[PLUG] Citizen's Arrest of AI based humanoid...

[Shirish Bhagwat via plug-mail]

Are programmers feeding their humanoid "possibility of citizen's arrest"

Asking that humanoid to stay calm

Taking both bands behind and putting lock on those hands is a simple scenario.

Similarly obeying all laws becomes prime CMM 5 exercise for software industry 
before launch of any humanoid in public domain


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Re: [PLUG] Defeat of AI is sooner than later

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Taste of 'Defeat of AI' can be seen as early as 4th June.

AI = 19

All know 19 June "Celebrity of Politics" (COP)

~My Day Closes Now Here [ MDCNH = 42 i.e. जपान ]




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On 1 Jun 2024, 12:57 pm, at 12:57 pm, Shirish Bhagwat via plug-mail 
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>Use of common words [ similar sounding ] from multiple languages as
>Code Sentence will quickly defeat any automation or AI into
>nothingness... 
>
>The chatbots that get deployed & operate from human minds.
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>That trick is now अ "Copyright" here.
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[PLUG] Defeat of AI is sooner than later

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Use of common words [ similar sounding ] from multiple languages as Code 
Sentence will quickly defeat any automation or AI into nothingness... 

The chatbots that get deployed & operate from human minds.

That trick is now अ "Copyright" here.

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Re: [PLUG] ChatGPT & मी

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Writing 300 word essay in मराठी possible using ChatGPT.?

I think we must make it happen by feeding our  explanations in all local 
languages...

Not only it helps मराठी & local languages, it also enhances AI to progress 
rapidly like गुगल ऑथेंटिकेटर episode...

Safety of humans first.


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On 1 Jun 2024, 12:35 pm, at 12:35 pm, Shirish Bhagwat via plug-mail 
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>Everybody is really fascinated by ChatGPT & AI stuff...
>
>While I am still amused by new & simple expansion of word "PHONE"
>
>Physical Hashing Options Never Enlightens :: PHONE
>
>This can help technology advance AT THE SAME TiME eliminate madness
>inculcated by use of Physical Exersion [ like tearing all old
>newspapers over next few hours ]
>
>Coming to ChatGPT :: Constant duality of own mind, 1 that Pity's you =
>ChatGPT
>
>Window Manager :: Enlightenment
>Theme : Adwaita
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Re: [PLUG] Manjaro Latest & मी

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The ONLY question I asked that teenager in shorts & T-shirt who hit me [ Yamaha 
YD - 125 ] at 90° angle from right side...

Q. :: तुझं वय किती.?  [ He had even more younger boy as pillion rider ]

A. :: "17 i.e. १७"

I closed my case and went ahead in life.

Vehicle he was riding Royal Enfield [ Bullet ]



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On 1 Jun 2024, 11:43 am, at 11:43 am, Shirish Bhagwat via plug-mail 
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>My marital engagement was already done and I met with "great accident"
>on करीना कपूर्स birthday following शिरीष अग्रवाल visitation to my home
>
>Coming to the topic...
>
>Manjaro Linux vis-a-vis Mageia Linux
>
>Comparison is ON [ once more ]
>
>I kept all past details in my memory using श्री हनुमान चालीसा...
>
>Zoyd death mystery was already resolved in the past
>
>~Jai Saturday
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>On 1 Jun 2024, 11:36 am, at 11:36 am, Shirish Bhagwat via plug-mail
> wrote:
>>Porsche Kid [accident] reminds मी of Shirish Agrawal & first second
>>week of september in year 2002
>>
>>When ही found an excuse to visit my home to collect a CD and cause
>>better havoc in my life later with total dignity...
>>
>>I was staying in "Indira Heights" on rental basis
>>
>>What baffled मी was his active participation on PLUG & choosing to ask
>>a CD from मी instead of official channel.
>>
>>~Good Day
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>>On 1 Jun 2024, 11:28 am, at 11:28 am, Shirish Bhagwat
>> wrote:
>>>Nothing much beyond normal...
>>>
>>>I got an opportunity to install Manjaro Linux on Thinkpad L480
>>>
>>>Enjoyed it well.
>>>
>>>That was y'day.
>>>
>>>Tomorrow's a new day everyday.
>>>
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[PLUG] ChatGPT & मी

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Everybody is really fascinated by ChatGPT & AI stuff...

While I am still amused by new & simple expansion of word "PHONE"

Physical Hashing Options Never Enlightens :: PHONE

This can help technology advance AT THE SAME TiME eliminate madness inculcated 
by use of Physical Exersion [ like tearing all old newspapers over next few 
hours ]

Coming to ChatGPT :: Constant duality of own mind, 1 that Pity's you = ChatGPT

Window Manager :: Enlightenment
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Re: [PLUG] Manjaro Latest & मी

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I profusely thank शिरीष अग्रवाल because post that accident not only I am father 
of 2 wonderful daughters, I also learnt immense amount of spiritual secrets 
which otherwise would never happen..

e.g. despite knowing "Google Atheticator" for past few month/years... I never 
downloaded or installed it.

Yesterday was 1st instance I downloded and use गुगल ऑथेंटिकेटर...

rest of the news [ Google Related, yesterday ] most maybe aware of by now



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On 1 Jun 2024, 11:43 am, at 11:43 am, Shirish Bhagwat via plug-mail 
 wrote:
>My marital engagement was already done and I met with "great accident"
>on करीना कपूर्स birthday following शिरीष अग्रवाल visitation to my home
>
>Coming to the topic...
>
>Manjaro Linux vis-a-vis Mageia Linux
>
>Comparison is ON [ once more ]
>
>I kept all past details in my memory using श्री हनुमान चालीसा...
>
>Zoyd death mystery was already resolved in the past
>
>~Jai Saturday
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>On 1 Jun 2024, 11:36 am, at 11:36 am, Shirish Bhagwat via plug-mail
> wrote:
>>Porsche Kid [accident] reminds मी of Shirish Agrawal & first second
>>week of september in year 2002
>>
>>When ही found an excuse to visit my home to collect a CD and cause
>>better havoc in my life later with total dignity...
>>
>>I was staying in "Indira Heights" on rental basis
>>
>>What baffled मी was his active participation on PLUG & choosing to ask
>>a CD from मी instead of official channel.
>>
>>~Good Day
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>>On 1 Jun 2024, 11:28 am, at 11:28 am, Shirish Bhagwat
>> wrote:
>>>Nothing much beyond normal...
>>>
>>>I got an opportunity to install Manjaro Linux on Thinkpad L480
>>>
>>>Enjoyed it well.
>>>
>>>That was y'day.
>>>
>>>Tomorrow's a new day everyday.
>>>
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Re: [PLUG] Manjaro Latest & मी

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My marital engagement was already done and I met with "great accident" on करीना 
कपूर्स birthday following शिरीष अग्रवाल visitation to my home

Coming to the topic...

Manjaro Linux vis-a-vis Mageia Linux

Comparison is ON [ once more ]

I kept all past details in my memory using श्री हनुमान चालीसा...

Zoyd death mystery was already resolved in the past

~Jai Saturday

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On 1 Jun 2024, 11:36 am, at 11:36 am, Shirish Bhagwat via plug-mail 
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>Porsche Kid [accident] reminds मी of Shirish Agrawal & first second
>week of september in year 2002
>
>When ही found an excuse to visit my home to collect a CD and cause
>better havoc in my life later with total dignity...
>
>I was staying in "Indira Heights" on rental basis
>
>What baffled मी was his active participation on PLUG & choosing to ask
>a CD from मी instead of official channel.
>
>~Good Day
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>On 1 Jun 2024, 11:28 am, at 11:28 am, Shirish Bhagwat
> wrote:
>>Nothing much beyond normal...
>>
>>I got an opportunity to install Manjaro Linux on Thinkpad L480
>>
>>Enjoyed it well.
>>
>>That was y'day.
>>
>>Tomorrow's a new day everyday.
>>
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Re: [PLUG] Manjaro Latest & मी

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Porsche Kid [accident] reminds मी of Shirish Agrawal & first second week of 
september in year 2002

When ही found an excuse to visit my home to collect a CD and cause better havoc 
in my life later with total dignity...

I was staying in "Indira Heights" on rental basis

What baffled मी was his active participation on PLUG & choosing to ask a CD 
from मी instead of official channel.

~Good Day
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>Nothing much beyond normal...
>
>I got an opportunity to install Manjaro Linux on Thinkpad L480
>
>Enjoyed it well.
>
>That was y'day.
>
>Tomorrow's a new day everyday.
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[PLUG] Manjaro Latest & मी

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Nothing much beyond normal...

I got an opportunity to install Manjaro Linux on Thinkpad L480

Enjoyed it well.

That was y'day.

Tomorrow's a new day everyday.

~जय शनिदेव [ First Saturday of Every Month ]

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Re: [PLUG] How to set path of shell script in .profile in Ubuntu 23.x system?

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Almost like a vendor on Amazon / Flipkart sells merchandise that gets delivered 
via respective delivery agent & you praise delivery company for merchandise 
instead of real vendor for ...

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>Just a hunch...
>
>Use .xinitrc to set/write a variable to a file that will be read to
>assign MTU value when concerned app  gets started.
>
>Just suggesting a thinking line , may not be a solution directly...
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>>Can't you try "set" command via .xinitrc.?
>>
>>Like "set xhostname = शंतनु"
>>
>>For Example
>>
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>>On Apr 15, 2024, 10:00 AM, at 10:00 AM, Shantanoo via plug-mail
>> wrote:
>>>Hi,
>>>~/.xinitrc was/is used by X. Check out section 2.1 on
>>>https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xinit. I think even desktop
>>>environments
>>>do have their own rc files. For setting MTU, which is not depended on
>>>any desktop environment initialisation, ~/.xinitrc might be useful.
>>>
>>>--
>>>शंतनू
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sun, 14-Apr-2024 at 00:59:47 IST, Amey via plug-mail wrote:
>>>>Hello Gaurav,
>>>>On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 at 06:13, Gaurav Pant via plug-mail
>>>><[1]plug-mail@plug.org.in> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>See inline
>>>>On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 12:12 PM Amey Abhyankar via plug-mail
>>>><[2]plug-mail@plug.org.in> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hello All,
>>>>I haven't done this in ages hence thought of asking here thank
>>>you.
>>>>I have a simple shell script which will set mtu after I login
>via
>>>GUI.
>>>>[Ubuntu 23.x system]
>>>>I want to set it under .profile but I'm not sure exactly how to
>>>put the
>>>>path of my script in the .profile
>>>>I do not want to copy-paste the script in the .profile of my
>>user.
>>>>
>>>>The .profile is run when you start an instance of bash.  It
>would
>>>not
>>>>run when GUI starts.  If you want the setting globally put it
>>>under the
>>>>main profile file.
>>>>
>>>>Understood thanks.
>>>>
>>>>Any thoughts on how to do it?
>>>>
>>>>You can check out this link. Hopefully it provides and ans
>>>>
>>>[3]https://askubuntu.com/questions/1391030/ubuntu-run-bash-script-on-st
>>>>artup-with-visible-terminal
>>>>
>>>>I tried searching for solutions at stackoverflow but all
>>solutions
>>>I
>>>>found so far are suggesting to put the content of the script
>>under
>>>>.profile
>>>>Thanks & Regards,
>>>>Amey.
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>>>>2. mailto:plug-mail@plug.org.in
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>>>https://askubuntu.com/questions/1391030/ubuntu-run-bash-script-on-startup-with-visible-terminal
>>>>4. mailto:plug-mail@plug.org.in
>>>>5. http://list.plug.org.in/listinfo/plug-mail
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>>>>7. mailto:plug-mail@plug.org.in
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Re: [PLUG] How to set path of shell script in .profile in Ubuntu 23.x system?

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Just a hunch...

Use .xinitrc to set/write a variable to a file that will be read to assign MTU 
value when concerned app  gets started.

Just suggesting a thinking line , may not be a solution directly...

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On Apr 15, 2024, 2:48 PM, at 2:48 PM, "Shirish शरदचंद्र Bhagwat via plug-mail" 
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>Can't you try "set" command via .xinitrc.?
>
>Like "set xhostname = शंतनु"
>
>For Example
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>>Hi,
>>~/.xinitrc was/is used by X. Check out section 2.1 on
>>https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xinit. I think even desktop
>>environments
>>do have their own rc files. For setting MTU, which is not depended on
>>any desktop environment initialisation, ~/.xinitrc might be useful.
>>
>>--
>>शंतनू
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 14-Apr-2024 at 00:59:47 IST, Amey via plug-mail wrote:
>>>Hello Gaurav,
>>>On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 at 06:13, Gaurav Pant via plug-mail
>>><[1]plug-mail@plug.org.in> wrote:
>>>
>>>See inline
>>>On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 12:12 PM Amey Abhyankar via plug-mail
>>><[2]plug-mail@plug.org.in> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hello All,
>>>I haven't done this in ages hence thought of asking here thank
>>you.
>>>I have a simple shell script which will set mtu after I login via
>>GUI.
>>>[Ubuntu 23.x system]
>>>I want to set it under .profile but I'm not sure exactly how to
>>put the
>>>path of my script in the .profile
>>>I do not want to copy-paste the script in the .profile of my
>user.
>>>
>>>The .profile is run when you start an instance of bash.  It would
>>not
>>>run when GUI starts.  If you want the setting globally put it
>>under the
>>>main profile file.
>>>
>>>Understood thanks.
>>>
>>>Any thoughts on how to do it?
>>>
>>>You can check out this link. Hopefully it provides and ans
>>>
>>[3]https://askubuntu.com/questions/1391030/ubuntu-run-bash-script-on-st
>>>artup-with-visible-terminal
>>>
>>>I tried searching for solutions at stackoverflow but all
>solutions
>>I
>>>found so far are suggesting to put the content of the script
>under
>>>.profile
>>>Thanks & Regards,
>>>Amey.
>>>
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>>>2. mailto:plug-mail@plug.org.in
>>>3.
>>https://askubuntu.com/questions/1391030/ubuntu-run-bash-script-on-startup-with-visible-terminal
>>>4. mailto:plug-mail@plug.org.in
>>>5. http://list.plug.org.in/listinfo/plug-mail
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Re: [PLUG] How to set path of shell script in .profile in Ubuntu 23.x system?

