Re: [PLUG] Prav Messaging App project needs your support
On 14/04/23 9:37 am, Yogesh Powar wrote: Hi Praveen, Great news about multi-state cooperative. I have a couple of questions. I could have sent you a direct message, but similar questions might be relevant to others on the list. Is money (a share price of 1000) the only criterion to become a member? Every member has to abide by https://prav.app/coc and we are drafting the byelaws for the coop currently, they will have to follow the byelaws as well. Once we register, the new members will have to be approved by the elected board. Have you explored Matrix (such as element.io <http://element.io> over XMPP) at all? Yes. Philosophically both matrix and XMPP are equivalent due to federation and interoperability. Due to some design choices, we prefer xmpp over matrix (semi-anonymous public groups as we want to use phone number as id, lighter groups due to groups on single servers though that loses some redundancy, etc). See more such questions at https://prav.app/faq/ Matrix costs more in terms of system resources and effort to manage (we have experience of running poddery.com and diasp.in which has both matrix and xmpp). These extra costs do offer some benefits like redundancy of messages, but we feel that may not be required for a general messaging system. Though organizations that can afford to pay more may still find Matrix better. Messages are stored on all participating servers in matrix, and they are stored forever by default, in contrast, xmpp groups are hosted on a single server and by default messages are deleted after some time (this can be configured by the admin). This also means matrix servers have to continuously merge the state and history across all participating servers (this can be thought of like a git repo being forked and merged all the time) and this takes a lot of cpu and ram. Matrix do have better client apps compared to xmpp right now, but we feel this can be improved over time and the rough edges to xmpp clients can be fixed, especially since there is a lot of people coming back to xmpp. We also hope to invest in fixing some of these missing features in xmpp. Thanks Yogesh On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 6:39 PM Pirate Praveen via plug-mail mailto:plug-mail@plug.org.in>> wrote: Hi, We specifically need your help to register a multi state cooperative society, which needs 50 members each from two states and we have 50+ from Kerala and 26 from Maharashtra. If some of you joins and helps find some more members we can register this soon. Read more below Unpopular policies In January 2021, popular messaging app WhatsApp changed their privacy policy to combine all the data it gets with Facebook, giving users only two choices: accept the new privacy policy, or leave WhatsApp altogether. In a world where using WhatsApp has become a norm, that wasn’t really a choice. There were many users who did not like this new privacy policy. They tried to leave WhatsApp for other messaging apps, like Telegram and Signal. A sizable amount of users disagreed with the push by WhatsApp, but leaving a popular app like WhatsApp comes with its own costs—losing touch with contacts on WhatsApp. That meant, unless they were willing to be cut out from a lot of their contacts, people had to still leave one foot in the WhatsApp door. How different the situation is with phone numbers! If you had similar disagreements with a phone company A, you could have easily switch to any other phone company B and still be able to talk to other contacts by calls and SMS. Your contacts need not switch to company B to communicate with you. (In fact, the reason phone companies don’t make decisions like this is because they know customers will immediately leave them for a better provider. The ability for users to leave keeps phone companies under control). A solution: XMPP Imagine if all messaging apps were like phone and email, where users of any app can contact with users of other apps. In the above example, people would have a real choice to leave WhatsApp and just use any other service. This is exactly what we need. XMPP is a protocol that lets this happen. For the uninitiated, you can think of XMPP as a superpowered SMS, which works over the Internet and allows modern features like calls and image-sharing. It’s not a single company like WhatsApp but a standard that different companies can provide for. Messaging apps and services that that use XMPP can talk to each other. Examples of such apps are: Blabber, Snikket, Siskin, and more (think of these like Google SMS, Samsung SMS, Silence, and any other SMS app). Examples of XMPP service providers include disroot.org <http://disroot.org>, poddery.com <http://poddery.com>, monocles.de <http://monocles.de>, and a whole bunch more (t
[PLUG] Prav Messaging App project needs your support
Hi, We specifically need your help to register a multi state cooperative society, which needs 50 members each from two states and we have 50+ from Kerala and 26 from Maharashtra. If some of you joins and helps find some more members we can register this soon. Read more below Unpopular policies In January 2021, popular messaging app WhatsApp changed their privacy policy to combine all the data it gets with Facebook, giving users only two choices: accept the new privacy policy, or leave WhatsApp altogether. In a world where using WhatsApp has become a norm, that wasn’t really a choice. There were many users who did not like this new privacy policy. They tried to leave WhatsApp for other messaging apps, like Telegram and Signal. A sizable amount of users disagreed with the push by WhatsApp, but leaving a popular app like WhatsApp comes with its own costs—losing touch with contacts on WhatsApp. That meant, unless they were willing to be cut out from a lot of their contacts, people had to still leave one foot in the WhatsApp door. How different the situation is with phone numbers! If you had similar disagreements with a phone company A, you could have easily switch to any other phone company B and still be able to talk to other contacts by calls and SMS. Your contacts need not switch to company B to communicate with you. (In fact, the reason phone companies don’t make decisions like this is because they know customers will immediately leave them for a better provider. The ability for users to leave keeps phone companies under control). A solution: XMPP Imagine if all messaging apps were like phone and email, where users of any app can contact with users of other apps. In the above example, people would have a real choice to leave WhatsApp and just use any other service. This is exactly what we need. XMPP is a protocol that lets this happen. For the uninitiated, you can think of XMPP as a superpowered SMS, which works over the Internet and allows modern features like calls and image-sharing. It’s not a single company like WhatsApp but a standard that different companies can provide for. Messaging apps and services that that use XMPP can talk to each other. Examples of such apps are: Blabber, Snikket, Siskin, and more (think of these like Google SMS, Samsung SMS, Silence, and any other SMS app). Examples of XMPP service providers include disroot.org, poddery.com, monocles.de, and a whole bunch more (think of these as different service providers, like BSNL, Vi, or Airtel). To drive home the point: any user registered on any XMPP service can talk to other users of any other XMPP service. (disroot.org users and poddery.com users can send each other messages, just like BSNL users can exchange SMSes and calls with people on Airtel). This gives users choice of service providers: a single company does not control everything, and we won’t be forced to accept arbitrary terms by services like WhatsApp to be in touch with others. Ease of adoption Unfortunately, the current onboarding process on most XMPP services is not user friendly at all compared to WhatsApp. This issue, combined with the lack of awareness about XMPP services among common people, has made mass adoption difficult. Things don’t have to be this way, and Quicksy is a leading example of this. Like WhatsApp, Quicksy allows users to register in a few taps by entering their phone number and receiving an OTP. But because it’s an XMPP service, Quicksy users can talk to users on other XMPP services. We are developing the Prav app to complement Quicksy by providing a compatible app (Prav users can talk with Quicksy users) and offering more choice to users. People can easily sign up for Prav in the same way they do for Quicksy, but now they have more than one alternative to choose from. Before, the choice only existed for people willing to figure out the complex setup process on other XMPP providers; with Prav they now have another easy-to-set-up alternative. Respects users’ freedom Our app is ‘free software’, which means users get freedom to run, study, modify, share and share the modified versions. When we say ‘free’, we mean ‘freedom’ and not ‘free-of-cost’. To avoid ambiguity of the word ‘free’, we also call it swatantra software. Examples of free software are VLC Media Player, Firefox, Debian, Quicksy, Prav etc. You can learn more about Free Software and why it is important here 1. This means that the original source code behind a swatantra app is freely available for anyone to inspect; people can conduct independent security audits instead of having to trust a company’s word about what data they are or are not collecting. Such an auditing can also verify whether the app sends messages in end-to-end encrypted form or not. In contrast, WhatsApp does not provide source code for their app and we can never verify independently whether the app encrypts messages as they
Re: [PLUG] Need information on Linux Compatible Laptops
You can find good models here. https://h-node.org/notebooks/catalogue/en/1/1/undef/A-platinum/2014/undef/undef/undef/undef/undef But all of them are released last year. If any of you have a new laptop released this year, please add them to h-node.org It is a crowd sourced database, so the more people contribute the more useful it becomes. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ plug-mail mailing list plug-mail@plug.org.in http://list.plug.org.in/listinfo/plug-mail
Re: [PLUG] Why I won't be speaking at FOSSsumMIT 2104
2014-08-01 23:57 GMT+05:30 ThinRhino thinrh...@gmail.com: Folks, I was scheduled to give a talk at FOSSsumMIT 2104, but I was asked to use a Open Source License compliant operating system to give the talk. I have blogged about it in detail here - http://adityalaghate.in/no-to-symbolism.html I think the message of FOSS would be stronger if people who advocate its use are using it themselves. The reason, I invoke this thread / discussion is that this happened to me at two conferences and the common denominator was PLUG. I used be an active member of the list in it's heydays. I have used linux as my primary operating system ever since Redhat 6 (prior to it being split into Fedora RHEL). Used openSuse, debian ubuntu over the years. About 3 years back I moved to using a macbook pro, running OS X. I wish more people using Free Software understood the freedom aspect... This is my primary OS. I regularly work on projects, which utilise Linux based servers, so even today, I spent a good amount of time working with Linux. I am not a nerd or nor a geek, but somebody, who loves to play experiment with technology. Having spent a good amount of my time (close to 10-12 years) with Linux on various hardwares I am fully aware of the challenges the GNU/Linux ecosystem can throw at you. I used to love solving those challenges earlier. Now it just frustrates me. Indeed this is really frustrating even after solving so many problems, it is like a catch 22 situation. We made great progress in dual boot option by allowing resize of existing partitions, allowing side by side installations etc, and now Microsoft broke it with UEFI and secure boot. Today, I prefer to work with a system that 'just works' I can concentrate on utilising Open Source Licensed tool chains and applications to do my work. It would be nice if you can come up with a list of things that don't work for you. It would help us to fix those issues for everyone. I have not been able to understand the insistence by members of PLUG to use open source licensed OS for my presentation. My talk was titled, 'Data Analysis using Python Pandas'. It would create a bad impression on a FOSS conference to have to use OS X to run a Python app. If you ask for help porting your app, you may get some volunteers to help you. If we know the library issues you are talking about, we may be able to help you. If PLUG can make clear of it's stand it will be great. This not an official statement of PLUG. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Let's take diaspora to every campus in and around Pune
What is Diaspora? Diaspora is social networking platform build as Free Software and run by people who care about freedom and privacy. See http://diasporafoundation.org Why Diaspora? Freedom of speech and expression is fundamental to any democracy. When people are always watched they would not dare to express anything that will cause annoyance to people in power in fear of retaliation. When no one dares to speak up we will end up in a dictatorship and lose all our freedoms. It is for us to decide if we want to give up the freedoms which we got through sacrifices of so many people or fight when we can. With diaspora, there is no central service to watch unlike services like facebook or twitter or google plus. If anyone want to watch every diaspora user, they will have to watch every single diaspora service, run by people around the world subjected to different privacy laws. Also most people who run diaspora care about privacy and they will fight any attempt to spy on its users. For facebook or google plus, making money out of personal data is most important and they wouldn't bother fighting for our rights. And it is not a paranoia, we have proof that US government have been spying on every user of facebook, skype, etc as part of the prism and many other secret programs, which were revealed by Edward Snowden. Read more about these revelations at http://www.theguardian.com/world/the-nsa-files With diaspora, we have a choice of providers and some of us are running our own diaspora service with money collected from people around the world. https://poddery.com is run by people from Indian foss community. What can you do? Since we are building a social network, we need people using it. If you join and start using it, your friends would be more likely to join. Right now, using diaspora is a contribution in itself. Can you sign up for a diaspora account and post something once a week? Can you tell your friends to join diaspora? We don't have big marketing machines like google or facebook have and if we want diaspora to succeed, we got to market it ourselves. Are you good in making posters and banners? Can you help make some for diaspora? We are taking the message of diaspora to every campus we can reach. Can you join in and help out? http://yatra.diasporafoundation.org We are meeting tomorrow at Bal Gandharv to plan how to take diaspora to every campus in and around Pune. If you care about privacy, free speech and democracy, join us in this fight. If we lose the freedoms, it would be too late. RSVP http://www.meetup.com/Diaspora/Pune/566862/ (please RSVP if you are coming). Would diaspora solve all the problems of privacy? Definitely not, we have much more to do to protect our privacy. If you are using whatsapp, you may consider secure and Free Software replacements like telegram and kontalk. We have to make a better replacement for gmail (there is a project going on at mailpile.is - once this becomes usable, I plan to get out of gmail completely, I already use praveen at debian.org for most private purposes and use gpg encryption when the other person have a gpg key). But how do we catch terrorists if governments can't read our email? Don't be under any illusion that they are looking at our communications to catch bad people. No, this is not about that, but about power and control. Do you think US government is looking for terrorists when they are listening to German Chancellor Angela Merckel, Brazilian President Dilma Rouseff, United Nations conventions or European parliament? Also watch this ted talk to get an idea of how serious it is www.ted.com/talks/mikko_hypponen_how_the_nsa_betrayed_the_world_s_trust_time_to_act.html Also many a times our own government, politicians and powerful people are involved in crimes. Many a times, crimes continue, not because we don't know who the criminals are but they are influential and powerful and no one wants to stop them. The only solution to keep our freedoms is to build Free Software for every communication need and build and maintain community infrastructure for our communication needs rather than depending on private companies who wants to sell our data to make profit. There is already such communities like autistici.org and riseup.net. As people who understand technology, it is now our responsibility to build and operate these communication infrastructures for everyone's freedom. We already started this process with poddery.com We will have to raise money from people, buy servers and run these services for everyone. Would you join us? Our freedoms are at stake. It would be much harder for our future generations if we give up now. When our grand children can't access wikipedia [wikipedia is banned in China - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Wikipedia], they will ask us why did you not do anything when they were taking away your freedoms. RSVP for tomorrow's meeting http://www.meetup.com/Diaspora/Pune/566862/ -- പ്രവീണ്
Re: [PLUG] Still no _good_ devnagari terminal in sight?
