Re: Thank you, Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you! Thank you to my most honorable colleague Harry Reid. Thank you to my esteemed colleague Senator Dodd. Thank you to my honored colleague Mr. Frank.
d.b., I consider the Title of this post to be disruptive. Please delete this Thread... Thank you in advance. On Sep 27, 10:00 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No further comment. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dems Earmarking Billions For ACORN (the vote fraudsters)
If this ACORN thing is in the Final Bill, there is going to be Hell to pay... On Sep 27, 7:03 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boss Tweed --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Rule of Lawyers
mark, Well then I guess he should have addressed it to Travis and not me, right? No dumbass, he is offering the unsupported personal opinion that the two Dems are worthless, non-productive members of society. Do you wish to challenge the accuracy of what I fucking posted or do you not? On Sep 27, 6:59 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe Keith was refering to the original post by travis. he was commenting that two dems are worthless non productive members of society, while the two republicans have actually worked for a living, and have been productive members of society. your post is ridiculous considering that the two presidents that were bookends for Reagan and Bush 1 were two of the worst presidents this country has ever seen. and both were dems. that would be carter and clinton un case you could not figure that out. Hollywood wrote: Keith, I'm sorry, but waht the fuck does that have to do with my post to Travis? Are you wishing to start a new thread/subject? On Sep 27, 5:25 pm, KeithInTampa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the biggest distinction, is that both Senator McCain, as well as Governor Palin have experience with working, and making a living, whereas Senator Obama and Senator Biden have never produced, manufactured, sold, marketed, generated, serviced, or in general, worked a day in their adult lives. Oh, wait, I forgot about that whole community service thingamajig...Other than spending millions of tax dollars on toilets in the projects in Chicago, Senator Obama and Senator Biden have never produced, manufactured, sold, marketed, generated, serviced, or in general, worked a day in their adult lives. On Sep 27, 4:23 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Travis, Yep, one was a 2nd rate Hollywood actor and the other a 2nd rate businessman who enjoyed what degree of business sucess' he had due to daddy's money and political influence. I'm fucking impressed. On Sep 27, 2:38 pm, Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: *Travis* Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 Subject: The Rule of Lawyers The Rule of Lawyers http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2008/09/rule-of-lawyers.html !--[if !vml]--!--[endif]--http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mveHL3n_4ME/SNW8XmDkw7I/Ao4/PH6fck4... What do the two most successful Republican Presidents of the last few decades have in common? None of them were lawyers. It might seem like a trite observation but Reagan and George W. Bush were both noted for their pragmatism, their ability to connect to voters and grand visions. While both men were certainly flawed, they also had an ability to transcend the trite legalisms of process and procedure in order to strive for something bigger. As I wrote on Friday, the 2008 election beyond party comes to a choice between a ticket with 2 lawyers and a ticket with no lawyers on it. It is any wonder that the liberal political elite has fervently embraced the lawyer ticket while lashing out venomously at the non-lawyer ticket? The legal profession today, more than any other profession, embodies the moral equivalence and the distortions of language that turns right and wrong upside down, at the heart of modern liberalism. While conservatives often attack academia and Hollywood, the worst of the problem is inherent in the modern understanding of American law, an understanding that requires creating a moral vacuum and advocating not for justice, but for the criminal. And yet America's leaders repeatedly come out of the legal profession, almost in inverse proportion to the amount of public hatred for lawyers. In the hands of liberalism the law has become a tool for undoing the body of work of America's Founders, replacing it with hypocritical interpretations and distortions, shelving the second amendment while interpreting the death penalty and denial of citizenship as cruel and unusual punishment. When it came to crippling the War on Terror, while journalists did their part, it was the lawyers who hounded and harangued and undermined until they got their way. It was the lawyers who time and time again stepped forward to fight for, sympathize and even aid and abet terrorists. And now it is two lawyers who are running on the Messiah ticket for the White House on empty rhetoric and a hollow spectacle and a great deal of dirty tricks. Even as liberalism has demonized the soldier, smeared the patriot and the religious man, it has put forward three heroes, the reporter, the lawyer and the teacher. These are the three pillars of American liberalism. The reporter smears and brings down the reactionary power structures and the
Re: Thank you, Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you! Thank you to my most honorable colleague Harry Reid. Thank you to my esteemed colleague Senator Dodd. Thank you to my honored colleague Mr. Frank.
Why the celebrations? This will do nothing to solve the US economic crisis, not a damn thing. By the end of the week at the latest the markets will unwind. Don't you get tired of extolling the virtures of those that have been complicit in causing this crisis then put the burden on the back of American workers? The ties that bind: Dodd, Schumer and Wall Street By Barry Grey 24 September 2008 Use this version to print | Send this link by email | Email the author There is nothing mysterious about the abject servility exhibited by the members of the Senate Banking Committee toward Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke at Tuesday’s hearing on the Bush administration’s bailout plan for Wall Street. All of them have a stake, personal and financial as well as political, in rescuing the financial elite at the expense of the American people. This applies no less to the Democrats than to the Republicans. About half of the Senate’s 100 members were millionaires in 2006, according to the Center for Responsive Politics (CPR), with an average net worth of $8.9 million. The two leading Democrats on the Banking Committee, Chairman Christopher Dodd of Connecticut and Charles Schumer of New York, are among the most favored recipients of campaign cash from big Wall Street interests. Senator Schumer raised $12,928,000 in the 2003-2008 election cycle, according to the CPR. His top five industries for campaign cash were securities and investment, lawyers and law firms, real estate, miscellaneous finance and commercial banks, from which he netted a total of $3,937,000. His top five contributing firms were Citigroup, UBS, Paul Weiss et al, Kasowitz, Benson et al and Metlife, which funneled a total of $271,000 to his campaigns. In the course of his political career, Senator Dodd has raised $43,344,000. In the 2003-2008 election cycle his top five industries for campaign funds were securities and investment ($4,268,000), lawyers and law firms, insurance, real estate and commercial banks, for a total of $9,826,000. His top five contributing firms were Citigroup, SAC Capital Partners, United Technologies, Royal Bank of Scotland and the insurance giant (taken over by the government earlier this month) American International Group. His total take from these firms was $1,315,000. Dodd, who presents himself as the champion of homeowners victimized by the subprime mortgage racket, proposed a housing bill in June of this year that would assist subprime lenders such as Countrywide Financial, the biggest purveyor of such home loans. Countrywide, on the brink of collapse, was bought out by Bank of America earlier this year. Condé Nast Portfolio reported that in 2003 Dodd refinanced the mortgages on his homes in Washington DC and Connecticut through Countrywide and received below-market rates due to his having been placed in a “Friends of Angelo” program (named for CEO Angelo Mozilo). US government to bail out Wall Street By Barry Grey 20 September 2008 Use this version to print | Send this link by email | Email the author The Bush administration on Friday announced plans for a massive and unprecedented federal bailout of the US banking system. In separate appearances Friday morning, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and President Bush announced a series of measures to shore up collapsing financial markets and called on Congress to pass legislation next week to use, in Paulson’s words, “hundreds of billions” of taxpayer dollars to buy virtually worthless mortgage-backed assets that cannot be sold on the market from banks and other financial institutions. Paulson said he would meet over the weekend with congressional leaders to lay out the details of the government plan. With this plan, the full cost of the immense debts piled up by the banks will be imposed on the American people. It will shift the banks’ liabilities onto the federal government, sharply increasing government budget deficits and the US debt, a process that can only further erode the creditworthiness of the United States and place a bigger question mark on the value of the US dollar. In the past week alone, the US Treasury has announced cash injections into the Federal Reserve Board of $200 billion to bolster the sagging balance sheet of the central bank, which has already expended hundreds of billions in loans and subsidies to the major Wall Street banks and put out another $85 billion in the takeover this week of the insurance giant American International Group. The presidential candidates of both major parties, Republican Senator John McCain and Democratic Senator Barack Obama, quickly signaled their support for the wholesale bailout of the banks and big investors, and prominent congressional Democrats issued assurances that they would obey the demands of Paulson, Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke and Bush and pass the required legislation by the end of next week. The immediate line-up of both parties
Bail out: Too little, too late
Payrolls Probably Fell, Factories Shrank: U.S. Economy Preview By Shobhana Chandra Sept. 28 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. probably lost jobs in September for the ninth consecutive month and manufacturing shrank as the credit crisis intensified, economists said before reports this week. Payrolls probably fell by 105,000, according to the median estimate in a Bloomberg News survey ahead of Labor Department figures on Oct. 3. A report from a private group may show factories stagnated this month as demand softened. The worst financial-markets meltdown since the Great Depression is dealing another blow to an economy reeling from mounting job losses, a housing slump in its third year and a pullback in consumer spending. Weakening growth overseas will limit demand for U.S.-made goods, further hurting manufacturing. ``Things are definitely looking worse,'' said David Resler, chief economist at Nomura Securities International Inc. in New York. The credit crisis ``will magnify the degree of the economic downturn. The labor market is weak, and manufacturing is going to slow as some of our trading partners are in a recession like the U.S.'' The employment report may show the jobless rate stayed at a five-year high of 6.1 percent this month, according to the Bloomberg survey. Factory payrolls probably fell by 50,000. Factory Index The Institute for Supply Management's factory index probably slid to 49.5, from 49.9 in August, the survey median shows. The Tempe, Arizona- based group's index for service industries, which make up almost 90 percent of the economy, declined to 50 from 50.6 the prior month, economists forecast. An index reading of 50 is the dividing line between expansion and contraction for ISM's manufacturing report, due on Oct. 1, and for its services report, due two days later. Companies will get less support from overseas demand in coming months. Europe's economy contracted in the second quarter for the first time since the introduction of the euro almost a decade ago, and Japan's economy shrank in the same period. U.S. businesses also are limiting spending on new equipment. Factory orders fell in August for the first time in six months, economists in the Bloomberg survey predict ahead of Commerce Department figures due on Oct. 2. Another Commerce report on Sept. 29 may show automakers' incentives helped to lift personal spending by 0.2 percent in August, according to the median forecast of economists. Still, Americans remain under pressure, and consumer spending may stagnate this quarter, the worst performance since 1991, according to a Bloomberg survey in early September. Unemployment The weakening labor market is holding down spending. The projected drop in September payrolls would follow 84,000 reductions in August that brought the total job cuts for the first eight months to 605,000. In 2007, the economy generated 91,000 jobs a month on average. The bailout of US banks will do absolutely nothing except for throwing another $700+ of tax payer's money down a black hole. What's new/ The government and business have been pillaging tax payers funds for decades. BY THE END OF THE WEEK STOCKS WILL BE TUMBLING BANKS WILL BE CLOSING! In the past week, Chrysler LLC said it will fire about 250 employees as part of a plan to eliminate 1,000 salaried positions by Sept. 30, and UAL Corp.'s United Airlines said 1,550 flight attendants volunteered for leaves, eliminating the need for forced layoffs. The U.S. Postal Service, which has said it may lose $2 billion this year, on Sept. 23 announced it is imposing a hiring and promotions freeze, effective immediately. Payroll declines in September may be bigger in part because Hurricanes Gustav and Ike threw thousands out of work, economists said. More layoffs may occur following a bankruptcy filing by New York-based Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and the government takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The New York metropolitan area is forecast to lose 64,000 positions by the second quarter of 2010, according to West Chester, Pennsylvania- based Moody's Economy.com. ``I believe that if the credit markets are not functioning, that jobs will be lost, the unemployment rate will rise, more houses will be foreclosed upon, GDP will contract, that the economy will just not be able to recover,'' Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke told the Senate Banking Committee on Sept. 23. The Bush administration is working with Congress on a rescue plan for troubled banks to prevent growth from stalling. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Nancy Pelosi Thanks Herself For Saving America
Thank you, Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you! Thank you to my most honorable colleague Harry Reid. Thank you to my esteemed colleague Senator Dodd. Thank you to my honored colleague Mr. Frank. And THANK ME for my specialness and astounding talents. Now I'd like to yield the microphone to my most esteemed and honorable colleague, Democratic Majority Leader of The Senate, the most honorable Senator Reid. Thank you, Madam Speaker, thank you, thank you, thank you for your extraordinary patience and skill in guiding these very trying and difficult negotiations. And thank you Senator Dodd, a man destined to go down in history as the greatest man of the 20th and 21st centuries. Thank you to Mr. Frank, whose humor enabled us to reach a wonderfully pork-laden bailout, and thank the most honorable Senator Obama, and his esteemed wife Michelle, and ACORN, for reminding us that it's our overriding mission to bring capitalism and capitalists to their knees for the sake of Mrs. Pelosi's most honorable grandchildren. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: First Palin, Then Campaign Suspension. What Now?
i figure we will have another fake teror attack ! On Sep 27, 9:00 am, doctoroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like number seven. He could do a nice dance number with Rudy Giuliani in heels.. On Sep 27, 5:17 am, mike532 [ Republicans for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First Palin, Then Campaign Suspension. What Now? Slate predicts McCain's next 10 Hail Mary stunts. http://www.slate.com/id/2200927/ John McCain 1. Returns to Vietnam and jails himself. 2. Offers the post of vice vice president to Warren Buffett. 3. Challenges Obama to suspend campaign so they both can go and personally drill for oil offshore. 4. Learns to use computer. 5. Does bombing run over Taliban-controlled tribal areas of Pakistan. 6. Offers to forgo salary, sell one house. 7. Sex-change operation. 8. Suspends campaign until Nov. 4, offers to start being president right now. 9. Sells Alaska to Russia for $700 billion. 10. Pledges to serve only one term. OK, half a term. Do you have an idea for McCain's next campaign stunt? Send it to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED], and we will publish the best ideas. E-mails may be quoted by name unless you indicate otherwise.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dems Earmarking Billions For ACORN (the vote fraudsters)
On Sep 28, 2:21 am, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this ACORN thing is in the Final Bill, there is going to be Hell to pay... It's likely to be hidden in the Affordable Housing trust. Like a little seed hidden in the tree. Meanwhile, McCain is making a huge mistake if he continues to defer to the senate's back-slapping club. He should've pounced the minute he heard Obama utter the words, affordable housing. And he should call all the back slappers out by name: Dodd, Frank, Schumer, Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Clinton, Carter (et al). Unless he's one of'em. If the package has one ounce of pork, one provisional provision that's intended to insure economic failure, or loss, look out. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voter fraud and manipulation in Ohio
really how mnay cases have been brought to trial in the last eight years ? On Sep 27, 12:25 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, they are trying to block ineligible voters who are signed up by political operatives, including some folks at ACORN... On Sep 27, 3:22 am, mike532 [ Republicans for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the problem is that the republicans have been actively trying to block poor and black voters form the election with dirty and underhanded tricks ! the incidents of voter fraud are infintismal in fact i believe the number of cases where ineligible people have tried to vote in the last six years is under one hundred cases that were prosecuted . On Sep 26, 2:51 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1% of 100,000 can determine an election... And that is the problem... Transparent elections require voter registration to allow for all eligible and legal voters to be able to register while NOT opening up th voting rolls to ineligible voters... Democrats error in seeking few if any safeguard in voter registration... So when an election is won by ineligible voters (as in the Washington State governor's race in 2004) they do not see this as voter fraud or bad voter registration policy... Yet it is... So you see NO PROBLEM... On Sep 26, 1:37 pm, mike532 [ Republicans for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2% of the voter forms submitted by CORN in Ohio were questioned and not all of those were fraudulent or false most were honest mistakes on the forms . as was posted on this board before in another thread ! On Sep 26, 12:11 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the entire thing http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/buckeye-state-or-banana-republic/2/-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sarah Palin may lie, but numbers don't. Her record speaks for itself:
nice try sunshine it was wasila charging the victims under a policy enforced by mayor palin On Sep 27, 11:44 am, voxitar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, but neither do i endorse the smearing of a governor for the policy of a hospitalit was the HOSPITAL charging victims' insurance carriers for rape kits, not then-mayor Palin, her Police Chief, or the town of Wasilla. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 1:30 AM, mike532 [ Republicans for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so you endorse charging the victims of crimes to collect evidence aginst the criminals ? On Sep 26, 6:13 pm, voxitar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 1:32 AM, mike532 [ Republicans for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so the answer is that you were and are still trying to distort the truth inorder to protect palin from her past . Protect Palin from increasing the budget of the Wasilla Police Department? Why would I want to protect her from that? It's obvious to anyone who bothers to go to the Wasilla Town web site and looks. I think you might need some protection from yourself, though, based on your posts. On Sep 25, 3:50 pm, voxitar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 7:59 AM, mike532 [ Republicans for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: either you made an honest mistake or you tryed to distorte the truth ! so which is it ? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-alperinsheriff/sarah-palin-instit... LOL - you're definitely an expert of distorting the truth if you actually believe the shit posted at the HuffPoROTFLMAO. The math doesn't work. I looked at the budgets for the Wasilla PD. The contractual expenses budget line was INCREASED by Palin every year but one. Smear debunked. Back to square one for you!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sarah Palin may lie, but numbers don't. Her record speaks for itself:
then why is she blocking the investigation ? nice try but like your other attempts to cover up palins abuse of authority it didn't work ! On Sep 27, 12:42 pm, voxitar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hank, the entire tasergate non-scandal is about whether or not a governor has the right to fire a political appointee. Clearly, a governor does have the right to fire political appointee, since governors of all states have been firing political appointees foreverwhich makes this entire non-scandal a politically-motivated witch hunt, and not anything of substance. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Hank Kroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the Governor of a State empowered by the vote of the people Sarah has the authority to hire and fire any bureaucrat for any reason at any time. If you take that right away from her we are all in trouble. Bureaucrats rule! To learn more read: Sarah and Barack Obama's book and John McCain's book go:www.GuardDogBooks.comAlso read The Frog is Cooked.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: if Saint Sarah was screwing her husbands partner ! i wonder if she used birth control
influencing a witness in a government investigation and abuse of her authority by an elected offical for starters On Sep 27, 11:49 am, voxitar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what charges? no one has charged Palin with anything. she's been accused, by a disgruntled former employee, of exercising her right to replace a political appointee. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:15 AM, mike532 [ Republicans for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: palin is dead in the water when mccain loses in nov who will protect her from the charges mounting up against her in Alaska ? On Sep 26, 3:25 am, addicted to election '08 political science student [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Palin might be able to survive the election season if she adequately prepares herself for minor interviews with Katie Couric. Telling Katie that she'll have to get back to her on what McCain has done during his 20 years in Congress isn't a very good sign. She can't just smile and rant about hockey and lipstick at the debates. Biden does not fly with that sort of stuff. Palin is no angel, but she better get her act together ASAP. I have not seen interviews like hers in a long time in the political world. She might have to learn her lesson the hard way. On Sep 25, 11:00 pm, Societal Retard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why smear Palin, she smears herself every time she opens her mouth The Societal Retard On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:59 PM, voxitar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 3:42 PM, PoliticalAmazon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't say I had proof. I sad it makes one wonder... Then what does this statement of yours mean: He has a history of adultery, as well. ? Sure sounds like you stating that Palin has a history of adultery. My question to you again is, do you have proof? If not, it's another debunked Palin family smear. How many of your Palin smears have been debunked, now - like, a dozen?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MISSOURI GOVERNOR condemns Obama's Goon Squads
[Q] - Oh, now. Would people really refrain from criticizing Obama just because they fear being, er, sent to prison for it? [q] - This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election. More at the link. Needless to say, no one actually has to be prosecuted for this to work. Prosecution will be impossible anyway in most cases thanks to the First Amendment. The point isn’t to jail critics but merely to price the cost of prospective litigation into their decision on whether to publicly criticize The One. Add this to the threatening letters his lawyers sent to station managers over the NRA ads, the flash-mob smearing of David Freddoso, and the appeal to the Justice Department to prosecute the American Issues Project for its perfectly factual yet devastating Ayers ad. Oh, the fun we’ll have with a deep blue Congress and an Obama-run DOJ and FCC. He promised you a “new type of politics,” didn’t he? Click the image to watch. - http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/27/missouri-governor-goes-nuclear-on-obama-for-using-prosecutors-on-campaign-truth-squad/ On Sep 27, 11:56 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d.b. Good. Don't commit criminal libel and you have no fear of libel charges. It's like announcing a vigorous campain against druck drivers. Don't drive drunk and you have no problems. You don't understand the principle? I repeat. Show me the statement by the aformentioned officials that is their intention. All I see are statements by others CLAIMING that is what they plan to do. On Sep 27, 8:58 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 27, 4:36 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Details man DETAILS. SHOW those alleged plans. No playing dumb, Jimmy Rocket: [Q] - Missouri Sheriffs Top Prosecutors Form Obama Truth Squads Threaten Libel Charges Against Obama Critics More Hope and Change for Missouri... St. Louis and Missouri Democrat sheriffs and top prosecutors are planning to go after anyone who makes false statements against Obama during his campaign. This is so one sided I can't even begin to describe how wrong this agenda is. It's one thing if they want to keep the campaign fair for both sides, but they clearly only want to enforce the issue for the Obama Camp. KMOV has a video report on the Obama Truth Squads. -http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/missouri-sheriffs-prosecute... [Q] - Barack Obama is used to having his way. Interestingly, he is not a fan of people pointing out when he’s lying about things like civil rights, especially that pesky Second Amendment. That’s why Obama has a team of hired goons - some call them lawyers - to threaten legal action against those who air his record: The Obama campaign sent cease and desist letters to news outlets in Pennsylvania and Ohio, denouncing the ads and demanding their removal from the airwaves. All stations where NRA-PVF has purchased or plans to purchase ads have been provided with documented evidence of Sen. Obama’s anti-gun record. The only problem is that the ads are based on a real, proven record. -http://www.thebitchgirls.us/?p=9252 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Nancy Pelosi Thanks Herself For Saving America
