Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
Thanks. My system is two Duets and one Squeezelite (Raspberry Pi with piCorePlayer). Server is a Synology NAS and I am trialling a Squeezeplug on Raspberry Pi server using the NAS to hold the music files. The BBC iplayer plugin worked flawlessly via the NAS server for over two years on standard settings. About 2 months ago the service deteriorated with missing programmes and artwork in the listings and around the same time I started to get the rebuffering. Nothing on the network had changed. The artwork and missing progs improved after some work by Triode but the rebuffering remained. It is very intermittent. Sometimes it will be fine for a couple of hours. At other times ot will rebuffer every minute or so. I suspect either BBC or ISP. The fact that I can stream Spotify without issues to my Squeezeboxen, or iPlayer video to PCs then I strongly suspect the BBC have reduced the resources for this Radio service or demand has risen beyond its current resources. Sent from my GT-I8190N using Tapatalk Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.3 (official Synology package) *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
IIRC the synology DS111 prcoessor has not got good floating point so it wopuld ne best to use for transcoding AAC. With the Duets and synology or Pi as a server - use WMA service. Squeezelite would be OK with AAC so choosing iPlayer no transcoding setting should be the best compromise. The BBC make small tweaks/updates to their service mainly Flash and it is these that usually require plugin updates. I don't believe the WMA has changed in years. I'm not sure about UK but outside the UK the WMA service is delivered by a different 3rd party compared to the FlashAAC and other iPlayer service. If it is the same in the UK you can end up with different quality of service on Squeezelite playing FlashAAC compared to the Duets playing WMA. The 3rd party's delivery network is also regional so it's possible for one region to suffer poor service either due to loading, maintenance or partial failures. IIRC the Flash protocol is better at adapting to network transmission problems than the http used for the WMA protocol (bigger buffers is the only mechanism). PCs have bigger buffers (and video requires bigger buffers) and usually provide a better service by buffering streams to smooth out lumps hiding rebuffering whereas NAS or small players do minimal buffering at network level which means any lumps can result in re-buffering to catch up. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
Thanks for the help. What puzzles me is why it worked so well for so long and only recently developed problems. There was no change in the system. The two RPi devices post-date the problem. Will the no transcoding option remove server differences and so the player ends up playing the highest form it can cope with natively? In my case that would be WMA for the Receivers and AAC for Squeezelite. I could live with that if it stopped the rebuffering. I would still have the delayed listing issue with WMA would I not? Sent from my GT-I8190N using Tapatalk Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.3 (official Synology package) *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
Right BPA, have done some testing. I am using the Squeezeplug as that has a hardware FPU which is better for transcoding. Although the Synology lacked a hardware FPU it would still transcode to most formats except MP3, although Ralphy found me a program that I could install which even did that. MAIN BBC IPLAYER APP The delayed listing issue seems to affect BBC iPlayer whatever option I choose for the transcoding - but you probably already knew that! I find that the programs tend to go on the list in lumps, mid-morning, mid afternoon and late evening. With the allow transcoding option in the iPlayer settings not ticked the Duets play in 96kbps WMA and the Squeezelite at 128kbps AAC. With the option ticked both Duet and Squeezelite are playing 128kbps AAC with the Duets converted to 705kbps FLAC No rebuffering with either option yet. The big test will be at peak listening time in the early evening. IPLAYER EXTAS APP With transcoding ticked there is no change from the situation with the main app, both playing 128kbps AAC with transcoding to FLAC for the Duets. With transcoding un-ticked the Squeeezlite player still plays 128kbps but the Duet falls back to 96kbps WMA, as you would expect. The surprising thing is that it works fine for every program on the list that is available. It seems that on the Extras national listing in the UK there is no delay in getting the WMA stream, it is there at the same time as the AAC one. I am able to play a program that was on air just an hour ago whereas with the iPlayer listing I might have to wait half a day. So there does not seem to be any logical reason why the XML listing couldn't be as up to date as the one the Extras plugin uses (AFAICT). Anyway, thanks for the pointers BPA. I will be using the iPlayer Extras National stations listing from now on. I will keep the transcoding ticked for the time being to see if the rebuffering occurs, and if it does I will disable it and see if it makes a difference. I still strongly suspect that this is a BBC or ISP issue. For a while last week I was using just WMA to all three players with transcoding unticked (almost accidentally, I was trying everything!) and was still getting the rebuffering issue, albeit reduced in severity, so I really don't think it is a server issue. Perhaps it is Orange throttling media streaming at peak times. I would not put it past them! Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.3 (official Synology package) *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