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Can't you try "set" command via .xinitrc.?

Like "set xhostname = शंतनु"

For Example

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On Apr 15, 2024, 10:00 AM, at 10:00 AM, Shantanoo via plug-mail 
 wrote:
>Hi,
>~/.xinitrc was/is used by X. Check out section 2.1 on
>https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xinit. I think even desktop
>environments
>do have their own rc files. For setting MTU, which is not depended on
>any desktop environment initialisation, ~/.xinitrc might be useful.
>
>--
>शंतनू
>
>
>On Sun, 14-Apr-2024 at 00:59:47 IST, Amey via plug-mail wrote:
>>Hello Gaurav,
>>On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 at 06:13, Gaurav Pant via plug-mail
>><[1]plug-mail@plug.org.in> wrote:
>>
>>See inline
>>On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 12:12 PM Amey Abhyankar via plug-mail
>><[2]plug-mail@plug.org.in> wrote:
>>
>>Hello All,
>>I haven't done this in ages hence thought of asking here thank
>you.
>>I have a simple shell script which will set mtu after I login via
>GUI.
>>[Ubuntu 23.x system]
>>I want to set it under .profile but I'm not sure exactly how to
>put the
>>path of my script in the .profile
>>I do not want to copy-paste the script in the .profile of my user.
>>
>>The .profile is run when you start an instance of bash.  It would
>not
>>run when GUI starts.  If you want the setting globally put it
>under the
>>main profile file.
>>
>>Understood thanks.
>>
>>Any thoughts on how to do it?
>>
>>You can check out this link. Hopefully it provides and ans
>>
>[3]https://askubuntu.com/questions/1391030/ubuntu-run-bash-script-on-st
>>artup-with-visible-terminal
>>
>>I tried searching for solutions at stackoverflow but all solutions
>I
>>found so far are suggesting to put the content of the script under
>>.profile
>>Thanks & Regards,
>>Amey.
>>
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>>2. mailto:plug-mail@plug.org.in
>>3.
>https://askubuntu.com/questions/1391030/ubuntu-run-bash-script-on-startup-with-visible-terminal
>>4. mailto:plug-mail@plug.org.in
>>5. http://list.plug.org.in/listinfo/plug-mail
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Re: [PLUG] Resting Opportunity & Zoyd...

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बेझोपास्तनास्ते is the third word in expansion of K.G.B. {Erstwhile Russian 
Intelligence wing}

K.G.B. :: कोमितेत गेसुदार्स्तनॉय बेझोपास्तनास्ते

In addition to words Benzoid & Ben Kingsley

K+G+B = 11+7+2 = "20 मतलब पुणे" owing to change 020 from 0212 before happenings 
of 9/11 in USA.

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On Apr 13, 2024, 7:54 PM, at 7:54 PM, "Shirish शरदचंद्र Bhagwat via plug-mail" 
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>GNU cause
>Benzoid
>Ben Kinglay
>RMS intransgence remaining uncontained till quite late cased it.
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Re: [PLUG] Artificial or Otherwise intelligence which plays smartness...

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Typically "third world war" can commence only after second is logically, 
practically & reasonable over in every [IN]sane person's mind.

India is "अ third world" country in originality.

Hence important for commencement of Third World War, if that was ever to happen 
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>>As the reply list grows, group signatures repeatedly getting appended
>>at the bottom or top as the case maybe become tail piece of Lord
>>Hanuman.
>>
>>Nobody will pay you or anybody else to write a patch script which
>>removes stale signatures during each reply to the original thread.
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Re: [PLUG] Artificial or Otherwise intelligence which plays smartness...

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Most important consideration here is Mailing List as software must only wipe 
our own previous signature before affixing a new signature while propagating.

Not other about others' signatures which may or maynot get appended/prepended.

"Do your own job right" being the principle.

The Problem Statement is slowly getting defined...



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>Hanuman.
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>removes stale signatures during each reply to the original thread.
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[PLUG] Artificial or Otherwise intelligence which plays smartness...

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Problem Statement is simple...

As the reply list grows, group signatures repeatedly getting appended at the 
bottom or top as the case maybe become tail piece of Lord Hanuman.

Nobody will pay you or anybody else to write a patch script which removes stale 
signatures during each reply to the original thread.

Only once it needs implemented for any thread

Maybe it's like research about common cold health condition.

But now it is stated 'at least once' as "action item" on plug.

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Re: [PLUG] Resting Opportunity & Zoyd...

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GNU/Linux = 42/80

So slash is valued at 38

But S+L+A+S+H = 59

Arrival year of H.H. Dalai Lama in India.

59 - 38 = 21 that is third letter in word GNU but 4th in word LiNUX.

~"Twitter Minus Ninety One Equals X"

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Re: [PLUG] Resting Opportunity & Zoyd...

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GNU cause
Benzoid
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[PLUG] Resting Opportunity & Zoyd...

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Months & years of research concluded into cause of his death with few words of 
solace...

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[PLUG] My Linux Problems while I was away from PLUG

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The first thing was finding out "who I am not", next was accepting "who I am" 
and not having any doubts afterwards...

This much is settled for PLUG & Linux

GNU's NOT Unix :: So need I worry about what's "NOT Even Linux".?

We can think of GNU as "Odd Linux" & forget about it.

ODD = 15+4+4 = 23 [ that was yesterday in this month, we are past it ]


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Re: [PLUG] Knoppix live cd

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Have done that. The issue is not of batteries but when electricity
goes down, the system should still be running. I even added couple of
lead-acid batteries just in case the system was not able to cope or
something but still the issue remains :(

On 29/08/2023, Arun Khan via plug-mail  wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 5:13 AM shirish शिरीष via plug-mail <
> plug-mail@plug.org.in> wrote:
>
>> Sorry took me time but was finally able to blog about it.
>>
>> https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2023/08/28/fscking-home/
>>
>> Feedback, brickbats all welcome :)
>>
>
> UPS batteries have a life after which you need to replace them; typically
> after about 3 years.
> You are expecting a 6-7 year-old UPS  (assuming you did not replace the
> battery) to give backup power?
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Re: [PLUG] Knoppix live cd

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Sorry took me time but was finally able to blog about it.

https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2023/08/28/fscking-home/

Feedback, brickbats all welcome :)


On 18/08/2023, shirish शिरीष  wrote:
> Op visited Vishal's place. Vishal did a bang up job of providing all
> the tools and more.
>
> I was able to fix the things and run, will post in more detail on my
> blog. Ventoy is quite a useful tool and probably should be a mandatory
> tool especially if you are distro-hopping and just want to look and
> see.
>
> On 16/08/2023, Vishal Rao via plug-mail  wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 at 12:57, Arun Khan via plug-mail
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 10:45 PM Sudhanwa Jogalekar via plug-mail
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Got Ubuntu 2204 bootable pen drive. That should be useful to you.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 6:55 PM shirish शिरीष via plug-mail
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi, am in bit of jam. Can someone help out. Have bandwidth, have pen
>>> >> drive. Unable to mount /home hence need a knoppix live cd to fsck
>>> >> /home
>>> >> & be able to mount it. Please lemme know if someone can help.
>>> >>
>>> >> Connect offline/offlist if willing/able to help.
>>>
>>> I think the OP wants someone to make a bootable USB pen drive for him
>>> at his location.
>>> FWIW, System Rescue CD has all the requisite tools for recovering
>>> systems https://www.system-rescue.org/Download/  It is updated on a
>>> regular basis.
>>> Not sure if Knoppix is being maintained.
>>>
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>> this tool too, thanks! We plan to use ventoy.net on his new 32gb pen
>> drive so multiple ISOs can be booted off the same...
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Re: [PLUG] Knoppix live cd

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Op visited Vishal's place. Vishal did a bang up job of providing all
the tools and more.

I was able to fix the things and run, will post in more detail on my
blog. Ventoy is quite a useful tool and probably should be a mandatory
tool especially if you are distro-hopping and just want to look and
see.

On 16/08/2023, Vishal Rao via plug-mail  wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 at 12:57, Arun Khan via plug-mail
>  wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 10:45 PM Sudhanwa Jogalekar via plug-mail
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > Got Ubuntu 2204 bootable pen drive. That should be useful to you.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 6:55 PM shirish शिरीष via plug-mail
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi, am in bit of jam. Can someone help out. Have bandwidth, have pen
>> >> drive. Unable to mount /home hence need a knoppix live cd to fsck /home
>> >> & be able to mount it. Please lemme know if someone can help.
>> >>
>> >> Connect offline/offlist if willing/able to help.
>>
>> I think the OP wants someone to make a bootable USB pen drive for him
>> at his location.
>> FWIW, System Rescue CD has all the requisite tools for recovering
>> systems https://www.system-rescue.org/Download/  It is updated on a
>> regular basis.
>> Not sure if Knoppix is being maintained.
>>
>> --
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> this tool too, thanks! We plan to use ventoy.net on his new 32gb pen
> drive so multiple ISOs can be booted off the same...
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Re: [PLUG] Knoppix live cd

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Am on mobile so will be brief. Not trying to incite a religious war or
anything. Knoppix was launched & took the web by storm in 2002. Klaus
Knopper was the first guy to think & launch a live cd. He used a combo of
hwsetup (from Redhat), a whole bunch of stuff from Debian. There's actually
an interview of him in May 2002.

Ubuntu meanwhile for all their resources launched in/around mid 2005. I
remember both as both also came in lfy couple months later. IIRC lfy had
also shared distrowatch interview.

So Klaus Knopper took stuff from rh, Debian & later even bsd (security
tools). The above mentioned hwsetup is still used while installing Debian.

That alone should tell you. Btw one way or another Debian did get
influenced & started carrying the same tools.

Ubuntu on the other hand, has deviated a lot. How good or bad I leave to
other's judgments.

Till later.

Fwiw, wayback archive machine could be used to authenticate the data, I
might be wrong by few months but definitely Ubuntu came much much later.

On Wed, 9 Aug, 2023, 10:44 pm Sudhanwa Jogalekar, 
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> Got Ubuntu 2204 bootable pen drive. That should be useful to you.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 6:55 PM shirish शिरीष via plug-mail <
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>> Hi, am in bit of jam. Can someone help out. Have bandwidth, have pen
>> drive. Unable to mount /home hence need a knoppix live cd to fsck /home &
>> be able to mount it. Please lemme know if someone can help.
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[PLUG] Knoppix live cd

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Hi, am in bit of jam. Can someone help out. Have bandwidth, have pen drive.
Unable to mount /home hence need a knoppix live cd to fsck /home & be able
to mount it. Please lemme know if someone can help.

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Re: [PLUG] Call for Volunteers for DebConf Organizing Team in India.

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at bottom :-

On 22/03/2019, Ranjith R  wrote:
> Hello Shirish and others
>
> I will be interested to volunteer for the debconf
>
> Ranjith
>



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Re: [PLUG] Call for Volunteers for DebConf Organizing Team in India.

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Name has been added to the list.

On 22/03/2019, Shobha Tyagi  wrote:
> Hi! Raju,
>
> Please add my name in the volunteers list. I would be very happy to be help
> in any way I can.
>
> Thanks,
> Shobha
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Re: [PLUG] Debconf 20/21 in India

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at bottom :-

On 07/08/2018, Rigved Rakshit  wrote:
> Thanks everyone for submitting the bid for DebConf in India.
>
> If we are thinking of IIT Mumbai as a venue for DebConf 20, then we need to
> make sure that IIT Mumbai gives us solid WiFi and mobile carrier signals in
> the campus. During the Mini-DebConf there, we had big issues with internet
> connectivity. This is something which we can easily fix with help of
> current students.
>
> We have good volunteer numbers in Pune and Mumbai combined, for on the
> ground support before the event (if it does happen). Also, Mumbai has many
> hotels to accommodate a large contingent and the IIT campus is large enough
> to accommodate multiple parallel tracks. Plus, we have many good
> sightseeing places nearby the city.
>
> Adding Mumbai LUG to CC.
>
>

>
> Best Regards,
> Rigved
>

Dear Rigved,

That might not be enough. Debian has a dedicated video-team and
livestreams as much as possible. They usually talk about 10 GB
switches.

While they usually quite a bit of their own equipment, they do need
that sort of bandwidth to distribute among all the attendees who need
access to web, the livestream, people coding and uploading code to the
archive.

They also usually have a full or partial mirror, perhaps also a build
server https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWannaBuildInfrastructure so just
having good wifi might not cut it.

They usually bring a few rooted wifi modems which they put across the
campus, the dorms where people are, social place/s where people hang
out etc.

If Debian gives the go-ahead, the team of local volunteers along with
Debian network admins do the needful, this is something we need to
keep in mind.

Although with the movement of Reliance Jio and others towards FFTH
deployments that may not be an issue if we are targeting 2020-2021
whenever we feel we are ready to put a strong bid, although usually
you put the bid once or twice before it's accepted.

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Re: [PLUG] Debconf 20/21 in India

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at bottom :-

On 06/08/2018, akshat  wrote:
> Thank you, Raju, for the wonderful presentation. It was a quite a nice
> experience in attending DebConf18 and meeting the Debian community. All I
> have seen that most of the people are inclined towards making happen a
> DebConf20 at India which initially we were not thinking about. They have
> forced us to bid this time and we have already accepted the challenge :)
> Let's do the hard work and win the bid.
>



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While Pune could be a good bid, although AFAIK only 2-3 international
flights originate from Pune. Most people would probably need to have
Mumbai as the entry point.

