Re: [PLUG] Would stopping support for XP backfire on Microsoft?
Hi On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Arun Khan wrote: On the FOSS side of the coin -- RHEL4/CentOS4 (picked as an example) has been EoL and it's last incarnate most likely will not have drivers for the new servers in the market today. Not quite. Red Hat supports RHEL 4 still via the extended lifecycle till 28 February 2015. Refer to https://access.redhat.com/site/support/policy/updates/errata/. Also Red Hat frequently does backport drivers for hardware for an extended period of time but I do agree that MS has provided more than enough support for XP and it is high time people move on to something more recent Rahul ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Would stopping support for XP backfire on Microsoft?
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:13:42PM +0530, aag wrote: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9244751/As_Unix_fades_away_from_data_centers_it_s_unclear_what_s_next I liked the comments at the end of the article at the above link. Very interesting :) You mean the one that says there isn't a huge difference between RedHat and Unix? Mayuresh. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Would stopping support for XP backfire on Microsoft?
Is this a point, CIOs would be made to think about adopting FOSS systems in place of Windows - both in the server and desktop space? Something relevant for this thread http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Goodbye-Win-XP---Hello-Linux-79602.html Mayuresh ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Would stopping support for XP backfire on Microsoft?
Something relevant for this thread http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Goodbye-Win-XP---Hello-Linux-79602.html Gartner predicts end of Unix. The obvious replacements to HP-UX, Solaris, AIX and other Unix variants today are Linux, Windows and mainframe operating systems. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9244751/As_Unix_fades_away_from_data_centers_it_s_unclear_what_s_next Wonder why the replacement won't be predominantly Linux. Also, a few years back people were predicting mainframes to be a technology in transition. On the contrary, they survived and thrived and today some (like above) predict them to be target platforms for their successors like HPUX, AIX , Solaris. Microsoft dubs XP as This venerable platform, built last century... Whether last century is the right description or not is up to one's perspective. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9244757/Microsoft_bets_on_Windows_XP_disaster ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Would stopping support for XP backfire on Microsoft?
On 13 December 2013 07:27, Mayuresh mayur...@acm.org wrote: Gartner predicts end of Unix. The obvious replacements to HP-UX, Solaris, AIX and other Unix variants today are Linux, Windows and mainframe operating systems. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9244751/As_Unix_fades_away_from_data_centers_it_s_unclear_what_s_next I liked the comments at the end of the article at the above link. Very interesting :) -a ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Would stopping support for XP backfire on Microsoft?
One may suspect, Microsoft itself is throwing XP vulnerabilities in the open to intimidate users into buying its newer versions. As a business they don't need to use any tactics. They have declared end-of-sale/end-of-support quite some time ago, with enough time for people to move to later versions of Windows. I am not a Windows user, though general perception is XP was one of the better versions of Windows so far. Threatening people like this is unlikely to do any good to their image as a vendor. As a business - they have done nothing wrong. (The context being purely end-of-sale/support for XP) They didn't pull the plug overnight - They gave plenty of time for people to switch. Is this a point, CIOs would be made to think about adopting FOSS systems in place of Windows - both in the server and desktop space? I don't think so. (For 3rd time) MS gave enough time for people to switch. Big companies - will switch to Windows 7/8 for Desktop/laptop Small(ish) companies will ALSO move to Windows 7/8 for Desktop/laptop - if the cost is concern, there is always pirated versions (at least in India/China ...) From my personal experience : My Wife's office moved to Windows 8 around an year ago. None of them are technical people but all of them require computer to Work. It is a CS firm with around 20-30 users. Initially people didn't like the interface (People always hate change) but once the non-metro style interface was made the default - it is just like XP interface - sure there are a few changes here and there, but nothing fundamentally different. - people were OK using it. To my surprise - my wife preferred Windows 8 machine @ office compared to XP on her (old) laptop @ home :) She says Windows 8 is faster (I can't be sure whether Windows 8 is actually faster, or just feels that way) On Server side - businesses have moved to Linux long time ago - except may be MS Exchange - which is a killer app in enterprise space. -Mandar ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Would stopping support for XP backfire on Microsoft?
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 09:03:10AM +0530, Mandar Vaze / ? ??? wrote: As a business they don't need to use any tactics. Eh? Every business needs to use tactics. It is not by definition a bad word. They have declared end-of-sale/end-of-support quite some time ago, with enough time for people to move to later versions of Windows. Yes, they have. 3 links in my first post mean they are finally required to run a campaign as people are not relenting - inertia, cost, preference whatever may be the reason. The campaign is not because they care for your business loss if you are on XP. The campaign obviously is to increase the sales of newer versions. Mayuresh ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Would stopping support for XP backfire on Microsoft?