TheLastMan wrote: The surprising thing is that it works fine for every program on the list that is available. It seems that on the Extras national listing in the UK there is no delay in getting the WMA stream, it is there at the same time as the AAC one. I am able to play a program that was on air just an hour ago whereas with the iPlayer listing I might have to wait half a day. The Extras listing is interesting in that it can pick up programs that are ready for broadcasting but not yet broadcast (or a repeat). For example Crossing Continents of R4 Mon 4th 8.30pm can be played now. The BBC aims to have both formats available simultaneously but if it is from a live broadcast there are extra steps as conversion uses studio streams and not the live broadcast stream as live quality make some audio compromises to ensure encoding in realtime. However sometime a conversion chain breaks down and one formats is not available for hours. So there does not seem to be any logical reason why the XML listing couldn't be as up to date as the one the Extras plugin uses (AFAICT). The XML data is taken from a different database than the iPlayer menu listing. I believe there is a 3rd party dealing with the XML feed and probably to ensure no interference with the iPlayer databases there is an addtional database extraction step. So the logic could be protection or perhaps simply commercial - iPlayer is up to date where devices using official XML are always late so users prefer iPlayer. Extras menus uses unofficial/historical/undocumented feeds and web site and is intended as a backup to BBCiPlayer plugin as these feeds can change or disappear at any time. I feel if rebuffering is frequent and nearly predictable - then it on the user side. Something on the user server, player and/or network needs to be fixed. My litmus test would be playing a live WMA stream through mysb.com on a player hardwired into the router which connects to ISP. When changing LMS server - personally I would look for a one with more one than more core and decent amount of memory. Pi is too minimal for my liking - something like Wandboard dual would make a better LMS server. Also I'd use Arch to avoid unnecessary processes/overheads. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
bpa wrote: I feel if rebuffering is frequent and nearly predictable - then it on the user side. Something on the user server, player and/or network needs to be fixed. My litmus test would be playing a live WMA stream through mysb.com on a player hardwired into the router which connects to ISP. Regarding the server, I would agree if the rebuffering were -consistent- as well as predictable, but it isn't. Most of the time it works fine, just at peak times that it has an issue. And occasionally at random other times. Maybe somebody else in the house is using the internet that I am not aware of. We have an au-pair who Skypes back to France regularly which might have an effect. I am on my own in the house at the moment. Since my last message I have been listening to the Radio 3 live 320kbps AAC stream on a Duet transcoded using the RPi SqueezePlug without a hitch for over 30 minutes. I really think we can discount the server side of this. The Synology has been happily transcoding and steaming this high bitrate stream to my Receivers for over two years with nary a glitch until about a month ago. The SqueezePlug / RPi is also doing this fine without a hitch -at the moment-. Maybe if I were transcoding different streams to different players simultaneously then I should consider a new server, but that almost never happens at the moment. I also doubt it is my WiFi. Each Duet is served by a different AP and the system will happily stream different FLAC files from my library to each of my three players. I am sure the problem has something to do with t'interweb somewhow. Either my 9 meg download speed is insufficient for the demands of two adults, three teenagers and an au pair (quite possible) or my cheap and nasty ISP is throttling at peak times (more likely), or the BBC is not resourcing the iPlayer radio service properly (also possible). When changing LMS server - personally I would look for a one with more one than more core and decent amount of memory. Pi is too minimal for my liking - something like Wandboard dual would make a better LMS server. Also I'd use Arch to avoid unnecessary processes/overheads.I agree that a more powerful server would be nice. I have LMS installed on my Quad Core i7 Windows 7 machine with 16GB memory - the one I do all my recording and ripping on - so if I want more power I can always switch to that. Perhaps I will try using it at peak times and see if I still get the iPlayer rebuffering. If I do I think we can discount server issues! Anyway thanks for all your help, I now have a much better clue about how this brilliant plug-in works. A giant leap for me, but one small step for mankind ;) Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.3 (official Synology package) *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: YouTube Plugin
I would like to thanks all the people who brings the youtube plugin to life again. But i still have got the same problem. All songs are playing in low resolution (non-HD). What I have to do to get an HD quality? I have tried to add hd=1 in my $url in ProtocolHandler.pm but without any effect. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. marky's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62138 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87731 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Spotify Premium Plugin (Beta)
Maybe it's been asked a hundred times before, but I can't finde it. Will Squeezelite work with the Spotify Premium Plugin? ::Please vote::: '::bug 1330:: New music should work on creation date' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1330) '::bug 17542:: New and changed doesn't handle changed files ' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17963) '::bug 17799:: Use a separator such as 'Also appears on' when viewing the albums by an artist' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17799) '::bug 18054:: Add support for 'Set Subtitle'/'Disc Subtitle' (ID3v2.4 TSST/ID3V2.3 TIT3)' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18054) 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 4x Controller, 1x Radio, 4x Receiver, 2x Touch verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79706 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Squeezer: open source Android Squeezeserver remote control
Apesbrain wrote: Ok, that's it. Screen on my phone is too small (240 x 320 px) to see these controls in portrait but they are there in landscape. Ah. What device is that, so I can add it to my testing set? nikclayton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63164 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101898 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Squeezer: open source Android Squeezeserver remote control