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Re: Six Short Takes on Why Obama Came out Ahead in the Debate
Irag and afganistan are linked by oil not Alquda ! and Irag had nothing to do with alquda orior to the bush invasion . On Sep 27, 1:37 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obama thinks the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are not linked in fundamental ways... He wants to believe that because AQ did not much of a presence in Iraq in 2001 that Iraq was not seen as the central battlefield by both the US and AQ... IT WAS SEEN AS THE CENTRAL BATTLEFIELD BY BOTH... In not understanding this fundamental fact, Obama's assumptions over the consequences of a pullout (either today or 2 years ago) are critically flawed and WRONG... It is about judgment Hollywood,, Not understanding what the facts are IS OBAMA'S basic lack of judgment... On Sep 27, 1:27 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: voxitar, Typical, appearances and biased perceptions over substance. How something was over what was said. On Sep 27, 10:34 am, voxitar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obama looked like a student being schooled by the master. McCain looked presidential, Obama just looked like whiner. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 5:16 AM, mike532 [ Republicans for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Six Short Takes on Why Obama Came out Ahead in the Debate http://www.alternet.org/election08/100565/ In the first head-to-head debate of the 2008 campaign, the financial crisis dragged what the McCain camp had hoped would be fought in the GOP nominee's comfort zone -- foreign policy and national security -- squarely into the realm of domestic policy. Moderator Jim Lehrer made a smooth transition to the voters' top concern in this election, saying that we were facing a potential meltdown of the global economy, which was by definition a matter of national security. What followed was a microcosm of the 2008 race: Barack Obama dominated John McCain when the focus of the debate was on the domestic sphere and a fast-deteriorating financial sector, but ceded an enormous amount of political space to McCain on national security, accepting much of the Arizona senator's overarching neoconservative narrative that the United States is surrounded by mortal danger and evildoers and has a moral duty to maintain our forces in Iraq and elsewhere in order to defend the homeland. McCain appeared twitchy and out of touch as the debate began with the banking meltdown and the Bush-Paulson plan to reverse it. He blinked rapidly and avoided eye contact with Obama, Lehrer and the audience as Obama came out swinging against McCain for enabling the root causes of the crisis to develop during decades in the Congress, including a long stint on the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation. Obama articulately condemned what he called a philosophy that says that regulation is always bad, and blamed its pervasiveness for the economic mess. McCain, moments before saying that we have the greatest workers in the world (and that the United States is simultaneously the greatest importer and greatest exporter in the world), tried to shift blame from Wall Street to Main Street -- from predatory lenders and fast-and-loose brokers to those who find themselves with a home on the bubble today. It's a losing strategy. Obama, on the other hand, must be extremely confident that this election will be decided on the economy, as he failed to challenge McCain on his belligerent stance toward the rest of the world. He conceded that the surge has worked -- it has not. He tried to go toe to toe with John Bomb, Bomb Iran McCain on the evils of Iran. He called Venezuela a rogue state. He engaged in a bit of fearmongering himself, saying that while he supports missile defense -- a boondoggle if ever there was one -- the greatest threat we face is from suitcase nukes. As Obama agreed with so much of McCain's worldview, McCain's discomfort disappeared, and he landed several good knocks on Obama. He repeatedly called him naive. But, in the final analysis, a day after Washington Mutual went down in flames, I doubt that it'll be enough to get McCain out of the hole in which he finds himself. Don Hazen: If you were an Obama champion and wanted McCain to fall flat, you were disappointed. McCain is a tough, pugnacious debater, and he tried to control the talk time, going on and on. He's knowledgeable, and as we know, he whipped all of the Republicans during the primaries. But the big picture is that McCain probably had to do better since he is behind on the momentum and had to beat Obama with his supposed strength -- foreign affairs -- and there is a consensus among the commentators that he didn't do that. If you reflect more on the meta or emotional level, McCain spent most of his time talking about the past and focused
Re: barry is stealing from hitler
mark, Fuck you, fuck you. On Sep 27, 7:35 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: seig heil, seig heil. Hollywood wrote: mark, Man ,the desperation is just oozing from your pores, like sweat. The stink of hopleless desperation. How about this one slick? OMG ,do you realize that the names HITLER and McCAIN BOTH have six letters in them! Coincidence? Perhaps, perhaps not. One wonders what ELSE they might have in common? That's about as logical and sensible as the shit you just posted. On Sep 27, 5:11 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: barry;s O symbol was actually stolen from hitler. he used to hold his hands in the same O symbol to show the unity of the German people. so barry steals this from hitler, and he has his SS squads out intimidating people to not show ads that speak the truth about the messiah. seig barry. seig barry- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MISSOURI GOVERNOR condemns Obama's Goon Squads
with the long history of support by the bush family and the GOP for the Nazi party and Hitlers principles you would think they would never want to mention anything about Nazis or fascists . On Sep 27, 7:55 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark, Your STILL a fucking moron. And none of you have provided a fucking shred of evidence that such plans as described by d.b actually exit, have you? So, in a fucking pitifully lame attempt to distract from THAT fact you boys start the childish insults and Nazi references in an attempt to turn the thread into nothing more than an exchange of insults and put-downs. NOW can any of you boys PROVE such plans exist or fucking not? On Sep 27, 5:07 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we shall see sheep, we shall see. have you been practicing your goosestepping? Hollywood wrote: mark, Bull-fucking-shit, idiot. On Sep 27, 3:41 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: der furher nobama has his own personal SS squads out and about to make sure no one will speak bad of der furher. can concentration camps, and numbers tatooed on those who are not loyal nobamaites be far behind? Hollywood wrote: d.b. Matt Blunt is a goner already, not even running for re-election. The Democrat Jay Nixon is pretty much a shoo-in. Details man DETAILS. SHOW those alleged plans. On Sep 27, 3:22 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JEFFERSON CITY - Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics. St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign. What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment. This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. -http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/breaking-gov-matt-blunt-rel...quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Rush, Drudge, and O'Reilly Then, MSNBC censored the McCain health records ad,
We knew we hit a nerve when Rush, Drudge, and O'Reilly unleashed on us the same day. Then, MSNBC censored the McCain health records ad, a Brave New PAC initiative, due to Bill O'Reilly/Fox's pressure. And why? Because of the work we have all done together to stress the importance of John McCain releasing his health care records. Led by over 2500 doctors from around the country, Republicans, Independents and Democrats, asking important questions about the records, about his health, and stating loud and clear the records should be released. We need your help to continue to get the message out. We must keep the focus on these records and getting them released. We must take an ad out in the NY Times. We must hold press events with doctors in Colorado, Florida, Michigan, and Ohio. We must interview more doctors, create video clips and send them around. This campaign is the result of all your great work in spreading the videos, telling friends, bloggers, radio, TV, unions and churches about the issues -- McCain has a YouTube Problem just passed 5.5 million views. Thank you for your support. More to come! Yours, Robert Greenwald Brave New Films --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Rosa Brooks: Keating Five Ring a Bell?
Rosa Brooks: Keating Five Ring a Bell? http://www.truthout.org/article/keating-five-ring-a-bell Rosa Brooks writes for The Los Angeles Times: Once upon a time, a politician took campaign contributions and favors from a friendly constituent who happened to run a savings and loan association. The contributions were generous: They came to about $200,000 in today's dollars, and on top of that there were several free vacations for the politician and his family, along with private jet trips and other perks. The politician voted repeatedly against congressional efforts to tighten regulation of SLs, and in 1987, when he learned that his constituent's SL was the target of a federal investigation, he met with regulators in an effort to get them to back off. That politician was John McCain, and his generous friend was Charles Keating, head of Lincoln Savings Loan. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
SEC Concedes Oversight Flaws Fueled Collapse
SEC Concedes Oversight Flaws Fueled Collapse http://www.truthout.org/092708D Washington — The chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, a longtime proponent of deregulation, acknowledged on Friday that failures in a voluntary supervision program for Wall Street’s largest investment banks had contributed to the global financial crisis, and he abruptly shut the program down. The S.E.C.’s oversight responsibilities will largely shift to the Federal Reserve, though the commission will continue to oversee the brokerage units of investment banks. Also Friday, the S.E.C.’s inspector general released a report strongly criticizing the agency’s performance in monitoring Bear Stearns before it collapsed in March. Christopher Cox, the commission chairman, said he agreed that the oversight program was “fundamentally flawed from the beginning.” “The last six months have made it abundantly clear that voluntary regulation does not work,” he said in a statement. The program “was fundamentally flawed from the beginning, because investment banks could opt in or out of supervision voluntarily. The fact that investment bank holding companies could withdraw from this voluntary supervision at their discretion diminished the perceived mandate” of the program, and “weakened its effectiveness,” he added. Mr. Cox and other regulators, including Ben S. Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, and Henry M. Paulson Jr., the Treasury secretary, have acknowledged general regulatory failures over the last year. Mr. Cox’s statement on Friday, however, went beyond that by blaming a specific program for the financial crisis — and then ending it. On one level, the commission’s decision to end the regulatory program was somewhat academic, because the five biggest independent Wall Street firms have all disappeared. The Fed and Treasury Department forced Bear Stearns into a merger with JPMorgan Chase in March. And in the last month, Lehman Brothers went into bankruptcy, Merrill Lynch was acquired by Bank of America, and Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs changed their corporate structures to become bank holding companies, which the Federal Reserve regulates. But the retreat on investment bank supervision is a heavy blow to a once-proud agency whose influence over Wall Street has steadily eroded as the financial crisis has exploded over the last year. Because it is a relatively small agency, the S.E.C. tries to extend its reach over the vast financial services industry by relying heavily on self-regulation by stock exchanges, mutual funds, brokerage firms and publicly traded corporations. The program Mr. Cox abolished was unanimously approved in 2004 by the commission under his predecessor, William H. Donaldson. Known by the clumsy title of “consolidated supervised entities,” the program allowed the S.E.C. to monitor the parent companies of major Wall Street firms, even though technically the agency had authority over only the firms’ brokerage firm components. The commission created the program after heavy lobbying for the plan from all five big investment banks. At the time, Mr. Paulson was the head of Goldman Sachs. He left two years later to become the Treasury secretary and has been the architect of the administration’s bailout plan. The investment banks favored the S.E.C. as their umbrella regulator because that let them avoid regulation of their fast-growing European operations by the European Union. Facing the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, Mr. Cox has begun in recent weeks to call for greater government involvement in the markets. He has imposed restraints on short- sellers, market speculators who borrow stock and then sell it in the hope that it will decline. On Tuesday, he asked Congress for the first time to regulate the market for credit-default swaps, financial instruments that insure the holder against losses from declines in bonds and other types of securities. The commission will continue to be the primary regulator of the companies’ broker-dealer units, and it will work with the Fed to supervise holding companies even though the Fed is expected to take the lead role. The Fed had already begun regulating Wall Street firms that borrowed money under a new Fed lending program, and the S.E.C. had entered into an agreement under which its examiners worked jointly with Fed examiners, an arrangement that is expected to continue. The S.E.C. will still have primary responsibility for regulating securities brokers and dealers. The announcement was the latest illustration of how the market turmoil was rapidly changing the regulatory landscape. In the coming months, Congress will consider overhauls to the regulatory structure, but the markets and the regulators are already transforming it in response to events. Still, the inspector general’s report made a series of recommendations for the commission and the Federal Reserve that
Is the world facing Thermobaric Terrorism?
From: *Travis* Date: Fri, Sep 26, 2008 Subject: Is the world facing Thermobaric Terrorism? *Is the world facing Thermobaric Terrorism?* By David Eshel - Defense Analyst http://actionsbyt.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/new-type-of-terrorism/ * The not so distant threat could involve a new terrorist weapon: the Thermobaric bomb* Canadian defense scientists are leading an international effort to devise protection against new and more powerful terrorist explosives designed to flatten buildings and rupture people's internal organs. This kind is of weapon, developed during the Cold War in the former Soviet Union, is known highly lethal in confined surroundings, such as underground tube systems and rail carriages. According to Tom Burky, a leading explosives expert: Thermobaric bombs, which the U.S. military is striving to perfect, may also be emerging as a weapon of choice for terrorists. Termed thermobaric, the relatively new explosive belongs to a class of fuel-rich compositions that release energy over a longer period of time than standard explosives, thereby creating a long-duration pressure pulse when detonated in confined spaces. Thermobaric explosives (TBXs) are mixtures of conventional explosives and specific additives, such as aluminum, that undergo combustion after the detonation reaction. This secondary combustion phenomenon leads to specific shape and propagation characteristics in the resulting highly lethal shock wave. The burning plasma clouds can penetrate even the smallest cracks, and when the slurry is completely consumed, the resulting vacuum causes a massive back-blast that crushes everything in the area. There are already signs that terrorists are trying to create thermobaric weapons. For instance, in 2002 a tanker truck was used in a suicide attack on a synagogue in Tunisia, thought to be the work of Al-Qaeda. Some experts believe the way the fuel tanks were rigged with explosives shows a knowledge of fuel-air explosive techniques. Designs for a fuel-air device were also acquired by the CIA from three alleged IRA members on trial in Colombia. The three are said to have been developing the bomb in conjunction with the local guerrilla group. The bomb detonated by al-Qaeda operatives on the Indonesian island of Bali, used the same principles that are behind thermobaric explosives, say scientists with Defense Research and Development Canada. We just learned about thermobaric explosives in the late '80s when the Soviet Union was disintegrating, said Stephen Murray, head of the threat assessment group at the defense agency's Suffield, Alta., laboratories. Those weapons later started showing up on the open market. Thermobaric Weapons The weapons he referred to apply to a wide range of thermobaric devices, which were used by Russia in the Chechnya campaign of 1999. A US Marine Corps study, based on interviews with Russian officers and Chechens, concluded that they were capable of killing troops in bunkers and destroying buildings that hadn't been reinforced. Walls and surfaces do not necessarily shield victims, notes a US training manual. Among the latest additions is the Russian thermobaric grenade–brought out on 23 July 2001 by the Bazalt Research and Production Center. Western countries are developing similar weapons. The US created a bazooka with a thermobaric warhead called the SMAW-NE for the war in Iraq. China recently unveiled its own version, and the UK is also reported to be working on one - although the defense ministry insists that it is merely an enhanced blast weapon. Such weapons are reported to have been used by US Special forces to rout out Taliban hiding in the Afghan Tora Bora mountain caves. According to forensic experts, a Thermobaric explosive device is relatively easy to make. In fact, the materials to make a thermobaric bomb can be obtained without a license. And while an improvised bomb may differ from the military version, it can still have a devastating impact, said Burky. Based on the knowledge published over the past years, in the so-called Terrorist Handbook, a notorious internet website, which depicts precise working instructions to bombmakers, it can be expected that in their search for more effective weapons in underground passages, tube and rail lines and other confined mass packed environments the terrorists will come up with more sophisticated measures. Underground Transport Terrorism Perhaps the most dangerous targets for Thermobaric terrorism are the big city underground networks, counter terrorist experts warn. According to Alphus Hinds, head of secure risk at Interfleet The underground rail system presents the terrorist with a composite choice of tactic and target permutations, from which a 'kill matrix' can be produced - that is an assessment of the likely number of casualties resulting from a particular combination of target and modus operandi. Hinds, who specializes in the assessment of asymmetric and novel threats with particular
Re: McCAIN CAMP now VERY CONCERNED about how CLUELESS Sarah Palin is
doesn't the country already know what a clueless fool biden is? :D On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:05 PM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sarah will show the country just what a clueless fool biden really is. voxitar wrote: well, one thing your friends in DC could do is tell you to stop making shit up...you'd look slightly less like a fool. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 2:23 PM, PoliticalAmazon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Through friends in D.C Apparently the McCain campaign put Sarah Palin through a mock news conference and mock debate, and she was TERRIBLE. She was so bad in the debate that they stopped in the middle and didn't even bother finishing the exercise. Overheard was What are we going to do!? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: what the debate showed
This vile exchange of vacuous rhetoric and war mongering saber rattling, devoid of any intellectual content whatsoever, will now be examined, dissected and debated to death by the myriad media flunkey and hacks, when nothing worthy of reporting took place. This marks a new low in the historical struggles of mankind for freedom and equality and the desperate need for a second enlightenment. What are Obama and McCain other than parasitic businessmen? They are not politicians or statesman. On Sep 27, 11:04 pm, doctoroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting, I saw a desperate old man trying to seize the momentum away from a bright, level headed Democratic candidate. It didn't work. The foreign policy debate was supposed to be McCain's strong suit. He lost. It will be all downhill from here for him. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: what the debate showed
Marxist never make comment on that which they have not researched. Antiwar “Lefts” embrace ultra-right Republican candidate Ron Paul By Jerry White and Jeff Lincoln 22 January 2008 Over the last several months, a section of the antiwar protest movement in the US has turned with increasing enthusiasm towards the candidacy of Ron Paul, the long-time Republican Congressman from Texas, who is seeking his party’s presidential nomination. With a stable of leading Democratic and Republican candidates committed to the continued occupation of Iraq and extension of US military power around the world, Paul’s promotion of a “non- interventionist” US foreign policy and his criticisms of the Patriot Act and other attacks on civil liberties have won him support from a section of politically inexperienced students looking for a means to oppose the war. The Texas congressman’s maverick image has been further enhanced by the vitriol with which his fellow Republican candidates responded to comments Paul made during a debate in Iowa, when he said terrorism was chiefly a response to US meddling in the Middle East. This was followed by the decision of Fox News to exclude him from the debate on the eve of the New Hampshire primary. That Paul can be construed as an “antiwar candidate,” is a measure of how far to the right the American political and media establishment has moved. It is one thing, however, for the politically naïve to be fooled by his demagogy; it is quite another for ostensibly “left” commentators to deliberately conceal his reactionary politics and perpetuate the fraud that the former Libertarian Party candidate for president can be a catalyst for building a powerful antiwar movement. Take for example, Alexander Cockburn, who wrote in his regular column in the Nation magazine that Paul is “rock-solid against war and empire and the neo-liberal corporate state,” adding that the Texas Republican is “a principled fellow who’s won passionate support (and millions in modest cash contributions) from ordinary Americans.” Cockburn’s colleague Jeff Taylor, in a “Letter to a Liberal Friend” posted on the Counterpunch web site, argues that Paul’s right-wing policies will actually broaden the base of the antiwar movement, presumably because the working class can only be attracted on the basis of nationalism, xenophobia and other reactionary appeals. “Not only does Ron Paul represent Jeffersonian values usually termed ‘conservative’ or ‘libertarian’ today (fidelity to the Constitution, frugal government, states’ rights, Second Amendment, national sovereignty), but he is also a leading example of support for Jeffersonian positions nowadays described as ‘liberal’ or ‘leftist’ (e.g. opposition not only to the Iraq War but to war in general, anti-imperialism, ending the federal war on drugs, hostility to the Patriot Act and other violations of civil liberties). This accounts for the wide appeal of the Paul campaign. It’s precisely the sort of trans-ideological, cross-generational populist-libertarian- moralist coalition that I was hoping to see with a [Wisconsin Democratic Senator Russ] Feingold presidential campaign.” In “An Open Letter to the Antiwar Left: Ron Paul Deserves Our Attention,” posted on the Counterpunch web site, Joshua Frank, co- editor of DissidentVoice.org, continues along these lines, arguing that a viable antiwar movement can only be built by blurring the lines of left and right politics. “This is not about Rep. Paul as an individual per se, but about his grassroots following,” Frank writes. “He’s exciting many newcomers to the [antiwar] movement and that must be welcomed. We certainly don’t share the same views with all who have latched on to his campaign, but on the issue of the Iraq war we are in total agreement. One doesn’t have to be a member of the left to oppose empire.” Having long ago rejected the possibility or desirability of building a socialist alternative to the two-party system, and having worked for years in their failed efforts to push the Democratic Party to the left, Cockburn Co. hope promoting Paul will be a more effective means of influencing the two-party system to end the war. As Frank put it, “Rep. Paul’s call to end the war needs to be supported...We need to monkey-wrench the war issue so the media and the big party candidates cannot ignore it.” The struggle against war cannot be successful by appealing to the powers-that-be. This war and the explosion of American militarism in general is not just the product of the circle of neo-conservatives in the White House but is deeply rooted in objective economic and historical conditions, above all the decline in the global position of American capitalism. There is a general consensus in both political parties that military power be used to reassert US hegemony over America’s economic rivals by seizing control of the strategic energy resources of the Middle East and Central Asia. The only means of putting an end to war,
Re: what the debate showed
Who says these men are respectable politicians? On Sep 28, 8:48 am, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This vile exchange of vacuous rhetoric and war mongering saber rattling, devoid of any intellectual content whatsoever, will now be examined, dissected and debated to death by the myriad media flunkey and hacks, when nothing worthy of reporting took place. This marks a new low in the historical struggles of mankind for freedom and equality and the desperate need for a second enlightenment. What are Obama and McCain other than parasitic businessmen? They are not politicians or statesman. On Sep 27, 11:04 pm, doctoroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting, I saw a desperate old man trying to seize the momentum away from a bright, level headed Democratic candidate. It didn't work. The foreign policy debate was supposed to be McCain's strong suit. He lost. It will be all downhill from here for him. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A simple question.