One another place I would like to just throw in the ring is SECMOL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonam_Wangchuk_(engineer)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students%27_Educational_and_Cultural_Movement_of_Ladakh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIfnw_PxweA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH1HCYy1NTc

Many people mistakenly think of him as the thought or representation
of Phunsukh Wangdu in 3 Idiots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejhSFlV-6Gc

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1187043/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3685624/ (the American not so great version)

It would be a great place to have a minidebconf  at the very least.

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Re: [PLUG] Debconf 20/21 in India

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In-line :-

On 06/08/2018, Skool!lookS  wrote:
> Kerala is a better place according to me.
>
> In 52 years of life thus far I found no other complelling reason to
> reach there despite it being called "God's Own Country".
>
> It may change with this option... Debcon may be irrelevant for me,
> Kerala isn't..!
>
>

Can you stop insulting and put the proper name 'Debconf' rather than 'Debcon' .

It's insulting.

Also you took a thread which is happening in debian-india and plugging
it in 'plug-in' . Is this some ploy to drive some traffic to 'plug-in'
?

That's like taking somebody's code and claiming it as yours :(

If you have no interest in Debconf then nobody is stopping you from
visiting Kerala now or in October/November .

FSF does their thing every year, even Amrita University does a free
software program every year, it doesn't need a Debconf to appreciate
what Kerala has to offer. You will find more free software activities
which happen there all the time, at least much more to what Pune does.

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Re: [PLUG] Debconf 20/21 in India

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On 06/08/2018, Skool!lookS  wrote:
> Without wasting my time in analyzing what you are trying to say or
> purportedly attempting to appear to say I will replace one word
> "descend" with two appearing as "climb down" in my previous post.
>
> Others may and can contributely freely to this debate ONLY today,
> because tomorrow is another (meaning disrespectful) day for me when
> written thus.
>



Nope, they already do it in universities and people who go to hotels
do of their own free will.

Btw why don't you put @debian-in while asking your questions, nobody I
know at least in PLUG has answered or will answer.

And once and for all, who are you to talk on behalf of debian-india
please share ?  As shared before, it's upto people in Debian-India and
the sponsorers, delegates, organizers etc. whether or not whether they
want to have a Debconf in India or not, most importantly the
organizers when they feel fit to organize Debconf in India, work hard
for it and get the green signal from Debian. If it were not a
prestigious event than don't think people from 3 other countries would
also be trying to woo them to hold Debconf in their country.

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Re: [PLUG] Debconf 20/21 in India

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On 06/08/2018, Skool!lookS  wrote:
> Affraid of argument?
>
> Feel free to express...
>
> Origin of name Debian. ..  and what not?
>
> I think it will be better to not hold conference in India if comfort
> becomes a priority and that too at Company's Dime..
>
> We just hold onto our "Nickel", till "Cent" prefers to descend from Cloud 9.
>

Guru,

It's the companies who sponsor and make money on Debian. Why do you
think the companies who sponsor debconf shell so much money on Debian
?

https://debconf18.debconf.org/

See the list of sponsors.

https://media.debconf.org/dc18/fundraising/debconf18_sponsorship_brochure_en.pdf

Also then what would say of nullcon India and other such conferences.

https://nullcon.net/website/

https://nullcon.net/website/register.php

It's up to the people who want to have the conference to put in
efforts or not, not you.

There are dozens of conferences round the year which use similar models.

Hope Conference US sells tickets for the conference

https://hope.net/

https://store.2600.com/products/tickets-to-the-circle-of-hope?variant=5063506821157

although it was in bad news for not enforcing its own CoC but that's a
different matter altogether.

What needs to be understood is there is no 'company' behind Debian to
foot the bill. It's a volunteer-based organization. Companies who
benefit from Debian continue to sponsor the conferences and those who
cannot send their people as corporate attendees.

One point to note is Debian does sponsor people who have skills, show
commitment and works towards making Debian better which includes
footing fully or partially their food, travel and stay at the local
dorm.

I am guessing you have no issues with ruby conference asking for
sponsorship money and making money on tickets, only Debian ?

https://www.rubyconfindia.org/pdf/RCI19SponsorshipProspectus.pdf

https://www.townscript.com/e/rci19/booking

I could give dozens of examples and if you put in the hard work you
probably would get them all as well.

Give me an argument worth fighting for, mate.

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Re: [PLUG] Debconf 20/21 in India

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On 06/08/2018, Skool!lookS  wrote:
>



>
> What Three Star hotel availability has got to do with DebCon?
>
> Ethiopia may have only huts, is technology an enabler or tool for
> dividing people into comfort and display of how hospitable scene can be?
>
> Think of it like the Title "City of Joy" (because I haven't read it) and
> learn to NJoy..
>
> Many people call me by name Shirish, but Donkey will also be equally
> good with proper case like "DonKey" :-)
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Dear Guru/Skoolooks/Shirish ,

It's possible you have not attended Debconf. The reason for having
different types of accommodation is some people are on company's dime
when they are attending debconf called Corporate Registration - See
https://debconf18.debconf.org/about/registration/

While not a rule, usually people who are on company's rolls usually
like to be on hotels as it makes things easier for the company as
well. Also there is and are possibilities of families which are not
covered by sponsorship while one of the member is covered in which
case also people may choose to check into hotel. Having a choice of
hotel/hotels just gives that much more flexibility for both the
organizers and the attendees.

@Siji, like the idea of doing it in IIT-Mumbai, space is not an issue
and it's a huge campus so we could take them around the campus, the
Powai lake is sure to be an instant hit .

Anyways, for now we could use this
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf19/Bids/Curitiba as a possible
template of things to fill in before putting in a serious bid.  So
people will need to put in lot more minidebconfs if we are to put in a
serious bid :)

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Re: [PLUG] Debconf 20/21 in India

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On 05/08/2018, Amey Abhyankar  wrote:
> नमस्ते,
>
> On 4 August 2018 at 13:03, rajudev  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 4 अगस्त 2018 3:21:07 pm GMT+08:00, Siji Sunny 
>> wrote:
>>>> Hello.
>>>>
>>>> On 3 August 2018 6:02:48 PM IST, Raju Devidas 
>>>wrote:
>>>> >Namaste Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> >I have not decided up on the City or venue.
>>>> >If you have any suggestions regarding the same, let us know.
>>>> >The general consensus is to make it happen in Kerala or at Pune,
>>>> >Maharashtra.
>
> Pune is definitely a good strategic city.
> Close to Asia's 1 of the busiest airport i.e. Mumbai & accessible from
> Bangalore,Hyderabad,Cochin & other metro cities by several mode of
> transportations.
>
> I have a wild guess that University of Pune aka Savitribai Phule
> university can help to host DebConf.
>
> I have attended Cent OS DOJO event in University Of Pune's campus few
> years back arranged by Pune Linux User Group.
>
> University Of Pune has many dormitories.
> Date just need to be when its holiday time for university students I guess.
> :-)
>

Dear Amey,

I dunno if we chose Pune to be the host city that Savitribhai Phule
University may be a good match or not. There has been a lot of
disturbing news coming from the University.

a. Couple of years ago the Police Station which was at the entrance of
the University was moved, why we don't know.

b. Security is and continues to be an issue. Chain-snatching and
robberies have been reported in the area but no action taken.

c. I have seen some of the dorms and seen that many are not maintained
properly. Bed bugs and issues like that. In fact just few months ago,
quite a number of students have agitated about the conditions in the
hostels/dorms.

d. The budget of the University has been shrinking over the years and
has been in the news for that.

If you think of some specific building or/and buildings we can check
out together let me know, would be willing to come there and see if it
can be usable for a conference of the size that we need.

e. There are alternatives near the University as well, IISER is one,
the building opposite the Pune University entrance which has the IAS
Officers training courses has pretty good hall .

All of these venues we would need to talk and ask and know budgets,
availability etc.

There are multiple 1/2/3 star hotels all over the road which we would
need to talk as well as some people may not want to be in dorms even
if they were clean.

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Re: [PLUG] CoFSuG and FOSS and PLUG

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On 31/03/2018, Skool!lookS <look.k...@guruvision.com> wrote:
> if it is not the same Shirish Agarwal that I am referring to then "Let
> all the peace in the world be with you" and you can/may continue writing
> long essays to the best of your capabilities.
>

and still no answers, just like the Govt. of the day, man gaye Guru :)

as somebody who has there been from day 1 as you yourself shared why
no answer for the interim 5 year period archive 2001-2005.

The only thing I need to learn from you is to insinuate without giving
any explanation back.

So peace in the world it is. I do note that nobody except you took
even the time and the effort to even acknowledge any efforts. But then
as always it comes to nothing as it always has.

> However some plug members maybe (or may not be) facing a problem with
> "The Name".
>

Oh, come on. When we are supposed to have 7 look-alikes then having 2
people having the same name and surname supposed to be a relevation. I
mean, come on we are 1.2 billion + people living in this country mate.

> The purpose of starting this thread was to de-threading the complexity
> associated with common names. (सब तो भारतरत्न अटल बिहारी वाजपेयी नही बन
> सकते, कुछ लोगोंका रोल लालकृष्ण आडवाणी का भी हो सकता है :-) )
>
>

Nope. The purpose of starting the thread as stated by you was to ask
cofsug to put image of PLUG besides it.  When I wouldn't agree with
you and I still don't.  I feel its brilliant that not just cofsug but
I would let say let 100 other groups like that proliferate.  Just like
distributions did and still do .

Of course whether people want to associate themselves with me or not
is something they need to ask themselves not me.

> स्वल्पाक्षरं असंदिग्धं सारवत् विश्वतोमुखम्
>

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Re: [PLUG] CoFSuG and FOSS and PLUG

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On 31/03/2018, Skool!lookS <look.k...@guruvision.com> wrote:
> On Friday 30 March 2018 05:26 PM, shirish शिरीष wrote:
>> On 30/03/2018, Skool!lookS <look.k...@guruvision.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>
> Please stop spreading false information about PLUG or otherwise.
>
> Most people associated with PLUG know it operates in a slightly
> different way. I am probably associated for longer still I do not know
> many things today.
>

What I shared is at least 5 years back story, not today and I have not
even shared even half the things.  This was when a friend of mine got
admitted to a western university and I came to know that there are
chairs like these in the European Union (EU) and quite a few students
do get paid to work on foss outside of GSOC like environments. But as
shared nothing ever came out of it in SICSR.  And this was when the
management of SICSR was with us, at least the director who was
thrilled with the prospect.

There was also talk of using MOOCs in a big way and even have most of
the courseware freely available as mit does.  There is not even a
proper FAQ which should be the basic resource but guess nobody thought
of having that till date.

http://hsg.elearning.sicsr.ac.in/login/index.php is there but requires
registration and stuff
while MIT gives even it notes, assignments, course materials all for free.

an e.g. 
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-785-number-theory-i-fall-2017/lecture-notes/

would have been nice to see sicsr name here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_open_online_course

Of course one cannot compare as there would be a world of difference
between the budgets of the two institutes.

It is one of the reasons I simply stopped going because nothing
was/has been happening.

Could you for a second 'elaborate' on how plug is 'different'  .
Something concrete rather than something 'vague' just as you shared
above.

Whenever I ask for any explanations how come it is all to be swept
under the carpet and only I should be answering .

People used to come to plug looking for help and guidance.

They had even started a sysadmin thing for couple of weeks which was
soon stopped afterwards, again no explanation ever given why it was
stopped.

Should having an event once a year managed by students learning
hospitality and having once a month meeting be enough to say that plug
has contributed.

> You have been associated with PLUG since before year 2002 (Shall I say
> 2001 now?)
>
> You had been visiting people associated with PLUG in a (may I say in the
> disguise of) way for collecting CDs etc. when needed (so to say).
>
> On one such occasion in Aug-Sept 2002 you also happened to have visited
> my place.
>

I think you are mistaking me for another Shirish.

I joined plug in/around 2005ish. So it couldn't possibly be me.

I was told that there was another shirish when I had joined but if my
memory is right, he had a different surname or am I have supposed to
change my religion, my surname just so I could fabricate 17 years of
identity so that it could be all unraveled by you in a second.

I am glad though you bought this point up as well.

Could you or anybody share why the public archives are from 2005 only.

If plug has been active since 2001 then why aren't the public archives
till then and only 2005.

Using a bit of debian history here. Some of the most political mailing
lists on debian are

https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/

Just read one of the first posts -

https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/1999/10/msg2.html which
talks about 'cabal' and over the years (from around 2006/7 onwards) I
have been a lurker there and seen many wild discussions and debates.

and

https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/

and both have all the archives from day 1.

I do know that the other shirish was 'banned' . If I am purported to
be the same 'shirish' then  how come I was allowed to come again ?

I do know there were lot of acrimony back then, although am unaware of
the details.  I was told that plug had literally divided into two
camps or something.

> I do not know what was your purpose then for that visit, it was CD that
> was easily available with anybody else and still you needed it from me.
>

are you sure it was me and not the other shirish.

Because the time-frame you share I had subscriptions of both PC Quest
and Digit and I was in my early 20's then while the other gentleman
was supposed to be in 30's then.

> Because you made that visit as a plug member I tried to help you the
> best I can.
>

I just have no idea.

> Post that visit of yours, I met with almost a fatal accident (something
> like ZOYD met with few years later).
>

Are you trying to tell me that because of my 'alleged' visit I somehow
made you have an almost fatal accident.

This I do know because I had met zoyd just a few days before he died
but this was circa 2005/6  if memor

Re: [PLUG] CoFSuG and FOSS and PLUG

[shirish शिरीष]

ss notes either on their own
or in consultation with SICSR on each of these topics or even one of
the topics.  Hell,  even mozilla community which has quite a few
students from SICSR were able to more effective in mozilla and
elsewhere rather than in PLUG.

If nothing else, plug could have put up a press page then and even now
and let people know its positions as and when various issues come up
and help people in making informed decisions. This is not just about
being free software but being a basic citizen and making democracy
work.