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Mayuresh mayur...@acm.org wrote: The campaign is not because they care for your business loss if you are on XP. The campaign obviously is to increase the sales of newer versions. Products go through EoL. IMO, there is nothing wrong in asking users to use a newer version of their OS, especially for the new hardware in the market. Old PC? people can continue to use XP, it is their choice. Besides, people have a choice to switch to a FOSS desktop (like city of Munich). On the FOSS side of the coin -- RHEL4/CentOS4 (picked as an example) has been EoL and it's last incarnate most likely will not have drivers for the new servers in the market today. Most current Linux distros require more RAM than RH9 (EoL long back) and the user desktop experience with 512MB RAM may be unacceptable to most. Like XP, these users can stick with RH9 or another distro from the same era. -- Arun Khan Sent from my non-iphone/non-android device ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Would stopping support for XP backfire on Microsoft?
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 06:02:24PM +0530, Arun Khan wrote: On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Mayuresh mayur...@acm.org wrote: The campaign is not because they care for your business loss if you are on XP. The campaign obviously is to increase the sales of newer versions. Products go through EoL. IMO, there is nothing wrong in asking users to use a newer version of their OS, especially for the new hardware in This is a combined reply to this and the previous poster. No post on the thread said there is anything wrong. Mayuresh. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Would stopping support for XP backfire on Microsoft?
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Mayuresh mayur...@acm.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 06:02:24PM +0530, Arun Khan wrote: On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Mayuresh mayur...@acm.org wrote: The campaign is not because they care for your business loss if you are on XP. The campaign obviously is to increase the sales of newer versions. Products go through EoL. IMO, there is nothing wrong in asking users to use a newer version of their OS, especially for the new hardware in This is a combined reply to this and the previous poster. No post on the thread said there is anything wrong. In that case I guess the OP was a NOOP? Perhaps it should have been tagged OT. -- Arun Khan ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Would stopping support for XP backfire on Microsoft?
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 07:44:25PM +0530, Arun Khan wrote: In that case I guess the OP was a NOOP? Perhaps it should have been tagged OT. If the OP claimed, what MS is doing is wrong then this becomes a non OT, is it? This is definitely not an OT, as it talks about opportunity for FOSS, if you cared to read the first post. Mayuresh. ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
[PLUG] Would stopping support for XP backfire on Microsoft?
Since Microsoft announced stopping of support for XP, there are reports floating around about vulnerabilities, financial losses they can cause and why one should switch from XP etc. The company is leaving no stone unturned in its quest to get users off Windows XP and hopefully onto its newer operating systems http://www.cio.in/topstory/microsoft-resorts-to-twitter-to-warn-users-off-xp The fiscal impact of this could be as much as a loss of business opportunity worth Rs 1,100 crore in a day..companies are prone to spend three times more if they do not put a planned migration strategy in place http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/software-services/End-of-Windows-XP-34K-bank-branches-to-be-hit/articleshow/25650026.cms Attackers are exploiting a new and unpatched vulnerability in Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 that allows them to execute code with higher privileges than they have access to. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9244428/Attackers_exploit_unpatched_flaw_to_hit_Windows_XP_Server_2003 One may suspect, Microsoft itself is throwing XP vulnerabilities in the open to intimidate users into buying its newer versions. I am not a Windows user, though general perception is XP was one of the better versions of Windows so far. Threatening people like this is unlikely to do any good to their image as a vendor. Is this a point, CIOs would be made to think about adopting FOSS systems in place of Windows - both in the server and desktop space? Mayuresh ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
Re: [PLUG] Would stopping support for XP backfire on Microsoft?
On Friday, November 29, 2013 07:35:55 AM Mayuresh wrote: One may suspect, Microsoft itself is throwing XP vulnerabilities in the open to intimidate users into buying its newer versions. yes because microsoft has financial incentive to sell the new versions and their biggest problem is not FOSS or OS X but the older versions of windows, which people cling on to. I am not a Windows user, though general perception is XP was one of the better versions of Windows so far. Threatening people like this is unlikely to do any good to their image as a vendor. Don't attribute anything to smartness that can be explained by fear of change. Microsoft can make this veiled threat because they can get away from making it. Is this a point, CIOs would be made to think about adopting FOSS systems in place of Windows - both in the server and desktop space? In some cases yes, most cases its just lets-stick-around-what-we-know even when its just a perception. There are so many things wrong with the-windows-way and people know it. But it still does not change perception that we-are-familiar-with-it and alternatives are still way too costly to switch. -- Regards Shridhar ___ Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List