The ONLY thing any of those bastards is an expert on is getting re-elected.
That is why we need term limits on them. 12 years MAX in congress in a
lifetime. Of course the best bet is to elect them to 1 six-year term and at
the end of that take them out and shoot them.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 6:43 AM, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can anyone name a single politician that can be described as an expert
on socio-economics and an intellectual, committed to the advancement
of the working people of the United States and a staunch defender of
habeas corpus?
Can anyone name a single politician that has written any serious works
on political-economy, evolutionary democracy or on the history of man
and society? Anything at all that would suggest that all politicians
are anything other than self-interested careerists?
How can the most powerful country in the world have an illiterate
leader that has no clue as to what is happening in the country he is
supposed to be leading?
These are simple questions, with simple answers. No. No and a travesty
for all humanity. Any argument to the contrary? I thought not.
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Re: MISSOURI GOVERNOR condemns Obama's Goon Squads
d,b. I don't drink and drive, therefore I have no fear of being arrested for that offense. And should , for some reason that were to happen, I have no fear of conviction. Same goes for libel, or burglary or bank robbery, etc. etc. NO ONE can be prosecuted for criticising Obama. I thought we were talking about committing libel? You understand the difference, don't you? WHAT abuse of law? ALL I have seen is some people claiming, without proof, that someone might be planning to do so. Even your article admits that this has NOT actually happened. Show me a copy of these so called threatening letters to radio stations. If a person, company, radio station is such a spineless pussy that they would not exercse their constituional rights out of fear that someone might criticize them ,or even take unfounded legal action, then I guess that's what happens to pussies. Libel is NOT a constituional right. On Sep 28, 2:35 am, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Q] - Oh, now. Would people really refrain from criticizing Obama just because they fear being, er, sent to prison for it? [q] - This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election. More at the link. Needless to say, no one actually has to be prosecuted for this to work. Prosecution will be impossible anyway in most cases thanks to the First Amendment. The point isn’t to jail critics but merely to price the cost of prospective litigation into their decision on whether to publicly criticize The One. Add this to the threatening letters his lawyers sent to station managers over the NRA ads, the flash-mob smearing of David Freddoso, and the appeal to the Justice Department to prosecute the American Issues Project for its perfectly factual yet devastating Ayers ad. Oh, the fun we’ll have with a deep blue Congress and an Obama-run DOJ and FCC. He promised you a “new type of politics,” didn’t he? Click the image to watch. -http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/27/missouri-governor-goes-nuclear-... On Sep 27, 11:56 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d.b. Good. Don't commit criminal libel and you have no fear of libel charges. It's like announcing a vigorous campain against druck drivers. Don't drive drunk and you have no problems. You don't understand the principle? I repeat. Show me the statement by the aformentioned officials that is their intention. All I see are statements by others CLAIMING that is what they plan to do. On Sep 27, 8:58 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 27, 4:36 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Details man DETAILS. SHOW those alleged plans. No playing dumb, Jimmy Rocket: [Q] - Missouri Sheriffs Top Prosecutors Form Obama Truth Squads Threaten Libel Charges Against Obama Critics More Hope and Change for Missouri... St. Louis and Missouri Democrat sheriffs and top prosecutors are planning to go after anyone who makes false statements against Obama during his campaign. This is so one sided I can't even begin to describe how wrong this agenda is. It's one thing if they want to keep the campaign fair for both sides, but they clearly only want to enforce the issue for the Obama Camp. KMOV has a video report on the Obama Truth Squads. -http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/missouri-sheriffs-prosecute... [Q] - Barack Obama is used to having his way. Interestingly, he is not a fan of people pointing out when he’s lying about things like civil rights, especially that pesky Second Amendment. That’s why Obama has a team of hired goons - some call them lawyers - to threaten legal action against those who air his record: The Obama campaign sent cease and desist letters to news outlets in Pennsylvania and Ohio, denouncing the ads and demanding their removal from the airwaves. All stations where NRA-PVF has purchased or plans to purchase ads have been provided with documented evidence of Sen. Obama’s anti-gun record. The only problem is that the ads are based on a real, proven record. -http://www.thebitchgirls.us/?p=9252- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit
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BBC investigated after peer says climate change programme was biased 'one-sided polemic'
The BBC is being investigated by television watchdogs after a leading climate change sceptic claimed his views were deliberately misrepresented. Lord Monckton, a former adviser to Margaret Thatcher, says he was made to look like a ‘potty peer’ on a TV programme that ‘was a one-sided polemic for the new religion of global warming’. Earth: The Climate Wars, which was broadcast on BBC 2, was billed as a definitive guide to the history of global warming, including arguments for and against. During the series, Dr Iain Stewart, a geologist, interviewed leading climate change sceptics, including Lord Monckton. But the peer complained to Ofcom that the broadcast had been unfairly edited. ‘I very much hope Ofcom will do something about this,’ he said yesterday. ‘The BBC very gravely misrepresented me and several others, as well as the science behind our argument. It is a breach of its code of conduct. ‘I was interviewed for 90 minutes and all my views were backed up by sound scientific data, but this was all omitted. They made it sound as if these were just my personal views, as if I was some potty peer. It was caddish of them.’ Ofcom confirmed it was looking into a ‘fairness complaint’ about the documentary. A BBC spokesman said: ‘We stand by the programme.’ Lord Monckton, 56, a former journalist and Cambridge graduate, says scientific data shows the world is cooler today than in the Middle Ages. He appeared alongside other sceptics including distinguished Florida- based meteorologist Professor Fred Singer, John Christy, a climate change expert and adviser to the U.S. government and the climatologist Dr Patrick Michaels, of the University of Virginia. All their interviews, he claims, were heavily cut so that they appeared as personal views. ‘We do not dispute that there is more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, but we do dispute its effects’, he said. ‘The data shows that 2008 is the same temperature as 1980 and that the effects of these changes in the atmosphere are not negative but more likely to be beneficial.’ Lord Monckton played a key role in a legal challenge heard in the High Court in October 2007 in an effort to prevent Al Gore’s film on global warming, An Inconvenient Truth, from being shown in English schools. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1063110/BBC-investigated-peer-says-climate-change-programme-biased-sided-polemic.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
What Is An Islamophobe?
From: *Travis* Date: Fri, Sep 26, 2008 Subject: What Is An Islamophobe? http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63E81FA2-BB8A-466C-9BC4-7CF20C272431 What Is An Islamophobe? By Brigitte Gabrielhttp://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/authors.aspx?GUID=63e81fa2-bb8a-466c-9bc4-7cf20c272431 *FrontPageMagazine.com | 9/26/2008 * For the past five years, I've been traveling the world in an effort to inform people about the threat of radical Islam. I have often been accused of hate speech and Islamophobia. The latest was in an article in the *New York Times*, where I was described not just as an Islamophobe, but a * radical* Islamophobe. This made me question what those terms really mean. What is the difference between hate speech and free speech? What is Islamophobia and who are the *true* Islamophobes? Hate speech verses free speech is easy to define. All over the United States, so-called progressive individuals and groups berate the USA and Israel and in the process tell outrageous lies about both countries. That's called free speech. When others, including me, tell the truth about the threat of radical Islam, that's labeled hate speech by many of these progressives. But what is hate speech and what is Islamophobia? When I describe the threat presented by radical Islam, I quote chapter and verse from the Koran and authoritative classical Islamic sources. When I describe the worldwide campaign of Islamist hate indoctrination against the West, and the mind-numbing mass violence committed and glorified by radical Islamists, I am relaying facts that have been published by print and electronic media outlets all over the world. Do some of the facts about Islamist supremism manifest hatefulness? Certainly. However, it's not my fault that the truth about Islamist supremacist teachings and edicts is that they promote hate. I wish they didn't. But wishing doesn't make it so (contrary to the belief of the *New York Times*). The Koran explicitly tells Muslims to hate (terrorize, subdue, oppress, and slaughter) the unbeliever until Islam is supreme in the world: Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: 'I am with you. Give firmness to the Believers. I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.' (Koran 8:12) The Koran explicitly preaches that Christians and Jews are descended from monkeys and apes.* * In the more than 13 centuries since the emergence of Islam, this strict Islamic dogma has never been abrogated, amended or ameliorated. It is the Koran that is guilty of hate speech. * *I merely am the messenger exposing this hate. Which brings us to Islamophobia and radical Islamophobes. According to the dictionary, the suffix -phobe comes from the Latin *phobos*, which means* *fearing. Do I fear radical Islam? You bet. Do any of these locales ring a bell? London subways. Madrid train stations. Bali night clubs. Beslan elementary school. They are all locations of horrendous terrorist atrocities committed by radical Islamists, with scores of civilian fatalities and hundreds maimed. I can name hundreds of other locales, from all over the world. If fearing radical Islamist terror makes me an Islamophobe, then I am an Islamophobe in its healthiest manifestation. In light of recent history, I submit that it would be (at best) foolhardy to be otherwise. Things get a little more complicated when we get to Islamophobia. The dictionary defines a phobia as an exaggerated, usually inexplicable and illogica*l* fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation. Anyone who thinks that my fear of radical Islam is exaggerated, inexplicable and/or illogical is invited to take the world terrorism tour referred to in the preceding paragraph, or read my two books, which I submit as evidence from a personal and factual level. If exaggeration or illogic are required elements in the definition, then my fear of radical Islam is NOT Islamophobia. If that was not sufficiently complicated, when used as a suffix -phobia can include intolerance or aversion for the object of the phobia.* *Am I intolerant of mass murder, justified and glorified in the name of Allah? Yes, I am. Do I have an aversion to subway and train bombings? Yes, I do. According to that definition, my fear of radical Islam would be Islamophobia. However, if my intolerance of mass murder and my aversion to nightclub bombings makes me a Islamophobe, then I submit that my so-called Islamophobia is fully justified and logical and therefore not a phobia in the usual sense of the word. The next question must be: what distinguishes a radical Islamophobe from a run-of-the-mill Islamophobe? Perhaps they should be distinguished by how their Islamphobia affects their behavior. My Islamophobia motivates me to stand up and speak out about the threat of radical Islam. My
Secularism Is Foreign to Islam
From: *Travis* Date: Fri, Sep 26, 2008 Subject: Secularism Is Foreign to Islam http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/25396 Peter Johnston http://www.yaledailynews.com/authors/view/144 Tilting at Windmills Published Friday, September 26, 2008 Recent debate in these pages concerning the nature of secularism reflects a fundamental uncertainty within the Christian intellectual tradition. Though modern Christians are often wary of a secularism that precludes religious discourse in the public sphere, it cannot be denied that the *developmenthttp://www.yaledailynews.com/tags/view/Development * of the modern notion of secularism was made possible by the history of Christian theory and practice. The distinction between the City of God and the City of Man laid the foundation for the Catholic Church's cession of temporal power to the emerging European state, which in turn placed limits upon the Church's temporal response to the Reformation. When states used the schism to justify their temporal pursuits, the obvious and effective rejoinder was the doctrine of religious tolerance. Once applied to domestic policy, tolerance gave rise to the separation of church and state. And since the public sphere is not far from the state in a democracy, the separation of church and state naturally gives rise to secularism. Now it may be true, from the point of view of Christianity, that the modern understanding of secularism has taken the distinction between the City of God and the City of Man too far. Thus the continuous debate in America on the proper role of *religionhttp://www.yaledailynews.com/tags/view/Religion * in the public sphere. But at the very least, Christians have a history that requires them to grapple with secularism as something of their own kin. Secularism cannot be completely rejected as other, as an imposition of a rival faith. The situation is much different for Muslims. Islamic theory describes a proper ordering of the civil community. Secularism is as foreign to Islamic theory as is Sharia law to Americans. Thus it was surprising when Prime Minister Blair, at his talk last weekend, suggested a parallel between tensions relating to Ireland in Great Britain and the tensions in the Middle East. Tensions in the Middle East are only partially caused by internal sectarian conflict. They are also caused, and perhaps to a much larger extent, by the prospect of globalization. Globalization does not simply mean the development of third-world countries, the spread of efficient communication and transportation systems, or the increasing mobility of capital. Rather, globalization also entails the progress of Western ideals, secularism foremost among them. While it is possible, therefore, that globalization will strengthen Christian faith, it is not possible for it to strengthen Muslim faith. The anxiety of the Middle East in general, and of Islamic terrorism in particular, is thus placed in sharp relief. Since the West and the Islamic world cannot communicate on the same terms, globalization seems to foreshadow a clash of civilizations. While some advocates of globalization distract themselves from this truth, heralding only the economic benefits of globalization, others embrace it with gusto, advocating the triumph of Western ideals through pitched battle — whether military, economic or diplomatic — on the world stage. American public discourse is dominated by a debate between these two forces. Perhaps this debate obscures another plausible position — the desire to avoid a clash of civilizations. Certainly, Christians who are wary of secularism because it tends to limit religious discourse in the public sphere ought to worry. For the clash of civilizations is not a reasoned debate. It represent the final wages of secularism and the end of the belief that discourse can give rise to truth that matters in human lives. __._,_.___ Messageshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/grendelreport/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZTU4a3FlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNtc2dzBHN0aW1lAzEyMjI0MzIxODA- [image: Yahoo! Groups]http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlOXRsbXJ2BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTIyMjQzMjE4MA-- Change settings via the Webhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/grendelreport/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJna2xzdTg4BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNzdG5ncwRzdGltZQMxMjIyNDMyMTgw(Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest[EMAIL PROTECTED]:+Digest| Switch format to Traditional[EMAIL PROTECTED]:+Traditional Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grendelreport;_ylc=X3oDMTJlY2xwazgzBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTIyMjQzMjE4MA--| Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/| Unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recent Activity - 1 New
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From: *Travis* Date: Fri, Sep 26, 2008 Subject: Barack Obama and Slavery http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_slavery.html September 26, 2008 Barack Obama and Slavery*By* *Bill Warner*http://www.americanthinker.com/bill_warner/ Slavery still stalks the American consciousness, its wounds yet festering in many hearts. If Barack Obama were to set his mind to it, he could heal much of the damage this peculiar institution wrought on our national soul. This great and tragic error that must be given justice. Obama is the best person in the world who can recognize, remember and honor the deaths of 125 million and the enslavement of tens of millions of people. His unique qualifications can be found in his names. Until he was 20 years old, he went by the first name Barry. Then he decided to be called Barack Hussein Obama, his original birth name. Many people seem to the names Barack and Obama are African names. They are not. Baraq [Barack] was the name of the winged horse-like creature that took Mohammed to Paradise in the Night Journey. Baraq can also mean God's blessing. Obama is Swahili for Osama, who was one of Mohammed's chief warriors. Osama also means lion. Hussein reminds some Americans of Saddam Hussein, and Obama's supporters get upset if it is used. Hussein was the name of Mohammed's grandson. So Obama's entire name is based upon Islamic mythology and African conquest. Barack Hussein Obama means [Allah's blessing] [Mohammed's grandson] [One of Mohammed's finest warriors]. Obama's name reveals a part of history that is unknown or hidden about America, Africa and slavery. It also reveals a history of the destruction of native African civilization. His name came from his father, a so-called Arab African. The word Arab is the clue to the hidden history. Kafirs (non-Muslims) rarely refer to Islam, but call it by an ethnic name whenever they can. When Islam conquered the Middle East, the conquerors were not called Muslims, but Arabs. In Eastern Europe the Muslim invaders were called Turks. In Spain conquering Muslims were referred to as Moors. Thus it is that the Islamic culture in Africa, Arab African, is referred to with an ethnic name, Arab Africans, like Obama's father, are Muslims who leave behind their African culture and adopt the Arab culture. The Arab African Muslim has always been associated with slavery because Islam is the driving force in the history of world slavery. Islam's connection with slavery starts with Mohammed. The exact details of how slaves are taken are described in detail in the Sira, Mohammed's biography. The Sira is a sacred text since it relates Mohammed's words and deeds, called the Sunna. Everything he did is the perfect pattern of behavior for all Muslims. Mohammed was involved in every single aspect and detail of slavery. He bought and sold slaves both retail and wholesale. He gave them as gifts, used them for sex, received them as gifts, stood by as slaves were beaten, attacked. He enslaved tribes, and owned black slaves. Indeed, his rise to political success was financed, in part, by the profit of his slave trade. So the sacred pattern of Mohammed and Islam is the enslavement of non-Muslims, kafirs. For 1400 years Islam has enslaved all races and cultures including Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Zoroastrians, animists, and atheists. Only Muslims are free of being enslaved. *What Obama could do* Obama could tell us that there is only one way to understand Africa and slavery and that is to understand political Islam. For 1400 years Islam has steadily been at work in Africa. The easiest place for Americans to see Islam's annihilation of kafir civilization is in North Africa and Egypt. Egypt used to be a Christian and Coptic (the descendants of the Pharaohs) country. North Africa was a Greek and Christian culture, and at one time a part of the Roman Empire. The first Islamic assault on African culture was the jihad that annihilated Coptic Egyptian culture and Greek culture in Northern Africa. Today these areas are Arabic and Islamic. That was just the thin end of the jihad wedge. Over the next 1400 years, Islam took approximately 25 million slaves out of Africa. An Arabic word for African is *abd*, the same word that is used for black slave. Arabic has about 40 words for slaves. White slaves are *mamluk*. Islam took more than a million European slaves into slavery. The highest priced slave in the Meccan slave market was a white woman. There is great deal of collateral damage when a slave is taken. A warring party attacks a tribe and when enough of the protectors are killed, the rest will surrender and become slaves. All of those who were strong enough to work were taken away in a forced march for days. But there are many who are left behind -- the young, the old, and the sick and injured. Estimates vary, but from 5 to 10 people left behind died as the result of taking one slave. So for 25 million slaves, we have the deaths of 125
Drop in Violent Crime Could Be Linked to Illegals Leaving
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Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008
Subject: Drop in Violent Crime Could Be Linked to Illegals Leaving
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Drop in Violent Crime Could Be Linked to Illegals Leaving
It's a direct correlation, said Rep. Russell Pearce.