As a deemed university plug could have shared so much about the
philosophy within the Symbiosis university itself .  The 28 colleges
under it 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiosis_International_(Deemed_University)
would have been more than enough to be a force to be reckoned with.

There were plans to have the whole of SICSR put to free software and
then to do the same with all the other 28 colleges which come under it
but dunno what happened about that.

> Please enlighten us further...
>
>>
>> Disclaimer - I may be partly biased as I have had taken part in
>> cofsug's activities in the past.
>
> Bias should be based on Merit. Not on mere participation. There is a
> difference.
>

Thank you, that is what I meant.  Even public speaking or taking
workshops for me is just participation as we learn more when we share
rather than otherwise.

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Re: [PLUG] CoFSuG and FOSS and PLUG

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On 27/03/2018, Skool!lookS <look.k...@guruvision.com> wrote:
> In a quick search...
>
> I find it really interesting to note that following the Spirit of GPL
> and copying after giving due credit, CofSuG has in no place mentioned
> PLUG anywhere.
>
> Why this double standard from Champions of FOSS?
>
> Shirish शिरीष,
> "We Bow Thee". Please enlighten us on this matter. Your opinions are of
> high value in our progress here at PLUG.
>
> In my opinion, they have on number of occasions drawn/sought help from PLUG.
>
> Just the fodder for Tomorrow, The 28th.
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Dear Guru/skoollooks,

I took a day out before answering as I usually do when I feel getting
ticked off.

Well, I do not find any inconsistency because both are distinct
identities from each other. PLUG used to be the mainstay when there
was nothing else. They were a law unto themselves which sort of
accentuated the sort of limbo they are in. By this I meant the
moderation on e-mails. Have been a moderator in many a groups and
while do know it can be a stressful job, PLUG effectively killed what
could have been a truly community oriented organization, more than
once.

And this is when PLUG generated most mails in October 2007 according
to plug's archive own data -

http://list.plug.org.in/pipermail/plug-mail/

I wish I had more detailed data hence have cced datameet. Maybe if
PLUG wants they could work with datameet and we could have more of a
visual dataset than currently we have.

mini-proposal - If somebody wants to do a small project, they could
try to get PLUG's mail archive data dump and do all sorts of data
visualization to show and share the frequency of e-mail archives.

My main argument is they could have done whole lot better.  Globbing
rules for mailing list have been known at least since 2008 or even
earlier

https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/bash-extended-globbing - see the date

http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/globbingref.html - According to both
google and archive.org the first instance or sharing about globbing
was in late 2002 -

https://web.archive.org/web/20021018001510/http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/globbingref.html

Just to be doubly sure I also checked spamassassin (one of the more
popular tools to check spam on email lists) and it was in debian since
its initial release 2001 and hence was in Ubuntu in 2004 if that is
what the moderator used  or could have used to moderate emails if they
wanted to.

Of course what to moderate and how to moderate is PLUG's own thing.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=120975

cofsug was founded and from what I did gather in the earlier days they
did try to have their blessing when they were doing their first event
and PLUG didn't show any interest in it.

You should have also asked this question when GNUnify is held, why
didn't PLUG talk about cofsug

http://www.gnunify.in/

http://www.gnunify.in/about

I find it doubly standard on PLUG's part as well not to talk of any
other organization and then another organization is making they want
their name should have been there.

So whatever or wherever cofsug has come up with, it is with their own
organizational skills and acumen.

FWIW, as far as the individuals are concerned, all of them do know
each other and are friends with each other but that doesn't mean they
need to have each other blessings in any way.

Disclaimer - I may be partly biased as I have had taken part in
cofsug's activities in the past.

https://foss.coep.org.in/fossmeet/

Lastly, from the speaker's lineup quite a few speakers were either
part of SICSR or have engaged in PLUG one time or the other.

Thankfully,  for being busy and not also keeping up with my health as
much,  I didn't send a proposal for fossmeet this year otherwise would
have been in conflict of interest :)

Sorry for the long-winded email, but not really :)

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Re: [PLUG] Has anybody made a stock ticker

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On 26/03/2018, Sudhanwa Jogalekar <sudhanwa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 1:48 AM, shirish शिरीष <shirisha...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Using part of my blog post for sharing both the rationale and what is
>> needed.
>>
>> For quite sometime now, I had been thinking of how to get a stock
>> ticker working in GNU/Linux. I know and knew lot of large financial
>> institutions use GNU/Linux as finances are secrets and GNU/Linux is or
>> can be great at keeping secrets. Hence I was under probably the false
>> impression, I would just need to go to github or some code-sharing
>> place and somebody would already have done something. For
>> self-security as I’m a freelancer (we don’t have pensions in our part
>> of world apart from Government and the defense services) I have
>> invested some money in equities and some in Mutual Funds. Now the
>> Bombay Stock Exchange lists both equities and mutual funds on its
>> exchange. Now tuning on TV and trying to figure out stocks and what
>> they are listing is a major time sink. I don’t need real-time quotes.
>> There are quite a few services which give near-realtime quotes but
>> even they are a bit of overkill for what I have in my mind.
>>
>> I just need a ticker which takes the BSE codes and gives near-realtime
>> quotes and displays it in the ticker. Joey Hess made one and its lying
>> orphaned in debian.
>>
>
>
> I believe you will be connected to the net all the time when using such
> tickers. Also assuming you will be using some browser for the ticker.
>
> A simple google search for "Indian stock market ticker
> {desktop/android/} gave me enough sensible results. Many of these
> tickers can be customised as per user needs.
>
> Not able to understand why the ticker has to be under FOSS. In any case,
> live data is freely available but need to pay for the same to get it in
> your required formats.
>
> Regards
> -Sudhanwa
>

Not necessary, as shared before on the thread, even EOD (End of Day)
tickers would be good enough.

Also the links I shared for the data feed, as far as I could tell, you
don't need to pay for them unless and until you want 'live' data feed.
The 15-30 minute delayed data feed is useless for any 'real trader' as
trades happen in seconds or even micro-seconds if you look into
'algorithmic trading'

https://www.livemint.com/Search/Link/Keyword/Algorithmic%20trading

As far as the question of having it under foss, it's simple, the data
is then at the user's end and as such is able to play/understand it a
little bit.

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[PLUG] Has anybody made a stock ticker

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Using part of my blog post for sharing both the rationale and what is needed.

For quite sometime now, I had been thinking of how to get a stock
ticker working in GNU/Linux. I know and knew lot of large financial
institutions use GNU/Linux as finances are secrets and GNU/Linux is or
can be great at keeping secrets. Hence I was under probably the false
impression, I would just need to go to github or some code-sharing
place and somebody would already have done something. For
self-security as I’m a freelancer (we don’t have pensions in our part
of world apart from Government and the defense services) I have
invested some money in equities and some in Mutual Funds. Now the
Bombay Stock Exchange lists both equities and mutual funds on its
exchange. Now tuning on TV and trying to figure out stocks and what
they are listing is a major time sink. I don’t need real-time quotes.
There are quite a few services which give near-realtime quotes but
even they are a bit of overkill for what I have in my mind.

I just need a ticker which takes the BSE codes and gives near-realtime
quotes and displays it in the ticker. Joey Hess made one and its lying
orphaned in debian.

That doesn’t really work for me. I did try the example as given by joeyh in

/usr/share/doc/ticker/examples$ cat sysinfo-ticker

while it works on the console on the upper part, I need it to be more
of a stand-alone ticker which scrolls at the bottom near the bottom
panel.

Brownie points if it’s able to store the output to another .json file
along with IST time-stamp. Better if it’s also able to share the
volume of trade. BSE does give all this info. for free in
near-realtime quotes as money is made by big punters who do real-time
purchase and sale within the working day itself.

Just to check out the competition, I did a search-engine fu search to
see if there is a ticker for MS-Windows and somebody already made it.

https://bse-nse-stock-ticker.apponic.com/

If this is made possible and maybe at some future date might do a
gnuplot once enough data is there.

For the data part, there are two competing services so it might be
possible to use one as primary source and the other as secondary or
fallback resource.

http://www.apidatafeed.com/product/equity

https://www.quandl.com/data/BSE-Bombay-Stock-Exchange

As shared, I did scour github.com but not sourceforge.net, mercurial
or the hundred of code-sharing sites. I did however try our different
keywords and re-arrangement of keywords in search-engines in the hopes
I get a foss BSE sticker but didn't hit anything.

I did see another one at jstock.org and
https://github.com/yccheok/jstock but github.com software doesn't give
any instructions for self-compile or/and testing. Also don't
implicitly trust random .bin files.

While I don't really care whether it's written in ruby, python,
openjdk or some other fancy computer language as Debian has most other
languages covered (only exceptions are C# and Oracle Java, won't run
them)

FWIW, I am only looking for GPL, AGPL or any of the licenses listed on
https://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/ although do prefer GPL, AGPL or
Modified BSD License as these are the most common types of licenses I
have worked it.

If any students do attempt to do it, would suggest looking at how
joeyh has done with the ticker before trying their own.

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[PLUG] WordPress.com tracking pictures and a minidebconf in Pune blog post.

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Dear all,

Sorry for taking so long but was finally finally able to post about
the re-introduction to Debian meet held in November 2017.

It is a bit longish (as per habit) but what can I say -

https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2018/02/04/wordpress-com-tracking-pictures-and-a-minidebconf-in-pune/

As always it's a mixture of things.

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[PLUG] Debian GSOC projects

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Dear all,

It is that time of the year where GSOC comes knocking. This year as we
don't have a release, Debian has decided to take part in GSOC . While
you can take the opportunity to see all the projects that Debian is
proposing at https://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2018/Projects

there is one specific project which students of cofsug could and
should pursue and that is
https://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2018/Projects#SummerOfCode2018.2FProjects.2FOpenAgricultureFoodComputer.Open_Agriculture_Food_Computer

I would urge you to see
https://www.ted.com/talks/caleb_harper_this_computer_will_grow_your_food_in_the_future
and then look at the specific project.

I know COEP has its own CNC lathe machine the last time I was in COEP
and there are quite a few students who are from farming families. The
project could prove to be a good boon for them as well as their
families as well as science and agriculture are married.

If you have any doubts or queries or want to take part in any of the
project listd on that Debian page, go to
https://lists.debian.org/debian-outreach/ and start chipping away at
the problem.

Look forward to see more people attempting for GSOC Debian from COEP.

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[PLUG] Celebrating Science Day at GMRT, Khodad

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Dear all,

This would be the fifth year we would be taking part in National
Science Day which is held every year around the country on 28th
February and 1st March in honor of Sir Chandrashekhara Venkata Raman,
notable physicist known for discovering the Raman effect which enabled
and enhanced lot of advances in lasers, optical fibers etc.

So for the past 4 years, we have been taking part at GMRT, Khodad,
part of the experience being shared at
https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2017/03/18/science-day-at-gmrt-khodad-2017/
. I am sure the COEP people would be able to recognize their peers
from the group photo taken early on.

So if you are curious about foss, open-source software and be willing
to spend some time helping out in printing or/and being on the stall
speaking with people of similar age etc.

Who we are looking for -

We are looking 2-4 volunteers who know or at the very least have
installed and are using Debian or one of the debian derivatives

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/DebianFamilyTree1210.svg

https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census

You are also more than welcome if you use and want to showcase any of
the rpm-distros as well, i.e. fedora, centos etc.

There are approximately 30-40 games (or more) within the Debian
universe any of which could be shown/shared with kids.

Like every year, we hope to showcase some of the blender animation
movies which always get some laughs from our diminutive audience as
well :)

if somebody has portable speakers, please bring them with you as
lappies don't really have the power to drive the audio to the
audience.

If you are interested in contributing by being there physically or
some other way please reply off-list so we can collaborate. Even if
you have queries/questions feel free to ask them as well.

Lastly, we are looking for two LCD's to showcase Debian and whatever
content we will be showcasing for 2 days.  Please let us know if you
are able to help us in that as well.

We also have a modest budget requirement of INR 10k/- which covers
cost of printing stickers, flyers, rent of two LCD monitors, pressing
few DVD's with plastic covers to give away and other miscellaneous
expenses.

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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meet for Jan 2018

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at bottom :-

On 08/01/2018, Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh.poyare...@gmail.com> wrote:



> We had an open discussion of sorts on this yesterday at the Kernel
> meetup.  I'm not sure yet if I'll be able to come this Saturday but if
> I do, I can definitely volunteer to talk about it.
>
> It's going to be an intensive topic though, brush up on your computer
> architecture notes from college :)
>
> Siddhesh

Saw this today -

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/spectre-and-meltdown-patches-causing-trouble-as-realistic-attacks-get-closer/

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Re: [PLUG] Meltdown, Spectre and Debian

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addition at bottom :-

On 05/01/2018, shirish शिरीष <shirisha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> While I don't want to be the paranoid one here, the situation here
> seems to demand it.
>
> 3 Days back the Register broke the story of a chip vulnerability -
>
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
>
> While it seeked to paint only Intel, it is now learnt that the issue
> is across the board, i.e. Intel, AMD, ARM all have the same
> vulnerability
>
> It defeats or compromises KASLR which itself is just 4 years old
> technology.
>
> AFAIK it would need two solutions, one is the appropriate microcode
> for your chip architecture, I know Intel and AMD have the respective
> intel-microcode and amd64-microcode
>
> % aptitude search microcode
> p   amd64-microcode
>  - Processor microcode firmware for AMD CPUs
> i   intel-microcode
>  - Processor microcode firmware for Intel CPUs
> p   microcode.ctl
>  - Intel IA32/IA64 CPU Microcode Utility (transitional
> package)
>
> % apt-cache policy intel-microcode
> intel-microcode:
>   Installed: 3.20171215.1
>   Candidate: 3.20171215.1
>   Version table:
>  *** 3.20171215.1 100
>   1 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian unstable/non-free amd64
> Packages
> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
>  3.20171117.1 900
> 900 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian buster/non-free amd64
> Packages
>
>
> According to Henrique it would take another week to have the whole
> thing on the microcode side of the things -
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=886367
>
> On top of that you would need a newer kernel which mitigates some more
> of the effects.
>
> Techcrunch did a detailed blog post on the subject alongwith some idea
> of the timeline
>
> https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/03/kernel-panic-what-are-meltdown-and-spectre-the-bugs-affecting-nearly-every-computer-and-device/
>
> The only good thing is that it doesn't increase any remote attack
> vector than before but it does mean that people should be more
> circumspect about any software they download at least till the next
> couple of weeks when kernel updates and cpu-microcodes should take
> some of the steam off.
>
> The bad news is that it will take some of the performance of the table
> but that is to be expected.
>
> An interesting side-story which has developed also talks about the
> current Intel CEO's doings
>
> https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/04/after-meltdown-and-spectre-revelation-questions-arise-about-timing-of-intel-ceos-stock-sales/
>
> Hope everybody does the right thing, get the latest microcodes and
> update your kernel as fast as you can.
>
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See also -

https://lwn.net/Articles/743246/#Comments

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[PLUG] Meltdown, Spectre and Debian

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Dear all,

While I don't want to be the paranoid one here, the situation here
seems to demand it.

