facing small problem from last few days. I want access a website (for eg. www.xyz.com) from my desktop. When I type the address in browser http://xyz.com then it gives me error permission denied. But I access same site from laptop in same network I can able to visit the site by typing same http://xyz.com Also if on my desktop, I type www.xyz.com then I can able to visit the website. So can anybody tell me where I am going wrong? On my Desktop I have Suse 10.3 Linux and on Laptop Ubuntu 7.04 Linux installed. Maybe unrelated but... are both machines using the same DNS (resolver)? -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Firmware, tainted code etc [was Re: [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?]
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:56 AM, BVK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:34 AM, ഓം [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:17 PM, BVK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:17 PM, ഓം [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... just like I would call someone arguing on behalf of FSF as charged follower.. As a 3rd party, i can see that they were talking about the license terms till now, its you who is brought this *on behalf of FSF* storyline into the picture. Do you really need to hate FSF that much? So let them argue to their hearts content. Thanks for point out that I need not contribute... OMG. What statement of my above paragraph really meant that, you need not contribute? My remarks were on topic, so were relevant to the thread... but I thought electrons need a *potential difference* to flow. They never cross the higher potential as far as I remember, they flow from a higher potential to a lower potential. everything is relatively easy to disprove... This is an assertion, please disprove! No need for me... you yourself can try to test it taking into account any specific work... (including this one) So basically, what you mean here is: 1. You can argue that some stuff XYZ is relatively easy. 2. When somebody asks how, you don't need to tell. Now i understand you (and why you call yourself a Guru). Don't find need to discuss more since further discussion on it will not be very much on-topic although it could be streched to be on topic... by citing appropriate examples.. I suggest if you want to discuss this some one (who is more interested in the learning about why I say so... about it could open a thread, and I will contribute my opinions... which you are free to reject} The email id says or probably means **Guru.is.On.Vi**, it does not say I am Guru! :-) If you need more discussion, on this, try to make it on topic... I have no problems discussing anything that follows the guidelines... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Firmware, tainted code etc [was Re: [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?]
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Praveen A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/28 ഓം [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This related to electronics and things that are used for electrons! So effect of the word *potential* also needs to be taken into account (albeit in some point of view) and taking that it into account... one could easily argue that what you are probably calling is a barrier, so enough potential will cross over the barrier and make the electrons flow as they need to appropriately... Technically I would call them charged particles just like I would call someone arguing on behalf of FSF as charged follower.. May be I slept in the class or you are talking rubbish, Maybe both :-) but I thought electrons need a *potential difference* to flow. They never cross the higher potential as far as I remember, they flow from a higher potential to a lower potential. everything is relatively easy to disprove... -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! You need working phone to make a call to be precise... that needs to be manufactured using GPLed hardware and certified GPL'ed software! If you are that keen on it. You know the rest. The degree of tolerance?? DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? What's the use of phone if it doesn't work? -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Firmware, tainted code etc [was Re: [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?]
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:17 PM, BVK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:17 PM, ഓം [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... just like I would call someone arguing on behalf of FSF as charged follower.. As a 3rd party, i can see that they were talking about the license terms till now, its you who is brought this *on behalf of FSF* storyline into the picture. Do you really need to hate FSF that much? So let them argue to their hearts content. Thanks for point out that I need not contribute... May be I slept in the class or you are talking rubbish, Maybe both :-) but I thought electrons need a *potential difference* to flow. They never cross the higher potential as far as I remember, they flow from a higher potential to a lower potential. everything is relatively easy to disprove... This is an assertion, please disprove! No need for me... you yourself can try to test it taking into account any specific work... (including this one) -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! You need working phone to make a call to be precise... that needs to be manufactured using GPLed hardware and certified GPL'ed software! If you are that keen on it. You know the rest. The degree of tolerance?? DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? What's the use of phone if it doesn't work? -- You don't need to comment on others signatures :P If it related to what is being said above, then you are directly making an assertion about the points of discussion in your signature, in which case you signature is vulnerable to comments... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?