2013/11/30 Shridhar Daithankar ghodech...@ghodechhap.net: On Saturday, November 23, 2013 10:35:34 AM Mayuresh wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:00:09AM +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: NCST had http://www.cdacmumbai.in/projects/indix/screenshot/ncst-term.shtml which I do not know if they still support and maintain. Mentioned about that in my 2010 post also. It is dead. http://indiclanguagecomputing.wordpress.com/2011/01/06/devanagari-support -on-gnome-terminal/ is a more recent attempt - a project work by CoEP students. Read that as well. gnome as it is had (as of my 2010 post also) devanagari support and still has it as rudimentary shape. As per web searches mlterm is supposed to be the best of the attempts so far, though it never worked for me. I would like to experiment with this on konsole. Can you recommend a fixed width devnagari font to try with? I searched but raghu/lohit etc don't have fixed width font. Otherwise a bug report against konsole for using any available font is in order. konsole has support for Indian languages from last few versions. See screenshot from KDE 4.11(the cursor moves faster though) -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] [X-post] Fwd: Debian Project News - July 8th, 2013
Congratuations Nitesh on your first package in debian! Happy to see a new contributor from India! He is an engineering student from Bangalore. Hope this inspires more of his friends to start contributing! Thanks also to your mentoring efforts to bring in new contributors. If any of you or your friends are interested to learn packaging, you can reply here or contact me directly. -- Forwarded message -- From: David Prévot taf...@debian.org Date: Jul 9, 2013 12:00 AM Subject: Debian Project News - July 8th, 2013 To: debian-n...@lists.debian.org The Debian Projecthttp://www.debian.org/ Debian Project Newsdebian-public...@lists.debian.org July 8th, 2013http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2013/14/ Welcome to this year's fourteenth issue of DPN, the newsletter for the Debian community. Topics covered in this issue include: * All Debian source are belong to us * Updating delegations * Debian Trademark Team * Architectures supported in Jessie * Other news * New Debian Contributors * Important Debian Security Advisories * New and noteworthy packages * Work-needing packages * Want to continue reading DPN? All Debian source are belong to us -- Stefano Zacchiroli introduced a new service [1] for browsing and searching through all the source code provided in Debian packages: sources.debian.net [2]. 1: http://upsilon.cc/~zack/blog/posts/2013/07/introducing_sources.debian.net/ 2: http://sources.debian.net/ Updating delegations Following his previous announcement about revocation of obsolete delegations [3], Lucas Nussbaum has updated the delegation for the Policy Editors [4], welcoming Jonathan Nieder to the team, and the delegation for the summer of code administrators [5], welcoming Sukhbir Singh officially among them. More updates will follow. 3: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/06/msg3.html 4: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/06/msg4.html 5: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/06/msg5.html Debian Trademark Team - Lucas Nussbaum mentioned that Debian does now have a Trademark Team [6]. A more official announcement is still to come. Besides answering trademark use requests, the Trademark Team is currently working on getting the Debian logo registered, and on clarifying the status of Debian-related domain names. 6: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2013/06/msg00132.html Architectures supported in Jessie - During their previous sprint [7], the Debian System Administrators (DSA) set a list of requirements [8] they consider necessary to support a port for the next stable release. They listed some specific concerns for the following architectures: armel, armhf, hurd, mips, mipsel, sparc, and s390/x. Most of them are currently being addressed, but porters may welcome help. 7: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2013/13/#dsasprint 8: http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2013/06/msg00606.html Other news -- The thirty-third issue of the miscellaneous news for developers [9] has been released, covering the following topics: * a summary of the Debian System Administration sprint * the introduction of the sources.debian.net [10] service * the release of the source code of the search engine behind codesearch.debian.net [11] * a list of packages that have never had a bug filed against them [12], and which can serve as a starting point to get more involved in Debian quality assurance work * various improvements to the central package overview for developers [13] 9: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/07/msg1.html 10: http://sources.debian.net/ 11: http://codesearch.debian.net 12: http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/nobugs.cgi 13: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php New Debian Contributors --- Seven applicants have been accepted [14] as Debian Developers, and six people have started to maintain packages [15] since the previous issue of the Debian Project News. Please welcome Boris Pek, Russell Stuart, Mazen Neifer, Sukhbir Singh, Rodolfo García Peñas, Barry Warsaw, Helmut Grohne, Marius Gavrilescu, Graham Inggs, Sebastian Gibb, ShuxiongYe, Tz- Huan Huang and Nitesh A Jain into our project! 14: https://nm.debian.org/public/nmlist#done 15: http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/new-maintainers.cgi Important Debian Security Advisories Debian's Security Team recently released advisories for these packages (among others): nginx [16], icedove [17], wordpress [18], xml-security-c [19], puppet [20], iceweasel [21], kfreebsd-9 [22], and curl [23]. Please read them
[PLUG] [Job] Opening at Fairphone for android/low level expert
Position Opening Open source junkie, Amsterdam-based - If you want it, apply ASAP :-) #Fairphone has a strong focus on open source, #openhardware and #opendesign practices. We are looking for an #opensource junkie to extend the team to mature our open source strategy, engage with our open source communities in #developing , supporting and porting existing open source software to work on the Fairphone, but also assist our product manager in engaging with the ODM and its subcontractors to create a truly open source product. You have development experience with open source mobile OS's at firmware level (Android, Firefox OS, Ubuntu). You don't panic when people start asking you questions about SOC's/ODM's/Bootloader/GPL/ #Linux kernels/GIT/firmware. You think it is cool to work at a start-up and love entrepreneurial environments, where you're not only focussing on a single task or domain. You have great communication skills, because you will be dealing with real people… in person, but don't worry, most of it will be through email. Preferable: You have some experience with dealing with ODM/OEMs. You need to speak fluent English. People occasionally call you #nerd or #geek. APPLY: Send letter of interest and experience to i...@fairphone.com . Subject Line: Position: Open source junkie https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2752482 -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Save poddery.com - running our own diaspora pod, prism spying program, privacy etc
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, Last month's meeting (wheezy release party) we discussed about diaspora and I mentioned we are going to run a fund raising campaign to buy server hosting and run our won pod. We have launched the campaign two days back. Please see http://savepoddery.com I hope some of you can contribute financially and all of you can help spread the word. Even 50 or 100 rupees from a lot of people would amount to a good total. Please share about it in all your social networks and also tell all your friends about it. Above all start using diaspora today and I know all of you are by now aware about how US government spy on all google, facebook, twitter, skype and many other big compnay services. This is our chance to protect our data and our communications from the Big Brother state. About prism http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data How to break out of prism http://prism-break.org/ and a courageous interview of the person who leaked the secret documents about the largest spying program in the world http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance it is really inspiring and if you think you have nothing to hide and you don't mind government reading your mail or listening to your phone calls read http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461 Cheers Praveen - -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRt3ULAAoJEM4fnGdFEsIqTvsP/0BZNa5zhhpogBpAo3j45oxb CkPDKU5b+ZoS5rvtGwRr9zX36BoW5omiTCVWjIudnXKvVfiBLXM3GujYhcfcdBdv NJr0F21o8ZzCCMWKs3iFAGO/Mu6xUqleFOzvNGMsRhZVUjnNjCzuzBPn9W2dZUub XVAUvGd2L8hy3DpeuYtLwKaJBuFMm6FO71DvJFRsXquUZaM0oYOEI2J6vsniu5Mt pakojU0EtCs6GVssdR16FrENJKjcefp0jkUfk/IeMsVV0PFE7+H/WWrlj5A3njTO dwArUTyCfYnlAcg6OHOizxskM37hK/xn4WTUIhKuJrGqr3DucWJy9MwDIP7CdqQa SH3Kr5SzQ29bRkEpbAF65zIT4W1VT+Xa3464n8MnSpylr6E5VDm524IlGacwbboI SE6hz9IdWcca+wo0nifudJKFTCrTU8bU4O653ges+bnkIXSBJNcJyLPZtm8oN+tP m+SJD0JO1F2FyFvhi+1wMMBWZexQfGWMMRDPtADIqSE0xJALFZ60e40xbaBAMId4 lECvKeR1in9Qlu78zn9fvwt/Upb95BZdnPEeMgFjqduUDUO7hm0hU1j8Lcgl/QBA nTMtK/jlPBEViEIxIkiPTc+7vm6Vxrhno/UbI+tBjZ8ic20qcfZHRGOJOcxzLIBi JUiUtObhAHBbETkEkbe+ =Ai12 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Fwd: [ilugd] RIP Atul
Atul Chitnis will be remembered and missed. Thanks for foss.in and bringing so many people to Free Software world. RIP. -- Forwarded message -- From: Gaurav Mishra gauravtec...@gmail.com Date: 2013/6/3 Subject: [ilugd] RIP Atul To: ilugd il...@lists.linux-delhi.org Just came to know from twitter. Atul Chitnis is no more http://www.nextbigwhat.com/atul-chitnis-297/ Very disturbing to see some great souls Raj and Atul going after one another. I still remember Atul and Raj encounter couple of times in ILUGD. Hope they have some great discussions now. You'll be remembered Atul. Regards, Gaurav Mishra # Blog: http://www.gmishra.com # Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/gmishra # LinkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/in/gauravmishra7 ___ Ilugd mailing list il...@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Request for Support on Open Source Contribution
2013/5/29 Harish Navnit harrygreengh...@gmail.com: Good Morning , I sent a mail yesterday regarding request for support. I wasn't a part of the mailing list back then. I am now posting the same mail again as I am not sure if the previous mail was posted on the mailing list. I am eagerly waiting for a response. Please lend me support. This is the copy of the mail. Hello everyone, I'm a student of Amrita Vishwa Vidyapeetham in Kollam,kerala and a resident of Pune. I'm a member of the FOSS club in my college. I'm now spending my vacations in Pune am eagerly looking forward to contributing to open source projects. I would also like to learn more about open source softwares like the Linux and the functioning of the Pune Linux User Group itself. Nice to hear from you! I would like to have a mentor who could guide me during the course of my vacation , which ends on July 10th. If you are interested in learning debian packaging, I can mentor you. Also I may be able to find you a mentor if there are specific areas you want to focus. I have subscibed to the mailing list , yet to recieve the confirmation e-mail. The link to the membership form returned Error 404-Not Found. So i couldn't get the form for formal membership. I would be very glad if I could get some help/support for the above stated Looking forward to hear your interests. Warm Regards, Thanking You, R.Harish Navnit 9923442331 Thank You again, R.Harish Navnit 9923442331 ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Rails Girls Summer of Code
Rails Girls Summer of Code helps Rails Girls students get into Open Source. Just like in Google Summer of Code and Ruby Summer of Code, students will be paid so they're free to work on Open Source projects for a few months. Unlike those programs, the Rails Girls Summer of Code is about helping students to further expand their knowledge and skills by contributing to a great Open Source project (rather than producing highly sophisticated code). http://railsgirlssummerofcode.org/ If anyone is interested to apply or want to know more, talk to me. Thanks Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] [CoFSUG] Debian Wheezy Release Party tomorrow
2013/5/10 Arun Khan knu...@gmail.com: On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Praveen A prav...@gmail.com wrote: Join us for #Debian #Wheezy release party in #Pune When: Saturday 11th May, 5:00 pm Where: SICSR, Atur Centre, Model Colony, Pune Room No 704, 7th floor ( room no. may change ) http://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyWheezy/India/Pune Nice - please post some pics from the event. https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2612917 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2611714 -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] [confirmation] PLUG meeting on 11th May, 4pm @SICSR
2013/5/3 Manjusha Joshi manjusha.jo...@gmail.com: Hello,* *PLUG meeting for month of May 2013 is scheduled on next Saturday 11th May, 4:00 pm @ SICSR While celebrating wheezy with MSc FOSS students yesterday (https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2596575), Karunakar suggested we could do a party at this coming PLUG meet. Can we do it? -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Fwd: [smc-discuss] Fwd: Student Proposals Now Being Accepted for Google Summer of Code 2013
-- Forwarded message -- From: Hrishi hrishi...@gmail.com Date: Apr 23, 2013 1:14 AM Subject: [smc-discuss] Fwd: Student Proposals Now Being Accepted for Google Summer of Code 2013 To: Discussion list of Swathanthra Malayalam Computing disc...@lists.smc.org.in Hi all, Please find our application format here : * http://wiki.smc.org.in/SoC/2013/application-template* , there is a slight change in the application template so please update the application if you have already prepared it. You have to submit your final application here : http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/smc * Make sure you have completed following task to get qualified, failing to complete any task will results in rejecting your application.* - You have subscribed with the SMC mailinglisthttp://lists.smc.org.in/listinfo.cgi/discuss-smc.org.in(and SILPA mailinglist http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/silpa-discuss for SILPA projects) - Your application is available on Project wikihttp://wiki.smc.org.in/SMCunder your userspace - Your application is submitted to google-melange In addition to the written proposal, we require every GSoC applicant to do this: - Do create an account on the SMC wiki and start a wiki page for your proposal(Under your userpage). Keep it updated. - We expect every GSoC participant to maintain a blog (If not, already) and post about their project's status, development, etc. - Update the project status in the mailing list regularly with a meaningful subject-line (don't use something like 'GSoC Project Update ') -- Forwarded message -- On Tuesday, 23 April 2013 00:35:08 UTC+5:30, carols wrote: Hi there, We are pleased to announce that we are now accepting applications from students to participate in Google Summer of Code 2013. Please check out the FAQs [1], timeline [2], and student manual [3] if you are unfamiliar with the process. You can also read the Melange manual if you need help with Melange [4]. The deadline to apply is May 3 at 19:00 UTC [5]. Late proposals will not be accepted for any reason. [1] - http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page# [2] - http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 [3] - http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCstudentguide/ [4] - http://en.flossmanuals.net/melange/students-students-application-phase/ [5] - http://goo.gl/ZSYyp Cheers, Carol -- --- Regards, Hrishi | Stultus http://stultus.in ___ Swathanthra Malayalam Computing discuss Mailing List Project: https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/smc Web: http://smc.org.in | IRC : #smc-project @ freenode disc...@lists.smc.org.in http://lists.smc.org.in/listinfo.cgi/discuss-smc.org.in ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Fwd: {ABACUS} Fwd: SMC got selected as a Google Summer of Code 2013 mentoring organization
All students interested in Indian language computing projects get ready to
apply with smc (check the list of organizations selected this year too).