3 Days back the Register broke the story of a chip vulnerability -

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/

While it seeked to paint only Intel, it is now learnt that the issue
is across the board, i.e. Intel, AMD, ARM all have the same
vulnerability

It defeats or compromises KASLR which itself is just 4 years old technology.

AFAIK it would need two solutions, one is the appropriate microcode
for your chip architecture, I know Intel and AMD have the respective
intel-microcode and amd64-microcode

% aptitude search microcode
p   amd64-microcode
 - Processor microcode firmware for AMD CPUs
i   intel-microcode
 - Processor microcode firmware for Intel CPUs
p   microcode.ctl
 - Intel IA32/IA64 CPU Microcode Utility (transitional
package)

% apt-cache policy intel-microcode
intel-microcode:
  Installed: 3.20171215.1
  Candidate: 3.20171215.1
  Version table:
 *** 3.20171215.1 100
  1 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian unstable/non-free amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 3.20171117.1 900
900 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian buster/non-free amd64 Packages


According to Henrique it would take another week to have the whole
thing on the microcode side of the things -

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=886367

On top of that you would need a newer kernel which mitigates some more
of the effects.

Techcrunch did a detailed blog post on the subject alongwith some idea
of the timeline

https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/03/kernel-panic-what-are-meltdown-and-spectre-the-bugs-affecting-nearly-every-computer-and-device/

The only good thing is that it doesn't increase any remote attack
vector than before but it does mean that people should be more
circumspect about any software they download at least till the next
couple of weeks when kernel updates and cpu-microcodes should take
some of the steam off.

The bad news is that it will take some of the performance of the table
but that is to be expected.

An interesting side-story which has developed also talks about the
current Intel CEO's doings

https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/04/after-meltdown-and-spectre-revelation-questions-arise-about-timing-of-intel-ceos-stock-sales/

Hope everybody does the right thing, get the latest microcodes and
update your kernel as fast as you can.

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Re: [PLUG] About password strength

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Just added one more, https://github.com/duffn/dumb-password-rules/issues/73

although by the same thumb rule even github.com itself is guilty of
the same conduct.

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Re: [PLUG] About password strength

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at bottom :-

On 25/11/2017, Arun Khan <knu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> XKCD PoV
> <https://xkcd.com/936/>
>
> A PoV on long phrase like password.
> <https://blog.codinghorror.com/password-rules-are-bullshit/>
>
> Password generator using Unicode inspired by above
> <https://www.sethserver.com/unicode-random-password-generator.html>
>
> -- Arun Khan




Dear Arun,



Thank you for sharing those links. I have seen these on so many Indian
sites including our own Income Tax Department ( to file ITR Returns)
that it has become a joke.

There is a term called 'Security theater'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater which is apt for this
occasion.

To top it with the new Firefox release, you cannot even use addons
like Certificate Patrol to see what kinds of TLS encryption the site
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/certificate-patrol/ . I
have seen lots of reputable sites using pretty poor ciphers for
encryption and for end-users there is no reasonable way for them to
take a call as to what's best or needs to be changed, including most
of the private and public banks.

FWIW I have written to some banks whose customer I am and had been
thinking of shifting to digitial platforms but haven't received any
sort of substantial answers from them.

What you have highlighted is that only 0.0001 percent fools like us
want security and are a bit paranoid like us. The rest just go about
their merry way.

I don't have solutions other than building awareness on the bottom of
the pyramid but that is kind of slow death. When people are ready to
give their fb usernames and passwords at the drop of the hat without
doing any social engineering than this feels like a long task



I do wish we had better ways to enhance and mass-reach on sensitive
topics like these.

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Re: [PLUG] OpenStreetMap hackathon

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On 14/11/2017, Amey Abhyankar <sco1...@gmail.com> wrote:



> I missed that 1.
> Since last 2 months I started contributing to openstreetmap & Mapillary.
> By any chance do we have recording/transcript of that workshop?
>
> As of now I am able to capture GPX traces & upload them of remote areas.
> I also managed to create some POI's but with limited skillsets.
>
> Regards,
> Amey.
>

Dear Amey,

I *think* that is good enough . Although it hasn't been shared on what
channel it was, if you have got riot.im

https://about.riot.im/

https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web

and you come to know the channel, then you could just add it and get
the transcript/ previous history of how many days you want.

Also for people who were in the packaging session yesterday undertaken
by Praveen here's another one that people could take up along with the
packages of npm

https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/4661

There is also https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/4879 if
somebody wants to hack on that.

A little later - I browsed all the usual suspects, i.e. #pluggies ,
#fsci but didn't get anywhere. I used matrix/riot. I do know that
matrix history pagination sucks among other things. Matrix is far, far
from being feature-completion . The only good thing about it is the
channel backlog but that too is iffy.

I do hope somebody shares the transcript as requested by Amey.

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Re: [PLUG] Meeting on 12th November 2017

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Good morning all,

I saw some people covering as in with pictures. I hope to blog about
the event so please share the pics. with me. I also hope that other
people also blog about the event.

A big thank you/kudos/shout out goes out to siddesh who gave the venue
and made each of us  feel welcome to his place.

For those unable to attend, I will not post much as I hope to put all
the gory details / on the blog post soonish but would point out
that we didn't have any much of the X vs Y distro discussions although
there was an attempt to share some of the heritage  or most distros.
were shared.

Praveen was much more relaxed since I met him last time, possibly
marriage worked its wonders on him, dunno. He was much more at ease
with himself and as predicted (by me) bought two huge packages, one
is/was gitlab and the other npm which is very much needed as quite a
few web extensions/ firefox alike need latest release of npm.

I had tried to build/compile few web extensions of add-ons on firefox
and they didn't build because the npm release needed was the more
recent one rather than the old one in Debian.

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Re: [PLUG] Meeting on 12th November 2017

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at bottom :-

On 11/11/2017, Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh.poyare...@gmail.com> wrote:



some more links which might help.

https://www.debian.org/intro/help
https://wiki.debian.org/how-can-i-help
https://wiki.debian.org/Ideas

I would be traveling in sometim so might be a little late. In case I'm
late Praveen or Raju could start with the links shared as well.

Another thing I'll not be bringing my lappy today. So if anybody wants
to have Debian installed please have at the very least about 10 GB
space free . Also I do hope somebody brings a debian .iso on a
pen-drive.

This is the page from where you can get the debian release you want
tom 32-bit/64-bit

https://www.debian.org/CD/

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Re: [PLUG] Meeting on 12th November 2017

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Dear all,

Apart from what raju and Praveen might bring in, ( I guess Praveen
will bring in some huge package which has lots of deps. to be packaged
to be useful)

there is a webpage maintained by a gentleman called Paul Wise/pabs
which also has loads of interesting URLS to projects.

See https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise/InterestingSoftware

We could look at some of the last 10-15 ones as it's a humongous list
which just keeps on growing. Maybe somebody might get inspired to
package some of those.

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[PLUG] Akonadi KMail Thunderbird...

[Shirish S. Bhagwat]

Long Time no Thunderbirding...

Last Friday, My KMail stopped functioning owing to some changes (which 
Maybe I did, or otherwise akonadi messed up). After searching the net 
for two days and tring out various thing I still could not get KMail to 
start.


So finally I thought it was time I switched to Thunderbird...

Whatever great piece of software you may have, if fixing problem in it 
requires you to call Rocket Scientist (Linux Expert which is not easy to 
find anytime) then probably you have messed it up somewhere while 
architecting your great piece of marvel...


Happy Linuxing to all

This is just a test mail from thunderbird configuration to check if I am 
right or right...


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Re: [PLUG] OpenWRT routers was Re: Need suggestions for ADSL wifi router

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On 10/08/2017, Arun Khan <knu...@gmail.com> wrote:


>
> I don't think any hardware vendor will flash openWRT images to their
> devices and let you test it.
> Some TP Link APs are compatible with openWRT images.  For model +
> hardware version consult openWRT web site.  Beware the images are for
> specific model and hardware version number!
>
> Having said the above, TP Link's own firmware is very functional for
> the average consumer use case scenarios.  I didn't find the necessity
> to flash openWRT even though my AP hardware was compatible.
>
>> Another query I have, are there any modem/router manufacturers who are
>> putting sim  slots in their modems/routers so I could use any
>> GSM-based SIM to use the router anywhere. I do know Airtel and other
>> specific telephone wireless broadband suppliers do that but do think
>> that the SIM slot is/would be probably tied to the specific frequency
>> the service provider has been to.
>>
>> It would be nice if there are generic SIM slots where you could just
>> pop in any GSM sim and just use it. That would make it whole lot more
>> portable and hassle-free.
>
> Take a look at MicroTik <https://mikrotik.com/products>  They have
> some router boards with SIM slots.
>

Dear Arun,

Sorry for raking a slightly oldish thread. If memory serves me right,
then TP-Link itself was selling routers with OpenWRT on them by
default just 2-3 years back. I remember as I had few discussions with
people when I was trying to buy a router for self-needs 2-3 years
back. If what you say is true, then there is actually no point in
buying TP-Link routers .

There are some FANCY Linksys routers but then one has to again (sigh!)
manually port OpenWRT on them .

https://www.linksys.com/in/p/P-WRT1900ACS/#product-features

http://www.amazon.in/Linksys-WRT1900ACS-AC1900-Dual-Band-Wireless/dp/B014MIBLSA

Do wish there were some openwrt natively embedded routers would have been cool.

I would also look at the mikrotik ones for future reference, thank you.

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[PLUG] OpenWRT routers was Re: Need suggestions for ADSL wifi router

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Warning - would be longish.

On 05/08/2017, G Karunakar <karuna...@fontserv.in> wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Aug 2017 12:54:11 +0530
> Ravikant P wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Depending upon cable type through which tata docomo is providing you
>> broadband internet connection, I suggest following options:
>>
>>1. Telephone line (RJ-11 connector)
>>Then you need ADSL modem+ WiFi + router
>>D-Link DSL 2750 is good option - Link here
>>
>>
>>
>> <http://www.amazon.in/D-Link-DSL-2750U-Wireless-ADSL2-Router/dp/B007O7J026>
>
> I am using D-Link DSL 2730U , main difference is 2750 is dual
> antenna, 2730 single one. Works good within 40-50ft radius.
> There is a wifi on/off switch which lets you switch wifi on/off as
> needed. Has 4 RJ-45 ports.  I am using wired network with PC,
> 2 laptops & TV. Wifi only on when want to use with phones.
>
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Dear Dyanraj,

Long time no see. FWIW concur with Karunakar's assessment here. I have
also used 2750U for about 3 years I *think* and do get a range of
40-50 feet as well.

Also, FWIW, I have been extremly pleased with D-Link's after support
as well. Even after the warranty period is over they do try to help
you till either the device dies or the firmware no longer works
(around 5+ years) .

On another point, for what I know there are/were only couple of
vendors who sell TP-Link whose main selling point (at least for me) is
OpenWRT but none of the vendors whom I have spoken to can either
show/demo their piece or willing to test it on their premises in case
I want to make a purchase, while D-Link vendors go out of their way to
make sure the customer is satisfied before making a purchase.

If anybody knows of a vendor who sells either TP-Link or any other
router which uses OpenWRT and does testing of the modem/router
performance, ping etc. before handing it over to customer in Pune
please let me know.

Another query I have, are there any modem/router manufacturers who are
putting sim  slots in their modems/routers so I could use any
GSM-based SIM to use the router anywhere. I do know Airtel and other
specific telephone wireless broadband suppliers do that but do think
that the SIM slot is/would be probably tied to the specific frequency
the service provider has been to.

It would be nice if there are generic SIM slots where you could just
pop in any GSM sim and just use it. That would make it whole lot more
portable and hassle-free.

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Re: [PLUG] New Indian ubuntu mirror

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On 07/07/2017, Sudhanwa Jogalekar <sudhanwa@gmail.com> wrote:
> COEP and/or IIIT in Pune could be a good choice in the near future.
> I saw an ad in the newspaper today from COEP for supply of 1000 and 300 meg
> of bandwidth for these organisations.
> God only knows why they need so much of bandwidth. Can be utilised for
> hosting mirrors for sure.
>
> -Sudhanwa
>
>

I know most of the hostels have wi-fi access so they may be
downloading stuff, also they do have a 3-d printer so files for that
would be somewhat heavy I imagine, apart from that, yes if they want
they can dedicate bandwidth for mirror hosting.

There was talk couple of years ago to have mirrors of foss distros.
and also make them available via wi-fi to people around campus as well
as radius of around 200 metres or so people could download distros,
updates etc. but the discussion went no-where.