Monday, September 22, 2008
The latest FBI crime reports show an overall decrease in violent crime
around the Phoenix area in 2007 and some observers believe it's the result
of illegal aliens leaving Arizona for other states, like Texas.
Based on data from 18 jurisdictions in metro Phoenix, violent crimes and
property crimes both decreased 0.3 percent.
The city of Phoenix saw the same decrease in total crimes as the overall
area, with a 0.3 percent decrease in total violent crimes and a 0.3 percent
decrease in total property crimes.
Texas had over 1,000 more violent crimes, while violent crimes in Arizona
dropped by over 750. Some attribute the drop to Arizona's Employer
Sanction's Law. The bill's author, State Rep. Russell Pearce, said the
numbers don't surprise him.
It's a direct correlation, said Pearce. As our numbers decrease in the
area of illegal aliens, you will see the violent crime rate decrease.
The only community in the state that showed an increase in violent crime was
Mesa. Rep. Pearce thinks that is due to the reluctance of Police Chief
Gascon to enforce immigration laws.
We have a police chief who has ignored his responsibilities to do his job,
said Pierce.
The FBI says Paradise Valley had the greatest decrease in total violent
crimes of any metro Phoenix jurisdiction - down 50 percent from 2006 to
2007. The jurisdiction did see a 3.2 percent increase in total property
crimes.
About half of the Phoenix-area jurisdictions included in the data saw an
increase in reported crime from 2006 to 2007.
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Re: Three held as Mohammed book publisher set ablaze
Here is a pic of allah looking down on them.
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Police arrested three men on Saturday in connection with a fire at the
offices of the publisher of a book about the Prophet Mohammed and his
child bride.
The men, aged 22, 30 and 40, were arrested in north London under anti-
terrorism legislation after the fire on Saturday morning at Gibson
Square's offices. Police were also searching four addresses in east
London.
Britain's domestic Press Association news agency said some residents,
whom it did not identify, reported that the incident may have involved
a petrol bomb being pushed through the firm's letterbox.
Gibson Square is responsible for the publication of The Jewel of
Medina -- a fictional account of the Prophet's relationship with his
youngest bride Aisha -- by American author Sherry Jones.
Random House announced last month it had cancelled publication of the
book in the United States because of fears of violence.
The Jewel of Medina was re-released in Serbia earlier this month
after being withdrawn in August under pressure from Islamic leaders.
Martin Rynja, publishing director at Gibson Square, earlier this month
defended the decision to publish the book, saying that in an open
society there has to be open access to literary works, regardless of
fear.
As an independent publishing company, we feel strongly that we should
not be afraid of the consequences of debate, he added.
Gibson Square could not be immediately contacted for comment on
Saturday's fire and subsequent arrests.
The firm is known for having published other controversial books such
as Blowing Up Russia by former KGB agent turned Kremlin critic
Alexander Litvinenko.
Litvinenko died in a London hospital in 2006 from radiation poisoning
which it is thought he ingested through a cup of tea. Russia has
refused to extradite lawmaker and ex-KGB agent Andrei Lugovoi to face
charges in Britain.
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Three held as Mohammed book publisher set ablaze
Police arrested three men on Saturday in connection with a fire at the offices of the publisher of a book about the Prophet Mohammed and his child bride. The men, aged 22, 30 and 40, were arrested in north London under anti- terrorism legislation after the fire on Saturday morning at Gibson Square's offices. Police were also searching four addresses in east London. Britain's domestic Press Association news agency said some residents, whom it did not identify, reported that the incident may have involved a petrol bomb being pushed through the firm's letterbox. Gibson Square is responsible for the publication of The Jewel of Medina -- a fictional account of the Prophet's relationship with his youngest bride Aisha -- by American author Sherry Jones. Random House announced last month it had cancelled publication of the book in the United States because of fears of violence. The Jewel of Medina was re-released in Serbia earlier this month after being withdrawn in August under pressure from Islamic leaders. Martin Rynja, publishing director at Gibson Square, earlier this month defended the decision to publish the book, saying that in an open society there has to be open access to literary works, regardless of fear. As an independent publishing company, we feel strongly that we should not be afraid of the consequences of debate, he added. Gibson Square could not be immediately contacted for comment on Saturday's fire and subsequent arrests. The firm is known for having published other controversial books such as Blowing Up Russia by former KGB agent turned Kremlin critic Alexander Litvinenko. Litvinenko died in a London hospital in 2006 from radiation poisoning which it is thought he ingested through a cup of tea. Russia has refused to extradite lawmaker and ex-KGB agent Andrei Lugovoi to face charges in Britain. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080927204747.vj5srmx9show_article=1 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Barack Obama and Slavery
Travis, There are Muslims in Africa bright-boy, and guess what ? Language and names are a LOT fucking older than Islam. Idiot. On Sep 28, 6:54 am, Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: *Travis* Date: Fri, Sep 26, 2008 Subject: Barack Obama and Slavery http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_slavery.html September 26, 2008 Barack Obama and Slavery*By* *Bill Warner*http://www.americanthinker.com/bill_warner/ Slavery still stalks the American consciousness, its wounds yet festering in many hearts. If Barack Obama were to set his mind to it, he could heal much of the damage this peculiar institution wrought on our national soul. This great and tragic error that must be given justice. Obama is the best person in the world who can recognize, remember and honor the deaths of 125 million and the enslavement of tens of millions of people. His unique qualifications can be found in his names. Until he was 20 years old, he went by the first name Barry. Then he decided to be called Barack Hussein Obama, his original birth name. Many people seem to the names Barack and Obama are African names. They are not. Baraq [Barack] was the name of the winged horse-like creature that took Mohammed to Paradise in the Night Journey. Baraq can also mean God's blessing. Obama is Swahili for Osama, who was one of Mohammed's chief warriors. Osama also means lion. Hussein reminds some Americans of Saddam Hussein, and Obama's supporters get upset if it is used. Hussein was the name of Mohammed's grandson. So Obama's entire name is based upon Islamic mythology and African conquest. Barack Hussein Obama means [Allah's blessing] [Mohammed's grandson] [One of Mohammed's finest warriors]. Obama's name reveals a part of history that is unknown or hidden about America, Africa and slavery. It also reveals a history of the destruction of native African civilization. His name came from his father, a so-called Arab African. The word Arab is the clue to the hidden history. Kafirs (non-Muslims) rarely refer to Islam, but call it by an ethnic name whenever they can. When Islam conquered the Middle East, the conquerors were not called Muslims, but Arabs. In Eastern Europe the Muslim invaders were called Turks. In Spain conquering Muslims were referred to as Moors. Thus it is that the Islamic culture in Africa, Arab African, is referred to with an ethnic name, Arab Africans, like Obama's father, are Muslims who leave behind their African culture and adopt the Arab culture. The Arab African Muslim has always been associated with slavery because Islam is the driving force in the history of world slavery. Islam's connection with slavery starts with Mohammed. The exact details of how slaves are taken are described in detail in the Sira, Mohammed's biography. The Sira is a sacred text since it relates Mohammed's words and deeds, called the Sunna. Everything he did is the perfect pattern of behavior for all Muslims. Mohammed was involved in every single aspect and detail of slavery. He bought and sold slaves both retail and wholesale. He gave them as gifts, used them for sex, received them as gifts, stood by as slaves were beaten, attacked. He enslaved tribes, and owned black slaves. Indeed, his rise to political success was financed, in part, by the profit of his slave trade. So the sacred pattern of Mohammed and Islam is the enslavement of non-Muslims, kafirs. For 1400 years Islam has enslaved all races and cultures including Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Zoroastrians, animists, and atheists. Only Muslims are free of being enslaved. *What Obama could do* Obama could tell us that there is only one way to understand Africa and slavery and that is to understand political Islam. For 1400 years Islam has steadily been at work in Africa. The easiest place for Americans to see Islam's annihilation of kafir civilization is in North Africa and Egypt. Egypt used to be a Christian and Coptic (the descendants of the Pharaohs) country. North Africa was a Greek and Christian culture, and at one time a part of the Roman Empire. The first Islamic assault on African culture was the jihad that annihilated Coptic Egyptian culture and Greek culture in Northern Africa. Today these areas are Arabic and Islamic. That was just the thin end of the jihad wedge. Over the next 1400 years, Islam took approximately 25 million slaves out of Africa. An Arabic word for African is *abd*, the same word that is used for black slave. Arabic has about 40 words for slaves. White slaves are *mamluk*. Islam took more than a million European slaves into slavery. The highest priced slave in the Meccan slave market was a white woman. There is great deal of collateral damage when a slave is taken. A warring party attacks a tribe and when enough of the protectors are killed, the rest will surrender and become slaves. All of those who were strong enough to work were taken away in a
A simple question.
Can anyone name a single politician that can be described as an expert on socio-economics and an intellectual, committed to the advancement of the working people of the United States and a staunch defender of habeas corpus? Can anyone name a single politician that has written any serious works on political-economy, evolutionary democracy or on the history of man and society? Anything at all that would suggest that all politicians are anything other than self-interested careerists? How can the most powerful country in the world have an illiterate leader that has no clue as to what is happening in the country he is supposed to be leading? These are simple questions, with simple answers. No. No and a travesty for all humanity. Any argument to the contrary? I thought not. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
SNL Sarah Palin's Interview with Katie Couric
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December 3, 2000-America in the Grip of Bush's 'Iron Triangle' The network of big business interests that is now waiting to reap its rewards from an administration that may stand for little but reve
Published on Sunday, December 3, 2000 in the Observer of London America in the Grip of Bush's 'Iron Triangle' ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_triangle ) The network of big business interests that is now waiting to reap its rewards from an administration that may stand for little but revenge and greed by Ed Vulliamy @ http://www.commondreams.org/views/120300-106.htm The ominous joke in Washington is that George W. Bush is learning how to pronounce the word 'inaugural'. The city that has for eight years filled its cappuccino bars with the staff of a reforming presidency is bracing itself for change: an influx of Texan Stetsons and Cuban heels - and a politics stamped with a familiar brand name, the Bush family. 'It will be,' says one senior White House aide, 'the restoration of the aristocracy, motivated by revenge and greed.' The Bush Transition Office has just opened across the River Potomac from the leafy, liberal streets of Georgetown in McClean, Virginia, where heavy-hitting lobbies of the conservative Right fill the phone directory. From here, where workers are rewiring to make way for more phone lines, Bush's presidency-in-waiting will take shape, even though the election result remains contested. The question the capital is asking is the one posed by White House communications director Sidney Blumenthal on Friday: 'If Bush wins, who is the President?' That is a question more and more Americans are raising as Bush's grip on the White House strengthens by the day. Just what does 'Dubya' stand for? The answer seems to be: not much. The more you look at Bush the less you see. For every clue as to what kind of President he would make, there is a question; for every pattern, a glitch. The clues are among the entourage, either packing for Washington or else already here, planning the next four years while Bush bides his time - relaxing, apparently - at his ranch. If there was ever a President defined by his donors and patrons, it is Bush. Like a player in a baroque allegorical drama, he is not really a person, more a personification of interests. They come from three overlapping spheres of influence: his father's ancien régime , the clique of political operatives with which 'Dubya' has governed the nation's second biggest state, and - most formidably - business interests behind the Republican Party that have waited eight long Clinton years for this moment. For all of them, another Bush administration is payback time. A network controlled by George Bush Snr first opened the floodgates for the funds that bought 'W' the election. 'The old man's network,' says Bush's cousin, John Ellis, 'is probably 50,000 people, and I think they were looking for some kind of vindication. I don't think you can possibly overrate the hatred of Bill Clinton in the Republican Party'. The old guard falls into two categories. The privy council of the last Bush administration is led by Dick Cheney, getting down to the unfinished business of 1992 while 'Dubya' is out of town. It includes General Colin Powell, former Secretary of State James Baker, Pentagon official Paul Wolfowitz and National Security aide Condoleeza Rice. From his father's domestic team, Bush has former Federal Reserve appointee Lawrence Summers, and faithful soldier Andrew Card to be his Chief of Staff - of whom one aide said: 'At least he's not a Texan.' Then there is the overlapping circle of investors and corporate barons made rich by Bush's father, collected into the Carlyle Group, a cabalistic, Washington-based merchant bank chaired by Ronald Reagan's former Pentagon chief, Frank Carlucci. Carlyle is a financial club for Bush Snr's intimate circle and can expect to enjoy political clout in the White House. Bush Snr is one of the bank's paid emissaries. Among the partners are his economic adviser Richard Darman and Dubya's front man in Florida, James Baker (Bush Jnr has his own connections with Carlyle). From this ancien régime comes talk of bipartisanship, conciliatory gestures to a riven nation and Congress, and even recruitment of pro- Bush Democrats into the Cabinet. But behind the figureheads are other faces - the hardline Texan managers of the most disciplined and lavishly funded political campaign in recent history. And behind them are the real power brokers, hands to guide the White House from within the world of business and industry with whom Bush has worked for years, who wield awesome power in American society and owe no debt to compromise. In the capital, the point man works both on stage and behind the scenes. When the Supreme Court convened on Friday, Bush was represented by Theodore Olson, a high-profile attorney and former partner of Kenneth Starr. But, backstage, Olson is the Washingtonian who has kept the right-wing candle burning on the capital's dining circuit during the Clinton years, along with his socialite wife, Barbara. It is intriguing that Bush should have appointed the man who accepted some $2.4 million from
Re: Obama Wants NRA Ads Banned
Shows they are running scared. typical libtard twits.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 7:01 AM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Obama camp has been threatening television and radio stations to
keep them from airing anti-Obama ads.
The latest target is the NRA and stations in Pennsylvania.
Earlier this week, the National Rifle Association's Political Victory
Fund released a series of radio and television spots to educate gun
owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama's longstanding anti-gun
record. In response to the NRA-PVF ads, a clearly panicked Obama
campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) are doing
everything they can to hide Obama's real record by mounting a
coordinated assault on the First Amendment.
They have gone to desperate and outrageous lengths to try to silence
your NRA by bullying media outlets with threats of lawsuits if they
run NRA-PVF's ads.
The Obama camp is particularly angry with an NRA ad entitled Hunter
which lays out Obama's record on gun control.
Other NRA ads include Way of Life and another focusing on Joe
Biden's record, Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama.
This week, Obama's campaign general counsel Bob Barr wrote to stations
in Pennsylvania seeking to censor the ads.
Unlike federal candidates, independent political organizations do not
have a 'right to command the use of broadcast facilities,' Bauer
writes. Moreover, you have a duty 'to protect the public from false,
misleading or deceptive advertising.'
This advertising is false, misleading, and deceptive, Bauer
continued. We request that you immediately cease airing this
advertising.
The NRA says Obama's camp are sending out these intimidating cease
and desist letters to cable operators and television stations,
threatening their FCC licenses if they run the ads.
The NRA charged that Obama and the DNC have been using strong-arm
tactics reminiscent of Chicago machine politics to try and cover up
the truth and silence NRA by forcing the stations to assist them in
hiding Obama's radical anti-gun record.
And now, Obama and the DNC have opened a new front in their assault on
your First Amendment rights by calling on their followers to contact
these station managers to demand that the stations not run NRA-PVF's
ads.
NRA stands behind the accuracy of these ads, and NRA attorneys have
responded to the Obama campaign's despicable and abusive attempt to
trample on the First Amendment by sending a thorough rebuttal to
station managers. This rebuttal clearly and conclusively refutes the
Obama campaign's fallacious claims that the ads are inaccurate.
http://www.newsmax.com/politics/Obama_Wants_NRA_Ads_Banne/2008/09/27/135118.html
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Re: Nancy Pelosi Thanks Herself For Saving America
Bet the Ben-Gay stock goes up tomorrow.
Did they forget to thank Jesus?