Thanks for the update.. just a thought :-) that anybody following commitment would have called it Libre-Linux... without showing any flexibility what-so-ever in terminology *Termina*ting this comment *logi*cally :-) /humour Next time you clean my car, don't forget to remove the non-free engine.. the car will feel much more silent... allowing me to walk peacefully... humuor -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Firmware, tainted code etc [was Re: [X-Post] [ilugd] linux-libre kernel. fork?]
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Rahul Sundaram
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ഓം wrote:
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Rahul Sundaram
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श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर wrote:
The kernel is GPLed, but the firmware may not be.
There is in fact a potential license violation here. Refer mere
aggregation clauses in the license.
Rahul
There is either a violation (though with some perception and point of
view) or there is no legal violation (with some other perception and
point of view) but that can be *no* **potential violation**.
If you prefer could take a look at what makes you think there *is*
potential!
Since I am not a lawyer, I can only talk about potential violations. I
already gave a hint. Read the license. In brief, if something is derived
from a GPL'ed licensed codebase it should be under the same license too. The
firmwares files in the kernel certainly is not GPL'ed. If there is clear
separation, then the mere aggregation clause applies. That isn't the case
atleast in some instances since the driver is closely tied to the firmware
and vice versa.
Rahul
Whosoever calls for *clear separation* (i think) has a burden upon
self to define what is *clear* and what is *separation* and also what
is *clear separation* as it applies to the work giving enough
examples on both the sides...
{i have a feeling such a thing may not be even existing if they
are. let them rest in peace till one goodself has time to read the
tombstone!}
for clarity's sake and, so as not to confuse already confused people
more... i will take *rest* for now on this thread!
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Re: [PLUG] Frontline Article
Very interesting mistake... I could not help but think about Gun totting evangelists of Linux :-) s/gun/gnu/ -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] Hats Off to the community efforts of bringing about the standards revolutions...
http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20080521092930864 Congratulations to team at svs.org.in who have contributed a lot to OOo ... :-) -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Interestingly Real Challenge...
1. This is just a curiosity... but how many of free software evangelists who are for some reason required to use Windows OS ( even for just a sneak peak) for some specific purpose (in भारत) care to buy a Liesensed OS? 2. And how many try to promote Free and Open Source Softwares around proprietary OS with an ultimate AIM to transition to Linux based setup? This is a slow and steady way of winning trust of your कष्टमर which also needs lot of efforts, dedication and devotion... I know there will be few such people who are treading on this path.. maybe we just need to learn about their efforts... and it will be very interesting... that's a classic way of building business around OSS and promoting good conduct in relation to software use... I know there will be some scope for improvement in few areas for many of us, so throwing the least debated topic for discussions -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Interestingly Real Challenge...
I was once required to load a Pie-Rated copy of Windows because Licensed copy of OS refused to Run a particular application... So the customer kept the license to show an interesting onlookers (Just like a Linux enthusiast who saved Hotmail Users the trouble once on Christmas Day by paying what Microsoft failed to keep their purchased and owned domain running... :-) Overall people I deal with are interested in using OSS software and slowly learning their way around paying for something they don't need. Some are looking at switching to Linux now that they are familiar with many Open and Free Source day-to-day productivity tools. This has also created an opportunity for training on OFS tools... So on the whole there are ample opportunities for Entrepreneurship... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Indian Radio Channel on internet
Few months back there was something called RadioHungama... don't know which pothole it fell through... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Indian Radio Channel on internet
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 10:25 AM, ഓം [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few months back there was something called RadioHungama... don't know which pothole it fell through... To make it appropriate for this forum.. I must add .. **It used to work well with Linux and FireFox and such independently available free tools** -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Frontline Article
Any enthusiastic CEO will always ask himself what is the **Bottomline** :-) I wonder if anybody has yet started doing Doctoral Studies in Economics of Free Software, that would be very interesting... and I think amartya Sen or such luminaries and their friends will still be penning their articles and comments *without* using any of the OSS tools... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Indian Radio Channel on internet
No please... It is a possibly simple way of saying I want to Use Free and Open Source Software on my Pirated Windows OS. Gandhiji also taught People of ways to break the Law (albeit in protest and non-violently), and we are still to learn to uphold one. Smaller actions of great people have larger ramifications and usually people who become big ( well-known) **remember to forget it**. ( the larger implications of their smaller actions). And as usual, the follower don't know that they are supposed to be leaders by improving the processes and not remain followers (till the following becomes obsolete). -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] KMail messup!!