-- Forwarded message --
From: Hrishi hrishi...@gmail.com
Date: Apr 9, 2013 12:47 AM
Subject: {ABACUS} Fwd: SMC got selected as a Google Summer of Code 2013
mentoring organization
To: allforaba...@googlegroups.com, mes-f...@googlegroups.com,
ilug-tvm ilug-...@googlegroups.com, fsug-idk
fsug-...@googlegroups.com, fsug-cali...@freelists.org
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From: Hrishi hrishi...@gmail.com
Date: 2013/4/9
Subject: We got selected as a Google Summer of Code 2013 mentoring
organization
To: Discussion list of Swathanthra Malayalam Computing
disc...@lists.smc.org.in
Dear All,
Relly Happy to announce that We are selected for Google Summer of Code
2013.
Google Summer of Code (GSoC) is a program that offers student developers
stipends
to write code for various open source projects. and this is the second time
we are
being selected as a mentoring organization.
If you are a student and would be interested in participating in GSoC with
Swathanthra Malayalam Computing
as your mentoring organization, please take a look at our GSoC Ideas page:
http://wiki.smc.org.in/SoC/2013/Project_ideas
and you can find our application template here:
http://wiki.smc.org.in/SoC/2013/application-template
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പ്രിയപ്പെട്ടവരേ..
ഇത്തവണത്തെ ഗൂഗിള് സമ്മര് ഓഫ് കോഡിന് നമ്മള് മെന്ററിങ്ങ് ഓര്ഗനൈസേഷനായി
തിരഞ്ഞെടുക്കപ്പെട്ട വിവരം
സന്തോഷത്തോടെ അറിയിക്കട്ടെ.. :)
നിങ്ങള് ഒരു സ്വതന്ത്രമലയാളം കമ്പ്യൂട്ടിങ്ങിനെ മെന്ററിങ്ങ് ഓര്ഗനൈസേഷനായി
തിരഞ്ഞെടുത്ത് പ്രൊജക്റ്റുകള് ചെയ്യാന് താല്പര്യമുള്ള ഒരു
വിദ്യാര്ത്ഥിയാണെങ്കില് നമ്മുടെ പ്രൊജക്റ്റ്
ഐഡിയകള് ലിസ്റ്റ് ചെയ്ത താള് കാണുക :
http://wiki.smc.org.in/SoC/2013/Project_ideas
അപ്ലിക്കേഷന് ടെംപ്ലേറ്റ് ഇവിടെ കാണാം :
http://wiki.smc.org.in/SoC/2013/application-template
ആഹ്ലാദത്തോടെ,
(കഴിഞ്ഞ മെയിലില് സബ്ജക്റ്റില് വര്ഷം തെറ്റായി ആയിരുന്നു
രേഖപ്പെടുത്തിയിരുന്നത് , സന്തോഷാധിക്യത്താല് പറ്റിയ തെറ്റാണ് സദയം
ക്ഷമിക്കുമല്ലോ.. :) )
--
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Regards,
Hrishi | Stultus
http://stultus.in
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http://stultus.in
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[PLUG] Fwd: Debian joins Free Open Source Software Outreach Program for Women
-- Forwarded message -- From: Mònica Ramírez mon...@debian.org Date: Apr 8, 2013 4:40 AM Subject: Debian joins Free Open Source Software Outreach Program for Women To: debian-devel-annou...@lists.debian.org Free Open Source Software Outreach Program for Women == The GNOME Foundation started the Free Open Source Software Outreach Program for Women, OPW, in 2006. It was quite successful, and in the January-April 2013 round, many other FOSS organizations joined the program. We are happy to announce that Debian will participate in the next round (June-September) and we'll offer one internship. You can find more details about the program: * http://wiki.debian.org/OutreachProgramForWomen with details about Debian's participation. * http://live.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen with details about the program in general. Call for mentors and projects = OPW allows applicants to work on any kind of project, including coding, design, marketing, web development... The Debian Google Summer of Code projects will be offered also as possible projects for OPW, but GSoC only allows coding projects. If you have any idea of a non-coding project and you want to mentor it, please contact us in the soc-coordination list (the same list that is used for GSoC coordination) adding [OPW] in subject. OPW works in the same way as GSoC except Google doesn't play a part here. The same advice that is provided for GSoC mentors works for OPW mentors. Call for participants = The main goal of this program is to increase the number of women in FOSS, so all women who are not yet a Debian Developer or a Debian Maintainer are encouraged to apply. There are no age restrictions and applicants don't need to be a student. If you want to apply, you must follow three steps: 1. Choose a project from the lists linked from http://wiki.debian.org/OutreachProgramForWomen There are two lists, one for GSoC and another with non-coding tasks that can be only offered by the OPW. Those lists may change and add or remove more projects in the next few weeks. 2. Make a small contribution to Debian. Projects will add a task the applicant must complete as part of the pre-selection process. If no task is provided, you are welcome to ask the mentors of the project. You can also make a different extra task of the one listed to show your skills and interest. 3. Create a page in the Debian wiki with your application. You can do so under pseudonym, but in that case, please give us information about yourself privately by email to the people below! The Debian OPW coordinators Mònica Ramírez Arceda mon...@debian.org Ana Guerrero López a...@debian.org Patty Langasek harmo...@dodds.net ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Future of lugs/fsugs
May be because the new users already get support on the internet and they don't need a lug to help them. In place of lugs we have at least some developer communities coming up, kde india and debian India, I know of. We have to move ahead of user support to more of code contributions and for non-techie people, we should focus on philosophy, free knowledge/wikipedia, free culture, mapping, localization etc. We have to build new communities where lugs and fsugs left us. We have to think about our current challenges like drm, patents, hardware drivers, communication infrastructures like our own diaspora pod etc and come together as communities to solve them. http://fosscommunity.in is such an initiative - going beyond user groups. Started as a comment to https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2485214 ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Save Poddery.com campaign - looking for interested people
Hi, I hope you all know about diaspora project to create a decentralized social network where users have privacy and control over their personal data. So far we have got the code in pretty good shape (basic features like sharing status, photos, hash tags and private messages are there). We still need to add some features like groups, events, albums, native apps for mobile phones etc to compete with the popular social networks there. Since there is no business interest in such an idea we are depending on people like you for everything (the project was started with direct financial contributions from people around the world and it is still run from people's contributions). The best contribution you can give is using it, because a social network is meaningless without people using it. You could either wait for your friends who may not care about privacy and freedoms to join or you can start using it right now like so many people around the world and make it compelling for your friends to join. You decide which is more likely and more important to you. So that was a brief introduction about the diaspora project. This mail is in particular to introduce a new campaign we are starting to save an early diaspora pod (a pod is a server running diaspora software) poddery.com its current admin wants to stop running this service and a few of us from diaspora community is coming out to keep this service running at poddery.comwe are going to run a fund raising campaign to raise enough funds to run it for an year on a good vps. You can also join us and help us. Are you good at promoting ideas? Can you write well? Are you a good designer? Can you design posters? Can you design a website? Can you shoot video? Can you edit video? Or simply can you share the news among your friends using any methods available to you? If you are interested get in touch with us on community mailing list at http://lists.fosscommunity.in we'll be meeting tonight at 10pm on irc to discuss the plan. So drop in if you want to join in or have some questions channel is #fosscommunity.in and server is irc.freenode.net if you are new to irc, you can access it via your web browser at http://webchat.freenode.net Note 1: there are other ways to contribute too like packaging diaspora for debian, fedora etc let me know if you are interested. We meet every Sunday at 8pm on #debian-diaspora on irc.oftc.net for people new to irc, use mibbit.com Note 2: if you are interested to contribute code directly, let me know too. Diaspora is built on ruby on rails framework. If there is some interest, we can organize workshops too. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Raspberry Pi broad
2013/2/27 पारस bepa...@gmail.com: Hi All, I am planing to buy Raspberry Pi broad. Is any buddy know the official distributor of it in India. I heard that, there is one company in Bangalore, official distributer of the board. I google it but didn't get any link. Is any body have any idea. I bought 2 Raspberry Pi boards from RS components in UK (http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi). You may also try this http://export.farnell.com/rp/order/index.html?region=apac some of my friends ordered it from them. You can also order from Kits n Spares in Bangalore. http://shopping.kitsnspares.com/bon1/productdescription.asp?id=482662 We use it to teach basic computers to women in Pandav Nagar (see http://wiki.pirateparty.org.in/index.php?title=Pirate_Computing_Center for more). We had demoed it at GNUnify and at GMRT during Science Day last week. If you want to try it out, come down to Pandav Nagar on any Saturday. Please coordinate with me offlist. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Proposal for change from the current state of the list.
2013/1/23 Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com: Dear Pluggies, We are all aware of the mailing list issues and various threads about the same. After going through them and considering list-members reactions, there were lot of discussions off-list with moderators and many others about the issues. Finally, the time has come to change things. Good to hear this proposed change. This is the proposal for change from the current state of the list. Please do send your comments, suggestions. 1. All the users moderation flag (that is currently set) to be removed. +1 Any new member joining the list will not get a moderation flag set. If we really don't want to moderate new users, there should be a good spam filter, otherwise we'll be flooded with spam like people earlier commented. 2. All the current filters to be removed and started from scratch. Let us use the list of filters from Arun Khan's mail to start of the new filters list. 3. Any change (add/delete/modify) of filter and add/remove moderation flag for a list member and removing of any list member is to be done by voting. 15 votes in favour of the proposal required for approval. (eg. 20 votes in favour and 5 negative votes is OK) I don't think this is a good idea. In my opinion, only spam needs to be prevented. If people don't want to see mails from certain persons (not spam bots), it is better they set their own personal filters. 4. There will be moderator/s but they will act only once in a week. This is considering that there will be hardly anything in moderation and there will be less filters applicable. Moderators identities will not be disclosed. Like someone earlier proposed, more moderators and best effort would be better I think. 5. It is the responsibility of the list members to maintain the list active, vibrant and useful. If they feel that some member or post (top posting to be allowed or not?) is not appropriate, they should propose action against it and that will also be passed through voting. Like proposed above, unless it is obvious spam, we should discuss it with the person posting and if they continues and no one supports that person then only he be moderated. Even if one other person thinks the mail is on topic, individual filters by offended members may be better than moderating. 6. Considering the above, it will be decided on the list itself if the list is to be declared moderated or un-moderated. 7. All these decisions will be posted on the PLUG website and will be updated according to the decisions on the list. Good. RFC remains open till 31 Jan 2013, during which all the initial filters, moderation methods etc will be crystalised. After that, from Feb 1, 2013, the decisions will be implemented. Please start different thread for suggesting/approving/voting for filters or other actions. Currently, all these postings will also undergo current filter rules and moderation. Moderators will ensure that there is minimal delay in responding to these mails. Please comment/suggest on these points and/or any other things if you have in mind. Thanks and regards, --Sudhanwa Jogalekar ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Mailing list issues - Quick vote
2013/1/5 Thin Rhino trml...@gmail.com: The issue is been dragged on for ages and I also see a lot of confusion on what is expected. A quick vote should help. A: Open up the list completely, no moderation B: Remove restrictive moderation, keep basic moderation in place C: Let it be as it is, no change Please vote: A: +1 or B: +1 or C +1 A: +1 if we can have good spam filter or B: +1 if only first mail is moderated just to stop spam. and C: -1 we have to change the current way. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Creator of RSS passes away
2013/1/21 Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay sankarshan.mukhopadh...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Praveen A prav...@gmail.com wrote: Was Martin Luther King breaking the law when he broke segregation law? There's a bit of tautology in the above statement. I wanted to say, when he boarded the bus, but then I was not sure of the exact incident that happened. I should rephrase it to (after having a chance to look the exact incident), Was Rosa Parks breaking the law when she refused to leave the front seat to a white man an the 1st of December 1955, at Montgomery, Alabama? [1] 1. http://www.holidays.net/mlk/rosa.htm -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Mailing list issues - Quick vote
2013/1/9 Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay sankarshan.mukhopadh...@gmail.com: I have been reading this thread for a while. And, not just this iteration. There are a couple of things which leave me a bit upset. One, the original email from Sudhanwa left more issues un-addressed than it did by way of explanation. The exposition was more (admittedly, paraphrasing) certain issues compel things to be the way they are, persons unnamed (due to safety in anonymity) are discussing and changes may happen. Unfortunately, most of the traffic on the list subsequently has been about the issue. The expected nature of traffic on an UserGroup list is never always limited to let's dissect what is wrong with the mailman settings for this list. Because that approach defines an oddly practised form of tautology. I've been lurking on this list for a while now. And, while the genesis of the crisis - lack of traffic - may have been due to settings, the lack of traffic itself is very upsetting. There could be a number of reasons for that - specialized groups and forums are available to discuss everything under the sun, newbies may not be facing any issues while installation (Paradise Regained - every single piece of new hardware just works !), or, that there is simply nothing to discuss. Whatever may the reason be - that should be thought about. On a side note, this isn't unique - most of the major LUG lists are seeing dwindling traffic. The difference in this case is that it is sharply approached zero. We have to change the narrative now. There definitely are problems that needs to be solved, but the barrier to cross them is higher, so we need more mentors. I think, we have to build a community that can solve it. Probably we need to mentor new people in the community, give them opportunities, allow them to make mistakes, challenge them to take it further, have a continued dialogue. I look at it as an opportunity too as we have crossed the stage of being able to solve our problems ourselves by little fiddling. Now we need to build a community of hackers to solve our problems. Even if we could solve them ourselves, there are so many of them to solve it ourselves. Also, I think this means there is now more upstream contributions happening than activity in the lugs. If you look at debian, fedora, kde etc we have active and thriving communities. I think the role of user groups would be to connect new people, especially students to the larger upstream communities. But there is always scope for a lug to reach out to new campuses with linux install fests. That is the starting point of being part of the community. Even though the people who are already in lug might know how to install GNU/Linux, there are many out there who have not got a chance to enter this community. So I see the role of lugs as, 1. Reach out to new people. 2. Mentor them and connect with the wider community. Note: This is clearly looking at contribution as a a goal and this is my personal goal. Other people might have different ideas on it. Pune has its flagship event in GNUnify - that the LUG list doesn't see much activity is probably something of an oddity. I am old school and while forums like G+ are always welcome (and, I'm happy that individuals have decided to come together to create the community page) in terms of outreach and conversations, a mailing list is more than that. Tooling that measures the vibrancy and activity of communities still use mailman archives to generate graphs. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Creator of RSS passes away