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 2:36 AM, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Clowns In The Cockpit: Herbert Meyer (true...and scary)
From: Travis Subject: Clowns In The Cockpit: Herbert Meyer (true...and scary) Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, *http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/clowns_in_the_cockpit.html* September 27, 2008 Return to the Articlehttp://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/clowns_in_the_cockpit.html Clowns in the Cockpit *By* *Herbert E. Meyer*http://www.americanthinker.com/herbert_e_meyer/ As you've probably noticed by now, the twenty-first century has gotten off to a rocky start. In 2001, on September 11, we were attacked. And now our country's financial system is collapsing. This makes for two unimaginable events within a decade. How could 19 hijackers succeed against the world's greatest military power? And how could history's strongest and most productive economy seize up virtually overnight? Of course, there are complicated and highly technical explanations for each of these disasters. Some books have already been written about the causes of 9-11, and others are sure to come along in the years and decades ahead. No doubt publishers are already signing contracts for books about how today's financial meltdown happened. But if you put both unimaginable events together, you'll see something that the experts won't ever see -- or won't say out loud because it sounds too simplistic and unsophisticated. Let me use an analogy to illuminate the common thread - what liberals would call the root cause -- that runs through both these unimaginable events: Most of us fly from time to time, and the airplanes that carry us around the country, and the world, are marvelous pieces of equipment. Today's jetliners are the products of centuries of science, technology, business acumen and financial prowess. They are big, powerful -- and remarkably safe; the back-up systems have back-up systems. *The Pilots Pay Attention* These jetliners are also complicated pieces of equipment, which is why the pilots who fly them are not only technically competent but intellectually capable of concentrating on doing their jobs well. These pilots aren't sitting in the cockpit working on *The New York Times *crossword puzzle, or playing music on their *iPods*, or fooling around with the flight attendants. They are paying absolute, total attention to bringing their plane and its passengers safely to their destinations. If they see the plane drifting just one degree off course, or if they see the oil pressure in an engine dropping even slightly, they deal swiftly and effectively with this very minor problem before it becomes a major problem -- or perhaps a problem too big to resolve without catastrophe. It's hard work, and this is why pilots are exhausted even after an uneventful flight. A modern country is like a jetliner. It's the product of centuries of human development, and it's a marvelous piece of equipment. In a sense, even the back-up systems have back-up systems. But a modern country is also a very complicated piece of equipment. Managing it successfully -- in other words, bringing its citizens safely into the future -- takes both technical competence and, perhaps even more important, intense concentration. You've got to spot little problems quickly, then deal with them effectively before they become too big to deal with. Read the U.S. constitution, and you'll see that our country's cockpit isn't the White House; it's Congress. It's the Congress, not the President, which controls the money by raising taxes and enacting the federal budget. It's the Congress that makes our laws and oversees the executive departments and agencies that implement these laws and write the regulations that support them. My fellow Americans: We've been putting clowns in the cockpit. I don't mean this to be rude -- and I certainly don't mean this to be partisan -- but isn't it obvious that most of the people we've elected to the House and Senate haven't got the technical knowledge and the intellectual firepower to guide our country safely through the turbulent skies? And isn't it obvious that most of these preening buffoons spend nearly all their time lining their own pockets, showboating, raising money for their re-elections or running for higher offices -- in short, concentrating their energies and attention on everything *except *doing the jobs for which we've elected them? Of course there are exceptions in both political parties. Every so often, you're watching some television news talk show and suddenly there's a member of Congress on camera you've never heard of before who actually knows what he or she is talking about. But the blond news anchorette with teeth like Chiclets keeps interrupting -- and by the time your spouse comes running into the room to see what you're shouting about the interview is over even before you've gotten the House or Senate member's name. And chances are you'll never see this splendid lawmaker on television again. There just aren't enough of these talented and dedicated lawmakers in Congress to get
No driving with an animal in your lap.
From: travis
Date: Sun, Sep 28, 2008
Subject: No driving with an animal in your lap.
Gov. Schwarzenegger of CA has vetoed a bill that would have prohibited
anyone from driving with a pet (animal) in their lap. the bill was
nicknamed the Paris Hilton bill. So I guess it is OK to allow your favorite
Member of Congress to sit in your lap when you are driving as jackasses
count as animals.
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Re: December 3, 2000-America in the Grip of Bush's 'Iron Triangle' The network of big business interests that is now waiting to reap its rewards from an administration that may stand for little but
yawn Doc Holliday wrote: Published on Sunday, December 3, 2000 in the Observer of London America in the Grip of Bush's 'Iron Triangle' ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_triangle ) The network of big business interests that is now waiting to reap its rewards from an administration that may stand for little but revenge and greed by Ed Vulliamy @ http://www.commondreams.org/views/120300-106.htm The ominous joke in Washington is that George W. Bush is learning how to pronounce the word 'inaugural'. The city that has for eight years filled its cappuccino bars with the staff of a reforming presidency is bracing itself for change: an influx of Texan Stetsons and Cuban heels - and a politics stamped with a familiar brand name, the Bush family. 'It will be,' says one senior White House aide, 'the restoration of the aristocracy, motivated by revenge and greed.' The Bush Transition Office has just opened across the River Potomac from the leafy, liberal streets of Georgetown in McClean, Virginia, where heavy-hitting lobbies of the conservative Right fill the phone directory. From here, where workers are rewiring to make way for more phone lines, Bush's presidency-in-waiting will take shape, even though the election result remains contested. The question the capital is asking is the one posed by White House communications director Sidney Blumenthal on Friday: 'If Bush wins, who is the President?' That is a question more and more Americans are raising as Bush's grip on the White House strengthens by the day. Just what does 'Dubya' stand for? The answer seems to be: not much. The more you look at Bush the less you see. For every clue as to what kind of President he would make, there is a question; for every pattern, a glitch. The clues are among the entourage, either packing for Washington or else already here, planning the next four years while Bush bides his time - relaxing, apparently - at his ranch. If there was ever a President defined by his donors and patrons, it is Bush. Like a player in a baroque allegorical drama, he is not really a person, more a personification of interests. They come from three overlapping spheres of influence: his father's ancien r�gime , the clique of political operatives with which 'Dubya' has governed the nation's second biggest state, and - most formidably - business interests behind the Republican Party that have waited eight long Clinton years for this moment. For all of them, another Bush administration is payback time. A network controlled by George Bush Snr first opened the floodgates for the funds that bought 'W' the election. 'The old man's network,' says Bush's cousin, John Ellis, 'is probably 50,000 people, and I think they were looking for some kind of vindication. I don't think you can possibly overrate the hatred of Bill Clinton in the Republican Party'. The old guard falls into two categories. The privy council of the last Bush administration is led by Dick Cheney, getting down to the unfinished business of 1992 while 'Dubya' is out of town. It includes General Colin Powell, former Secretary of State James Baker, Pentagon official Paul Wolfowitz and National Security aide Condoleeza Rice. From his father's domestic team, Bush has former Federal Reserve appointee Lawrence Summers, and faithful soldier Andrew Card to be his Chief of Staff - of whom one aide said: 'At least he's not a Texan.' Then there is the overlapping circle of investors and corporate barons made rich by Bush's father, collected into the Carlyle Group, a cabalistic, Washington-based merchant bank chaired by Ronald Reagan's former Pentagon chief, Frank Carlucci. Carlyle is a financial club for Bush Snr's intimate circle and can expect to enjoy political clout in the White House. Bush Snr is one of the bank's paid emissaries. Among the partners are his economic adviser Richard Darman and Dubya's front man in Florida, James Baker (Bush Jnr has his own connections with Carlyle). From this ancien r�gime comes talk of bipartisanship, conciliatory gestures to a riven nation and Congress, and even recruitment of pro- Bush Democrats into the Cabinet. But behind the figureheads are other faces - the hardline Texan managers of the most disciplined and lavishly funded political campaign in recent history. And behind them are the real power brokers, hands to guide the White House from within the world of business and industry with whom Bush has worked for years, who wield awesome power in American society and owe no debt to compromise. In the capital, the point man works both on stage and behind the scenes. When the Supreme Court convened on Friday, Bush was represented by Theodore Olson, a high-profile attorney and former partner of Kenneth Starr. But, backstage, Olson is the Washingtonian who has kept the right-wing candle burning on the
Bush mass for shut ins for 09-28-08
Bush mass for shut ins is on the air! LIVE FROM THE ST GEORGE THE BLESSED CATHERDRAL IN CRAWFORD TEXAS ITS BUSH MASS FOR SHUT INS! Good morning Bush worshippers, those who are ill and those who it's just best not to mix with society. May Lord God Bush bless you all for coming. For it is he who brought us life and everything else. He is a thousand points of light! He makes the sun rise in the morning, puts the frost on our flakes and puts the fruit on the trees. All praise the glory of Lord God Bush. Today we celebrate Debate. DEBATE CELEBRATION This week was the first debate between good and evil this presidential election. According to the holy Drudge Report, John the Good won with over 70% of the public agreeing, some people were so moved as to vote many many times for John. He should win in a landslide come November. SING PRAISE TO LORD GOD BUSH Are you optimistic bout the way things are going? No, I never ever think of it at all Dont you ever worry When you see whats going down? No, I try to mind my business, that is, no business at all When its time to function as a feeling human being Will your bachelor of arts help you get by? I hope to study further, a few more years or so I also hope to keep a steady high Will you try to change things Use the power that you have, the power of a million new ideas? What is this power you speak of and this need for things to change? I always thought that everything was fine Dont you feel repression just closing in around? No, the campus here is very, very free Dont it make you angry the way war is dragging on? Well, I hope the president knows what hes into, I dont know Dont you ever see the starvation in the city where you live All the needless hunger all the needless pain? I havent been there lately, the country is so fine But my neighbors dont seem hungry cause they havent got the time Thank you for the talk, you know you really eased my mind I was troubled by the shapes of things to come Well, if you had my outlook your feelings would be numb Youd always think that everything was fine We can make it happen We can change the world now We can save the children We can make it better We can make it happen We can save the children We can make it happen A READING FROM THE BOOK OF CHENEY Lord God Bush smirked down upon the people and spoke. `John the Good will be my successor. Those who disagree with this are America haters!'. What is it that the Profit Cheney is trying to teach us? It is that John the Good shall be Lord God Bushs successor. Those who question this are America haters. This the word of George. Bush mass is over Your attendance has been recorded and will be sent to the proper authorities. Go in arrogance, may the Lord God George W Bush be with you. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Obama Wants NRA Ads Banned
kinda reminds ya of the gestapo, doesn't it.
Travis wrote:
Shows they are running scared. typical libtard twits.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 7:01 AM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Obama camp has been threatening television and radio stations to
keep them from airing anti-Obama ads.
The latest target is the NRA and stations in Pennsylvania.
Earlier this week, the National Rifle Association's Political Victory
Fund released a series of radio and television spots to educate gun
owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama's longstanding anti-gun
record. In response to the NRA-PVF ads, a clearly panicked Obama
campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) are doing
everything they can to hide Obama's real record by mounting a
coordinated assault on the First Amendment.
They have gone to desperate and outrageous lengths to try to silence
your NRA by bullying media outlets with threats of lawsuits if they
run NRA-PVF's ads.
The Obama camp is particularly angry with an NRA ad entitled Hunter
which lays out Obama's record on gun control.
Other NRA ads include Way of Life and another focusing on Joe
Biden's record, Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama.
This week, Obama's campaign general counsel Bob Barr wrote to stations
in Pennsylvania seeking to censor the ads.
Unlike federal candidates, independent political organizations do not
have a 'right to command the use of broadcast facilities,' Bauer
writes. Moreover, you have a duty 'to protect the public from false,
misleading or deceptive advertising.'
This advertising is false, misleading, and deceptive, Bauer
continued. We request that you immediately cease airing this
advertising.
The NRA says Obama's camp are sending out these intimidating cease
and desist letters to cable operators and television stations,
threatening their FCC licenses if they run the ads.
The NRA charged that Obama and the DNC have been using strong-arm
tactics reminiscent of Chicago machine politics to try and cover up
the truth and silence NRA by forcing the stations to assist them in
hiding Obama's radical anti-gun record.
And now, Obama and the DNC have opened a new front in their assault on
your First Amendment rights by calling on their followers to contact
these station managers to demand that the stations not run NRA-PVF's
ads.
NRA stands behind the accuracy of these ads, and NRA attorneys have
responded to the Obama campaign's despicable and abusive attempt to
trample on the First Amendment by sending a thorough rebuttal to
station managers. This rebuttal clearly and conclusively refutes the
Obama campaign's fallacious claims that the ads are inaccurate.
http://www.newsmax.com/politics/Obama_Wants_NRA_Ads_Banne/2008/09/27/135118.html
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Re: Palin should step down, conservative commentator says
Regardless of what we will find, the United States is in the position to vote for someone who is worst than Bush. There are many people who look at Palin and find that she is wonderful and fully capable to lead the United States. It is also clear to many in the world that the United States voter is prepared to overlook all of the negative traits of a McCain/Palin ticket and give them a landslide election result. The main reason being that an intelligent Black man does not fit into the picture that white America has of how the USA should be ruled. Bush was and remains a fool. McCain is proud that he was five places away from being the last in his class at the Naval Academy. People, Americans looked at Obama and his church and raised the roof. Now we seen Palin in her church being freed of witches by an African minister iin YouTube. The question is what comes next?? On Sep 27, 11:38 am, mike532 [ Republicans for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :o-] On Sep 27, 4:40 am, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read this earlier. It might be a hopeful sign that Palin is out of her league- look at the league! On Sep 27, 3:28 am, mike532 [ Republicans for Obama ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Palin should step down, conservative commentator sayshttp://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/26/palin-should-step-dow (CNN) – Prominent conservative columnist Kathleen Parker, an early supporter of Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin, said Friday recent interviews have shown the Alaska governor is out of her league and should leave the GOP presidential ticket for the good of the party. The criticism in Parker's Friday column is the latest in a recent string of negative assessments toward the McCain-Palin candidacy from prominent conservatives. It was fun while it lasted, Parker writes. Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who is clearly out of her league. Palin's interview with Couric drew criticism when the Alaska governor was unable to provide an example of when John McCain had pushed for more regulation of Wall Street during his Senate career. Palin also took heat for defending her foreign policy credentials by suggesting Russian leaders enter Alaska airspace when they come to America. Palin was also criticized last week for appearing not to know what the Bush Doctrine is during an interview with Charlie Gibson. “If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself, Parker also writes. If Palin were a man, we’d all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she’s a woman — and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket — we are reluctant to say what is painfully true. Parker, who praised McCain's keen judgment for picking Palin earlier this month and wrote the Alaska governor is a perfect storm of God, Mom and apple pie, now says Palin should step down from the ticket. “Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves, Parker writes. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first. Do it for your country. Parker's comments follow those by prominent conservatives David Brooks, George Will, and David Frum who have all publicly questioned Palin's readiness to be vice president. Sarah Palin has many virtues, Brooks wrote in a recent column. If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she'd be your woman. But the constructive act of governance is another matter. She has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness. Filed under: Sarah Palin- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Major Economists Against Paulson Bailout Plan
The bail out has already failed. Hundreds of billions have already been poured in the US banking system and what have been the results? Acquisitions Bear Stearns by JPMorgan Chase Countrywide Financial by the Bank of America Merrill Lynch by the Bank of America American International Group by the US federal government Lehman Brothers by Barclays plc Washington Mutual by JPMorgan Chase Lehman BrothersC by Nomura Holdings Bankrupt, filed for bankruptcy protection, or closed and received by the FDIC Company Metropolitan Savings Bank, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania NetBank, Alpharetta, Georgia Miami Valley Bank, Lakeview, Ohio Douglass National Bank, Kansas City, Missouri Hume Bank, Hume, Missouri ANB Financial, Bentonville, Arkansas First Integrity Bank, Staples, Minnesota IndyMac Bank, Pasadena, California First National Bank of Nevada, Reno, Nevada; First Heritage Bank, Newport Beach, California First Priority Bank, Bradenton, Florida The Columbian Bank and Trust Company, Topeka, Kansas Integrity Bank, Alpharetta, Georgia Silver State Bank, Henderson, Nevada Lehman Brothers AmeriBank, Northfork, West Virginia Washington Mutual The only difference the bailout makes is that Paulson can raid the Federal bank, precluding the necessity of having to go through congress every time a Bank needs bailing out. This practise of throwing money at the banks has already proved to be futile, but that won’t stop them throwing good tax payers money after bad to rescue the interests of the ruling plutocracy On Sep 28, 2:46 pm, RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We know that Republican Congressman Ron Paul is encouraging his supporters to call all of their congressional men and women to demand they DON'T vote for this bailout plan, drafted by super-rich Henry Paulson II, former CEO of Goldman Sachs and reportedly worth over $700 million in personal net worth. Pat Buchanon has also voiced his opposition to the bailout. And reportedly many of America's top economists think this bailout could make the situation worseinstead of better. Here's a link to a letter from dozens of our top economists to the US Congress urging them to go slow on any such bailout plan, with thorough discussion of all possible plans and ideas before taking any action, and maybe not take any action at all, despite Bush and McCain's attempts to quickly ram this crazy treason through the Congress with no one bothering or given time to even read the bill. Seehttp://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20873.htm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Six Overlooked Minor Problems That Are Crippling The Banking System