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:21 AM, श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May be I am not using any new kmail features.. because my kmailrc(heck the entire ~/.kde) is like 5 years old.. :) But at one time, I remember, kmail explicitly asked me to convert the config. to a new format. I remember myself having gone through similar experience long time back...(converting to new config). That is why I was surprised to find it missing in newer versions... or maybe tolerance limits need to be reset. In general, I am very glad with kde, the way configuration remains the same over the years. Nothing breaks, things just keep chugging. I know how hard it is to attain it. Shridhar Exception handling of KDE has improved over the time... an observation! -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] KMail messup!!
I have now become aware of what needs to be done to fix the problem... -- Greatest thing about a *sound advice* is that you don't need to follow it. One understands the anatomy of problem and learns to live with it! -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] KMail messup!!
Solution is already out here on the list archives... what I want to share is why one should rename old kmailrc and force kmail to create a self-reliant fresh kmailrc... Simply because it will load in new features that otherwise won't get activated.. If I simply file a bug that the said thing is not working... probably I will be advised tersely that same thing that विद्यावाचस्पती Shridhar has already suggested... but i would be a really good feature for KDE to automagically convert old KMailRC into the new *avatar*. And if I go and ask for it in bugzilla.kde.org, they would treat it as a new feature and would be put under different category that has lower priority since it may not be a sh0wstopper! How's that for a simplified analysis of the usual situation, the way most systems work? :-) -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] KMail messup!!
Upon setting KMail to periodically check your mails automatically, it
royally messes it up..
2 years back I found it was messed up. So had disabled it. Now when
I found everything on Mandriva 2008.1 working to satisfaction I
remember my old pain... and i find that on this front KMail (Kontact)
has not improved at all... in fact it has gone worst...
Kudos to all involved in this :-)
That includes metoo: {for checking it now after 2 years}
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Re: [PLUG] KMail messup!!
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Rahul Sundaram
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ഓം wrote:
Upon setting KMail to periodically check your mails automatically, it
royally messes it up..
2 years back I found it was messed up. So had disabled it. Now when
I found everything on Mandriva 2008.1 working to satisfaction I
remember my old pain... and i find that on this front KMail (Kontact)
has not improved at all... in fact it has gone worst...
Kudos to all involved in this :-)
That includes metoo: {for checking it now after 2 years}
Did you ever file a bug report?
Rahul
I think I have once gone through the cycle of filing bug, but not in
this case... and I am open for you to file a bug report on me for this
behaviour :-)
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Re: [PLUG] KMail messup!!
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ഓം wrote: I think I have once gone through the cycle of filing bug, but not in this case... and I am open for you to file a bug report on me for this behaviour :-) Filing bug by proxy does not work since that usually gets followed by discussions and more information that needs to be supplied by you. Rahul Grateful to you for opening a bug on my behaviour.. it will fixed soon when the members of developer community get first opportunity :-) -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] KMail messup!!
Using KMail 1.9.9 KDE 3.5.9 The problem is serious. I enabled periodic fetch for just one account of few worth checking.. and it started fetching mail every 10 seconds when the interval was set to 9 minutes.. When I tried to disable it now it does not work... So thought this must be getting cached somewhere and hence cleaned KDE (Konq) cache thinking it may be somewhat related.. I usually launch KMail alone not the whole of Kontact... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] KMail messup!!
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 8:14 PM, ഓം [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using KMail 1.9.9 KDE 3.5.9 The problem is serious. I enabled periodic fetch for just one account of few worth checking.. and it started fetching mail every 10 seconds when the interval was set to 9 minutes.. When I tried to disable it now it does not work... So thought this must be getting cached somewhere and hence cleaned KDE (Konq) cache thinking it may be somewhat related.. I usually launch KMail alone not the whole of Kontact... My advise to the community will be the one from the James Bond Movie... the name of which I forget to remember as usual... ^^Don't start something which you can not stop^^... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] KMail messup!!