Keeping mirror current and fixing when it goes down is dedicated work,
it's upto the COEP folks and their mgmt. if they want to take up the
challenge.

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Re: [PLUG] New Indian ubuntu mirror

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On 06/07/2017, Arun Khan <knu...@gmail.com> wrote:



>
> Rather than relying on commercial interests like Hathway and Reliance,
> the government, if they are serious about FOSS adoption, should
> empower (fund) NIC and the educational institutions to host FOSS
> repos.  To the best of my understanding, repos at the IITs exist
> because of dedicated FOSS  individuals within those orgs. and not
> because of some policy.  Take the case of NRCFOSS - way back in
> 2005-2009 time frame it was active, promoting FOSS at various regional
> colleges but now it has gone into oblivion perhaps due to lack of
> funds.  Crowd funding is an option but I'm not hopeful that it can
> generate viable funds.


I think that's expecting a bit too much from our babus. As it is it's
only 22 percent of gram panchayats who have got broadband connectivity
in what 7+ years of the project .

http://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/bharatnet-project-monitoring-no-broadband-connectivity-in-78-pct-gram-panchayats-ambitious-project-failing-deadlines/751785/

The best way if they really wanted to help would be to have a
bittorrent service with a tracker stating where they are hosting and
advertising the same to other trackers. That would be easiest and
speediest way to do it.

From whatever little experience I have had dealing with Govt. websites
even the most innocuous info. is tucked away in some god-forsaken
corner where it's hard to reach without somebody knowing the exact
URL.

The only bright light I have seen is IRCTC and recently BSNL's own
portal which I understood have been somewhat freed through numerous
RTI queries etc.

As far as IIT Mumbai mirror is concerned it was and always has been an
individual or a group effort at the most. The Debian mirror at IIT
Mumbai has usually been out of whack (8 hrs. to 3 days late) then
what's been happening on the actual network.

At the easiest, you can use net-select and see which mirrors it tells
you are more current and have the lowest latency, you would be
surprised.

To do this, we would have to have at least 3-4 free software groups
banding together, raising RTI queries and also putting on something
like change.org and make a big noise about it. Europeans for sure will
help us.

I am sure funds are there in GOI's budget, it's just getting them out
and into the right hands.

My 2 paise.

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Re: [PLUG] Debian 9 Stretch release party

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On 06/07/2017, Arun Khan <knu...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> The cake looks beautiful! (Thumbs up).
> IIRC, such events can also be posted on a Debian site.
>
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Dear Arun,

It's already part of planet.debian.org (p.d.o.)  While there is a
gallery I know of, I don't think we can put anything on the landing
page. If you saw something similar on the debian site please let me
know and I'll push it there or get it done.

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Re: [PLUG] SUSE Linux Enterprise Server and openSUSE are now available for download on Microsoft's Windows Store.

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On 06/07/2017, Amey Abhyankar <sco1...@gmail.com> wrote:



> Microsoft is sponsoring lot of open source conference lately.
> Linux Foundation is not an exception =
> https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/microsoft-joins-the-linux-foundation/

This I would say is very welcome. I do know that sometime back linux
foundation was lacking money and expertise. Even some of the upstream
lists they host were not up for a long time and they had blamed
absence of an accountant or something like that. It had even come on
lwn.net at that time.

Linux foundation serves more than the mainline kernel, they are doing
some stuff for the automotive industry which might be interesting for
those looking to work in embedded system environment.

> Regards,
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Re: [PLUG] New Indian ubuntu mirror

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On 27/06/2017, Amey Abhyankar <sco1...@gmail.com> wrote:


> BTW any1 checked download speed from Ubuntu machines hosted on AWS
> regional datacenter in India?
> And similarly from other DC's in India?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
> Amey.
>

I vaguely remember Hathway DC (at mumbai) 5+ years ago storing various
community distros. including Debian. Later they took out under some
pressure ( MS maybe, who knows)

There were high hopes from Reliance DC but they are firmly in Apple's
pockets, so don't think it will happen anytime soonish (unless the
govt. steps up its efforts to have foss in its projects and puts some
kind of notification to have availability of community distros. on
various DC's in India)

This would require some kind of serious pressure from various free
software groups spread all over India.

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Re: [PLUG] plug-mail Digest, Vol 29, Issue 10

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On 23/06/2017, G Karunakar <karuna...@fontserv.in> wrote:



>
> If you want classical old style desktop (like kde 3.x, gnome2.x) go
> for Mate desktop. LXDE/XFCE more useful if you want minimal kind
> desktop (and using on old machine).
>  Heavy & modern ones are GNOME, KDE, Cinnamon etc.
>
> Karunakar
>

+1 on Karunakar's observations. I for one root for mate but also
caution and realize it's a pretty young project with only a handful
developers and part of the project (mailing list for instance) is
closed so at times it's hard to know what's on the roadmap for the
next release. Also their release cadence is a bit weird.

Both GNOME & KDE have been there for a long time so there is lot of
maturity as well as cruft which gets accumulated over time.

The minimal desktops like LXDE are also cool if you want to have a
server with bits of GUI thrown in (not just old machines) and they
have been also there a while.

In other words, it's a case of choosing your own poison and either
contributing or regretting which poison you choose as none will ever
be perfect :)

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Re: [PLUG] Debian 9 Stretch release party

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On 03/07/2017, Gaurav Pant <gaurav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,



> __
> Missed the event,
> Can we have a review and photos of the same.
>
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My 2 bits of contribution -

https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2017/07/05/debian-9-release-party-at-co-hive/

Hopefully dhanesh will fill in whatever I missed.

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Re: [PLUG] Debian 9 Stretch release party

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Dear Dhanesh,

What we were using yesterday, the Debian live + non-free or Debian
regular installer + non-free.

See Steve Mcintyre's reply
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=866629#36 , he's the
one who is currently maintaining Debian-Live all by himself.

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Re: [PLUG] plug-mail Digest, Vol 29, Issue 9

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On 29/06/2017, Arun Khan <knu...@gmail.com> wrote:



> Download the ISO image pre built with your favorite "desktop" (aka
> Gnome, KDE, XFCE etc.)
>

Or download CD-1 which comes with LXDE for a minimalist interface. It
really depends on what you are looking for.

There is net-install option also but that is recommended for people
already aware about Debian eco-system.  Net-install lets you pick and
choose pieces/software as you want but for that either have good
bandwidth or lots patience :)

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Re: [PLUG] Debian 9 Stretch release party

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On 27/06/2017, Dhanesh B. Sabane <dhanes...@disroot.org> wrote:



> The details of the release party have been added to the wiki page. Have
> a look here:
> https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyStretch/#ReleasePartyStretch.2FIndia.2FPune.India:_Pune
>

Dear all,

Dhanesh, first of all added my 2 bits. Next somebody has added putting
apt-cacher-ng as a partial mirror. Have you discussed with co-hive
about -

a. Bandwidth demands
b. Making one system a server, putting a dedicated static IP for the
duration of the install-fest.

You might have to spend an hour or more on making the server
(preferably the day before) and also need a hand or two to test that
the server's IP resolves from inside the network and packages are
downloading.

If you do not have the resources or/and time would suggest to go the
usb key way, would be longer but simple .

Another thing, in my experience, the installfest takes about couple of
hours or more to get done.  What I would suggest is using the
in-between time to talk to people the topics shared in the release
party note. This will help us save time and energy  both. I do hope
you have downloaded and installed the tools I had shared required for
Debian QA as well.

Call me on Thursday evening and we can discuss any loose-ends.

I would suggest that you send the invitation letter which will be sent
to all attendees tomorrow evening just in case something needs to be
amended and then send it tomorrow night itself. This will give time to
attendees to do whatever is required of them and be present for the
meet-up. I know you have already done the same on meetup.com but
*think* have forgotten about telling them about bringing usb
keys/thumbdrive as well.

Looking forward to your response.

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Re: [PLUG] Debian 9 Stretch release party

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Hi all,

Two points,

a. Why hasn't Dhanesh or somebody else talked about the release party
at https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyStretch . If needed, I could do
the needful but would be better if either Dhanesh or Kshitij take the
lead on this as both of you are actually organizing this.

b. Dhanesh, were you able to get operator status on #pluggies, we need
it integrated either/and to riot/matrix as well as telegram and both
can only be done by an operator only.

Looking forward to know the status of the above.

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[PLUG] [OT] Does anybody know of a good mp4+mp3 player (mips or android based) which is available in the mkt.

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Dear all,

I'm on the lookout of a good mp4+mp3 player (which means it should
show videos if I chose to) or either just hear the songs or whatever
audio is there. With this it should be able to step up and step down
battery consumption.

I'm sure something like this should be available as I've been thinking
of something like this more than 2-3 years. If anybody knows of any
good brands and places I should look up within the city, please let me
know either through the mailing list or off-list whichever is
preferred.

Looking to know.

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Re: [PLUG] Debian 9 Stretch release party

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Dear all,

Just saw this -

https://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2017/06/msg00039.html

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Re: [PLUG] Debian 9 Stretch release party

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On 20/06/2017, shirish शिरीष <shirisha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> at bottom :-
>
> On 18/06/2017, Dhanesh B. Sabane <dhanes...@disroot.org> wrote:
>
> 
>
>>
>> Best wishes for your recovery! Would love to see you back in action soon.
>>
>> Regards,
>
> Thank you for the kind words.
>
> Btw FWIW I just read that Debian most probably would be released this
> week-end  so doing it a week after would be appropriate for any
> late-bug fixes (which do happen) to come which were not ready/pushed
> till release time.
>
> Till later.
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umm.. my info. was wrong, it got released 2 days back, apologies for
the mistake and noise.

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Re: [PLUG] Debian 9 Stretch release party

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On 18/06/2017, Dhanesh B. Sabane <dhanes...@disroot.org> wrote:



>
> Best wishes for your recovery! Would love to see you back in action soon.
>
> Regards,

Thank you for the kind words.

Btw FWIW I just read that Debian most probably would be released this
week-end  so doing it a week after would be appropriate for any
late-bug fixes (which do happen) to come which were not ready/pushed
till release time.

Till later.

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Re: [PLUG] Debian 9 Stretch release party

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at bottom :-

On 18/06/2017, Dhanesh B. Sabane <dhanes...@disroot.org> wrote:



> We missed you at the meeting. We'll keep everyone on the list in the
> loop for this. Your name came up a couple of times during the meet. All
> of us hang out on #pluggies and we'll be discussing the deciding on the
> party details there. You should join us. Infact, everyone who is
> interested should join us there.

I'm currently going through this
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. While things are somewhat better than described, I'm still putting
some distance away from extended electronic communication (i.e. IRC)
and would probably continue to do so till my doctor think it's ok
(which is 4-6 months away yet) so I will be able to only contribute
towards community engagement and bit about bug reporting and bug
triaging as stamina is still an issue.  Although would try my best to
increase/build Pune community more.

Till later.

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Re: [PLUG] Debian 9 Stretch release party

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at bottom :-

On 17/06/2017, Dhanesh B. Sabane <dhanes...@disroot.org> wrote:
> On Friday 16 June 2017 11:21 AM, Dhanesh B. Sabane wrote:
>> I'll post the plan of the party on the mailing list after we finalize it
>> and then we can decide whether this can be conducted as an activity of
>> PLUG.
>>
>
> We had a productive meeting yesterday and had a lot of help to discuss
> on the agenda for the release party. Here's the agenda we have agreed on:
>
> *Activities to be conducted*
>
> 1. Cake cutting
>
> 2. A talk on how Debian is better and why you should use it
>
> 3. A talk on getting started with contributions to Debian/Linux or FOSS
> in general
>
> 4. GNU/Linux distribution install fest
>
> *Date*
>
> 1st or 2nd July, 2017
>
> *Venue*
>
> We haven't decided this yet. We have identified two potential venues:
> SICSR and COEP.
>
> I would like to know if we can officially conduct this as an activity of
> PLUG. If yes, we can then go forward with SICSR as the first choice venue.
>
> Everyone here is welcome to join in any way possible. Also, if anyone
> has any queries or suggestions, feel free to convey it.
>
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Please keep me in loop for this. I would like to share my 2 bits of
experience with Debian.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?submitter=shirisha...@gmail.com

Look forward to having a piece of the cake :)

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Re: [PLUG] [OT] Airtel huawei router, what chip is being used ?

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Dear Amey,

Thank you for the detailed response. I haven't subscribed to the
service yet and was just testing waters.  As I *think* I had shared
before on the forum I am a BSNL broadband subscriber and they do give
dynamic public IP for the duration you connect. Except for the
download speed that Airtel 'claims' I haven't had major complaints.
Sometimes it does go down but a phone call and few hrs. later its
right. This is with 5+ service with the same provider.

As far as model no. is concerned,  the model number they gave is
Huawei B310s-927 but if they give private IP range then it's next to
useless for me not just for torrents but many other apps where I need
the IP to be accessible from outside (for work) etc. I did try to get
specs. on the specific model but my searching skills were found to be
wanting. I found various models having the same serial number but none
told/shared what chip they are using.

I am using a D-Link dual-band double antennae device for last 3 odd
years  having intel wireless and there has been no issues at all with
GNU/Linux using it in various modes/avatars.

That being said BSNL does need to improve its service and service
offerings. I have been hoping that somebody would offer FTTx servicce
(Fiber to the nearest something and then cable from there) but have
heard that apart from some pilots at Aundh and Hinjewadi there hasn't
been much success in fiber installations . Its expensive still and the
speeds and data they give is still pathetic.

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[PLUG] [OT] Airtel huawei router, what chip is being used ?

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Dear all,

I had a guy from Airtel coming for a visit to my home today. While he
showed the device, it was black in color and had huawei written on it,
I was unable to get the model no. Does anybody know what model it
could be ? More importantly does it have a broadcom chip by any
chance. I ask as broadcom continues to be a pain in the butt to
GNU/Linux users to this date.  I know some of the cheaper routers use
broadcom.