A Report to the Banking Committees of the House and the Senate Written in 10th-grade English. From Martin and Gladys Carbone / 5123 Don Rodolfo Drive / Carlsbad, CA 92010 / Tel: 760-603-1910 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: http//www.alphabeticalist.com / blog: http://moneykaboom.blogspot.com Saturday, September 13, 2008 We plan to hand-deliver this report to every member of both Congressional Banking Committees -- sometime in May of ‘09. Your advice is requested. Help us refine our thinking. Six Overlooked Minor Problems That Are Crippling The Banking System ... and ... The Simple Legislative Action Congress Can Take To Solve Those Problems. Problem #1: A Belief That An Increase In The Money Supply Will Always Lead To Inflation Problem #2: Banks Do Not Suffer When They Make Bad Loans Problem #3: The Government Does Not Use Double-Entry Bookkeeping Problem #4: Contract Laws Are Not Routinely Applied To Monetary Transactions Problem #5: The People of “We The People” Are Not Encouraged To Start Banks Problem #6: The American Public Does Not Understand (a) Our Money System And (b) Fractional Reserve Banking These six problems look rather trivial at first glance, but it is our belief that they are crucially important: remember -- “for want of a nail, a kingdom was lost”. -- Problem #1: A Belief That An Increase In The Money Supply Will Always Lead To Inflation Discussion: Lots of people have a deep-rooted belief that a significant increase in the money supply will always lead to inflation -- which is a devaluation of money. We think that is nonsense. If the newly created money is put into the system in such a way as to increase wealth (those things that we value and which lead to a better average life) -- the added money will not be inflationary. Actions Needed: (1) Laws should be passed that will specify banks will primarily lend money to people and corporations who have (a) adequate colateral and (b) a good plan to create wealth with that money. (2) The Government should directly invest money in wealth producing national projects and related infrastructure under bids by existing companies, organizations and people. Problem #2: Banks Do Not Suffer When They Make Bad Loans Discussion: The “fractional reserve system” is often seen as being the main source of economic problems, because it “(a) creates debt-money out of thin air, (b) leads to an unhealthy increase in the money supply and (c), inevitably, inflation”. I believe these three negatives are always the result of (1) risky lending and (2) a lack of natural “Carrot Stick” controls that guarantee banks suffer when their loans go bad. Under the present system -- the banks sell off most of their loans (to Freddy and Fannie) and escape what should be the bank’s loss when loans go bad. They take the Carrot -- but avoid the Stick. That can easily be corrected by laws which forbid the selling-off of loans by the creator of those loans. The enormous natural downside leverage of fractional reserve banking will the insure that banks make reasonably safe loans. See a separate one-page report on the leverage built into competitive fractional reserve banking. Action Needed: Laws should be passed that will mandate banks must not transfer ownership of the loans they create before the loan is paid back. The borrowers should know that they will deal with the known lender for the life of the loan. This wil stop bundling of loans into exotic debt instruments that nobody understands. It will also obviate the need for Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae. Problem #3: The Government Does Not Use Double-Entry Bookkeeping Discussion: The government should change to a double-entry bookkeeping system wherein all transactions involve (1) assets, (2) liabilities , (3) income and (4) expense. Such a system is universally recognized as being the only way to keep track of the financial status of any enterprise. The main advantage of doing this is that government “spending” on worthwhile infrastructure would not immediately be considered an “expense”. The money spent in this way would go into an “asset” account that would be counted as an expense in accordance with a dedicated depreciation schedule. Action Needed: Laws should be passed that will mandate double-entry bookkeeping on all monetary transactions. Problem #4: Contract Laws Are Not Routinely Applied To Monetary Transactions Discussion: All monetary transactions should be considered contracts and should be analyzed in terms of contract law. Reasons and expected results follow. (a) Contracts have a long legal history in English Common Law and an extraordinary written record in our law books -- both statutes and case law. (b) Definitions for all words and principles used in contract law are well established in law books. (c) If we establish that all paper money is essentially a
Re: Barack Obama and Slavery
I have always believe he is a closet muslim. a wolf in black sheep's clothing. Hollywood wrote: Travis, There are Muslims in Africa bright-boy, and guess what ? Language and names are a LOT fucking older than Islam. Idiot. On Sep 28, 6:54�am, Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: *Travis* Date: Fri, Sep 26, 2008 Subject: �Barack Obama and Slavery � �http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_slavery.html September 26, 2008 Barack Obama and Slavery*By* *Bill Warner*http://www.americanthinker.com/bill_warner/ Slavery still stalks the American consciousness, its wounds yet festering in many hearts. If Barack Obama were to set his mind to it, he could heal much of the damage this peculiar institution wrought on our national soul. This great and tragic error that must be given justice. Obama is the best person in the world who can recognize, remember and honor the deaths of 125 million and the enslavement of tens of millions of people. His unique qualifications can be found in his names. Until he was 20 years old, he went by the first name Barry. Then he decided to be called Barack Hussein Obama, his original birth name. Many people seem to the names Barack and Obama are African names. They are not. Baraq [Barack] was the name of the winged horse-like creature that took Mohammed to Paradise in the Night Journey. Baraq can also mean God's blessing. Obama is Swahili for Osama, who was one of Mohammed's chief warriors. Osama also means lion. Hussein reminds some Americans of Saddam Hussein, and Obama's supporters get upset if it is used. Hussein was the name of Mohammed's grandson. So Obama's entire name is based upon Islamic mythology and African conquest. Barack Hussein Obama means [Allah's blessing] [Mohammed's grandson] [One of Mohammed's finest warriors]. Obama's name reveals a part of history that is unknown or hidden about America, Africa and slavery. It also reveals a history of the destruction of native African civilization. His name came from his father, a so-called Arab African. The word Arab is the clue to the hidden history. Kafirs (non-Muslims) rarely refer to Islam, but call it by an ethnic name whenever they can. When Islam conquered the Middle East, the conquerors were not called Muslims, but Arabs. In Eastern Europe the Muslim invaders were called Turks. In Spain conquering Muslims were referred to as Moors. Thus it is that the Islamic culture in Africa, Arab African, is referred to with an ethnic name, Arab Africans, like Obama's father, are Muslims who leave behind their African culture and adopt the Arab culture. The Arab African Muslim has always been associated with slavery because Islam is the driving force in the history of world slavery. Islam's connection with slavery starts with Mohammed. The exact details of how slaves are taken are described in detail in the Sira, Mohammed's biography. The Sira is a sacred text since it relates Mohammed's words and deeds, called the Sunna. Everything he did is the perfect pattern of behavior for all Muslims. Mohammed was involved in every single aspect and detail of slavery. He bought and sold slaves both retail and wholesale. He gave them as gifts, used them for sex, received them as gifts, stood by as slaves were beaten, attacked. He enslaved tribes, and owned black slaves. Indeed, his rise to political success was financed, in part, by the profit of his slave trade. So the sacred pattern of Mohammed and Islam is the enslavement of non-Muslims, kafirs. For 1400 years Islam has enslaved all races and cultures including Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Zoroastrians, animists, and atheists. Only Muslims are free of being enslaved. *What Obama could do* Obama could tell us that there is only one way to understand Africa and slavery and that is to understand political Islam. For 1400 years Islam has steadily been at work in Africa. The easiest place for Americans to see Islam's annihilation of kafir civilization is in North Africa and Egypt. Egypt used to be a Christian and Coptic (the descendants of the Pharaohs) country. North Africa was a Greek and Christian culture, and at one time a part of the Roman Empire. The first Islamic assault on African culture was the jihad that annihilated Coptic Egyptian culture and Greek culture in Northern Africa. Today these areas are Arabic and Islamic. That was just the thin end of the jihad wedge. �Over the next 1400 years, Islam took approximately 25 million slaves out of Africa. An Arabic word for African is *abd*, the same word that is used for black slave. Arabic has about 40 words for slaves. White slaves are *mamluk*. Islam took more than a million European slaves into slavery. The highest priced slave in the Meccan slave market was a white woman. There is great deal of collateral damage when a slave is taken. A
Re: Thank you, Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you! Thank you to my most honorable colleague Harry Reid. Thank you to my esteemed colleague Senator Dodd. Thank you to my honored colleague Mr. Frank.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d.b., I consider the Title of this post to be disruptive. Please delete this Thread... Thank you in advance. Sorry, the thread was intended to be disruptive, not a violation of forum etiquette. We have witnessed a media-generated financial crisis, which has now opened the door to nothing less than a socialist takeover of our economic system. And the preening peacocks, the Marxists, thanking themselves profusely for finally bringing down America. Mark my words, etiquette and tradition pale in comparison to the enormity of what is now happening to our country - that at and in the hands of the very socialist culprits, we are trudging down the path to economic perdition. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SNL Sarah Palin's Interview with Katie Couric
I got amessage saying the video had been removed from youtube because of a copyright claim by NBC. You can watch it at NBC: http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042/ On Sep 28, 8:17 am, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sarah Palin's Interview with Katie Couric http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t-5uJSCBZlQ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moral America
Please read before responding. On Sep 27, 2:49 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 26, 7:25 pm, SgtUSMC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only one president was ever divorced. So now, in your mind Sarge, you can't be President if you have been Divorced? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Obama Wants NRA Ads Banned
http://election.newsmax.com/nra_Hunter.html
The people most against honest citizens owning guns generally are
people who do the stuff that would cause honest citizens with guns to
see them as enemies
On Sep 28, 9:02 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
kinda reminds ya of the gestapo, doesn't it.
Travis wrote:
Shows they are running scared. typical libtard twits.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 7:01 AM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Obama camp has been threatening television and radio stations to
keep them from airing anti-Obama ads.
The latest target is the NRA and stations in Pennsylvania.
Earlier this week, the National Rifle Association's Political Victory
Fund released a series of radio and television spots to educate gun
owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama's longstanding anti-gun
record. In response to the NRA-PVF ads, a clearly panicked Obama
campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) are doing
everything they can to hide Obama's real record by mounting a
coordinated assault on the First Amendment.
They have gone to desperate and outrageous lengths to try to silence
your NRA by bullying media outlets with threats of lawsuits if they
run NRA-PVF's ads.
The Obama camp is particularly angry with an NRA ad entitled Hunter
which lays out Obama's record on gun control.
Other NRA ads include Way of Life and another focusing on Joe
Biden's record, Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama.
This week, Obama's campaign general counsel Bob Barr wrote to stations
in Pennsylvania seeking to censor the ads.
Unlike federal candidates, independent political organizations do not
have a 'right to command the use of broadcast facilities,' Bauer
writes. Moreover, you have a duty 'to protect the public from false,
misleading or deceptive advertising.'
This advertising is false, misleading, and deceptive, Bauer
continued. We request that you immediately cease airing this
advertising.
The NRA says Obama's camp are sending out these intimidating cease
and desist letters to cable operators and television stations,
threatening their FCC licenses if they run the ads.
The NRA charged that Obama and the DNC have been using strong-arm
tactics reminiscent of Chicago machine politics to try and cover up
the truth and silence NRA by forcing the stations to assist them in
hiding Obama's radical anti-gun record.
And now, Obama and the DNC have opened a new front in their assault on
your First Amendment rights by calling on their followers to contact
these station managers to demand that the stations not run NRA-PVF's
ads.
NRA stands behind the accuracy of these ads, and NRA attorneys have
responded to the Obama campaign's despicable and abusive attempt to
trample on the First Amendment by sending a thorough rebuttal to
station managers. This rebuttal clearly and conclusively refutes the
Obama campaign's fallacious claims that the ads are inaccurate.
http://www.newsmax.com/politics/Obama_Wants_NRA_Ads_Banne/2008/09/27/...
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Re: Why wouldn't McCain look at Barack Obama
McCaun doesn't look at anybody. On Sep 28, 9:44�am, glc3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please listen to this weeks Let's Talk Honestly show BKA as LTH WEEKLYhttp://www.letstalkhonestly.com/LTHWEEKLY.html The �First Debate: Why wouldn't McCain look at Barack Obama Obama finally gets tough. The economy: What Barack Obama understands that McCain doesn't Listen to this weeks show herehttp://www.letstalkhonestly.com/LTHWEEKLY.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Obama Wants NRA Ads Banned
http://www.newsmax.com/politics/Obama_Wants_NRA_Ads_Banne/2008/09/27/135118.html Obama wants to muzzle any and all dissent. That's just downright un- American. Where are all you anti-Patriot Act schmucks now? Christ, Bush makes it possible for the FBI to get a warrant to investigate each terrorist rather than each cell phone a terrorist uses - which is the same power the FBI has for going after mafiosi and child molesters - and the left goes bananas. Now, Obama is flagrantly violating and pi$ $ing all over the first amendment, threatening legal action against anyone who might object to anything the messiah preaches, and nobody's saying a word. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Family Asked Obama Not to Wear Son's Bracelet
[Q] - Barack Obama played the “me too” game during the Friday debates on September 26 after Senator John McCain mentioned that he was wearing a bracelet with the name of Cpl. Matthew Stanley, a resident of New Hampshire and a soldier that lost his life in Iraq in 2006. Obama said that he too had a bracelet. After fumbling and straining to remember the name, he revealed that his had the name of Sergeant Ryan David Jopek of Merrill, Wisconsin. Shockingly, however, Madison resident Brian Jopek, the father of Ryan Jopek, the young soldier who tragically lost his life to a roadside bomb in 2006, recently said on a Wisconsin Public Radio show that his family had asked Barack Obama to stop wearing the bracelet with his son’s name on it. Yet Obama continues to do so despite the wishes of the family. - http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/28/family-told-obama-not-wear-soldier-sons-bracelet-where-media --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
AP: My kids have been called nigger babies
MSM throwing the N-word under the bus: [Q] - My kids have been called nigger babies. ... That was from a white family, says Cherlonda Hampton, a black woman shopping at an outdoor mall on 8 Mile Road. - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080928/ap_on_re_us/the_racial_divide And remember, if you don't throw democracy under the bus, you're a racist. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Thank you, Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you! Thank you to my most honorable colleague Harry Reid. Thank you to my esteemed colleague Senator Dodd. Thank you to my honored colleague Mr. Frank. And T
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Obama's Get in their Faces incitement produces results
Iraq War Vet’s Tires Slashed “Soldiers Are Murderers” Spray Painted On Car: [Q] - An Army Reserves sergeant studying at Dallas Baptist University was surprised this week to find the message “soldiers are murderers” spray painted on his Jeep Wrangler. Viktor Whitlow, a junior, had parked his Jeep on the campus at about 2 a.m. Wednesday and returned hours later to find his vehicle’s tires had been flattened, the seats slashed and “soldiers are murderers” spray painted in red across the hood. “It’s disheartening to be honest with you,” he said. “It’s shocking that somebody would write something like that. It just makes me speechless.” Mr. Whitlow, who recently spent two tours in Balad, Iraq, said he has no idea who vandalized his Jeep or why he was targeted. “I actually worked in a medical treatment facility and we actually saved lives instead of taking them,” he said. Dallas Baptist University is a private liberal arts campus in southwestern Dallas. While Mr. Whitlow does have insurance, he said he will have to borrow transportation until repairs are made. Damage was estimated at $7,000. (Dallas News) http://patdollard.com/2008/09/iraq-war-vets-tires-slashed-soldiers-are-murderers-spray-painted-on-car/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Obama Goon Squads for Dummies
Obama Wants NRA Ads Banned [Q] - The Obama camp has been threatening television and radio stations to keep them from airing anti-Obama ads. The latest target is the NRA and stations in Pennsylvania. Earlier this week, the National Rifle Association's Political Victory Fund released a series of radio and television spots to educate gun owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama's longstanding anti-gun record. In response to the NRA-PVF ads, a clearly panicked Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) are doing everything they can to hide Obama's real record by mounting a coordinated assault on the First Amendment. - http://www.newsmax.com/politics/Obama_Wants_NRA_Ads_Banne/2008/09/27/135118.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Palin should step down, conservative commentator says
On Sep 27, 4:40 am, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read this earlier. It might be a hopeful sign that Palin is out of her league- look at the league! Exactly. What we don't need now is another self-serving, DC back slapper. And now we know what a huge threat Palin represents to the status quo. Not just to the congressional thieves and liars club, but every MSM insider and political hack in Washington. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Debate is Over
And McCain no longer needs to be in Washington. I'm sure it's just a coincidence. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
On the Duty of Civil Disobedience
[Q] - I heartily accept the motto, That government is best which governs least; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe--That government is best which governs not at all - Henry David Thoreau --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Left Enraged over Erin Brockovich's Support of Sarah Palin
[Q] - Julia Roberts might not be too happy when she finds out that the woman she portrayed in a movie of the same name, Erin Brockovich, is currently praising Sarah Palin. This is considered an act of treason by the left. And that is not the only heresy committed by Erin Brockovich who, until recently, was considered to be a progressive. - http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/27/left-angered-over-erin-brokovich-praise-sarah-palin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Why wouldn't McCain look at Barack Obama
he probably was afraid he would break out laughing at all the bs barry was spewing. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: McCaun doesn't look at anybody. On Sep 28, 9:44�am, glc3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please listen to this weeks Let's Talk Honestly show BKA as LTH WEEKLYhttp://www.letstalkhonestly.com/LTHWEEKLY.html The �First Debate: Why wouldn't McCain look at Barack Obama Obama finally gets tough. The economy: What Barack Obama understands that McCain doesn't Listen to this weeks show herehttp://www.letstalkhonestly.com/LTHWEEKLY.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MISSOURI GOVERNOR condemns Obama's Goon Squads
judging by the fact that you holly, are totally dismissing statements made by people in the know, I would have to say it is you who is playing dumb. except with you it is not playing. Hollywood wrote: d.b. Repeating Gov. Blunt's statement/claim, no matter how many times, is NOT going to magically change WHAT he is saying into the truth. I stand by my previous response. Just who's playing dumb here? On Sep 28, 12:26�pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me remind you, Jimmy Rocket, don't play dumb... unless you are. [UPDATE] - This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson�s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election. �Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society.� -http://governor.mo.gov/cgi-bin/coranto/viewnews.cgi?id=EkkkVFulkpOzXq... On Sep 28, 7:49�am, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d,b. I don't drink and drive, therefore I have no fear of being arrested for that offense. And should , for some reason that were to happen, I have no fear of conviction. Same goes for libel, or burglary or bank robbery, etc. etc. NO ONE can be prosecuted for criticising Obama. I thought we were talking about committing libel? You understand the difference, don't you? WHAT abuse of law? ALL I have seen is some people claiming, without proof, that someone might be planning to do so. Even your article admits that this has NOT actually happened. Show me a copy of these so called threatening letters to radio stations. If a person, company, radio station is such a spineless pussy that they would not exercse their constituional rights out of fear that someone might criticize them ,or even take unfounded legal action, then I guess that's what happens to pussies. Libel is NOT a constituional right. On Sep 28, 2:35�am, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Q] - Oh, now. Would people really refrain from criticizing Obama just because they fear being, er, sent to prison for it? � � [q] - This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson�s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election. More at the link. Needless to say, no one actually has to be prosecuted for this to work. Prosecution will be impossible anyway in most cases thanks to the First Amendment. The point isn�t to jail critics but merely to price the cost of prospective litigation into their decision on whether to publicly criticize The One. Add this to the threatening letters his lawyers sent to station managers over the NRA ads, the flash-mob smearing of David Freddoso, and the appeal to the Justice Department to prosecute the American Issues Project for its perfectly factual yet devastating Ayers ad. Oh, the fun we�ll have with a deep blue Congress and an Obama-run DOJ and FCC. He promised you a �new type of politics,� didn�t he? Click the image to watch. -http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/27/missouri-governor-goes-nuclear-... On Sep 27, 11:56�pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d.b. Good. Don't commit criminal libel and you have no fear of libel charges. It's like announcing a vigorous campain against druck drivers. Don't drive drunk and you have no problems. You don't understand the principle? I repeat. Show me the statement by the aformentioned officials that is
Re: Barack Obama and Slavery