2013/1/18 ag@gmail amarendra.godb...@gmail.com: So do I read it something like this: While walking on the street, I found an unlocked door to a bar and walked in, grabbed a bottle of vodka, gulped it down, and walked out. I was caught, since I was 17. Now blame the bar for having its door unlocked or the person who forgot the bottle of vodka on the table. Don't every utter anything about underage drinking... (though it is illegal). Not exact, but you get the idea. The point is, MIT kept the network open as well thought out policy. It is MIT culture not to restrict their network. Do you not see the proportion as an issue? Agreed, it is rude on Aaron's part to have misused the access, but does it deserve 35 years in jail? Also remember JSTOR did not want to prosecute Aaron. If JSTOR should be free - one should put efforts to gather those many articles on their own. Why steal? Another thing - part of JSTOR fees goes towards paying the authors of those articles, from what I read. By wanting it for free, you also deny rightful money to the very people who put their ideas on paper. I consider this abuse of the term Free... Gandhi did not take away salt from the British, it was rightfully given to those who owned it. In this case, the papers were not rightfully Aaron's or of public... Copying is not stealing and Aaron did not distribute the articles he copied. The people who wrote the papers are already paid. Another thing to consider is that academic writers are paid through salaries and grants; they aren't paid (not directly, anyway) for the publication of their work. The whole system of compensation for academic content is very different from commercial publishing. When you pay for a JSTOR article online, none of the money goes to the author, it goes to the publisher. http://www.theawl.com/2011/08/was-aaron-swartz-stealing We don't need more Aarons, for sure. YMMV. Yes, I believe we need more Aarons and that is why I'm talking about his work with as many people as possible. From the same article, Swartz is being charged with hacker crimes, not copyright-infringement crimes, because he didn't actually distribute any documents, plus JSTOR didn't even want him prosecuted. These charges are: Wire Fraud, Computer Fraud, Unlawfully Obtaining Information from a Protected Computer, Recklessly Damaging a Protected Computer, Aiding and Abetting, and Criminal Forfeiture, and Being Too Smart for Being Such a Young Guy, and That Seems Dangerous (I made up only the last bit.) And closing statement, The conclusion of Lessig's CERN presentation is particularly stirring. We need to recognize in the academy, I think, an ethical obligation [...] An ethical obligation which is at the core of our mission. Our mission is universal access to knowledge—not American university access to knowledge, but universal access to knowledge in every part of the globe. We don't need, for our work, exclusivity; and we shouldn't practice, with our work, exclusivity. And we should name those who do, wrong. Those who do are inconsistent with the ethic of our work. The aims and ideals of Aaron Swartz can, I believe, be laid to some degree at this man's door. That is something I would be very proud of, if I were Lawrence Lessig. Whatever the results of the government's actions against Swartz—and whether or not those actions are ultimately motivated by an instinct toward intellectual property protectionism of the kind demonstrated by the RIAA and others in the U.S.—there can be little doubt that the motives of people like Lawrence Lessig and Aaron Swartz spring from a desire to serve the public good. To that extent we are in their debt, rather than the reverse. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Creator of RSS passes away
2013/1/15 ag@gmail amarendra.godb...@gmail.com: Thanks for this article - from various reading I had the same opinion. I think social activists should as well stop playing Robin Hood... They do more harm to the open software movement than good by such antics! I disagree. He is an inspiration. It is like the civil rights movement and civil disobedience. Was Gandhi breaking the law when he made salt at Danti? Was Martin Luther King breaking the law when he broke segregation law? Yes, but those resulted in changing laws. And there is already a new law being proposed in the US House that would fix CFAA, the archaic law that was used against Aaron. http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/16njr9/im_rep_zoe_lofgren_im_introducing_aarons_law_to/ What we need is more of Aaron Swartz. Downloading research papers, which should be public anyway, does not deserve jail term of 35 years nor a fine of over 1 million dollars. It is maximum a terms of use violation and JSTOR did not press charges further. And the trespassing charge was not pushed by MIT either. So it is just making an example by US government. From The Truth about Aaron Swartz’s “Crime” I know a criminal hack when I see it, and Aaron’s downloading of journal articles from an unlocked closet is not an offense worth 35 years in jail. The facts: MIT operates an extraordinarily open network. Very few campus networks offer you a routable public IP address via unauthenticated DHCP and then lack even basic controls to prevent abuse. Very few captured portals on wired networks allow registration by any visitor, nor can they be easily bypassed by just assigning yourself an IP address. In fact, in my 12 years of professional security work I have never seen a network this open. In the spirit of the MIT ethos, the Institute runs this open, unmonitored and unrestricted network on purpose. Their head of network security admitted as much in an interview Aaron’s attorneys and I conducted in December. MIT is aware of the controls they could put in place to prevent what they consider abuse, such as downloading too many PDFs from one website or utilizing too much bandwidth, but they choose not to. MIT also chooses not to prompt users of their wireless network with terms of use or a definition of abusive practices. At the time of Aaron’s actions, the JSTOR website allowed an unlimited number of downloads by anybody on MIT’s 18.x Class-A network. The JSTOR application lacked even the most basic controls to prevent what they might consider abusive behavior, such as CAPTCHAs triggered on multiple downloads, requiring accounts for bulk downloads, or even the ability to pop a box and warn a repeat downloader. Aaron did not “hack” the JSTOR website for all reasonable definitions of “hack”. Aaron wrote a handful of basic python scripts that first discovered the URLs of journal articles and then used curl to request them. Aaron did not use parameter tampering, break a CAPTCHA, or do anything more complicated than call a basic command line tool that downloads a file in the same manner as right-clicking and choosing “Save As” from your favorite browser. Aaron did nothing to cover his tracks or hide his activity, as evidenced by his very verbose .bash_history, his uncleared browser history and lack of any encryption of the laptop he used to download these files. Changing one’s MAC address (which the government inaccurately identified as equivalent to a car’s VIN number) or putting a mailinator email address into a captured portal are not crimes. If they were, you could arrest half of the people who have ever used airport wifi. The government provided no evidence that these downloads caused a negative effect on JSTOR or MIT, except due to silly overreactions such as turning off all of MIT’s JSTOR access due to downloads from a pretty easily identified user agent. I cannot speak as to the criminal implications of accessing an unlocked closet on an open campus, one which was also used to store personal effects by a homeless man. I would note that trespassing charges were dropped against Aaron and were not part of the Federal case. In short, Aaron Swartz was not the super hacker breathlessly described in the Government’s indictment and forensic reports, and his actions did not pose a real danger to JSTOR, MIT or the public. He was an intelligent young man who found a loophole that would allow him to download a lot of documents quickly. This loophole was created intentionally by MIT and JSTOR, and was codified contractually in the piles of paperwork turned over during discovery. Read the full report http://unhandled.com/2013/01/12/the-truth-about-aaron-swartzs-crime/ -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users
Re: [PLUG] Creator of RSS passes away
2013/1/18 Amarendra Godbole amarendra.godb...@gmail.com: [...] I have read all articles about him, and still maintain my belief - Robin Hoods like him do more harm than good. Probably Free Software needs folks like him, not Open Source. ;-) I guess. That is why we need Free Software and not Open Source ;-) -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Creator of RSS passes away
Can we get together and talk about his work as tribute? One of us can make a presentation, we can listen to some of his talks/interviews together and think about ideas to take his work forward. Anyone up for it? 2013/1/14 Mayuresh mayur...@acm.org: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/technology/aaron-swartz-internet-activist-dies-at-26.html ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Fwd: [Edu-WG] linux/opensource sessions in KTC Vidya Niketan
If anyone is interested, contact Minto. -- Forwarded message -- From: Minto Joseph mintojos...@gmail.com Date: 2012/11/26 Subject: [Edu-WG] linux/opensource sessions in KTC Vidya Niketan To: edu...@lists.pirateparty.org.in Hello, I am talking with someone who is working along with KTC Vidya Niketan, Somwar Peth, Pune and they expressed interest in conducting linux/opensource sessions to the students. Students have no exposure to opensource. The medium could be English. Following time schedules are available. Either or both Tuesday and Thursday from 3:45PM to 5:15PM or from 7:30AM to 8:30AM. As the timings clash with my usual work timing, I am not able to do this. Anyone interested in volunteering? Regards, Minto ___ Edu-WG mailing list edu...@lists.pirateparty.org.in http://lists.pirateparty.org.in/listinfo.cgi/edu-wg-pirateparty.org.in -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Need volunteers to make Ubuntu 10.04 live cd/usb with custom software in it
2012/10/21 Praveen A prav...@gmail.com: Hi folks, As discussed earlier here, we have installed Debian GNU/Linux on lab systems of Hutatma Rajaguru school in Pandav Nagar with help from many volunteers from here (Anand, Aditya, Chitra, Sagar to name a few). There are some systems there running with N Computing's proprietary thin client technology (based on there X550 PCI card with 5 network ports and network monitors from LG - monitors have embedded firmware and are connected to a server with network cables). We are trying to make it work with Free Software, but that will take time and looking to run their proprietary vSpace software to get it to work. But that software is available only for Ubuntu 10.04 and we cannot install anything on those systems. So we need an Ubuntu 10.04 live cd/usb with vSpace software in it. We will also need some more software on it like tux typing, tux paint and gcompris. Let us know if anyone is interested to help us with this task. Cheers Praveen Raju D Vindane has volunteered to help. We'll be hacking on it tomorrow at 3pm at my place in Magarpatta City, Hadapsar (D 203, Jasminium). Everyone interested is invited to join us. Call me on 9561745712 if you are coming. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Fwd: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta3 release
2012/11/6 Arun Khan knu...@gmail.com: [2] What is the procedure for filing bug reports? To date we have followed the guidelines listed here http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting If we don't get any acknowledgement then how should it be interpreted? Can you share the content of the email? May be you missed something? Did you use rich text formatting? You have to send in plain text. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Need volunteers to make Ubuntu 10.04 live cd/usb with custom software in it
2012/10/22 Raju D. Vindane rajuvind...@gmail.com: I am interested, I have done this for quite a few times. I can create ubuntu distros with custom softwares on it. Let me know in a personal mail for any help regarding this. Thanks! I will connect with you offlist. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Fwd: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta3 release
2012/10/21 Arun Khan (অরুণ খান্/अरुण खान) knu...@gmail.com: On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Praveen A prav...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, How about we do a debian installer test day? The last weekly build that I have tried 20/Aug/2012 fails to install grub at the very end.Has this been fixed? Possibly, I didn't get to test it yet. We have to download the new images and try it out on as many different hardware as possible. A link would be helpful. It was there in the original forward. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer We can also try installer in different languages in virtual machines. Nice idea. I usually do a quick eval of new releases in a LKVM guest OS good. Those who don't want to touch their existing installations can install it on a USB external disk. Again a very good idea. I have been doing the above for a few distros to eval them on the real hardware. nice. If there is some interest lets meet at some place and do it together. The more people join, the more fun we can have. I am Mumbai based - so I would appreciate if you can share the experiences in a blog/ article/ or a post to this list. There wasn't much interest from others. I will try it and share how it goes. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Need volunteers to make Ubuntu 10.04 live cd/usb with custom software in it
Hi folks, As discussed earlier here, we have installed Debian GNU/Linux on lab systems of Hutatma Rajaguru school in Pandav Nagar with help from many volunteers from here (Anand, Aditya, Chitra, Sagar to name a few). There are some systems there running with N Computing's proprietary thin client technology (based on there X550 PCI card with 5 network ports and network monitors from LG - monitors have embedded firmware and are connected to a server with network cables). We are trying to make it work with Free Software, but that will take time and looking to run their proprietary vSpace software to get it to work. But that software is available only for Ubuntu 10.04 and we cannot install anything on those systems. So we need an Ubuntu 10.04 live cd/usb with vSpace software in it. We will also need some more software on it like tux typing, tux paint and gcompris. Let us know if anyone is interested to help us with this task. Cheers Praveen ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Need volunteers for GNU/Linux installation at Hutatma Rajguru School in Pandav Nagar (near SICSR)
2012/9/16 Praveen A prav...@gmail.com: Hi, We are planning to teach Free Software to students of Hutatma Rajguru School in Pandav Nagar (near SICSR). They have agreed to let us install GNU/Linux on their lab systems. We are going to install GNU/Linux on 29th September. We'll also be teaching them Free Software every Saturday. if you would like to help us during installation or for teaching part reply here or contact me or shirish off list. More details about this project is at http://wiki.pirateparty.org.in/index.php?title=Pirate_Computing_Center This is inspired by Community Computing Center run by Free Software Movement Karnataka (http://bangalore.aidindia.org/ac3) in Bangalore and initiated by Pirate Party of India (http://pirateparty.org.in). Just an update about the current status. We have started teaching at Hutatma Rajaguru school from last Saturday. You can read two blog posts about it, fiist by shirish http://wp.me/sfuZu-sharings and second by me http://www.j4v4m4n.in/2012/10/08/collecting-people-some-thoughts-and-ideas/ The current plan is detailed at http://wiki.pirateparty.org.in/wiki/Pirate_Computing_Center/Books/Computing_Basics you can contribute your ideas there. All follow up discussions about this inititive will happen on Education Working group of Pirate Party of India http://lists.pirateparty.org.in/listinfo.cgi/edu-wg-pirateparty.org.in If you'd like to participate or want to keep updated about our progress please join there. We'll be going to the school every Saturday at 10.30am. So feel free to join us any of the saturdays you have some free time. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] [CoFSUG] Meeting on 21st Sep , regarding Linux Installation in nearby school
2012/9/18 Praveen A prav...@gmail.com: 1.However about 9-10 people, including myself, have voluntereed for the task. So we all thought of meeting in person , get to know each other, distribute the tasks among ourselves. The meeting details are : Venue : Coep Boat Club Canteen. Date :21st Sep , Friday Time :5pm Rough Agenda : a)Burn .iso images of Debian on DVDs b)Chalk out a plan of action things to be done before going to school. We need to be prepared for everything. c)We need people to take up tasks like someone coordinating with school, someone coordinating among we volunteers etc 2.Coep ie College of Engineering , Pune is situated near Sancheti Bridge. Once you get in to the college, you may ask anyone for BC ie Boatclub Canteen. Meeting minutes by Lokesh http://wiki.pirateparty.org.in/index.php?title=Pirate_Computing_Center#Minutes.2FMeeting_6 -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Need volunteers for GNU/Linux installation at Hutatma Rajguru School in Pandav Nagar (near SICSR)
2012/9/17 Manoj Aswani manoj.aswani1...@gmail.com: I also wanted to start something like this in my hometown but moved to Pune 4 months back. I would surely like to contribute in this initiative as I was looking for interested people in this mean time. Thanks Manoj for your interest. I'll connect you with the rest of the team. Hope to see you in next meeting. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] [CoFSUG] Re: Need volunteers for GNU/Linux installation at Hutatma Rajguru School in Pandav Nagar (near SICSR)
2012/9/20 sagar gaikwad nuclearsa...@gmail.com: Hi..! My name is Sagar Gaikwad. I am currently studying in TYBTech(Comp) in COEP. I would like to conduct a lecture on this event. Also eager to help during installations. Hi Sagar, It was nice meeting you yesterday! I'll connect you with the rest of the team. Cheers Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Fwd: [CoFSUG] Meeting on 21st Sep , regarding Linux Installation in nearby school