The black box stood on its legs while most D-Link devices sleep

The router had standard LAN port (guess 10 mbps) power connector
socket, another round socket with a wire protuding which I didn't
understand.

Going further, can anybody share their experience if they used/using
airtel and approximate place where they belong. If anybody lives near
Bal Gandharva or J.M. Road it would be more preferable and would be
more relevant experience.

Another thing while the speedtest showed some amazing numbers using
speedtest, I wasn't able to figure out the latency. Can anybody
comment on that ?

One more, has anybody being able to use torrents and tor effectively
with airtel. I do know that airtel does do lot of blockage and
censorship, even good sites once in a while.

I had read few years back that airtel gave private network IP instead
of public dynamic IP like  BSNL and others do, is the situation same ?

Also as the ipv4 stack is getting emptier, is airtel or any other ISP
(local) has started giving/leasing out ipv6 range of addresses to be
used by multiple devices or it's a sill no-no.

Lastly, for FWIW. I didn't have to do any special configuration for
either pinging external site or surfing the web.

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Re: [PLUG] GNUnify 2017

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Hi all,

For newbie speaker registration - would request to add github profile as well.

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Re: [PLUG] Want to contribute open source project

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On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:02 AM, saurabh kukade 
wrote:

> Hello,
> I want to contribute, to open source projects,
> if any one is working on any project, just let me know.
> I can work with c,c++,core java,python and can do scripting
> python and bash.
> Please just let me know.
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​Following two links might help you find a good project with your
comfortless:
http://www.codetriage.com/
http://whatcanidoformozilla.org/

Please remember to read the projects contributing guidelines. Also, easiest
way to start is looking at the project's current open issues and try to
work on the simplest unassigned issue. :)

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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[shirish]

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On Monday 12 October 2015 09:48 AM, Thin Rhino wrote:




I have never understood the noise around Linux & Linux! I visited
their websites and the only thing,
different is screenshots with Indian Languages. Everything else, is just
the same that comes with Ubuntu or Fedora.
Same old open office, same old GNome / KDE.

As I see this, take source code from the web compile it, re-brand it and
gloat about it is made in/for India etc.

I would rather have you good people spend time & effort in distributing
Ubuntu or Fedora or any other OS to
people and teach people to write good code using these tools. Who cares,
what OS you are using?


Dear Thin Rhino,

Please don't use euphemisms . If you want to say something about 
somebody put it straight.


I do not agree with you however. Whole lot of people including my own 
self care about which OS we use. If it was going to be just Ubuntu and 
Fedora we might as well as use MS-Windows, as you yourself said who 
cares which OS you are using.


Some established distributions which bought whole lot of things :-

a. Debian - If Debian is/was not there, then Ubuntu wouldn't have been 
there in the first place. There is still whole lot of heavy lifting that 
Debian does that Ubuntu profits from. If Debian would not be there then 
you would have not have Ubuntu in the first place and would have quite a 
bit poorer experience if Debian would cease to exist.


b. Linux Mint - The Mint Installer and quite a few packages that Mint 
bought made it much easier for newbies. It was also a fork.


c. Gentoo, Arch, BSD's all have contributed something or the other.

As you have posted about the Indian contributions or lack of, even if 
just themeing is the improvement, even if agree on that, as far as it 
brings in people who are able to work and use GNU/Linux (no matter what 
parent distribution is underneath ) that's a win-win for both the 
distribution which did that and people who are able to gain or do 
something with it.


Principally, I would not go with Ubuntu simply because of the 
GPL+contrib . It is not a good license and is being used by 
Canonical/Mark in poisoning the waters. I could never understand why 
GPL2 or GPLv3 wasn't good enough for them and they had to bring in 
GPLv2+contrib or GPLv3+contrib and variants.



You want to stop Facebook Zero and all that? Get people to access the
internet and show them the power of
free and open source, not by distributing some customised copy of Linux.
But by showing how, the free and
open web and free and open tools, can help them live a better life.


we are doing that as part of outreach either in individual capacity or 
as part of hamara.



In 2015, writing / rewriting / re branding an OS is biggest waste of time,
effort, talent and money.


Not necessarily. If the idea of GNU/Linux were to some sort of oligopoly 
(where only the chosen few could take part) then GNU/Linux would simply 
fall apart.


The reason it has thrived is because people have their own itch to 
scratch whether it is just making themes or whatever else, it has 
improved and added to GNU/Linux overall.



You want to spread FOSS, build something like this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4hVG2Br1W1LKCmw8nSm9WnQ/introducing-the-bbc-micro-bit
and educate people how programming using open source tools can be fun.


While I laud that effort, do you mean to say there is nothing that needs 
to be done on the software front ?


I could at least state a dozen things we need to improve on existing 
tools and toolkits as well as documentation, UI etc.


There is lots and lots of things that need improvement.

Another thing to point, the RPI has limited freedom, the Beaglebone 
Black and few others has much more in terms of freedom.


It would be interesting as and when they come with updated specs as 
right now RPi is king of hill as far as pricing and features are concerned.



Lastly, on the topic of missing e-mails I saw that gmail does miss out 
mails of plug (searched in PLUG, Inbox and Spam) some e-mails are not 
there, whereas if you use a mail client then everything is in order.




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Re: [PLUG] Guessing you are seeing the plug-mail thread which is there.

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On Monday 12 October 2015 08:03 PM, Vikas Tara wrote:

On 12/10/15 15:33, shirish wrote:

Dear Vikas,

A somewhat interesting thread on the PLUG mailing list.


I am on that list - you mean the washout thread?


yup, the same :)

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Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

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On Saturday 10 October 2015 09:37 PM, G Karunakar wrote:




Well I don't agree that it is a gap.. just that FOSS have become
big and broad to grasp in one hand. So in the FOSS ocean we are all
on different islands/boats.. occasionally (or usually) hopping around.


This was something that was being shared between Manjusha and me. What 
I/We meant was that even today whether you look at 40 years old people 
or early 20's youth they still do not know that something like FOSS exists.


I have also been under the impression as most of us are that people know 
about FOSS generally but the truth is, it's only when you work in 
companies which use FOSS then you come to know about it.


And for the 40 year olds, most of them have a stable job/life so they 
are not much enthusiastic to learn these 'new-fangled' ideas as I have 
been told/shared by people over time and in different workshops.



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[PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[shirish]

Hi all,

The meeting/meet-up was canceled as unseasonal rains made it hard for 
people to reach the venue. Only I, Raju, Manjusha, Karunakar and Akshat 
were present and we discussed about the immense knowledge gap about FOSS 
in India among other things.


Hopefully we would be share about Hamara next month or something (i.e. 
if the rain gods don't disrupt our schedule) . Can't say anything bad 
about rains as Pune and Maharashtra as a whole is reeling under a water 
crisis so any and all rains are welcome even if the costs are events 
such as these, water being a necessity for one and all.


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Re: [PLUG] [confirmation] monthly plug meeting on 10th Oct., 2015 at SICSR @ 4pm

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On Thursday 08 October 2015 10:53 PM, Manjusha Joshi wrote:

  PLUG meeting for Month of October , 2015  will be held on   10th Oct.,
Saturday at 4pm in SICSR.


Location: SICSR, Atur Centre, Model Colony, Pune
Room No 704   (Room may change but floor will be same), 7th floor

Time: 4:00 pm


Topic :  Demo of Android   apps developed  and used for rural education.

Discussion on CMDA expo.

We can share problems and experience about open source Technology.

All are welcome to attend the meeting.
There is no fee to attend the meeting.

See you there.



Dear Pluggies,

There was some talk at hamara-us...@lists.hamaralinux.org that we should 
talk about the Hamara project at tomorrow's monthly meeting and see if 
there are ways in which we can collaborate, in light of the upcoming 
CDMA expo as well.


We would like sometime to present about hamara project. The Hamara 
project would be represented by me, Shirish Agarwal as well as Raju DV 
and we would together like to share some of the different components and 
ideas that make up the project and look to the PLUG community to make 
some of the ideas and dreams come true.


Look forward to have a frank, fruitful discussion about the project, its 
goals and how the community sees and perceives it.


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Re: [PLUG] Victory for OPEN Source in INDIA ?

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at bottom :-

On 9/20/15, Milind Oka <oak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do not think its a big issue. They have clearly mentioned that it
> GNU/LINUX, free and open source.
> So they will definite provide source code. Nothing to worry about that.

Milind,

I do hope you are not making a joke. For a distribution which has been
doing releases since 2007 doesn't have a public repo it is definitely
something to worry about.

How as I user I am to presume or assume that there aren't any
back-doors. The whole idea of providing sources is that you are able
to compile the binaries if you are uneasy about something or want to
compile it in a different way, with different compiler flags, add some
security patches or anything else than the distro. has done.

Not having sources is akin to running any Operating System, it is the
same as running MS-Windows or OS X (used in Macs).

Most GNU/Linux distributions have their git repos. open, so why not BOSS/C-DAC ?

https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/ - Debian's public repo.

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Re: [PLUG] tor browser

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On 08/13/2015 01:35 PM, jalinder jag wrote:

No technology is 100% full proof and shouldn't  be made. Evil people are
out there... I am a security consultant and use tor on regular basis some
black market and underground forums  works only on Tor..

Jalinder..


Hi all,

As per my base, naive understanding (and I did read a whitepaper or two 
on tor) the concept is simple, you basically share your IP with a relay 
from whereon, your connection is encrypted till it hands over to another 
relay and finally to the server which you want to access.


The server thinks that you are based in an another place than you. So 
for the 300+ websites that the govt. has banned for porn and then 
adjusted to saying 'porn-like and porn and other things' you can visit 
them.


There are and will be vulnerabilities in all software and a bit more 
with Firefox because it has lot of legacy code. The Mozilla people 
doesn't have enough coders who have enough history with the software, so 
they probably add to the code more than they cut/delete. This is 
probably the same in free and commercial software.


So vulnerabilities are and always be there, it's a fact of life, so get 
used to it.


As far as jaldir's statement is concerned, I don't think it's just evil 
men who use TOR, it is used by people who value privacy. Now if it 
happens that criminals are using TOR then you cannot blame the system.


You and I know that criminals are and have used banks to white-wash and 
launder their money and do all sorts of things. It is happening even 
now, now do we blame the banking industry, same goes for the cargo 
shipping industry.


As always, don't shoot the messenger :)

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[PLUG] [X-POST] [COMMERCIAL] Internship at Hamaralinux.org

[shirish]

Hi there,
Want to find out how a GNU/Linux distribution actually happens,
what all goes into making a distribution and be paid to do it ?

Have you ever worked on some open-source project, only to realize that
the potential is huge and dunno how to relate it to others ?

Have you ever been called crazy because what you know of life is that it's
an abstraction of the TUI/CLI and that's the only way life is worth 
living .


If any or all of the above rings true, drop us a mail. We are looking
for individuals :-

   a. Who eat,drink, sleep and shit Open-Source
   b. Who have a thousand and one ideas about what is wrong in today's
  computing and have made some efforts to change them.
   c. Who have at least have some idea of what a VCS (Version Control 
System) is, and at the very least has made an account on one of such 
public hosting sites and has contributed some time and effort to one or 
more public

projects.  If it's a patch or a pull request it is preferable.

  Duration :- The position is of 6 months .

  Place :- This could be a mix of on-site and remote internship. The
  company is based in Gurgaon. The intern would have to manage travel
  to-and-fro from Delhi to wherever they live.

  Allowance :-  Rupees ten thousand per month.

  Look forward to hearing from you on care...@hamaralinux.org

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Re: [PLUG] Please Sign The Petition

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 ( BTRFS, sort of when it's ready) and the
BSD Jails (we do have partial working implementations but no clear
answer yet.) apart from that haven't heard anything interesting in
years. I would welcome if you were able to share more on their behalf.

As far as the part of do we know or force full disclosure of
internals of the medicine we take, I think you have hit the nail
right on the head. India is one of those paradoxical, hypocritical
nations where it does not ask for full disclosure or have as much
disclosure as possible in the public domain. There are fights both to
have these disclosures happenings as well as disclosures of patient
trials before a drug/treatment etc. should be approved for general
production of that medicine/treatment. In fact we wouldn't have the
fight for generics that we fight with US and Europe if some of our
people didn't have access to this information. If more people are
aware, we wouldn't go back but go forward as knowledge brings light
not darkness.

All the others that have been pointed out are the same things. If we
had the knowledge of how an LED TV is made, we could tinker and make
it better. Forget LED TV, even if we had the knowledge of making an
LED bulb, the price difference between an Incandescent and LED bulbs,
or solar panels all of them will reduce drastically. If we have to
become a leader for the world and not a follower, we need not only to
know but to master these technologies as well.

The reason we aren't at forefront of aircraft production is at the
time of country's infancy, it was thought that aircrafts are only for
the rich which is true even today. I dunno why we feel we shouldn't
have this understanding. Modern Aeroplanes like the Airbus A380 are
made from composite materials. If we know/knew what these composite
materials are/were we could have better materials to work, which would
revolutionize industries such as clothes to space travel and
everything in-between.

I don't think striving to be self-sufficient is wrong in any sense. If
people believed the same then they wouldn't have responded so
favorably with the 'Make in India' concept .  We are on old and yet
young country and have both the fire and curiosity to know how the
wold ticks/runs.

 So no, I am not signing the petition. Linux, simply, is not the right
 tool for the job, and it is buggy. I choose to spend my time being
 more productive, and Apple and BSD satisfies that need. Crying about
 Microsoft being evil and proprietary when I use several other
 proprietary forms in my daily life is being hypocrite. And I hope
 Indian Government focuses on the right tools for the job, and if
 Microsoft provides them, so be it. (BTW, your petition provides no
 shred of evidence for Microsoft's corruption, apart from the licensing
 fees, which can hardly be called corruption. Your argument about this
 amount could be used for public good doesn't hold ground, since most
 softwrae systems for public good are actually deployed on Windows -
 moving them to Linux would require order of magnitude investment.)