mark, So? You can believe Santa Claus is real so far as I'm concerned. On Sep 28, 8:04 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always believe he is a closet muslim. a wolf in black sheep's clothing. Hollywood wrote: Travis, There are Muslims in Africa bright-boy, and guess what ? Language and names are a LOT fucking older than Islam. Idiot. On Sep 28, 6:54 am, Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: *Travis* Date: Fri, Sep 26, 2008 Subject: Barack Obama and Slavery http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_slavery.html September 26, 2008 Barack Obama and Slavery*By* *Bill Warner*http://www.americanthinker.com/bill_warner/ Slavery still stalks the American consciousness, its wounds yet festering in many hearts. If Barack Obama were to set his mind to it, he could heal much of the damage this peculiar institution wrought on our national soul. This great and tragic error that must be given justice. Obama is the best person in the world who can recognize, remember and honor the deaths of 125 million and the enslavement of tens of millions of people. His unique qualifications can be found in his names. Until he was 20 years old, he went by the first name Barry. Then he decided to be called Barack Hussein Obama, his original birth name. Many people seem to the names Barack and Obama are African names. They are not. Baraq [Barack] was the name of the winged horse-like creature that took Mohammed to Paradise in the Night Journey. Baraq can also mean God's blessing. Obama is Swahili for Osama, who was one of Mohammed's chief warriors. Osama also means lion. Hussein reminds some Americans of Saddam Hussein, and Obama's supporters get upset if it is used. Hussein was the name of Mohammed's grandson. So Obama's entire name is based upon Islamic mythology and African conquest. Barack Hussein Obama means [Allah's blessing] [Mohammed's grandson] [One of Mohammed's finest warriors]. Obama's name reveals a part of history that is unknown or hidden about America, Africa and slavery. It also reveals a history of the destruction of native African civilization. His name came from his father, a so-called Arab African. The word Arab is the clue to the hidden history. Kafirs (non-Muslims) rarely refer to Islam, but call it by an ethnic name whenever they can. When Islam conquered the Middle East, the conquerors were not called Muslims, but Arabs. In Eastern Europe the Muslim invaders were called Turks. In Spain conquering Muslims were referred to as Moors. Thus it is that the Islamic culture in Africa, Arab African, is referred to with an ethnic name, Arab Africans, like Obama's father, are Muslims who leave behind their African culture and adopt the Arab culture. The Arab African Muslim has always been associated with slavery because Islam is the driving force in the history of world slavery. Islam's connection with slavery starts with Mohammed. The exact details of how slaves are taken are described in detail in the Sira, Mohammed's biography. The Sira is a sacred text since it relates Mohammed's words and deeds, called the Sunna. Everything he did is the perfect pattern of behavior for all Muslims. Mohammed was involved in every single aspect and detail of slavery. He bought and sold slaves both retail and wholesale. He gave them as gifts, used them for sex, received them as gifts, stood by as slaves were beaten, attacked. He enslaved tribes, and owned black slaves. Indeed, his rise to political success was financed, in part, by the profit of his slave trade. So the sacred pattern of Mohammed and Islam is the enslavement of non-Muslims, kafirs. For 1400 years Islam has enslaved all races and cultures including Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Zoroastrians, animists, and atheists. Only Muslims are free of being enslaved. *What Obama could do* Obama could tell us that there is only one way to understand Africa and slavery and that is to understand political Islam. For 1400 years Islam has steadily been at work in Africa. The easiest place for Americans to see Islam's annihilation of kafir civilization is in North Africa and Egypt. Egypt used to be a Christian and Coptic (the descendants of the Pharaohs) country. North Africa was a Greek and Christian culture, and at one time a part of the Roman Empire. The first Islamic assault on African culture was the jihad that annihilated Coptic Egyptian culture and Greek culture in Northern Africa. Today these areas are Arabic and Islamic. That was just the thin end of the jihad wedge. Over the next 1400 years, Islam took approximately 25 million slaves out of Africa. An Arabic word for African is *abd*, the same word that is used for black slave. Arabic has about 40 words for slaves. White
Re: Obama Goon Squads for Dummies
d.b. Bullshit. On Sep 28, 12:51 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obama Wants NRA Ads Banned [Q] - The Obama camp has been threatening television and radio stations to keep them from airing anti-Obama ads. The latest target is the NRA and stations in Pennsylvania. Earlier this week, the National Rifle Association's Political Victory Fund released a series of radio and television spots to educate gun owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama's longstanding anti-gun record. In response to the NRA-PVF ads, a clearly panicked Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) are doing everything they can to hide Obama's real record by mounting a coordinated assault on the First Amendment. -http://www.newsmax.com/politics/Obama_Wants_NRA_Ads_Banne/2008/09/27/... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MISSOURI GOVERNOR condemns Obama's Goon Squads
mark, No, i am simply asking for evidence that the statements are true. What's unreasonable about that? I take note that no such proof has been submitted. On Sep 28, 2:38 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: judging by the fact that you holly, are totally dismissing statements made by people in the know, I would have to say it is you who is playing dumb. except with you it is not playing. Hollywood wrote: d.b. Repeating Gov. Blunt's statement/claim, no matter how many times, is NOT going to magically change WHAT he is saying into the truth. I stand by my previous response. Just who's playing dumb here? On Sep 28, 12:26 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me remind you, Jimmy Rocket, don't play dumb... unless you are. [UPDATE] - This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election. Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society. -http://governor.mo.gov/cgi-bin/coranto/viewnews.cgi?id=EkkkVFulkpOzXq... On Sep 28, 7:49 am, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d,b. I don't drink and drive, therefore I have no fear of being arrested for that offense. And should , for some reason that were to happen, I have no fear of conviction. Same goes for libel, or burglary or bank robbery, etc. etc. NO ONE can be prosecuted for criticising Obama. I thought we were talking about committing libel? You understand the difference, don't you? WHAT abuse of law? ALL I have seen is some people claiming, without proof, that someone might be planning to do so. Even your article admits that this has NOT actually happened. Show me a copy of these so called threatening letters to radio stations. If a person, company, radio station is such a spineless pussy that they would not exercse their constituional rights out of fear that someone might criticize them ,or even take unfounded legal action, then I guess that's what happens to pussies. Libel is NOT a constituional right. On Sep 28, 2:35 am, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Q] - Oh, now. Would people really refrain from criticizing Obama just because they fear being, er, sent to prison for it? [q] - This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election. More at the link. Needless to say, no one actually has to be prosecuted for this to work. Prosecution will be impossible anyway in most cases thanks to the First Amendment. The point isn t to jail critics but merely to price the cost of prospective litigation into their decision on whether to publicly criticize The One. Add this to the threatening letters his lawyers sent to station managers over the NRA ads, the flash-mob smearing of David Freddoso, and the appeal to the Justice Department to prosecute the American Issues Project for its perfectly factual yet devastating Ayers ad. Oh, the fun we ll have with a deep blue Congress and an Obama-run DOJ and FCC. He promised you a new type of politics, didn t he? Click the image to watch. -http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/27/missouri-governor-goes-nuclear-... On Sep 27, 11:56 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d.b. Good. Don't commit criminal libel and you have no
The Economic Rescue/Bailout for Dummies 101
The Economic Rescue/Bailout for Dummies 101 September 28, 2008 Sean Lewis Think of it this way. Your business needs money to pay the bills, but your creditors demand payment NOW! Your suppliers demand money before they ship and the guy next door is going out of business so he is giving the same goods you have for half price with a 50% lost. You can get a short term business loan from the government. Resume regular business after the fire sale ends Or you can get a Vulture Capitalist buy your business for $.10 on the dollar, Which will mean the laying off of 90% of your employees and a reduction of services to the customers Or the Venture Capitalist can take out insurance on your firm stating you will stay in business and he is good for your debt and he receives a portion of your future profits. But the Venture Capitalist gives you no money to run your business pay your creditors of suppliers The Republican insurance plan is this one.. he can take out insurance on your firm stating you will stay in business and he is good for your debt The White House Plan is this one You can get a short term business loan from the government. What is happening without a Rescue/Bailout Or you can get a Vulture Capitalist buy your business for $.10 on the dollar, Would you put money up betting this guy will not go out of business? Can this guy buy insurance with money he does not have that he will not go out of business? These are the scenarios, which one makes sense? The Bank is the Business. The Product are home mortgages The Competitor is foreclosed properties. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Boston Globe: Barney Frank's Fingerprints Are All Over the Financial Fiasco
fingerprints, footprints, stompings, drool and fat ass.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 1:34 PM, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[Q] - 'THE PRIVATE SECTOR got us into this mess. The government has to
get us out of it.
That's Barney Frank's story, and he's sticking to it. As the
Massachusetts Democrat has explained it in recent days, the current
financial crisis is the spawn of the free market run amok, with the
political class guilty only of failing to rein the capitalists in. The
Wall Street meltdown was caused by bad decisions that were made by
people in the private sector, Frank said; the country is in dire
straits today thanks to a conservative philosophy that says the
market knows best. And that philosophy goes back to Ronald Reagan,
when at his inauguration he said, 'Government is not the answer to our
problems; government is the problem.'
In fact, that isn't what Reagan said. His actual words were: In this
present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem;
government is the problem. Were he president today, he would be
saying much the same thing.
Because while the mortgage crisis convulsing Wall Street has its share
of private-sector culprits they weren't the ones who got us into this
mess. Barney Frank's talking points notwithstanding, mortgage lenders
didn't wake up one fine day deciding to junk long-held standards of
creditworthiness in order to make ill-advised loans to unqualified
borrowers. It would be closer to the truth to say they woke up to find
the government twisting their arms and demanding that they do so - or
else.
The roots of this crisis go back to the Carter administration. That
was when government officials, egged on by left-wing activists, began
accusing mortgage lenders of racism and redlining because urban
blacks were being denied mortgages at a higher rate than suburban
whites.
The pressure to make more loans to minorities (read: to borrowers with
weak credit histories) became relentless. Congress passed the
Community Reinvestment Act, empowering regulators to punish banks that
failed to meet the credit needs of low-income, minority, and
distressed neighborhoods. -
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/09/28/franks_fingerprints_are_all_over_the_financial_fiasco?mode=PF
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Re: Left Enraged over Erin Brockovich's Support of Sarah Palin
Travis,
we of the intelligencia??? Perhaps the funniest thing you've
EVER said..hick.
On Sep 28, 3:16 pm, Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What pisses me off most about the so-called conservative commentators and
others on the right is the continued use of the word progressive when
referring to the TOTALLY REGRESSIVE LIBTARDS. everyone knows that
liberalism/socialism/marxism/ are all REgressive in nature. the libtards
can call themselves whatever they want but we of the intelligencia do not
have to use that misappropriated term just because they do. I, for one,
always change the term to the proper REgressive.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 1:27 PM, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[Q] - Julia Roberts might not be too happy when she finds out that the
woman she portrayed in a movie of the same name, Erin Brockovich, is
currently praising Sarah Palin. This is considered an act of treason
by the left. And that is not the only heresy committed by Erin
Brockovich who, until recently, was considered to be a progressive.
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Re: Left Enraged over Erin Brockovich's Support of Sarah Palin
What pisses me off most about the so-called conservative commentators and
others on the right is the continued use of the word progressive when
referring to the TOTALLY REGRESSIVE LIBTARDS. everyone knows that
liberalism/socialism/marxism/ are all REgressive in nature. the libtards
can call themselves whatever they want but we of the intelligencia do not
have to use that misappropriated term just because they do. I, for one,
always change the term to the proper REgressive.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 1:27 PM, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[Q] - Julia Roberts might not be too happy when she finds out that the
woman she portrayed in a movie of the same name, Erin Brockovich, is
currently praising Sarah Palin. This is considered an act of treason
by the left. And that is not the only heresy committed by Erin
Brockovich who, until recently, was considered to be a progressive.
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http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/27/left-angered-over-erin-brokovich-praise-sarah-palin
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Re: MISSOURI GOVERNOR condemns Obama's Goon Squads
since berry has sicked his gestapo agents in pa on nra ads he does not like, I would think it is safe to say he is doing the same thing in mo. if it goosesteps like a nazi, and censors like a nazi, then it has to be barry circumventing the constitution, again. On Sep 28, 3:45 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark, No, i am simply asking for evidence that the statements are true. What's unreasonable about that? I take note that no such proof has been submitted. On Sep 28, 2:38 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: judging by the fact that you holly, are totally dismissing statements made by people in the know, I would have to say it is you who is playing dumb. except with you it is not playing. Hollywood wrote: d.b. Repeating Gov. Blunt's statement/claim, no matter how many times, is NOT going to magically change WHAT he is saying into the truth. I stand by my previous response. Just who's playing dumb here? On Sep 28, 12:26 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me remind you, Jimmy Rocket, don't play dumb... unless you are. [UPDATE] - This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election. Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society. -http://governor.mo.gov/cgi-bin/coranto/viewnews.cgi?id=EkkkVFulkpOzXq... On Sep 28, 7:49 am, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d,b. I don't drink and drive, therefore I have no fear of being arrested for that offense. And should , for some reason that were to happen, I have no fear of conviction. Same goes for libel, or burglary or bank robbery, etc. etc. NO ONE can be prosecuted for criticising Obama. I thought we were talking about committing libel? You understand the difference, don't you? WHAT abuse of law? ALL I have seen is some people claiming, without proof, that someone might be planning to do so. Even your article admits that this has NOT actually happened. Show me a copy of these so called threatening letters to radio stations. If a person, company, radio station is such a spineless pussy that they would not exercse their constituional rights out of fear that someone might criticize them ,or even take unfounded legal action, then I guess that's what happens to pussies. Libel is NOT a constituional right. On Sep 28, 2:35 am, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Q] - Oh, now. Would people really refrain from criticizing Obama just because they fear being, er, sent to prison for it? [q] - This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election. More at the link. Needless to say, no one actually has to be prosecuted for this to work. Prosecution will be impossible anyway in most cases thanks to the First Amendment. The point isn t to jail critics but merely to price the cost of prospective litigation into their decision on whether to publicly criticize The One. Add this to the threatening letters his lawyers sent to station managers over the NRA ads, the flash-mob smearing of David Freddoso, and the appeal to the Justice Department to prosecute the
Re: Boston Globe: Barney Frank's Fingerprints Are All Over the Financial Fiasco
I would have thought his finger prints would be found all over some
guys private parts.
On Sep 28, 4:25 pm, Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
fingerprints, footprints, stompings, drool and fat ass.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 1:34 PM, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[Q] - 'THE PRIVATE SECTOR got us into this mess. The government has to
get us out of it.
That's Barney Frank's story, and he's sticking to it. As the
Massachusetts Democrat has explained it in recent days, the current
financial crisis is the spawn of the free market run amok, with the
political class guilty only of failing to rein the capitalists in. The
Wall Street meltdown was caused by bad decisions that were made by
people in the private sector, Frank said; the country is in dire
straits today thanks to a conservative philosophy that says the
market knows best. And that philosophy goes back to Ronald Reagan,
when at his inauguration he said, 'Government is not the answer to our
problems; government is the problem.'
In fact, that isn't what Reagan said. His actual words were: In this
present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem;
government is the problem. Were he president today, he would be
saying much the same thing.
Because while the mortgage crisis convulsing Wall Street has its share
of private-sector culprits they weren't the ones who got us into this
mess. Barney Frank's talking points notwithstanding, mortgage lenders
didn't wake up one fine day deciding to junk long-held standards of
creditworthiness in order to make ill-advised loans to unqualified
borrowers. It would be closer to the truth to say they woke up to find
the government twisting their arms and demanding that they do so - or
else.
The roots of this crisis go back to the Carter administration. That
was when government officials, egged on by left-wing activists, began
accusing mortgage lenders of racism and redlining because urban
blacks were being denied mortgages at a higher rate than suburban
whites.
The pressure to make more loans to minorities (read: to borrowers with
weak credit histories) became relentless. Congress passed the
Community Reinvestment Act, empowering regulators to punish banks that
failed to meet the credit needs of low-income, minority, and
distressed neighborhoods. -
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/200...
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Re: Left Enraged over Erin Brockovich's Support of Sarah Palin
I am gonna loose so much sleep over what Erin Brockovich thinks On Sep 29, 4:27 am, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Q] - Julia Roberts might not be too happy when she finds out that the woman she portrayed in a movie of the same name, Erin Brockovich, is currently praising Sarah Palin. This is considered an act of treason by the left. And that is not the only heresy committed by Erin Brockovich who, until recently, was considered to be a progressive. -http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/27/left-angered-ove... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
A Wakeup Call On Iran's Nukes: John Bolton
From: Travis Subject: A Wakeup Call On Iran's Nukes: John Bolton Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/09/25/2008-09-25_a_wakeup_call_on_irans_nukes.html A wakeup call on Iran's nukes BY JOHN BOLTON Thursday, September 25th 2008, 8:32 AM Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejadhttp://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Mahmoud+Ahmadinejadspoke to the United Nations General Assemblyhttp://www.nydailynews.com/topics/United+Nations+General+Assemblyon Tuesday, just a few hours after President Bush http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/George+W.+Bush. The contrast was palpable. Ahmadinejad expressed continued defiance of the UN Security Council http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/United+Nations+Security+Counciland the International Atomic Energy Agencyhttp://www.nydailynews.com/topics/International+Atomic+Energy+Agency, insisting that Iran http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Iran would continue and even accelerate its nuclear program. Bush, by contrast, has overseen nearly six years of failure trying to stop Iran from doing exactly that. Iran is now closer than ever to achieving its long-held strategic objective of obtaining deliverable nuclear weapons. Why has Iran succeeded and the United States http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/United+States failed in this struggle? What does it tell us about the options available to our next President, in this increasingly dangerous situation? Will Iran be a centerpiece of the first presidential debate? First, negotiating with Iran will not stop its nuclear weapons program. Sen. Barack Obama http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Barack+Obama has said that he will speak with rogue state leaders like Ahmadinejad without preconditions, implying this is a new idea. In fact, Britainhttp://www.nydailynews.com/topics/United+Kingdom, France http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/France and Germanyhttp://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Germany(the EU http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/European+Union-3) have been doing exactly that for over five years. Throughout, they have been surrogates for America, and yet Iran has shown no inclination to terminate its nuclear program. Negotiation is like all human activity: It has costs as well as benefits. The history of Europe http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Europe's efforts underscores a significant cost of negotiating with a nuclear aspirant: time. More time is almost always on the proliferator's side, because it allows for the complex work necessary to master the nuclear fuel cycle. The net effect of five years of EU-3 negotiation is that Iran is five years closer to achieving a deliverable nuclear weapon. We cannot afford more of the same. Second, Europe still does not fully appreciate the risks of a nuclear-armed Iran, nor is it willing to take the steps necessary to prevent it. Europe's lack of real concern stems in part from the controversy over intelligence about Iraq http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Iraq, but also from the deeper EU mindset that its members have passed beyond history, and entered a zone of security that will persist as long as outsiders are not provoked. This false sense of security saps EU willingness to take steps stronger than mere diplomacy, such as tough economic sanctions, much less contemplating the use of force. Thus, whatever impact on Iran that sanctions might have if imposed swiftly and comprehensively have only wound up giving the appearance of decisive action rather than the reality. Third, the Security Council will not solve the Iran problem. Russiahttp://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Russia, and to a lesser extent China http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/China, have made it clear that they will block meaningful sanctions in the Council. This was the case in the first three sanctions resolutions, where Russian intransigence wore down the EU-3 to the point where they accepted only what Russia was prepared to allow, so they could declare victory even when weak sanctions resolutions were finally adopted. Russia has an enormous interest in protecting Iran from meaningful Security Council sanctions. Moscow http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Moscow hopes to sell nuclear fuel, and construct many nuclear power plants in addition to the one nearly complete at Bushehrhttp://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Bushehr, and sees Iran as a substantial market for high-end conventional weapons sales. Similarly, China's large and growing demands for energy make Iran an attractive partner for assured supplies of oil and natural gas, as well as a potential market. All of these interests and more virtually guarantee that the Security Council's role in dealing with Iran will remain minimal at best. On Jan. 20, either President McCainhttp://www.nydailynews.com/topics/John+McCainor Obama will face very unattractive choices if he is serious about disarming this outlaw regime. One is regime change in Tehranhttp://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tehran, through support of the widespread discontent across Iran with the mullahs. The
America duped. The bail out has already failed.