-- Forwarded message -- From: lokesh walase lokesh...@gmail.com Date: Sep 18, 2012 10:16 AM Subject: [CoFSUG] Meeting on 21st Sep , regarding Linux Installation in nearby school To: cof...@googlegroups.com Hi all, 0.Praveen A had sent a mail regarding Need volunteers for GNU/Linux installation at Hutatma Rajguru School in Pandav Nagar (near SICSR) Here is the thread : https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/cofsug/SmOU6jIoNko Those who want to join in, pls reply to above thread , we would then add you to another thread that is going on among us, off the group. The installation task was earlier scheduled on 29th Sep , Saturday. But since its Ganpati Visarjan on that day, we would now re-schedule it. The date is not yet fixed. 1.However about 9-10 people, including myself, have voluntereed for the task. So we all thought of meeting in person , get to know each other, distribute the tasks among ourselves. *The meeting details are :* Venue : Coep Boat Club Canteen. Date :21st Sep , Friday Time :5pm Rough Agenda : a)Burn .iso images of Debian on DVDs b)Chalk out a plan of action things to be done before going to school. We need to be prepared for everything. c)We need people to take up tasks like someone coordinating with school, someone coordinating among we volunteers etc 2.Coep ie College of Engineering , Pune is situated near Sancheti Bridge. Once you get in to the college, you may ask anyone for BC ie Boatclub Canteen. Regards, Lokesh Walase ( Final Year BTech , Comp Engg , College of Engineering, Pune. 9011-786-729 ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CoFSUG group. To post to this group, send an email to cof...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cofsug+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cofsug?hl=en-GB. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Need volunteers for GNU/Linux installation at Hutatma Rajguru School in Pandav Nagar (near SICSR)
Hi, We are planning to teach Free Software to students of Hutatma Rajguru School in Pandav Nagar (near SICSR). They have agreed to let us install GNU/Linux on their lab systems. We are going to install GNU/Linux on 29th September. We'll also be teaching them Free Software every Saturday. if you would like to help us during installation or for teaching part reply here or contact me or shirish off list. More details about this project is at http://wiki.pirateparty.org.in/index.php?title=Pirate_Computing_Center This is inspired by Community Computing Center run by Free Software Movement Karnataka (http://bangalore.aidindia.org/ac3) in Bangalore and initiated by Pirate Party of India (http://pirateparty.org.in). Cheers Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Chamba Storyboarding meeting
Hi, I hope you folks already heard about chamba open movie project. If not you can learn more about it here http://www.chambaproject.in/wiki/ Tomorrow (26th Aug Sunday) we are meeting near Shaniwar wada to work on storyboard (it is one of the steps in animation movie making where each scene is drawn on paper by hand). More details about the meeting here. http://www.chambaproject.in/wiki/index.php/Meetings/2012Aug26#Pune You can also join in if you like drawing. You can bring any of your friends who are interested in drawing or animation as well. Or you can simply come down and learn more about chamba project and also see how an animation movie is being made -- all the behind the scene fun and excitement :) You won't often get to see how a movie is made. If you can't come down physically, you can join online too via IRC. Our channel is #chamba on FreeNode. If you are new to irc use this link http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=chamba Current status of the story board can be seen at http://gallery.chambaproject.in/index.php/Story-Board Cheers Praveen PS: Share this invitation with any of your friends who might be interested. Post it on facebook/twitter/diaspora etc -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] बेडियन फॉर नेटबुक्स...
2012/4/18 मःसागरः o.s@guruvision.com: sure, eeepc 1215B, with 320 GB of hard disk... another interesting thing, as I was attempting to load kubuntu just few minutes back alongside debianKDE that I installed last evening (which did not come to my expectations because lot of things are intelligible by my standard about how to configure X again etc.) Why do you have to configure X again? Did it take a smaller resolution? the kubuntu suddenly declared that the remaining 200Gb (left out after debian install) is unusuable... and it does not want to play along debian... I guess you created primary partitions instead of logical partitions. It is a limitation of DOS partition table which allows for only 4 primary partitions in a hard disk. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] बेडियन फॉर नेटबुक्स...
2012/4/18 मःसागरः o.s@guruvision.com: Why do you have to configure X again? Did it take a smaller resolution? that is true, instead of full 1366x__, it dropped me to 1024x768 and in that too text looks sufficiently streched to think reconfiguring X. hmm. /etc/X11/xorg.conf is where you can change it. I think it may not be using the correct driver. What graphics card do you have? and why should I not have my home as primary, as well as, / and /boot? I don't think it is necessary. Windows had a limitation that it can be installed only on a primary partition, I don't know if that limitation is still there for newer versions. Now you have a good reason, you cannot use the remaining space in your hard disk at all - it is not an Ubuntu problem. rest all can be logical... please do feel free to educate me about this issue... because if my thinking is correct data from primary partition is better recoverable than those whose logical link gets wiped out... from recovery point of view always safe to have important stuff on primary, of course that if old way of think, starting around or before advent of linux and gnu! I don't know about this aspect. If that was your concern just keep only /home as primary. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] बेडियन फॉर नेटबुक्स...
2012/4/14 मःसागरः o.s@guruvision.com: Any specific reason for you to chose LILO over grub? any specific purpose for which I should opt grub? grub is default, meaning it is preferred. networking configuration / status indication is not as clean as I have seen in Mandriva and then Mageia... How is it different? I guess all of them would be using network manager. But KDE would be doing it differently than GNOME. netapplet in kde has much better, cleaner handling than anything else, is what I have found out over last 3-4 years... even better than wicd. ok. If you are going to give another try to debian, try the KDE version. netbook amd64 (miscievously nicknamed Am i Mad?) version... is what i am after, will look at that location, but now it has may be at lower priority... :-) I don't think there is a separate installer for netbooks. This is the KDE version of amd64 cd 1 http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso That is exactly the point, even the good did not work for me, so look how bad it will get if I start using gnome... :-) ubuntu handles gnome nicely, but then ubuntu is not debian :-) ubuntu could correctly pick the display drive resolution, while debian left me at lower resolution... that is the point! I suspect it is because Ubuntu is newer and that's why it has better hardware detection. If you are brave you can try debian testing or Linux Mint Debian Edition (which has one more layer of testing on top of debian testing). -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] बेडियन फॉर नेटबुक्स...
2012/4/13 मःसागरः o.s@guruvision.com: several problems discovered over the peiod of last few days... instead of blaming debian, i would simply call it sheer lack of luck (combinetrics) that debian need not (does not) figure positively in my immediate future usable distribution for my netbook... with all sincere best wishes to those 886 dedicated developers contributing to debian++ It would be useful if you list the issues and may be even filing bugs for them. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] बेडियन फॉर नेटबुक्स...
2012/4/13 मःसागरः o.s@guruvision.com: basically system installation leaves you in a lurch if you choose LILO instead of GRUB as a boot loader, + there are many more issues e.g. Any specific reason for you to chose LILO over grub? networking configuration / status indication is not as clean as I have seen in Mandriva and then Mageia... How is it different? I guess all of them would be using network manager. But KDE would be doing it differently than GNOME. openSUSE is a good suggestion, that I would definitely won't mind trying... The whole of debian is their own way discourages KDE... and making everything work smoothly for GNOME, which to me looks like an unfair game! So to avoid blaming debian contributors I accept as shortcoming of my choice i.e. KDE... No, debian does not discourage KDE. There is a separate installation disk that installs KDE by default. Try that. debian-6.0.4-i386-kde-CD-1.iso at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ it is just alphabetical listing of files by apache and no debian fault in showing it below gnome :) There is no unfair game here, it may just be that there is not enough contributors working on KDE. In my experience KDE team is much better than GNOME team (KDE team gets new releases faster than GNOME, KDE releases are better coordinated and they come in one go, where as GNOME upgrades are broken most of the time and takes longer). -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] [CoFSUG] [Event] Debian utsav round two
[posting to plug as well] 2012/3/30 shirish शिरीष shirisha...@gmail.com: Hi all, COEP presents Debian Utsav Round two Venue : COEP FOSS Lab, 2nd Floor ENTC Section Dates : 31st March 2012 and 1st April 2012 Timings : from 10:00 onwards. We have a conflict with another event at COEP, so we are not doing debian utsav this weekend. We are considering next week as a possibility, we will announce it later. Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Fwd: Debian Project News - March 20th, 2012
Dear Abdul, Welcome as a new package maintainer! You were already contributing with packaging sessions, glad to see your name in this list! Everyone give a big hand to Abdul, another contributor from Pune, keep up the good work folks! We should see more names in every Debian Project News! Praveen -- Forwarded message -- From: Francesca Ciceri madame...@debian.org Date: 2012/3/20 Subject: Debian Project News - March 20th, 2012 To: debian-n...@lists.debian.org The Debian Project http://www.debian.org/ Debian Project News debian-public...@lists.debian.org March 19th, 2012 http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2012/06/ Welcome to this year's sixth issue of DPN, the newsletter for the Debian community. Topics covered in this issue include: * Debian Project Leader Elections 2012: the candidates * First Squeeze -based Debian Edu released * Updated Debian 5.0: 5.0.10 released * Reports from recent Bug Squashing Parties * Announcinggobby.debian.org * The Debian Kernel Team rocks! * Interviews * Other news * New Debian Contributors * Release-Critical bugs statistics for the upcoming release * Important Debian Security Advisories * New and noteworthy packages * Work-needing packages * Want to continue reading DPN? Debian Project Leader Elections 2012: the candidates On 2 March, Kurt Roeckx, current Debian Project Secretary, sent the call for nominations [1] for the 2012 Debian Project Leader elections. Unlike last year, when Stefano Zacchiroli was the only candidate, this year three candidates will be running for DPL: Wouter Verhelst, Gergely Nagy and the current DPL Stefano Zacchiroli. The campaigning period has already started and will end on 31 March: the candidates' platforms [2] are already available. You can follow the campaign on the debian-vote mailing list [3], where the prospective leaders reply to voters' questions. The voting period will start on 1 April and end on 14 April. 1 : http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/03/msg1.html 2 : http://www.debian.org/vote/2012/vote_001 3 : http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/ First Squeeze -based Debian Edu released -- The first Squeeze -based version of Debian Edu was released [4] last week. Debian Edu (aka Skolelinux) is a Debian Pure Blend specifically targeted at schools and other educational institutions, and provides a completely configured school network environment out of the box. Petter Reinholdtsen started a series of blogposts dedicated to Debian Edu / Skolelinux, which will include interviews with Debian Edu users and administrators [5] and explanations of the team's workflows [6]. 4 : http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120311 5 : http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Debian_Edu_interview__Nigel_Barker.html 6 : http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Writing_and_translating_documentation_in_Debian_Edu.html Updated Debian 5.0: 5.0.10 released --- The Debian project is pleased to announce the tenth and final update of its oldstable distribution, Debian 5.0 (codename [7] Lenny). This update mainly adds corrections for security problems to the oldstable release, along with a few adjustments for other serious problems. Security advisories were already published separately and are referenced where available. 7 : http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120310 Reports from recent Bug Squashing Parties - Jonathan Wiltshire sent a report from the Bug Squashing Party [8] held over the weekend of 2–4 March in Cambridge. The BSP was a success: eighteen developers and contributors worked on 170 bugs, closing 45 bugs and adding further information for 16 bugs. Manuel Montecelo closed the oldest bug [9], opened in 2005, while Neil Williams, requesting the removal of opensync and associated packages [10], closed 25 bugs by a single action. Paul Wise reported on the Perth Bug Squashing Party [11] held over the weekend of 10–11 March. During the weekend about 10 people worked on 12 bugs, focusing on the release critical bugs highlighted by rc-alert. 8 : http://lists.debian.org/debian-events-eu/2012/03/msg4.html 9 : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=305992 10 : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=662079 11 : http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/log/2012/03/16/perth-bsp-report/ Announcing gobby.debian.org --- Philipp Kern announced the availability of a [12] Gobby server hosted by Debian. Gobby is a realtime collaborative editor which works as a standalone desktop application. To use it, install the gobby-0.5 package [13] and then just connect to the server
[PLUG] Mapping Pune Bus routes
Hi, Would anyone be interested in Pune Bus Routes mapping project? There is already work done for Chennai, see http://busroutes.in/chennai/ If you are interested in this project add your name on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pune/Bus_Routes I have some experience mapping for OSM but haven't done a bus route yet, we'll learn it on the fly. Thanks Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Fwd: Debian Utsav in SICSR
-- Forwarded message -- From: meha!! melody.meha at gmail.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:41:54 +0530 Subject: Debian Utsav in SICSR To: cofsug at googlegroups.com Hello friends, I would like to invite you for the *Debian Utsav*. Debian is one of the more known GNU/Linux distributions. It is the foundation on which popular distributions such as 'Ubuntu' and other debian-derivatives are made. It is also known as The father of Ubuntu! Debian Utsav is celebration of Debian Folks - meet at one place, eat, drink and work on Debian! Its a series of events to create awareness about Debian and packaging with the first one held at the end of January 2012 in Magarpatta City and second in COEP. The idea/intention is to take it to every college and make people aware for better smarter and ethical computing. Date :- Sunday 26th February 2012 Time :- 10 :00 a.m. onwards Venue :- Lab #207,SICSR,Atur Centre,Pune-411016 Please register so that we'll get to know exact count of people #DebUtsavhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFFzdlQ1S3ZsS08tSTVnRjdTZEgtUFE6MQ Kindly get some pre-installed packages like build-essential and devscripts.Schedule will be forwaded soon :) PS: The #DebUtsav is specially kept on Sunday keeping your college schedule in mind. PFA the poster as well :) and share with as many people as u like! For Queries Contact :- Shirish Agarwal - 091 - 976 333 0874 or shirishag75 at gmail dot com Meha Raje Upadhyay- +91-9975480409 -- Thanks Regards, Meha Raje Upadhyay Your bit for yourself and society - visit www.pankhudifoundation.org to experience a whole new selfless world of mankind. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Debian Utsav 2012
2012/1/26 Praveen A prav...@gmail.com: [cross posting - use debian-dug-in for general discussions, use individual lists for specific events] Debian Utsav is celebration of Debian Folks - meet at one place, eat, drink and work on Debian! Just decide a place and time and add it here. Come join in any one listed at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/DebianUtsav2012 and if you don't see something near you, just announce one! Sharing my diaspora post about yesterday https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1260798 Others share your experience and thoughts Yesterday was a greatly rewarding day! It was a joy watching Muneeb , AbdulKarim** Memon , Sana Khan** and shirish take the stage as I sat in the back, occasionally updating our diaspora account. All of them were in the audience when we did MiniDebConf 2010 at COEP. I am very happy to see the time we invested is paying off! Great going #debianindia Vasudeva Kamath also started learning with us in one of the irc sessions after 2010 MiniDebConf, he is a star packager for debian-in :) They even created a new dh-make helper for fonts. He is a Debian Maintainer now. I was also getting some work done in packaging ruby gems on the way to getting diaspora packaged. I'm uploader for some 11 packages in ruby team, many of them I migrated to gem2deb. Folks keep going and take up bigger challenges and keep reaching out to new people and new ideas. I would like all us reaching roles were we define new directions. Keep up the good work. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Why I'm a Pirate!
