[political-research] Re: Harry Truman and UFOs
--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by Sean McBride via Google Reader: Harry Truman and *UFOs* via Google Blog Search: Majestic-12 OR MJ-12 UFO OR UFOs The NWO, Majestic 12 and Grey Aliens 14 Jun 2007 by dad2059 My searching for the MJ-12 (Majestic 12) documents and the links between UFOs, abductions, grey aliens, Roswell and the NWO have turned up this article by John White (might not be real name) on the UFO WhipNet. ... Dad2059's House of Tin Foil - http://dad2059.wordpress.com UFO's too, Sean?! On those Grey Aliens, http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/chapter6.htm Read all about the Grey Space Aliens held in underground bases by the USG under Area 51. In the late 70's, Special Forces of the US Army had a battle w/them. Hundreds of GI Joes were killed.
Re: [political-research] Re: Harry Truman and UFOs
My perspective on UFOs: I've just read three major books on the subject, by Richard Dolan, Timothy Good and Steven Greer. Dolan's book, which is based on solid scholarship, is especially valuable. All three books include a plethora of first-person reports from highly reliable sources (often in the military and law enforcement communities), and source documents on the subject from military and intel communities around the world. It is difficult to explain away all these reports, when taken as a whole. I am keeping an open mind on the subject. Read Dolan's book if you want to get up to speed. Either ETs are real, or the entire UFO controversy is a gigantic psyop. Based on the best reports, taken in combination, it is difficult to dismiss the controversy as merely a psyop. Too many people with clear heads have seen too many objects which behave in consistent ways and which are far beyond the current state of human technology. michael098762001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent to you by Sean McBride via Google Reader: Harry Truman and *UFOs* via Google Blog Search: Majestic-12 OR MJ-12 UFO OR UFOs The NWO, Majestic 12 and Grey Aliens 14 Jun 2007 by dad2059 My searching for the MJ-12 (Majestic 12) documents and the links between UFOs, abductions, grey aliens, Roswell and the NWO have turned up this article by John White (might not be real name) on the UFO WhipNet. ... Dad2059's House of Tin Foil - http://dad2059.wordpress.com UFO's too, Sean?! On those Grey Aliens, http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/chapter6.htm Read all about the Grey Space Aliens held in underground bases by the USG under Area 51. In the late 70's, Special Forces of the US Army had a battle w/them. Hundreds of GI Joes were killed.
[political-research] Re: Harry Truman and UFOs
--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My perspective on UFOs: I've just read three major books on the subject, by Richard Dolan, Timothy Good and Steven Greer. This one? UFOs and the National Security State: Chronology of a Coverup, 1941-1973 by Richard M. Dolan and Jacques F. Vallee (Paperback - Jul 2002) Nazis and Neo-Nazis are into UFO's too, esp. Ernst Zundel. See, Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism and the politics of Identity, by Nicolas Goodrick-Clarke, NYU Press. God help me if I find Zundel or other Holocaust Denialists or cites of writers like Bollyn from Willis Carto's rags, The American Free Press, formerly The Spotlight, in the archives here. After all like Kevin Macdonald, those neo-fascists are against the neo-cons and Zionism too.
Re: [political-research] Re: Harry Truman and UFOs
Are you actually trying to smear UFO researchers in general by associating them with Nazis? Do you have any evidence that Richard Dolan, Timothy Good and Steven Greer, the three authors I mentioned, are Nazis or harbor Nazi sympathies? Do you have any substantive remarks to make about Dolan's book? Going to the Nazi well too often in quest of rhetorical tropes and arguments is a ticket to irrelevance in serious discussions, don't you think? You have Nazis on the brain? The defense and intel agencies of every major government in the world are paying close attention to UFOs. This interest is documented in the books I just mentioned. The CIA took charge of UFO research back in the fifties. As a rule, nations object to having their airspace violated by aircraft which don't identify themselves and which can easily outrun and outmaneuver our best technologies. michael098762001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My perspective on UFOs: I've just read three major books on the subject, by Richard Dolan, Timothy Good and Steven Greer. This one? UFOs and the National Security State: Chronology of a Coverup, 1941-1973 by Richard M. Dolan and Jacques F. Vallee (Paperback - Jul 2002) Nazis and Neo-Nazis are into UFO's too, esp. Ernst Zundel. See, Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism and the politics of Identity, by Nicolas Goodrick-Clarke, NYU Press. God help me if I find Zundel or other Holocaust Denialists or cites of writers like Bollyn from Willis Carto's rags, The American Free Press, formerly The Spotlight, in the archives here. After all like Kevin Macdonald, those neo-fascists are against the neo-cons and Zionism too.