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 8:26 PM, श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 06 May 2008 20:14:33 ഓം wrote: Using KMail 1.9.9 KDE 3.5.9 The problem is serious. I enabled periodic fetch for just one account of few worth checking.. and it started fetching mail every 10 seconds when the interval was set to 9 minutes.. When I tried to disable it now it does not work... So thought this must be getting cached somewhere and hence cleaned KDE (Konq) cache thinking it may be somewhat related.. I usually launch KMail alone not the whole of Kontact... Find kmailrc in ~/.kde, check it in a editor for it being sane. Try moving it and reconfiguring it from scratch. Are you using an old kmailrc carried over for some time? Shridhar Doctor (title conferred with humbleness), i think you just diagnosed the problem correctly... Till i find suitable assistant (a compounder :-) i will take the role of both compounder and the patient, and will swallow/follow your advise silently! -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] MandrivaLinux Spring 2008...
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10-Apr-08, at 10:56 AM, ഓം wrote: http://www.mandriva.com/enterprise/en/company/press/mandriva-presents-its-latest-distribution-mandriva-linux-2008-spring would be interesting to see what new things are out there... do you know if that ipset error in starting shorewall is fixed in this? Yes, it's fixed... And Mandriva 2008.1 Spring look good. I just installed it few minutes back... Clean install went smooth and configured most things... no issues atall... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] MandrivaLinux Spring 2008...
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Vishal Rao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 8:40 PM, ഓം [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And Mandriva 2008.1 Spring look good. I just installed it few minutes back... Clean install went smooth and configured most things... no issues atall... Are you folks using the One free CD ISO? Is there anything limited/disabled in the free (free as in no-charge) version compared to the commercial/paid version such as the powerpack? Don't know for sure..have been using the free versions for my day-to-day computing (communications) needs for last 3-4 years and never needed to bother about what these (so called) commercial versions are! :-) Also kMail is improved a lot over these time and it makes my life simpler. Luckily I can use it without having to launch kontact.. Most of experiences are of similar nature... Some OpenSuSE fans said it has better developer tools which maybe true but who cares... till they fix their installer to correctly detect existing Linux partitions :-) In return for using the (so called) free tools, try to educate people of benefits of free tools and trying to implement solutions based on them ... because conscience does not allow to take anything free (as in gratis)... since it costs someone something... sometimes time... Coming back to the topic, I understand from a friend that Mandriva One CD worked great where OpenSuSE 10.3 failed for a new DELL laptop due to the issue of Prop.Vs Free tango... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] GUI development over linux
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Manas Alekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, If you are familiar with perl and need to develop tools in-house, why not try perl-tk ? It has a good programming model with a decent learning curve. Besides, I don't think you will lack any functionality in tk, unless you want to do something like embedding mozilla in your application. My two cents. Cheers, Manas A real good suggestion really... Harbouring the power of Perl and Harnessing the simplicity of Tk is a great combo! That is what i would say using poor english :-) -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] OSI Board Member from Pune !!
अभिनंदन हर्षद पुणे from GLUG (Gune Linux Users' Group :-) I think this kind of typos are good to keep record of happening things around :-) -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] will pune join the fun? campaign for document freedom?
There is no better rebuke than purposefully not paying attention (ignoring) the mighty ones when they are screaming for attention :-) All these companies deserve the same treatment... You are unnecessarily giving them free (as in ___ :-) publicity. Actions of the silent ones are sometimes mightier than the Words of the vocal ones... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] mandriva spring where is it
Citing experience can sometimes be counter-productive (esp. when it can be used to prove that you have not paid attention to the detail/documentation for so long a period :-) But there is a learning everyday of life... With that remark... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] mandriva spring where is it
In case if all internet sharing and firewall tools, all such tools have default eth0 configured for connect to internet and eth1 to local area network. If you want it done other way round, you need to tweak the default configuration.. This is a 10 year old wisdom... :-) -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] mandriva spring where is it
I think it is noted in the basics of documentation on firewall/gateway... tools... (Just in case needed), because I remember reading it then...(10 years back :-) -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] MandrivaLinux Spring 2008...