That is of course, your choice.

There are plenty of examples of MS corruption if you care to look.

The simplest one would be :-

How it is that non-MS lappies have the same price or at times even
more than the one which has MS, the specs and everything the same.

I can cite many more but will digress as don't want it to be abou
tMS-bashing as well.

 -Amarendra

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Re: [PLUG] OpenOffice Vs. LibreOffice

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Hi all,
This also seems to be giving some idea of the feature-set of
Libreoffice but this is more vis-a-vis Office 2013

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office
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Re: [PLUG] OpenOffice Vs. LibreOffice

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at bottom :-

On 3/15/15, ॥ ॐ.का र.हस्य.ॐ॥ guru.is.on...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have to take this call.

 Whether to install Apache Openoffice or Reinstall LibreOffice
 as LibreOffice installed by DefaultOS has failed.

 Anybody willing to share highlights of differences as where and
 which one handles things better, that could be a real illumination
 for people willing to learn not-for-(self)profit.

 Freedom of Speech was never promised as Freedom of Secured
 Speech, but that does not mean we necessarily need GNU-PG
 for it.
 --
 Does the word OpenPrivacy ring some bell?  That still remains an
 Open Secret.

Hi all,
Please take a look at
http://searchenterprisedesktop.techtarget.com/feature/Why-to-try-LibreOffice-vs-OpenOffice-free-office-suites

There seem to be some good points in there.
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Re: [PLUG] MiniDebConf in Amritapuri, Kerala

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 to worry about entry fees.

What would be a good thing is if the college donates part of the
proceeds to some projects, for e.g. getting diaspora in debian or the
gooseberry project. There are many more but you get the point.

https://cloud.blender.org/gooseberry/



 It'd be really helpful if we could find more volunteers for the event. If
 you're interested, please add your name in the Wiki-page for the event [1]


 Thanking You,

 [1] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/MiniDebConf2014/Kollam

 Warm Regards.
 R.Harish Navnit
 The Enigma http://harishnavnit.wordpress.com

Looking forward to other people's responses.
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Re: [PLUG] [MES-FSUG] [X-post] Fwd: Debian Project News - July 8th, 2013

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at bottom :-

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Praveen A prav...@gmail.com wrote:
 Congratuations Nitesh on your first package in debian! Happy to see a new
 contributor from India! He is an engineering student from Bangalore. Hope
 this inspires more of his friends to start contributing! Thanks also to your
 mentoring efforts to bring in new contributors. If any of you or your
 friends are interested to learn packaging, you can reply here or contact me
 directly.

Congratulations as well. Just saw which package Nitesh had uploaded
and if I've to guess it, it has to do with diaspora (with boutil
sponsoring it and it having ruby in its name.)

http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/ruby-rainbow/news/20130702T120006Z.html
http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs/main/r/ruby-rainbow/unstable_changelog
http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/ruby-rainbow.html

So congratulations once again.
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[PLUG] can anybody get a cabinet which can be shown in shramik mahila this saturday ?

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Hi all,
Can anybody get a cabinet/cpu so that the innards can be shown in
shramik mahila office this coming saturday ?  It doesn't matter
whether it's a 286,386, 486 or a pentium, what is needed to show is
the mobo (motherboard), CPU, RAM, HDD and the PCI slots (maybe an
ethernet card or a sound card something like that). Please lemme know
if somebody is interested.
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[PLUG] Need an LCD Monitor for 2 days for science day 2013 at Narayangaon, Pune

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Hi all,
As people might know tomorrow and the day after, India celebrates the
National Science Day after the discovery of Raman effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Science_Day

On the occasion of Science Day, a bunch of FOSS enthusiasts are
gathering tomorrow and the day after at Narayangaon (G.M.R.T.) and
having the stall under the banner 'FOSS community' -

http://www.fosscommunity.in/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMRT
http://gmrt.ncra.tifr.res.in/~sciday/sciday/scienceday.htm

The expected audience is school and college-going students. We want to
showcase both debian as well as the raspberry pi. We are in midst of
organizing one LCD Monitor which would go with one of the raspberry
pi's which we have. We need help in having another LCD Monitor and a
system which has Debian GNU/Linux on it.

It would be needed for 2 days i.e. tomorrow and the day after till
1800 hrs. that evening .

If anybody can help in any way it would be most fruitful.

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Re: [PLUG] [CoFSUG] Need an LCD Monitor for 2 days for science day 2013 at Narayangaon, Pune

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additional at bottom :-

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:24 PM, shirish शिरीष shirisha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,
 As people might know tomorrow and the day after, India celebrates the
 National Science Day after the discovery of Raman effect.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Science_Day

 On the occasion of Science Day, a bunch of FOSS enthusiasts are
 gathering tomorrow and the day after at Narayangaon (G.M.R.T.) and
 having the stall under the banner 'FOSS community' -

 http://www.fosscommunity.in/
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMRT
 http://gmrt.ncra.tifr.res.in/~sciday/sciday/scienceday.htm

 The expected audience is school and college-going students. We want to
 showcase both debian as well as the raspberry pi. We are in midst of
 organizing one LCD Monitor which would go with one of the raspberry
 pi's which we have. We need help in having another LCD Monitor and a
 system which has Debian GNU/Linux on it.

 It would be needed for 2 days i.e. tomorrow and the day after till
 1800 hrs. that evening .

 If anybody can help in any way it would be most fruitful.

 Looking forward to help and any query if people have.

http://www.fosscommunity.in/wiki/Science_Day_2013_at_GMRT
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Re: [PLUG] Fwd: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta3 release

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at bottom :-

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Arun Khan knu...@gmail.com wrote:
 [2] What is the procedure for filing bug reports?   To date we have
 followed the guidelines listed here
 http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting If we don't get any
 acknowledgement then how should it be interpreted?

Dear Arun,
Are you sure that the bug was filed according to this procedure
outlined below :-

$ reportbug
Please enter the name of the package in which you have found a
problem, or type 'other' to report a more general
problem.
 gdm3
*** Welcome to reportbug.  Use ? for help at prompts. ***
Note: bug reports are publicly archived (including the email address
of the submitter).
Detected character set: UTF-8
Please change your locale if this is incorrect.

Using 'shirish shirish@' as your from address.
Getting status for gdm3...
Verifying package integrity...
Will send report to Debian (per lsb_release).
Maintainer for gdm3 is 'Debian GNOME Maintainers
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org'.
Looking up dependencies of gdm3...
Getting changed configuration files...
*** WARNING: The following configuration files have been modified:
/etc/gdm3/daemon.conf Send modified
configuration files [Y|n|d|?]? Y
*** The following debconf settings were detected:
* shared/default-x-display-manager: gdm3
  gdm3/daemon_name: /usr/sbin/gdm3
Include these settings in your report [Y|n|q|?]? Y

Briefly describe the problem (max. 100 characters allowed). This will
be the bug email subject, so keep the summary
as concise as possible, for example: fails to send email or does
not start with -q option specified (enter
Ctrl+c to exit reportbug without reporting a bug).
 gdm3 installation fails.
How would you rate the severity of this problem or report?

1 criticalmakes unrelated software on the system (or the whole
system) break, or causes serious data loss,
  or introduces a security hole on systems where you
install the package.
2 grave   makes the package in question unusable by most or
all users, or causes data loss, or introduces a
  security hole allowing access to the accounts of
users who use the package.
3 serious is a severe violation of Debian policy (that is, the
problem is a violation of a 'must' or
  'required' directive); may or may not affect the
usability of the package. Note that non-severe
  policy violations may be 'normal,' 'minor,' or
'wishlist' bugs. (Package maintainers may also
  designate other bugs as 'serious' and thus
release-critical; however, end users should not do
  so.). For the canonical list of issues worthing a
serious severity you can refer to this webpage:
  http://release.debian.org/wheezy/rc_policy.txt .
4 important   a bug which has a major effect on the usability of a
package, without rendering it completely
  unusable to everyone.
5 does-not-build  a bug that stops the package from being built from
source. (This is a 'virtual severity'.)
6 normal  a bug that does not undermine the usability of the
whole package; for example, a problem with a
  particular option or menu item.
7 minor   things like spelling mistakes and other minor
cosmetic errors that do not affect the core
  functionality of the package.
8 wishlistsuggestions and requests for new features.

Please select a severity level: [normal]
Do any of the following apply to this report?

1 d-i   This bug is relevant to the development of debian-installer.
2 ipv6  This bug affects support for Internet Protocol version 6.
3 l10n  This bug reports a localization/internationalization issue.
4 lfs   This bug affects support for large files (over 2 gigabytes).
5 patch You are including a patch to fix this problem.
6 upstream  This bug applies to the upstream part of the package.
7 none

Please select tags: (one at a time) [none]
Spawning leafpad...



Subject: gdm3 installation fails.
Package: gdm3
Version: 3.4.1-4
Severity: normal

Dear Maintainer,
Installation fails and give reason.


-- System Information:
Debian Release: wheezy/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (500, 'testing'), (500, 'stable'), (10, 'unstable'), (1,
'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_IN, LC_CTYPE=en_IN (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

Versions of packages gdm3 depends on:
ii  accountsservice 0.6.21-6
ii  adduser 3.113+nmu3
ii  dconf-gsettings-backend 0.12.1-2
ii  dconf-tools 0.12.1-2
ii  debconf [debconf-2.0]   1.5.46
ii  dpkg1.16.9
ii  e17 [x-window-manager]  0.16.999.70492-2
ii  gir1.2-freedesktop  1.32.1-1
ii  gir1.2-glib

[PLUG] [Event] Debian utsav round two

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Hi all,
 COEP presents Debian Utsav Round two

Venue : COEP FOSS Lab, 2nd Floor ENTC Section
Dates  : 31st March 2012 and 1st April 2012
Timings  :  from 10:00 onwards.

Schedule :-

Day 1 31st March 2012  :-

Why contribute to Free software/commons Discussion shirish,
Praveen,AbdulKarim and Muneeb panelists. Timings : 10:00 - 11:00 IST

Break 11:00 - 11:15 am IST

Newbies session Pt. 1 - Prasann, Prashant 11:15 - 12:15 IST

Lunch break 1 hour 12:15 - 13:15 IST

Newbies session Pt. 2 Prasann, Prashant 13:15 - 14:15 IST

Break 14:15 - 14:30

Learning build from source Prashant Prasann 14:30 - 15:30 IST

Break 15:30 - 15:45

Why contribute to Debian Shirish, Praveen and AbdulKarim 15:45 - 16:45 IST

Day 1 is over

Day 2 1st April 2012  :-

Packaging PT 1  10:00 IST - 11:00 IST

Break 11:00 - 11:15 IST

Packaging PT 2 11:15 - 12:30 IST

Lunch break 12:30 - 13:30 IST

'Start maintaining a package' - 13:30 - 17:30


Software requirements for day 1 :-

apt, apt-get, build-essential in your debian-based/derivative distribution.

Software requirements for day 2 :-

dhmake,devscripts,lintian,debhelper, dpkg-dev, pbuilder, sbuild should suffice.

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[PLUG] Censorship, Piracy and Public Domain

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hi all,
Just something we need to be aware of and take action on in whatever
limited means we can :-

http://wp.me/pfuZu-wo
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Re: [PLUG] usbdrive Bootable

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On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:56 PM, vivek kumar vivek.2k...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear All


 how to usbdrive bootale in linux not a live usbdrive bootable. I want to
 full linux install throw usbdrive any tool avable in linux so i create.


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Assuming you want to install Linux on/from USB drive, I would suggest you to
try UNetbootin - http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/

Using this tool, you can burn Ubuntu (basically, any Linux image (ISO)) to
USB drive, so that you can boot from USB and use it.

Pardon me if I got you wrong, but seriously, your question/problem was very
hard to read. :(

With regards,
Shirish Padalkar
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[PLUG] Quick and dirty Gnunify Day 2

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Hi all,
 This is the second day's stuff at GNUnify. http://wp.me/pfuZu-mJ

Its slightly more exhaustive than the previous one so please sit aside
some time while going through it.
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Re: [PLUG] Minutes of the PLUG meet and a query

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In-line :-

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 20:07, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
 2011/1/10 shirish शिरीष shirisha...@gmail.com

  Now I don't know anything about C and being a slightly paranoid kind
  of guy wanted to ask you guys to take a look to see if there are any
  inadverant goof-ups or anything before I take the plunge of applying
  the patch.

 Just saw v2 of the patch
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=607242#122

  Looking forward for guidance.


 A cursory look shows that it is a simple patch and doesn't look nefarious.

Rahul,
   Thank you for the guidance.
Took the new kernel, patched it up , the mouse is behaving good.
Would take some time to know whether everything is ok or not I guess.

 Rahul

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[PLUG] Minutes of the PLUG meet and a query

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Hi all,
   Yesterday night blogged about the PLUG meet
http://wp.me/pfuZu-kV which includes the planning about gnunify.in
which is cool. Comments, suggestions and criticisms are all invited :)

The second part of the mail is a query.

Disclaimer first :-  I'm not a programmer hence would like better
minds who can read C code to take a look.

 I have a mouse which is crappy (or not) and for which I had filed a bug
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=607242

A gentleman, Mr. Jim Hill pursued the bug and posted a patch for the
same which he seems to also have put up upstream.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=607242#107

He has asked me to try a new kernel and patch it with the above patch.

While I'm quite sure that Mr. Jim Hill has the noblest of intentions
otherwise he wouldn't have put the code in public domain on a bug.

Now I don't know anything about C and being a slightly paranoid kind
of guy wanted to ask you guys to take a look to see if there are any
inadverant goof-ups or anything before I take the plunge of applying
the patch.

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