2012/1/26 म.हा.सा.ग.र o.s@guruvision.com: It usually is conscious decision made by an individual whether to use something or not when product of workmanship has reached him/her without him/her being directly aware of the antecedants of the ownership and/or roots of the product nobody can be immediately and expressly held responsible for such an action. The possible remedial measures need to arrive first. So while propoganda machinery of Antipiracy Movement has their own reasons (survival) opponents also do have their own reasons... the Survival? Are tou talking about a growing or suffering industry? If you were selling hotdogs and you started losing money, would you continue selling hotdogs at a loss for 10 straight years? The reason I ask is because I looked at some of the industries own numbers and it baffles me. If online file-sharing is killing these industries, why would they keep producing more content? And I'm sure someone is going to pull out a study showing trends in per-capita spending adjusted for inflation versus discretionary income per single-family residence that shows the entertainment industry is in a bleak position, but that's not what I'm after. If nobody is buying buggy-whips, you don't increase production year after year. Yet over the last 10 years: The number of movies released is up 23% - [1] The number of books published is up 47% - [2] The number of albums released is up 25% - [3] The video games industry is up 23% - [4] from another comprehensive write up on this topic https://www.insightcommunity.com/step2/311/why-i-pirate-an-open-letter-to-content-creators true path is somewhere in the middle... the self reasonsing and being sensible is usually the correct approach. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Debian Utsav 2012
[cross posting - use debian-dug-in for general discussions, use individual lists for specific events] Debian Utsav is celebration of Debian Folks - meet at one place, eat, drink and work on Debian! Just decide a place and time and add it here. Come join in any one listed at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/DebianUtsav2012 and if you don't see something near you, just announce one! -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Why I'm a Pirate!
2012/1/21 Praveen A prav...@gmail.com: 2012/1/21 Praveen A prav...@gmail.com: Why I'm a Pirate! One more in this series from author of 'The Alchemist', Paulo Coelho http://paulocoelhoblog.com/2012/01/20/welcome-to-pirate-my-books/ Pirates of the world, unite and pirate everything I’ve ever written! So next time you see his books on the street, buy it, you now know he would be only happy. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Why I'm a Pirate!
2012/1/21 Praveen A prav...@gmail.com: Why I'm a Pirate! Another video everyone should watch, this time about megaupload shutdown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIsfwhww0SA -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] A beautiful talk about freedom box
James Vasile of FreedomBox foundation talks about importance of privacy. Its a long speech but I strongly recommend everyone download it and watch it completely. He explains things in easy to understand language with lot of examples. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bDDUyJSQ9s -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Diaspora Co-Founder Ilya Zhitomirskiy Passes Away At 21
Late last night, word began to spread around the tech community that one of Diaspora‘s four co-founders, Ilya Zhitomirskiy, had passed away. With much sadness, we’ve now confirmed this terrible news with the Diaspora team. The news is incredibly jarring, to the point that much else I could say escapes me. Ilya was just 21. To see any member of our community pass is sad, but for one so young to go is absolutely crushing. The cause of death is currently unconfirmed. Our sincerest condolences to Ilya’s family, friends, and the entire Diaspora team. http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/13/diaspora-co-founder-ilya-zhitomirskiy-passes-away-at-21/ It is really a sad and shocking news :( I can't believe he won't be talking to us anymore! He was very much excited about diaspune, I hope everyone close to him manages to cop with this loss... -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Video of Linus Talking about Indian contribution
2011/11/10 Swapnil Bhartiya swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com: Extracted the chunk where Linus talks about India. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=worGBIx-pdU I don't know why you removed this video, removing the video after sharing the link publicly is a bad idea, many people now get to see the user removed this video at this url :( I shared it on diaspora and people have been complaining. New url is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlrzzeFsMXo -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] How do you visualize an alien?
How would you visualize an alien? My friend Bal shares his views on what he thinks an alien should look like http://www.universalsubtitles.org/en/videos/Vh5i1DLBM9DI/en/189676/ You can share with us how you think an alien should be like and participate in Chamba Swathanthra Cinema Project (http://chambaproject.in) Record a video of you talking about it, write about it the way you like it or even better draw it or animate it. Want to see some of the ideas already there? Check this http://gallery.chambaproject.in/index.php/Character-Design noni teron has created this http://gallery.chambaproject.in/var/resizes/Events/FUDCon-Pune/IMG_3392.JPG?m=1320757865 We are making this movie combining ideas from everyone who is interested. Why should we let only a few people enjoy making movies when all of us can? Come, lets play and enjoy! Share your ideas here http://www.chambaproject.in/wiki/index.php/Ideas or use #chambaideas hashtag on diaspora or your favorite social network Script for the movie is http://www.chambaproject.in/wiki/index.php/Script/script-4 share it with your friends who has an interest in drawing or animation. Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Is Occupy Wall St. really an open source protest?
If you do a google search of Occupy Wall St.+open source, you'll find a lot of interesting reading. While there is some discussion of the technology and techniques used by the protestors, there is far more philosophizing about the open, leaderless, amorphous nature of the protests and the forks and innovations that the movement counts on for momentum. More than one blogger refers to the movement as an open source protest because like open source software, [It] has no defined “message.” It’s just an amalgam of ideas from everyone who’s willing to contribute. What do you think? http://opensource.com/11/10/occupy-wall-st-really-open-source-protest -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] The Deadly Microsoft Embrace
The Tamil Nadu government is adding costly MS software to laptops meant for poor students. It could cost Rs 10,200 Crore and hamper student growth Sai Manish New Delhi Diplomatic observers point out to the stopover of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in Chennai on July 20-21 when she met Jayalalithaa before flying out to Indonesia on a state visit. [...] Two cables, one originating in the embassy at Hanoi and the other at the embassy in Tunis, throw enough light on the scale and nature of the government-corporation nexus in the United States and its influence on world governments. According to one of the cables, the US government ‘intervened’ to force Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dzung to sign an agreement with Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer that would require Hanoi to pay Microsoft $20 million for 3 lakh licences. This even though the Vietnamese PM wanted to hold the Microsoft deal as a deliverable till he met the US president later that year. Now put that deal in an Indian context where 68 lakh licences would be required under Jayalalithaa’s ambitious free laptop scheme and the business of diplomacy becomes clear. The Microsoft deal of 3 lakh licences was dubbed in the cable as ‘the most significant agreement Vietnam has ever signed with a US business’. [...] Even the special adviser to the Prime Minister, Sam Pitroda, believes that in a scheme like this there is no scope for burdening students with stifling software that would eventually become a liability for students. “I would strongly recommend going in for open source software since it gives students the capability to innovate, improvise and be creative. There is no difference between using expensive proprietary software and open source platforms and students who fear that their job prospects might be hurt because of using free software are completely misplaced in their fears,” Pitroda told TEHELKA. http://www.tehelka.com/story_main50.asp?filename=Ws101011MICROSOFT.asp -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Blender workshop at Red Hat Office Pune, Sunday 9th October
2011/10/3 Praveen A prav...@gmail.com: Introductory session by Vipul. Details, registration at http://www.chambaproject.in/wiki/index.php/Blender_Workshop,_Pune,_Oct_9 We are waiving off the fees! Just pay for your lunch! -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Fwd: Blender workshop at Red Hat Office Pune, Sunday 9th October
Share it with any of your friends who might be interested. -- Forwarded message -- From: Praveen A prav...@gmail.com Date: 2011/10/3 Subject: Blender workshop at Red Hat Office Pune, Sunday 9th October To: We create Chamba movie! creativet...@lists.chambaproject.in, We help run Chamba project! operati...@lists.chambaproject.in Introductory session by Vipul. Details, registration at http://www.chambaproject.in/wiki/index.php/Blender_Workshop,_Pune,_Oct_9 -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] [diaspune] Debian Packagin session (rubygems translation) at VIT, Pune
2011/9/21 Praveen A prav...@gmail.com: We are planning to keep a Debian Packaging session at VIT this Sunday (25th September) 11:00 am onwards. A long overdue update, I thought some of the participants will send an update :( Saket, Adwait, Kumar and Amit if you are reading this, I still hope to see your blogs :) 1. We have to use new and easy gem2deb tool to package ruby gems which are packaged using old cdbs tool. 2. We have to add a few lines to debian/control to mention we are renaming the package to fit new policy. 3. Make sure all tests run properly - which can be quite exciting if you are lucky! It just takes only one command to make a deb from a gem file, but real fun starts after that! There is a nice graph which shows current status of the transition http://pkg-ruby-extras.alioth.debian.org/wheezy/ we have to move about 484 packages before wheezy release. We will use http://piratepad.net/tu0H1eU2vH to coordinate. Since 4 out of 7 people turned up were newbies, we did not start ruby transitions. We discussed basics of public key cryptography, key signing parties, web of trust and how debian uses gpg keys. I had a very interesting discussion with the 4 newbies and we discussed how software installation works in various operating systems, dependencies, repositories/android market, contents inside a deb file, steps of a deb package installation, unix file system hierarchy etc. We decided to continue it online and we have planned our next session this Saturday (1st October) 8 pm at #debian-in-mentors on oftc. So if you missed last session, you can join in. As always we care about newbies and we will have separate sessions for them. Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Fwd: [diaspune] Debian Packagin session (rubygems translation) at VIT, Pune
-- Forwarded message -- From: karim memon abdulkarimme...@gmail.com Date: 2011/9/21 Subject: [diaspune] Debian Packagin session (rubygems translation) at VIT,Pune Hi all, We are planning to keep a Debian Packaging session at VIT this Sunday (25th September) 11:00 am onwards. Main focus would be to help the pkg-ruby-extras team in their current translations of ruby gems. Those who are new to packaging or want their doubts cleared are also welcome :) My Comments . It is actually transitions not translations :) 1. We have to use new and easy gem2deb tool to package ruby gems which are packaged using old cdbs tool. 2. We have to add a few lines to debian/control to mention we are renaming the package to fit new policy. 3. Make sure all tests run properly - which can be quite exciting if you are lucky! It just takes only one command to make a deb from a gem file, but real fun starts after that! There is a nice graph which shows current status of the transition http://pkg-ruby-extras.alioth.debian.org/wheezy/ we have to move about 484 packages before wheezy release. We will use http://piratepad.net/tu0H1eU2vH to coordinate. . Venue: Vishwakarma Institute of Technology, 666 Bibewadi, Pune Lab: 1326 3rd Floor, Computer Department. -- -AbdulKarim Memon (FOSS user/Promoter) - Full text of this topic in Diaspune*: http://diaspune.onlinegroups.net/r/topic/7sYSFYgSjMSKNTzaGJThU0 To leave Diaspune*, email mailto:dias_p...@onlinegroups.net?Subject=unsubscribe Start your own free groups and site with OnlineGroups.Net http://onlinegroups.net Host your own online groups site with GroupServer http://groupserver.org -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Fwd: Congratulations to Vipul for winning innovation award!