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10-Apr-08, at 10:56 AM, ഓം wrote: http://www.mandriva.com/enterprise/en/company/press/mandriva-presents-its-latest-distribution-mandriva-linux-2008-spring would be interesting to see what new things are out there... do you know if that ipset error in starting shorewall is fixed in this? Per my last search (and analysis) ipset error in the shorewall was caused in the kernels section and (I believe) kernel programmers were aware of it. That was with .17 kernel. So i would assume it would have been fixed in the later kernels. Spring 2008 features kernel .24, so I am inclined to believe that could have been fixed. However as we often find out, Murphy's law holds good on many occasions and people have to worry about Confusi-ous/on caused :-) -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] MandrivaLinux Spring 2008...
http://www.mandriva.com/enterprise/en/company/press/mandriva-presents-its-latest-distribution-mandriva-linux-2008-spring would be interesting to see what new things are out there... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] Re: Lie-Sensing and Taxing exercizes...
Like they do in Americas (e.g. citing Jude Vs Law case
{hypothetically} and taking higher courts ruling in that case to guide
the justice in subsequent cases), this ruling could be used to
establish the blatant misuse and (ab)use of ethical business practices
and code of conduct etc. etc. etc... by the concerned parties...
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[PLUG] Lie-Sensing and Taxing exercizes...
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/04/02/2237233.shtml I wish all of such facts and episodes could be used during other litigations :-) -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Linux + XP dual boot
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Arun Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The rest of the disk into 10GB slices for LVM PE. Put /home on a LVM. Any particular reason for 10 GB slicing? -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Linux + XP dual boot
I searched up and found this interesting link.. http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/AUnix1/Partitioning.htm i think it is really worth reading for anybody... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Linux + XP dual boot
Having a separate /home has it's own advantages... when you have to reformat (read clean) the disk etc. -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Linux + XP dual boot
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 5:46 AM, Abhijit Paithankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh but...hmm..well, never mind. I do see some cases where a separate /home could be useful. Especially when you want to change your distribution. Even without changing distribution upgrade can have problems and clean install is always recommended. In which case having separate home gives you a lot of rope to play with anything...(upgrade or cleaninstall) -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Linux + XP dual boot
I had to clean install Mandriva 2008, since upgrade did not work well... SO what do we say about most user friendly Man Drake :-? -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Linux + XP dual boot
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:32 AM, श्रीधर नारायण दैठणकर
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On Thursday 20 Mar 2008 10:20:37 ഓം wrote:
I had to clean install Mandriva 2008, since upgrade did not work
well... SO what do we say about most user friendly Man Drake :-?
Since you didn't quoted my mail, I don't know if you were replying to my
reply
but I assume you are.
Well, I abandoned mandrake like 5-6 years ago because of this precise
problem,
I think it was mandrake 9.2. Also I hated it when I could not install mysql
because kdevelop depended upon it.
Since then I am a happy slackware user. Lately I am using archlinux for
having
a very good x86_64 support and rolling upgrades. (In which case, upgrade has
to work, otherwise the installation is no good and one has to go back a long
way where CD install was done).
I think you were the first on PLUG to advocate Mand? and looks
like leader has gone far ahead of army of soldiers...
:-)
Good to hear about slackware and archLinux since that gives a chance
to take a look at what else good is happening that Bladerunners
{people on the edge} are using...
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Re: [PLUG] IE grant for RD! Your expert comments??