Henk51 wrote: Well in the Now Playing Screen the artistssongs aren't updated if the next song is playing from online audiostream. That's a bug, fixed with https://github.com/nikclayton/android-squeezer/commit/56af7fce53bbf2449a04c8f2c8acac9fcde63c74, and will be in the next release. But when the S5 is changing from WiFi to 3G net, and turned back to WiFi only then the NPS is updated, is this normal? Is that a different problem, or related to the first one? nikclayton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63164 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101898 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Squeezer: open source Android Squeezeserver remote control
Roland0 wrote: - When switching to the playlist, the focus is on the first track, and not on the one currently playing. This is rather annoying when using long playlists, as I have to scroll down hundreds of entries. Bug, fixed in the next version with https://github.com/nikclayton/android-squeezer/commit/faab7620a8efd9c0d7ec376f4eb5776cd7cd31aa. - Cover images are not cached (e.g. switch to new music, wait for images, exit, switch to new music again, images are loaded again), caching in memory (or even better persisting them to a local db) would significantly improve performance. Cover images are cached, both to disk and local memory. What makes you think they aren't? - No plugin support: I've seen the thread about apps, however, there are a lot more plugins available than apps. Having the plugin menu, and the plugin context menus for artists/albums/tracks would be great. I'd really appreciate some help with this -- I don't use plugins on my server (maybe I'm missing out a bunch of useful functionality), so I'm not entirely sure what you mean. For example, when you say plugin context menus for artists/albums/tracks how would you like that to work in Squeezer? Maybe you can give me an example based on the web UI (so I can try and reproduce it locally) and then describe how you think this should work on Android? nikclayton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63164 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101898 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Squeezer: open source Android Squeezeserver remote control
I'll edit the first post to mention this in a moment as well, but if anyone is interested in receiving beta versions of Squeezer ahead of the normal release, here's how you sign up. 1. Join the Squeezer Beta tester community on Google+, at https://plus.google.com/communities/104836508948545556562. 2. Once you've joined you should see an opt-in link at https://play.google.com/apps/testing/uk.org.ngo.squeezer. Go there and opt-in to become a tester, and you'll receive beta versions of the app (basically, release candidates for the next release). nikclayton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63164 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101898 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Spotify Premium Plugin (Beta)
verypsb wrote: Maybe it's been asked a hundred times before, but I can't finde it. Will Squeezelite work with the Spotify Premium Plugin? Yes. The constraint is the processor in the computer you have installed Squeezelite on. Intel x86 and most ARM processors are fine. If in doubt post the processor here and somebody will probably be able to tell you. Sent from my GT-I8190N using Tapatalk Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.3 (official Synology package) *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79706 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Squeezer: open source Android Squeezeserver remote control
nikclayton wrote: I'd really appreciate some help with this -- I don't use plugins on my server (maybe I'm missing out a bunch of useful functionality), so I'm not entirely sure what you mean. For example, when you say plugin context menus for artists/albums/tracks how would you like that to work in Squeezer? Maybe you can give me an example based on the web UI (so I can try and reproduce it locally) and then describe how you think this should work on Android? The web UI is a bad example because it still uses a somewhat different UI to everything else (Squeezeboxes, most smartphone Apps,...) Have a look at Logitech's Android App. You can find the context menu if you hold an item. There are a lot of hooks for various plugins there. The rest is usually under Extras. You get the context menu for the current track by holding the big cover on the NowPlaying screen. Context menus for the current track/current playlist have some additional features compared to the ones for the library. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 7, the Universal App for iOS 7* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101898 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
Well, since my earlier postings I have had Triode's BBC iPlayer plug-in running almost solidly through the SqueezePlug and Duet. I have been picking programs from Radios 3, 4 and 6 and interspersing with a few FLAC files from my library. I particularly concentrated on running iPlayer in the 5-9pm slot. Transcoding was enabled to stress the SqueezePlug as much as possible. And you know what? Not a single glitch, dropout or rebuffer the whole day, as far as I could tell. Clearly, if there still is a problem, it is very unlikely to lie with either my server(s) or my home network. Perhaps everybody is away on holiday so not using their broadband? I found a web site that collected reported problems called downdetector that reports when people get problems with web sites and apps. iPlayer Radio issues rise from about 4pm through to about midnight in a nice bell shaped curve peaking between 7pm and 10pm. Now there is nothing to say this is caused by the BBC itself, these could all just be people with poor broadband connections. However, whatever the cause I am clearly not alone. Oh, and it was great to listen to Guy Garvey on Desert Island Discs. Elbow are my favourite band at the moment, and possibly of all time, and I do try and listen to Guy Garvey's Finest Hour on 6 music when I can. That man is a poet. Bones of You, Lippy Kids, Sad Captains and New York Morning - just some of my faves. If you are wondering why I am posting at 3am it is because I fell asleep in an armchair listening to some Joni Mitchell and have just woken up and thought I would post before I turn the PC off. Frustrating stuff this internet malarky. Perhaps I should go with Fibre broadband? It is available around here but hellishly expensive. Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.3 (official Synology package) *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