[political-research] Re: Harry Truman and UFOs
--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you actually trying to smear UFO researchers in general by associating them with Nazis? Do you have any evidence that Richard Dolan, Timothy Good and Steven Greer, the three authors I mentioned, are Nazis or harbor Nazi sympathies? Do you have any substantive remarks to make about Dolan's book? Going to the Nazi well too often in quest of rhetorical tropes and arguments is a ticket to irrelevance in serious discussions, don't you think? You have Nazis on the brain? Oy vey, says this gentile. A lot of Nazis and neo-Nazis have/had obsessions about UFO's. In my decade and half living in Berkeley and Oakland and Santa Cruz, I also met more than a few members of the Communist Party, U.S.A., Trotskyists, Maoists, Black Nationalists in the Nation of Islam, old sds'ers, hippies and New Agers who also had obsessions w/UFO's. Read the book by Goodrick-Clarke, and while you are it it, Gods of the Blood, on paganism, neo-nazism and Christian Identity. Guess, I'll have to say in case you are a pagan, that all the pagans I've ever known, from the Unitarian Universalist left-liberals and radical lefties to anarchist pagans have been on the Left. But, the latter book is extensively researched. Author has also written a longer book on the Nation of Islam and has data there about their cooperation with neo-Nazis like George Lincoln Rockwell and Tom Metzger of White Aryan Resistance.
Re: [political-research] Re: Harry Truman and UFOs
Brilliant and well-educated minds from all across the political spectrum, and especially from the defense and intel agencies of major nations all around the world, have had an intense interest in UFOs for five or six decades now. Your attempts to link UFO research to Nazis are, quite frankly, bizarre, and say much more about your own preoccupations than those of leading UFO researchers. If you actually get around to reading Richard Dolan's book (or those by Greer, Good or Stanton Friedman), by all means weigh in with whatever useful insights about the issue occur to you. Weak minds dismiss the subject out of hand, without examining the evidence, because it sounds too weird to be true. Back in the day, they were flat-earthers and pre-Copernicans. They are unable to imagine intelligences and technologies in the universe radically beyond our own in development. John E. Mack, the Pulitzer Prize-winning biographer of T.E. Lawrence and a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School (before he was run over by a car), is another interesting mind who took the UFO controversy seriously. His book is next on my reading list. Last I checked, he wasn't a Nazi -- in fact, I believe he was Jewish. michael098762001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you actually trying to smear UFO researchers in general by associating them with Nazis? Do you have any evidence that Richard Dolan, Timothy Good and Steven Greer, the three authors I mentioned, are Nazis or harbor Nazi sympathies? Do you have any substantive remarks to make about Dolan's book? Going to the Nazi well too often in quest of rhetorical tropes and arguments is a ticket to irrelevance in serious discussions, don't you think? You have Nazis on the brain? Oy vey, says this gentile. A lot of Nazis and neo-Nazis have/had obsessions about UFO's. In my decade and half living in Berkeley and Oakland and Santa Cruz, I also met more than a few members of the Communist Party, U.S.A., Trotskyists, Maoists, Black Nationalists in the Nation of Islam, old sds'ers, hippies and New Agers who also had obsessions w/UFO's. Read the book by Goodrick-Clarke, and while you are it it, Gods of the Blood, on paganism, neo-nazism and Christian Identity. Guess, I'll have to say in case you are a pagan, that all the pagans I've ever known, from the Unitarian Universalist left-liberals and radical lefties to anarchist pagans have been on the Left. But, the latter book is extensively researched. Author has also written a longer book on the Nation of Islam and has data there about their cooperation with neo-Nazis like George Lincoln Rockwell and Tom Metzger of White Aryan Resistance.