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Gaurav Raval [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, I am Gaurav Raval, pursuing ME CSE (IT) form VIT. I got to know about The Institution of Engineers's RD Grant for instution. (http://www.ieindia.org/randd.pdf). Can any one suggest me any research oriented project that can help me wining the battle (ps. dead line approaching... 15th of this month :0 ). Sure, Interesting... My area of interest is Communication Security and Embedded Technologies. I guess one could write and publish a paper project based on (in)security of IE surrounding IE and even suggest alternative *win*ing strategies..for the battles etc... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] FTP Client
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Nikhil Kala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Helllo All, Can anybody tell me FTP Client under linux platform.Currently I am using cuteFTP software in Windows, only this FTP client works fine ie. connects to the server quickly and transfers the files smoothly. I have tried GFTP, FILEZILLA, FireFTP (a plug-in for firefox). But got the error while transfering the files to the server. Errors like File could not be transfer, frequently automatically disconnect with server change the setting of idle timeout in FileZilla to some higher value than default. There is also option such as autoreconnect if it fails while transferring but *wget -c* will be the best way to do things if you are not hung up about using GUI based FTP client. -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] FTP Client
GFTP is the best tool if you want to xfer files between to remote sites without taking them on local machine.. -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] FTP Client
Also if it is a Windows based FTP server make sure you play with Passive FTP settings... I know some of them don't work well when setting is kept to passive FTP. Write down all the setting in CuteFTP (windows) and make similar setting in gFTP, FileZilla or whatever and it will work. Your SITE command will be refused by the Windows FTP server, so it can also create problems if one of your settings it to sync the server time stamp. Definitely there are plenty of setting to work on . -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Self Analysis
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Sriram Narayanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:53 AM, ഓം [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.ncomputing.com based solution will help you money and some headache, but I do not know how you could use your old software on that. I believe few PLUG members have experience in setting up such environment. You can take their help. A fun thing to do would be to setup a complete ncomuting equivalent and learn from the effort involved. I would advise to use Linux + OpenOffice combination. Ack on that. And to give a response in context of the original topic, I'd say that the silent workers would be the people who'd actually sit with someone and help them move to Linux + OpenOffice. (Disclaimer: I'm not saying that everyone else just sits and talks away shooting links all over the place :) ) How do you want me to act on it? The willingness has to be there on both the sides... more so on users side because they know their needs more than anybody else. While still on the topic, I know quite a few people who need help about OpenOffice related stuff locally. So if somebody is enterprising there is ample space for OpenOffice expert in local circles... Wonder if there is such a user group of local people. Another piece of (unwanted) advise. Start with your existing PC, and start using OpenOffice instead of MSOffice and then you would learn whatever you need to lean about it. YOu already know Linux... So tell us where you need help and I am sure there are plenty of people willing to help... including the the undersigned. -- Those who can't help themselves can not usually help others! -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Self Analysis
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Sriram Narayanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a small business selling carpets and handicrafts. With the grace of God, my business is now expanding, and I will be able to offer employment to about 10 people. Each of these persons will use MS Office and Internet explorer. I don't have much money right now to opt for high end computers or for licensed software. I'm considering hiring desktops and using pirated copies of Windows and MS Office on those. Are there any legal options available for me ? you perhaps have not read this... http://bindhast.com/career1.htm I can't say this exactly fits your case, but think about what you are saying above again. There are plenty of legal options. But based on your name, I would ask you a simple Q, Why was was Shriiraam called मर्यादापुरुषोत्तम? That should help you answer your question yourself... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Self Analysis
needs of accountability and transparency can never be underestimated... -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] Self Analysis
www.ncomputing.com based solution will help you money and some headache, but I do not know how you could use your old software on that. I would advise to use Linux + OpenOffice combination. -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
Re: [OT]Mail filtering (Re: [PLUG] FOSS for Maths meet at BP)
Let us think of cost of all headers that get added to each message and their percentage ratio to actual content of the message averaged out over the period of trimester. That might give truer figures.. Just a thought in same direction. -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] Self Analysis
Has any measurable figures ever been taken about all the efforts that go on every year? I know this may raise questions but this has bothered me for quite some time. What is the efficacy of all the (hu)man hours that get spent in organizing everything and making lot of noise (obviously i count myself in this lot :-) verses silent people who are contributing more to the cause? Which section contributes more? My opinion is that silent worker lot contributes more but I could be wrong on all counts! -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] Licensing and the Law
Lot of (mis)information happens from all the sides... here is one interesting link which makes somethings simple .. perhaps... http://cr.yp.to/softwarelaw.html -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