-- Forwarded message -- From: Praveen A prav...@gmail.com Date: 2011/9/14 Subject: Congratulations to Vipul for winning innovation award! To: We create Chamba movie! creativet...@lists.chambaproject.in, We help run Chamba project! operati...@lists.chambaproject.in From everyone at Chamba project, a hearty congratulations for winning this award! http://www.dnaindia.com/academy/report_lighting-the-innovation-lamp-in-enterprising-young-minds_1586601 We hope this would inspire more students to take up challenging and innovative tasks with us. This is one of tasks identified by operations team that would help us, there are more tasks listed at http://www.chambaproject.in/wiki/index.php/Coders_of_Chamba If you want to help with these tasks requiring programming skills you can sign up there! -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Ruby on Rails workshop this Saturday at SICSR
2011/7/14 Praveen A prav...@gmail.com: We will also have a little discussion on diaspora Shravan Aras created this diaspora intro video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuWjSpicph0 which was shown before we started the workshop. Note: You can watch this video without flash if you go to http://youtube.com/html5 and join html5 trial If you want to see a new feature or want to change an existing feature on diaspora, come join us for the workshop, we will guide you how to do it. We are starting our program for students to get started with diaspora, we call it #Diaspune Code Mahotsav - coders' way to Diaspora* If any student wants to contribute any features to diaspora they can contact us at diaspune.onlinegroups.net and we will guide them through the steps. More details are at http://is.gd/mahotsav Those who complete the project successfully will get a certificate from Diaspora Inc. We are also looking for sponsors to this program, if you can help in this regard, contact us. Thanks Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Ruby on Rails workshop this Saturday at SICSR
Hi, Pune diaspora community invites you to a workshop on Ruby On Rails by Shreyank Gupta at SICSR this Saturday at 3 pm. We will also have a little discussion on diaspora and possible projects folks can take up after learning ruby on rails. If you want to see a new feature or want to change an existing feature on diaspora, come join us for the workshop, we will guide you how to do it. Also if you have not yet tried diaspora, it would be a nice time to try it. Since diaspora is distributed, you can sign up with any pods listed at http://podupti.me just look for a frequently updated pod. I have had good experience with diasp.org and poddery.com I am also trying to setup my own pod at http://pod.j4v4m4n.in, but it is still for testing purpose and not ready for prime time. We have a limitation of 70 seats at the lab so hurry up and register now at http://www.meetup.com/Diaspora/Pune/288201/ Also if you want to be a part of diaspora pune community and get to know about our activities, join our online group at diaspune.onlinegroups.net Cheers Praveen PS: onlinegroups.net is a Free Software replacement for Google Groups or Yahoo groups, other alternatives to onlinegroups.net include freelists.org and librelist.com -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Discussion session on benefits to students contributing to Free Software at VIT, Sunday 3rd July 10 am
2011/7/1 Parag Shah adapti...@gmail.com: Hi Praveen, I have an online learning community where I try to help students learn computer science topics within a supportive online community, and in the process also document their learning by creating open source projects and blogging their reflections. Nice! If there is time for me to talk, I would love to talk about how students can also leverage new media along with contributing to open source software to document their understanding of a topic and to establish reputation in their community of practice. BTW, you mention that the session begins at 10:00 AM. How long is it expected to last? Sorry, I missed your mail. This Saturday afternoon we are doing a workshop on Ruby on Rails as a continuation of our earlier meetups. We hope to get more contributors to diapsora from Pune. If you are okay may be you can take 15-20 minutes to talk about your experience. It would set the tone for the workshop too. Interested folks can sign up at https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/wiki/Pune-diaspora-meetup-3 Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Discussion session on benefits to students contributing to Free Software at VIT, Sunday 3rd July 10 am
Why should I contribute to Free Software? There is one obvious benefit if one believes in Free Software as an idea or they are Free Software users. We will discuss some other benefits which may not be obvious. Some of the points to highlight are, - Working with best programmers in the world is an experience you won't get in a classroom or college lab. - Working on code that is used by thousands of people every day is a unique opportunity to test the ideas we learn as part of our courses. - Anyone can look at your code and evaluate you better. Gives you a better chance than may be a certificate or a good mark list that every one of you already have. - Code accepted into these projects are a testimony about the quality of your code, because there are strict quality control and lot of peer reviews before any code is accepted into these projects. - Ability to learn and play with latest and evolving technologies. - There is no compulsion, you chose what you like and you do it at your pace and interest. - We can help you find mentors in areas you want to focus. Some of us would be happy to help you get going with diaspora. We will start with a Ruby on Rails workshop so that all you have to have is an interest to contribute. What is in there for us who are out to help you? We believe in Free Software and we want to make it better. We are always looking to expand our community. Comments and additions welcome, the aim is to give a brief idea of benefits to students contributing to Free Software, motivate them to attend Ruby on Rails workshop (on 9th July) and get more contributors to diaspora (may be for other Free Software projects too if there is an interest). Date: 3rd July 2011 Location: VIT Bibwewadi (near Katraj), Computer Science Department, Room no 1301. Time: 10 am. If you would like to attend it, sign up at https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/wiki/Pune-diaspora-meetup-2 If you are already a contributor to any Free Software project, we would love to have you come and talk about your project and experience, you might get some new contributors too. Diaspune community has its discussion group at http://diaspune.onlinegroups.net/groups/dias_pune You can join in and share your ideas. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Pune Diasora Meetup on saturday 18th June 10 am at COEP boat club
Diasora is a new Social Network built with privacy and full control over users' data. It is funded by internet users around the world and built by Free Software community. This project was inspired by Prof Eben Moglen of Software Freedom Law Center and started by 4 students Maxwell Salzberg, Daniel Grippi, Ilya Zhirtomirsky, Rafael Sofaer from New York University as their summer project. It is been around for a year now. It is still in alpha testing, nearing a beta release soon. Being Free Software users, we can fit the role of early adopters testing and suggesting features, hopefully even implementing some features too. The idea of the meetup is to come up with some plans for expanding the diaspora community, esecially encouraging more students to get involved and help implement some necessary features. We will be conducting ruby on rails workshop to train those interested in contributing. If you want to be part of growing and important community, do come for the meetup. Remember to register at http://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/wiki/meetups and bring at least one A2 size paper (optionally bring sketch pens and markers if you have some). Our main activity for the meetup will be making diaspora posters. We are planning to cover as many colleges and public places with this campaign. Looking forward to meeting some of you. If you want to try diaspora before the meetup see http://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/wiki/invitations also there is wonderful tutorial site for diaspora by Kevin Kleinman at http://diasporial.com Feel free to ask anything more you want to know, Cheers Praveen Helped a bit to translate diasora to Malayalam ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] GNU/Linux written in javascript!
Javascript GNU/Linux PC Emulator bellard.org/jslinux/ This is really crazy! It even has emacs! Fabrice Ballard is also the creator of ffmpeg and qemu. Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] 3 new debian contributors from COEP
It is with great pleasure I announce 3 new debian contributors from COEP (College of Engineering Pune). I'm happy to see last minidebconf and follow ups producing more contributors. Last year minidebconf India was hosted by COEP and we had an elective on FOSS Development ( http://www.fosscommunity.in/wiki/Pune/COEP/FOSS_Devel_Elective ) too in this semester. Hope to see more contributors as we tour different cities this year. Sana, Shravan, Swapnil, Welcome! Looking forward to your continued participation. Sana http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=sanakhan2...@gmail.com Shravan http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=123.shra...@gmail.com Swapnil http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=swapnilkulkarni.cof...@gmail.com There are some more waiting for sponsors and I hope to see their package in debian soon. Cheers Praveen PS: Sana and Swapnil needs to change package name to hyphen from hyphenation, Shravan needs to fix his watch file :( -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Mini DebConf India 2011 planning has started
Folks, We are looking for volunteers to help us make this event possible, we have expanded our coverage to 4 cities this time. For more details and signing up, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/MiniDebConf2011 Looking forward to active participation from all of you. Cheers Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Fwd: [smc-discuss] Free Software ( sharing knowledge ) is in human nature - an example
-- Forwarded message -- From: ashik salahudeen aashiks at gmail.com Date: 2011/2/27 Subject: [smc-discuss] Free Software ( sharing knowledge ) is in human nature - an example To: Discussion list of Swathanthra Malayalam Computing discuss at lists.smc.org.in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78514#c19 The above is a link to a bug fix sent to GNOME, the popular free software desktop. It shows why free software works, and why people work on it. an excerpt from the above link : I would like to extend my thanks to the gnome team/community for a great last moment with my dad. Adrian Hands (my father) wrote the patch above to improve the usability of gnome for himself and others. You see my dad was suffering from ALS and his hands were so crippled he could no longer use a keyboard. Thus we used a Darci usb morse code keyboard emulator to help him type. Even the morse code device was a struggle as the sensitivity adjustment and positioning of the nice two paddled key would fall out of whack. I rigged up a pvc cage that wrapped around his knee and fixed remote switches to the cage so that he could use the remaining strength in his legs to operate the Darci morse code device. He used this last bit of body movement to write this patch. I am a programmer, and I use free software to earn a living. I do not know how people who do other things for a living will feel about this, but I feel deeply honored to use software created by a community in which people with so much passion contribute so selflessly. I think it shows why the idea of free software works, and will keep on working. Its in human nature. -- aashik -- aashik NotAQuote - Carmack _and_ Zawinski says sharing code is badass. I agree. ___ Swathanthra Malayalam Computing discuss Mailing List Project: https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/smc Web: http://smc.org.in | IRC : #smc-project @ freenode disc...@lists.smc.org.in http://lists.smc.org.in/listinfo.cgi/discuss-smc.org.in -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Santhosh gets a place in Wikipedia language committee
I'm really happy to see Santhosh's work getting international recognition. Hope recognitions like these would help highlight the amazing work he has been doing all the while. All the best to Santhosh. Praveen [Foundation-l] New members of Language committee Milos Rancic millosh at gmail.com Mon Feb 28 17:19:28 UTC 2011 I am glad to announce that Language committee is stronger for three new members. By the time of getting their applications, the list is: Ζαχαρίας Διακονικολάου (Zaharias Diakonikolau) (meta:User:ZaDiak) * languages spoken: el, en-4, de-2, grc-2, pnt-1 * living in: Europe, Greece, Rhodes * reason for inclusion: A couple of months ago Language committee announced that it is searching for members from the [types of] projects which don't have Wikipedia-like dynamics. Zaharias has passed as an applicant from Wikiversity (he is admin at Beta Wikiversity and bureaucrat at Greek Wikiversity). However, his qualifications go further: he is actively working on creation, editing and promoting projects in various Greek languages. Knowing that he is young, he will be our long term investment, too. Oliver Stegen]] (meta:User:Baba Tabita) * languages spoken: de, en-4, sw-3 small style=color:gray;nl-1, fr-1/small * living in: Africa, Kenya, Nairobi (from Europe, Germany) * reason for inclusion: Oliver is a linguist who is working for SIL on East African languages. We'll have one ultra-relevant expert in LangCom thanks to Jon Harald Søby, one of the LangCom members, who met Oliver in Nairobi. Santhosh Thottingal]] (meta:User:Santhosh.thottingal) * languages spoken: ml, hi-3, en-3, ta-2, * living in: Asia, India, Chennai (Madras) * reason for inclusion: Santhosh is a free software guru interested in languages. He will help us in articulating projects for covering language-related needs of Wikimedia projects. I want to add one more point related to Santhosh. He has passed as a LangCom member not because he is from India, but because he has relevant expertise and right attitude. Although he speaks three Indian languages, he has become a member of LangCom because he is a free software guru interested in languages. Before Santhosh's application, we would have been happy to see anyone with this qualification and this attitude, no matter of location of birth or residence. However, Bishakha's question and subsequent conversation helped, as it gave impulse to Santhosh to submit the application. And that brings to my mind that it would be good to pass the whole world periodically and raise the geographical equality issue. And it is not a joke. That's obviously giving people courage, or at least the idea, that they have the same right to become members of any Wikimedia body, as any Westerner has. Sometimes the qualifications won't be relevant for particular position, sometimes they will. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-February/064235.html -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Sintel Open Movie as part of Shamiana Short Film Festival in Pune on 24th February 8 pm
2011/2/25 Praveen A prav...@gmail.com: We remembered the contributions of Vinay Pawar (Zoyd) to Sintel and blender software and observed one minute of silence in his memory. Blender team added a note about Vinay's contributions in 2.54 beta release In Memoriam: Vinay Pawar We've heard the sad news that Vinay Pawar, one of our active contributors, passed away last month. We knew him as zoyd in #blendercoders. Vinay was an active and helpful member in many places. We will miss his presence. http://www.blender.org/development/release-logs/blender-256-beta/fixes-since-blender-254-beta/ Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Contribute to Chamba Swathanthra Cinema project
2010/12/23 Praveen A prav...@gmail.com: We will be having chamba focus track at fossmeet and planning to get all chamba artist in NIT campus. It would be great to partner with gnunify as well. Indian Express has a story on Chamba project http://expressbuzz.com/states/kerala/open-source-animation-movie-comes-to-india/236129.html Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Confirmation: Wikipedia:Meetup /Pune3 on Monday Dec. 13, 2010 6:30 pm @ SICSR
2010/12/7 Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com: Hi, Continuing with the wikipedia meetup announcement we are having a technology focused meeting with wikimedia team on 14th at Red Hat office in Magarpatta City, Hadapsar. More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Pune/Pune4 Thanks Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Confirmation: Wikipedia:Meetup /Pune3 on Monday Dec. 13, 2010 6:30 pm @ SICSR
2010/12/7 Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com: You are all invited for the meetup. Do join in. Please add your name to the wiki page if you are coming. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Pune/Pune3 - Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Contribute to Chamba Swathanthra Cinema project
I will contribute 500 Indian Rupees (or 10 USD) to Chamba Swathanthra Cinema Project but only if 100 other people will do the same. — Praveen Arimbrathodiyil, Coordinator for Chamba Project Deadline to sign up by: 1st January 2011 11 people have signed up, 89 more needed More details Chamba project (http://www.chambaproject.in) is an ambitious effort to create a Swathanthra (Free/Libre) Animation Movie by pooling in contributions from people around the world and funding artists directly. A donation system will be setup at http://www.chambaproject.in/contribute/ when we are ready to accept money. You can register your pledge at http://www.pledgebank.com/chambaproject -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] [CoFSUG] Re: [Mini DebConf India] Debian packaging session - Thursday 9 pm IST at #debian-in on irc.oftc.net
2010/10/19 shravan aras 123.shra...@gmail.com: @ Praveen : Are we having continuation of the packaging session this thrusday ? Yes, any changes in schedule will be updated on the wiki page at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/PackagingSessions Thanks Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] [Mini DebConf India] Debian packaging session - Thursday 9 pm IST at #debian-in on irc.oftc.net
2010/10/15 Praveen A prav...@gmail.com: Logs of this session is available at http://debian-in.alioth.debian.org/irc_log_oct_14_2010.html?updated Those who attended the session, please give your feedback. Based on popular demand, we have decided to continue the packaging session every Thursday at the same place. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/PackagingSessions for more info There will be two streams, one for newbies and another for people who already started. Thanks Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] [Mini DebConf India] Debian packaging session - Thursday 9 pm IST at #debian-in on irc.oftc.net
2010/10/14 Praveen A prav...@gmail.com: Yes, we will publish the logs at http://debian-in.alioth.debian.org/ Logs of this session is available at http://debian-in.alioth.debian.org/irc_log_oct_14_2010.html?updated Those who attended the session, please give your feedback. Thanks Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] [Mini DebConf India] Debian packaging session - Thursday 9 pm IST at #debian-in on irc.oftc.net
2010/10/14 Neependra Khare neependra.kh...@gmail.com: Will the session's log be available to those who miss it? Yes, we will publish the logs at http://debian-in.alioth.debian.org/ Thanks, Neependra -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Debian packaging session - Thursday 9 pm IST at #debian-in on irc.oftc.net
Hi, We are continuing our online packaging sessions from this Thursday. Every one is invited. Those who are interested to attend please start reading new maintainers' guide. The whole session will be based on that. We will split the session to two - one for people who attended mini debconf (#debian-in-mentors) and another for those who are new (#debian-in). Hoping to see some mentors to help me out as well. For those who are familiar with packaging, it will be a work out session where you can get real time help with your packages. For new people we start with an example package. Thanks Praveen PS: Share this announcement in other foss lists -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Localisation Camp followup - Payyans Workout session on Sunday 22 August 2010
2010/8/18 Praveen A prav...@gmail.com: Hope it is clear now. And about Santhosh Thottingal, He is one of the most active developer working on Indian language technologies. He is the main author and inspiration behind ambitious silpa project (http://smc.org.in/silpa/) - which aims to bring all Indian language application under one roof. Some of these include * Guess Language * Encoding Converter * Approximate Search * Sort * Spellcheck * Dictionary * Transliterate * Hyphenation * Syllabalize * N-Gram * Random Quote * Indic Soundex * Character Details * Katapayadi Numbers * Webfonts Currently most of these projects have support for Malayalam. Some of them have support for Tamil and Kannada. He is actively looking for more developers to join his team to add support to Marathi, Hindi and the rest of Indian languages. He is also maintainer of Dhvani Indian language text to speech system, aspell spell checking dictionaries, hyphenation support ... and many more. He is in Pune on a shot visit and it would be a great opportunity to learn from him. Thanks Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Localisation Camp followup - Payyans Workout session on Sunday 22 August 2010
Hi, As a follow up to Localisation camp, we are doing a Payyans Workout this Sunday at Red Hat office in Magarpatta City. We expect participants to know basics of encoding. More at http://wiki.smc.org.in/Localisation_Camp/Pune/Payyans_Workout please add your name if you are coming. (Use http://wiki.smc.org.in/index.php?title=Localisation_Camp/Pune/Payyans_Workoutaction=edit if you can't find the edit link) If you attended Localisation Camp, please consider attending this. If you are interested to attend this but have not come for Localisation camp, please come prepared with knowledge of Unicode and Ascii encoding. Go through http://wiki.smc.org.in/Localisation_Camp/2_Pune_20,21_March_2010#Summary_and_Presentations first. Thanks Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Localisation Camp followup - Payyans Workout session on Sunday 22 August 2010
2010/8/18 Navin Kabra navin.ka...@gmail.com: What exactly is payyans? Well, you found out the basic description yourself. I tried looking at the wiki, but it is in Malayalam; and google gives irrelevant information. It was initially written to convert Malayalam ASCII encoded data to Unicode. I found this: Payyans is a Language independent encoding converter – ASCII to Unicode and reverse. Read more from here : http://wiki.smc.org.in/Payyans but I cant really read more from there. Anybody willing to give more details, or translate that page? Well, come down and help write the documentation - that is one task for the workout ie, write documentation in English. To get you started with basics, we have to start from number system. As you might already know, computers understand only binary data ie zero or one. So how do we represent data in a way computers can understand? Using sequence of ones and zeros we can represent any number. Now what about letters? Character encoding is introduced as a way of representing characters as numbers. In ASCII encoding systems 7 bits (there is 8 bit variant as well) are used to represent a character. Using 7 bits, we can represent up to 2^7 (128) characters. It was sufficient to represent all characters in English/Latin and special characters (including control characters). But there are so many scripts around the world and using 128 numbers we cannot represent all of them. There were different attempts to solve this issue. For European languages 8 bit ASCII was sufficient. We started using the same numbers (from 0 to 127) to represent characters in Indian languages, but internally the computer still handled it as English characters. But we substituted Indian language characters in font and fooled the computer into thinking we are using Indian languages. This was good enough for displaying Indian Languages on screen and printing, though other important tasks like sorting and searching was impossible, because internally they were still understood as English characters. This technique became widely popular and even now many popular new papers use this system. This kind of technique was so closely tied to a font that it requires the same font used for entering the data to be available on every system one wants to read it. Now Unicode encoding comes into picture with a promise of uniquely identifying every character in the world. Now the limit of 128 (or 256 with 8 bit ASCII) characters is taken away and it became possible to have separate code points/numbers for each of Indian languages. There are different ways of representing this numbers and these are called encoding methods. Most popular is UTF-8 which uses variable number of bytes to represent a character. There is UTF-16 which uses 16 bits for representing a character. Unicode encoded data can be read using any Unicode font taking away the dependency on a particular font. OpenType specification for fonts has option for substituting sequence of characters with another glyph (glyph is the pictorial representation of a character). This takes care of conjuncts ie ka halant ka (क ् क) is substituted with kka (क्क). Even though Unicode is used widely on the internet some applications used popularly for DTP still does not support them and many people did not move to Unicode. So there is lot if data encoded in ASCII format which needs to be converted to Unicode if we want to make them, readable without needing a specific font, search-able, sortable ... Payyans is such a software written in python for converting ASCII font specific data into Unicode. Padma is firefox plugin which does the same for many Indian languages. Now it seems simple to map the ASCII data to its corresponding Unicode, but each font followed its own encoding and for every ASCII font, you need a separate mapping table. Moreover there are script specific reordering, like moving ikar from left to right (in ASCII ikar is added before the conjunct but in Unicode ikar is added after the conjunct), required for proper conversion. For Devanagari conversion, the requirement is more complex than for Malayalam and so we need to adapt Payyans for supporting Devanagari. Work is already started and it needs handling of some specific cases. Hope it is clear now. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Debian Workout day on 22nd Sunday as a follow up to Mini DebConf
Hi, I hope you already went through http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/MiniDebConf2010#After-event If you still haven't blogged about your experience, please do it NOW! More details about the Workout is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/DebianWorkout2010Aug22 It will be an informal session where we will work together on specific packages and bugs. See if you find an interesting package on wnpp.debian.net before you come. Also for those who could not get their gpg keys signed, come prepared with print outs and photo ids. For those of you who cannot make it in person, we will keep our irc channel open ie, #debian-in on irc://irc.oftc.net You can use mibbit.com if you have problems connecting using an irc client. Thanks Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Correction: Debian Workout day on 21st Saturday as a follow up to Mini DebConf
Date Correction. It is on Saturday http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/DebianWorkout2010Aug21 I got confused between the two workouts :( 2010/8/18 Praveen A prav...@gmail.com: Hi, I hope you already went through http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/MiniDebConf2010#After-event If you still haven't blogged about your experience, please do it NOW! More details about the Workout is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/DebianWorkout2010Aug22 It will be an informal session where we will work together on specific packages and bugs. See if you find an interesting package on wnpp.debian.net before you come. Also for those who could not get their gpg keys signed, come prepared with print outs and photo ids. For those of you who cannot make it in person, we will keep our irc channel open ie, #debian-in on irc://irc.oftc.net You can use mibbit.com if you have problems connecting using an irc client. Thanks Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Blackberry row, what about gpg encryption
2010/8/14 आदित्य लघाटे lagha...@gmail.com: http://www.asianage.com/india/google-and-skype-might-also-feel-security-heat-739 Google and Skype might also feel security heatIt is interesting to see, how stupid our government officials can get!! Why is it stupid? Isn't it brilliant? -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Debian Squeeze frozen
2010/8/7 Kaustubh Gadkari kaustubh.gadk...@gmail.com: Debian 6.0 Squeeze is now frozen ... maybe a release later this year? http://www.debian-news.net/2010/08/06/debian-6-0-squeeze-frozen/ if everyone helps fixing rc bugs http://upsilon.cc/~zack/hacking/debian/rcbw/ Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting confirmation - 7th August 2010
2010/8/5 Aditya Godbole aag.li...@gmail.com: Hi all, The PLUG meeting for this month has been scheduled on Saturday, 7th Aug, 2010. Please note that the time and venue for this month's meeting is different than usual. Venue: College of Engineering, Pune (COEP). Seminar Hall 2 (also called room 6), besides the Auditorium. This is on the right side of road, while going from Sancheti to Sangam bridge/RTO. Time: 5:00 PM (1700 hrs) Agenda: The meeting is scheduled immediately after the debconf, so it will be more of an informal meeting where PLUG members can interact with various people attending the debconf. Many of the debconf attendees/speakers will be from outside Pune, so this would be a good opportunity to 'socialise'. We will also have a short 30 minute presentation on the topic of encryption. Who is taking this session? It would be good to club gpg key signing party and PLUG meet so that we can have encryption talk before gpg key signing. Thanks Praveen Hope to see you all there. Cheers. Aditya. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Debian conference in Pune - planning meeting this Sunday morning
2010/7/2 Praveen A prav...@gmail.com: Hi, MiniDebConf is planned for 31st July and 1st August. The idea is to bring together debian contributors and guide and mentor new contributors. We are meeting at #DebianIndia @ freenode around 10:00 am IST on 4th July 2010 to finalize the agenda. Join online at http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=debianindiauio=d4 Meeting minutes http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/MiniDebConf2010/IRClog More details about the event at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/MiniDebConf2010 You can add your name if you are interested to participate. Schedule is updated there -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Localisation Camp in Pune
Hi, We are organising a localisation camp in Red Hat office coming weekend (20, 21 March). Schedule is given below. Saturday 20th * 9am to 10 am - Registration/Introductions * 10 am to 11 am - Interactive Session on Free Software * 11 am to 12 pm - Enabling Applications for Localisation (Internationalisation or i18n) and key software components enabling a localised desktop experience (Unicode standard, Fonts, rendering engine or displaying Indic/complex text, locale, gettext ... ) - Naveen Kumar, Red Hat * 12 pm to 1 pm - Introducing Input methods (hands on) * lunch break * 2 pm to 3 pm - Localisation process and tools (where to get po files, editing PO files, tools available like glossary, fuel, translation memory ..., review and submission process for various languages) - Ankit Patel, Red Hat * 3 pm to 5 pm - Getting hands dirty with translations Sunday 21st * 9 am to 10 am - Other aspects of local language computing - discussion - (text to speech, speech recognition, optical character recognision/handwriting recognision, rendering issues, Indic calendars with holidays, ascii to unicode conversion ...) - Naveen Kumar, Red Hat * 10 am to 12 pm - Reviewing existing translations/discussing issues with regards to translations * 12 pm to 1 pm - Getting hands dirty with translations * lunch break * 2 pm to 3 pm - Closing discussion/feedback/todo/roadmap/future sessions/online participation For more details and registration see http://wiki.smc.org.in/Localisation_Camp/Pune We are limiting participants to first 25 registrations. So hurry up. - Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Need Help Regarding GPL
2009/12/28 Devendra Laulkar devendralaul...@yahoo.com: Yes, you have to give credit back to the original community. You will also have to state the changes that you have made to the code. I think the best way would be to retain the name of the community wherever it already exists. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IWantCredit As per this FAQ entry, all that is required is to keep the original copyright notice. There is no other requirement. Debian community re-branded Mozilla Firefox and packages it as IceWeasel. See [1] for more details.(although note that its not GPL) Debian was forced to change the name as Firefox name is trademarked by mozilla corporation. As usual, this is not legal opinion, I am not a lawyer. +1 - Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] accounting software under Linux
2009/1/13 Kulkarni Shantanu li...@shantanukulkarni.org: Can anyone having practical experience in such a software suggest any? Try this http://openerp.com/component/option,com_mtree/Itemid,111/task,listcats/cat_id,44/ - Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to plug-mail-requ...@plug.org.in for mailing instructions.
Re: [PLUG] An Open letter on OOXML happenings in India
2008/6/3 Vishal Rao [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nice, this is dated May 28th, I wonder if he's aware at the time of the appeal by India and 2 other countries against the ISO OOXML result. Searching for 'appeal' in the text found something, but not clear to me... He was a member of the committee which decided the fate of OOXML at BIS committe LITD 15. We don't have the full text of the appeal yet, but most of the issues are discussed in this letter. Cheers Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
[PLUG] BSNL DataOne
Hi All, Has anyone recently used BSNL DataOne broadband connection ? Any feedback's...like how's the serivice, connection. Cheers, -Praveen __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo -- __ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List: (plug-mail@plug.org.in) List Information: http://plug.org.in/mailing-list/listinfo/plug-mail Send 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mailing instructions.