The bail out has already failed. Hundreds of billions dollars of tax payer's have already been poured in the US banking system and what have been the results? Acquisitions Bear Stearns by JPMorgan Chase Countrywide Financial by the Bank of America Merrill Lynch by the Bank of America American International Group by the US federal government Lehman Brothers by Barclays plc Washington Mutual by JPMorgan Chase Lehman BrothersC by Nomura Holdings Bankrupt, filed for bankruptcy protection, or closed and received by the FDIC Company Metropolitan Savings Bank, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania NetBank, Alpharetta, Georgia Miami Valley Bank, Lakeview, Ohio Douglass National Bank, Kansas City, Missouri Hume Bank, Hume, Missouri ANB Financial, Bentonville, Arkansas First Integrity Bank, Staples, Minnesota IndyMac Bank, Pasadena, California First National Bank of Nevada, Reno, Nevada; First Heritage Bank, Newport Beach, California First Priority Bank, Bradenton, Florida The Columbian Bank and Trust Company, Topeka, Kansas Integrity Bank, Alpharetta, Georgia Silver State Bank, Henderson, Nevada Lehman Brothers AmeriBank, Northfork, West Virginia Washington Mutual That’s 7 acquisitions and 17 bankruptcies The only difference the bailout makes is that Paulson can raid the Federal bank, precluding the necessity of having to go through congress every time a Bank needs bailing out. This practice of throwing money at the banks has already proved to be futile, but that won’t stop them throwing good tax payers money after bad to rescue the interests of the ruling plutocracy Want to know who is responsible for the mess? Look no further than the 400 richest men in the United States who are taken 300,000,000 Americans for the ride of their lives. Forbes publishes list of 400 wealthiest Americans By Tom Eley 24 September 2008 Even as the US careens into its greatest economic calamity since the Great Depression, the financial aristocracy whose parasitism and criminality has brought on the crisis has held its own—and then some. The recently released Forbes 400 list of the richest Americans shows that the combined wealth of the aristocracy has increased 2 percent, even amidst the financial breakdown and recession of the economy. “In this, the 27th edition of the list,” Forbes glumly notes, “the assembled net worth of America’s wealthiest rose by $30 billion—only 2% —to $1.57 trillion.” Readers will be forgiven for tripping over the word “only” in relationship to a $30 billion increase in wealth for 400 spectacularly wealthy individuals. This “modest” figure—the increase in wealth for the oligarchy in a bad year—is only slightly less than the federal government has budgeted for unemployment insurance for all of 2008. The overall wealth of the 400 richest Americans is staggering. There are no multimillionaires on the list; a minimum of $1.3 billion being required to gain admittance, while the average net worth is $3.9 billion. The combined wealth of the richest 400 individuals is $400 billion more than the entire discretionary spending budget for the federal government. It is more than $300 billion larger than the combined 2008 outlay for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. It is more than 15 times the combined appropriations for education and highways and mass transit. The personal wealth of the top 400 Americans is more than twice the combined annual GDP of all of sub-Saharan Africa, home to nearly 800 million people, the vast majority of whom live in dire conditions. It is also several hundred billion dollars larger than the GDP of the world’s eighth biggest economy, that of Spain. The club’s richest member is Microsoft magnate Bill Gates, whose net worth, $57 billion, is greater than the annual GDP of about 120 of the world’s 180 nations. The year’s biggest winner is New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, whose personal wealth increased by $8.5 billion to $20 billion, making Bloomberg the nation’s eighth richest individual. On Tuesday, without a hint of irony—much less shame—Mayor Bloomberg proposed brutal across-the-board budget cuts for the city of New York. He is calling for cutbacks totaling $500 million for the current fiscal year, to be followed by much steeper cuts in the coming years. Meanwhile Bloomberg, in the course of just one year, pocketed 17 times what he is now demanding that millions of working people in New York City forfeit in terms of vital services and jobs. Only in America! However, owing to the turbulence of the stock market, great fortunes were being both made and squandered even as Forbes published its list. “The Forbes 400 is a snapshot of estimated wealth on Aug. 29, 2008, the day we locked in prices of publicly traded stocks,” the magazine wrote. “Given how unsettled the stock market is, some of those on our list will become significantly richer or poorer within weeks—even days— of publication. Many, including AIG shareholders Eli Broad and Steven Udvar-Hazy, have lost hundreds of
Re: The Economic Rescue/Bailout for Dummies 101
The bail out has already failed. Hundreds of billions dollars of tax payer's have already been poured in the US banking system and what have been the results? Acquisitions Bear Stearns by JPMorgan Chase Countrywide Financial by the Bank of America Merrill Lynch by the Bank of America American International Group by the US federal government Lehman Brothers by Barclays plc Washington Mutual by JPMorgan Chase Lehman BrothersC by Nomura Holdings Bankrupt, filed for bankruptcy protection, or closed and received by the FDIC Company Metropolitan Savings Bank, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania NetBank, Alpharetta, Georgia Miami Valley Bank, Lakeview, Ohio Douglass National Bank, Kansas City, Missouri Hume Bank, Hume, Missouri ANB Financial, Bentonville, Arkansas First Integrity Bank, Staples, Minnesota IndyMac Bank, Pasadena, California First National Bank of Nevada, Reno, Nevada; First Heritage Bank, Newport Beach, California First Priority Bank, Bradenton, Florida The Columbian Bank and Trust Company, Topeka, Kansas Integrity Bank, Alpharetta, Georgia Silver State Bank, Henderson, Nevada Lehman Brothers AmeriBank, Northfork, West Virginia Washington Mutual That’s 7 acquisitions and 17 bankruptcies The only difference the bailout makes is that Paulson can raid the Federal bank, precluding the necessity of having to go through congress every time a Bank needs bailing out. This practice of throwing money at the banks has already proved to be futile, but that won’t stop them throwing good tax payers money after bad to rescue the interests of the ruling plutocracy Want to know who is responsible for the mess? Look no further than the 400 richest men in the United States who are taken 300,000,000 Americans for the ride of their lives. Forbes publishes list of 400 wealthiest Americans By Tom Eley 24 September 2008 Even as the US careens into its greatest economic calamity since the Great Depression, the financial aristocracy whose parasitism and criminality has brought on the crisis has held its own—and then some. The recently released Forbes 400 list of the richest Americans shows that the combined wealth of the aristocracy has increased 2 percent, even amidst the financial breakdown and recession of the economy. “In this, the 27th edition of the list,” Forbes glumly notes, “the assembled net worth of America’s wealthiest rose by $30 billion—only 2% —to $1.57 trillion.” Readers will be forgiven for tripping over the word “only” in relationship to a $30 billion increase in wealth for 400 spectacularly wealthy individuals. This “modest” figure—the increase in wealth for the oligarchy in a bad year—is only slightly less than the federal government has budgeted for unemployment insurance for all of 2008. The overall wealth of the 400 richest Americans is staggering. There are no multimillionaires on the list; a minimum of $1.3 billion being required to gain admittance, while the average net worth is $3.9 billion. The combined wealth of the richest 400 individuals is $400 billion more than the entire discretionary spending budget for the federal government. It is more than $300 billion larger than the combined 2008 outlay for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. It is more than 15 times the combined appropriations for education and highways and mass transit. The personal wealth of the top 400 Americans is more than twice the combined annual GDP of all of sub-Saharan Africa, home to nearly 800 million people, the vast majority of whom live in dire conditions. It is also several hundred billion dollars larger than the GDP of the world’s eighth biggest economy, that of Spain. The club’s richest member is Microsoft magnate Bill Gates, whose net worth, $57 billion, is greater than the annual GDP of about 120 of the world’s 180 nations. The year’s biggest winner is New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, whose personal wealth increased by $8.5 billion to $20 billion, making Bloomberg the nation’s eighth richest individual. On Tuesday, without a hint of irony—much less shame—Mayor Bloomberg proposed brutal across-the-board budget cuts for the city of New York. He is calling for cutbacks totaling $500 million for the current fiscal year, to be followed by much steeper cuts in the coming years. Meanwhile Bloomberg, in the course of just one year, pocketed 17 times what he is now demanding that millions of working people in New York City forfeit in terms of vital services and jobs. Only in America! However, owing to the turbulence of the stock market, great fortunes were being both made and squandered even as Forbes published its list. “The Forbes 400 is a snapshot of estimated wealth on Aug. 29, 2008, the day we locked in prices of publicly traded stocks,” the magazine wrote. “Given how unsettled the stock market is, some of those on our list will become significantly richer or poorer within weeks—even days — of publication. Many, including AIG shareholders Eli Broad and Steven Udvar-Hazy, have lost hundreds of
Re: Moral America
Foley practiced great conservative faily values. How many young boyfriends did he have? Or did they loose count? On Sep 27, 2:13 pm, El Tortuga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You seem rather agitated Jarhead/ Lots of presidents had mistresses. Kennedy for sure, Clinton beyond a doubt. Probably Ike, maybe GHWB. WTF Cares On Sep 26, 11:36 pm, SgtUSMC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taht's exactly what I predicted, you'd stick your head up your ass and pretend it doesn't matter to you. But, that's what you preach, day in and day out, family values. On Sep 26, 11:05 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reagan, and so? On Sep 26, 10:57 pm, SgtUSMC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You probably don't know who it was. If you do you will stick your head up your ass and claim it isn't an issue with the evangelicals. It's your issue. On Sep 26, 10:37 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and? On Sep 26, 10:25 pm, SgtUSMC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only one president was ever divorced.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MISSOURI GOVERNOR condemns Obama's Goon Squads
d.b. Repeating Gov. Blunt's statement/claim, no matter how many times, is NOT going to magically change WHAT he is saying into the truth. I stand by my previous response. Just who's playing dumb here? On Sep 28, 12:26 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me remind you, Jimmy Rocket, don't play dumb... unless you are. [UPDATE] - This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election. “Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society.” -http://governor.mo.gov/cgi-bin/coranto/viewnews.cgi?id=EkkkVFulkpOzXq... On Sep 28, 7:49 am, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d,b. I don't drink and drive, therefore I have no fear of being arrested for that offense. And should , for some reason that were to happen, I have no fear of conviction. Same goes for libel, or burglary or bank robbery, etc. etc. NO ONE can be prosecuted for criticising Obama. I thought we were talking about committing libel? You understand the difference, don't you? WHAT abuse of law? ALL I have seen is some people claiming, without proof, that someone might be planning to do so. Even your article admits that this has NOT actually happened. Show me a copy of these so called threatening letters to radio stations. If a person, company, radio station is such a spineless pussy that they would not exercse their constituional rights out of fear that someone might criticize them ,or even take unfounded legal action, then I guess that's what happens to pussies. Libel is NOT a constituional right. On Sep 28, 2:35 am, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Q] - Oh, now. Would people really refrain from criticizing Obama just because they fear being, er, sent to prison for it? [q] - This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election. More at the link. Needless to say, no one actually has to be prosecuted for this to work. Prosecution will be impossible anyway in most cases thanks to the First Amendment. The point isn’t to jail critics but merely to price the cost of prospective litigation into their decision on whether to publicly criticize The One. Add this to the threatening letters his lawyers sent to station managers over the NRA ads, the flash-mob smearing of David Freddoso, and the appeal to the Justice Department to prosecute the American Issues Project for its perfectly factual yet devastating Ayers ad. Oh, the fun we’ll have with a deep blue Congress and an Obama-run DOJ and FCC. He promised you a “new type of politics,” didn’t he? Click the image to watch. -http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/27/missouri-governor-goes-nuclear-... On Sep 27, 11:56 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d.b. Good. Don't commit criminal libel and you have no fear of libel charges. It's like announcing a vigorous campain against druck drivers. Don't drive drunk and you have no problems. You don't understand the principle? I repeat. Show me the statement by the aformentioned officials that is their intention. All I see are statements by others CLAIMING that is what they plan to do. On Sep 27, 8:58 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 27, 4:36 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Details man DETAILS. SHOW those alleged plans. No playing dumb,
News of the Weird, September 28, 2008
From: Travis - From: Chuck Shepherd Date: Sun, Sep 28, 2008 Subject: News of the Weird, September 28, 2008 WEIRDNUZ.M077 (News of the Weird, September 28, 2008) by Chuck Shepherd Copyright 2008 by Chuck Shepherd. All rights reserved. Lead Story * Angela Pusateri, 79, may be unconventional, but, according to Jenna, 13, She really is a cool grandmother. The Hallandale Beach, Fla., woman is a rap-music singer with a new CD (Who's Your Granny?) and occasional playdates, where she shows up in hockey jersey, jewels, sunglasses, and baseball cap. Sample rap: I can bring the noise better than P-Diddy / I am older and wiser, I ain't a disguiser / I am condo commando in a high-riser, Who's your granny? Also, Move over, Trick-Daddy, 'cause this is my town / I gotta shuffleboard posse and we're known to get down. Actually, conceded Jenna to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel in September, Sometimes it's embarrassing. [South Florida Sun- Sentinel, 9-8-08] Cultural Diversity * In many ways, reported the Los Angeles Times in August, the Torajans of Indonesia's Sulawesi Island spend a lifetime preparing for their demise, in that the most glorious highlight of their existence appears to be planning the elaborate celebration of the end of it. In fact, taking one's last breath is only the beginning of a lengthy tribute, such as the one for Toraja's last king, who died in 2003 but has not been put away yet, pending completion of the necessary ritual animal sacrifices. (In the interim, the deceased is considered more sick than dead.) Said one local (cheerfully, according to the Times), Torajans! [We] live to die! [Los Angeles Times, 8-14-08] * About 250,000 women in the southern India states of Karnataka and Maharashtra are self-described elite sex workers whose impoverished, or devoutly pious, parents dedicated them as children to the Hindu goddess Yellamma, according to an August dispatch in The New Yorker. Despite the state's outlawing the practice in 1982, the women's fate as devadasis remains an attractive alternative to ordinary marriage (which would usually be to poor and abusive men) and provides a degree of status, in that they dress nicely and can inherit family property, while street prostitutes cannot. However, devadasis still fall victim to the region's rampant HIV rate. [The New Yorker, 8-4-08] * Castrillo de Murcia, Spain, lacks a running of the bulls tradition, but since 1620, it has included in its annual El Colacho festival a leaping over the babies. In late May, the town's infants are laid on mattresses in the village square, and people in red-and- yellow devil costumes jump over them, and keep running, to symbolize the vanquishing of demons from their lives. [Spiegel, 8- 28-08] Latest Religious Messages * Toward a More Accessible Anglican Church: (1) In August, Birmingham Cathedral announced plans to open a series of wine bars in London, as (according to an official) one of the alternative ways of engaging non-church-goers. (2) The new church curate in Dursley, Gloustershire, is Rev. Skye Denno, 29, a married mother of two, whose down time is spent in biker boots, hot pants, a dog collar, and her six piercings, listening to the Sex Pistols. Said she, I don't do it to be difficult. [I] think it makes me more approachable. [BBC News, 9-1-08] [Daily Telegraph (London), 9- 8-08] The Continuing Crisis * The Nebraska legislature's new safe haven law for unwanted babies, like other states' laws, allows them to be dropped off anonymously at hospitals, to discourage abortions (and neglect by unfit parents). However, unlike other states' laws, Nebraska's applies not just to infants, but minors, because, said Sen. Tom White, All children deserve our protection. In September, the first two non-infants were abandoned, as exasperated parents gave up on rebellious sons aged 11 and 15, and critics say the law could apply to those up to age 19. [Lincoln Journal Star, 9-15-08] * In August, the U.S. Department of Transportation unveiled new rules for train and bus drivers returning from work from drug-use suspensions. They must now be tested first by a strip search to detect devices for cheating (such as artificial penises), and if none is found, they may re-dress themselves, but a monitor must still directly watch the urine as it goes from the employee's body into the collection container. Not surprisingly, several unions have challenged the rule in court. [Railway Age, 8-13-08] * In July, Abbie Hawkins, 19, a hotel receptionist in Norwich, England, said she found a baby bat nestled inside the padded bra she had been wearing for several hours. When I was driving to work, I felt a slight vibration but I thought it was just my mobile phone in my jacket pocket, she told the Daily Telegraph. Hawkins had fetched the bra off of a clothesline that morning, where it had been hanging overnight. First reaction: I thought how mean I was for disturbing it. [Daily Telegraph, 7-8-08] Fine Points of the
Iraqi army says violence in the capital has spiked in the past two weeks.
Many killed in Baghdad bombings At least 32 people have been killed and more than 100 injured in a string of bomb attacks in the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, police have said. Twelve died in a car-bomb attack in the south of the city, shortly before the Iftar meal, when Muslims break their fast during the holy month of Ramadan. Two further bombings struck the Karrada district later in the evening, leaving at least 19 people dead and 70 wounded. Another person died in a car bomb earlier in the day in western Baghdad. Last week, the senior US military commander in the capital, Maj-Gen Jeffery Hammond, said it had so far witnessed the least violent Ramadan in three years. However, he cautioned that the past few days had seen a spike in attacks. Shoppers targeted The first major bomb, planted inside a minibus, exploded late in the afternoon in the Shurta neighbourhood of south Baghdad, as people were out shopping for food for Iftar. At least 12 people were killed and 30 wounded, police said. At about the same time, another car bomb exploded in the car park of a market in the nearby Hay al-Amil district, killing one person. Sometime after the Iftar meal had ended, a third car bomb and a roadside bomb struck in a busy part of Karrada, where many people were buying gifts and food ahead of a six-day public holiday beginning on Tuesday with the feast day of Eid al-Fitr, which marks the end of Ramadan. The insurgents... [want] to show there is no security in Baghdad, an Iraqi government security spokesman, Qassim Moussawi, told the Reuters news agency, adding that their attacks were hard to stop. The Iraqi army says violence in the capital has spiked in the past two weeks. There have been several car bombs in the city centre and violent attacks elsewhere in the country too, the BBC's Hugh Sykes says. At least eight children have been killed, and 35 members of a joint police-Sunni Arab Awakening movement patrol died last week when they were shot in an ambush in a village near Baquba, in Diyala Province, known to be a stronghold of al-Qaeda in Iraq. End of article. I know they are only Iraqi lives so they don't count, but the US can hardly claim that less attacks on US forces mean that Iraq is returning to some sort of normality. IT IS NOT. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Why the Bull's Eye Should Be On Politicians and NOT on Capitalism
[Q] - I have read Dodd’s proposed statute and in some respects, it is far worse than has been reported. Senator Dodd has placed a loophole in the bill that is explicitly designed to siphon off tens or hundreds of billions of dollars to the Housing Trust Fund and the Capital Magnet Fund even if there are no net profits in the $700 billion venture. Here is the provision that has already been widely noted: d) TRANSFER OF A PERCENTAGE OF PROFITS.- (1) DEPOSITS.-Not less than 20 percent of any profit realized on the sale of each troubled asset purchased under this Act shall be deposited as provided in paragraph (2). (2) USE OF DEPOSITS.-Of the amount referred to in paragraph (1)- (A) 65 percent shall be deposited into the Housing Trust Fund established under section 1338 of the Federal Housing Enterprises Regulatory Reform Act of 1992 (12 U.S.C. 4568); and (B) 35 percent shall be deposited into the Capital Magnet Fund established under section 1339 of that Act (12 U.S.C. 4569). (3) REMAINDER DEPOSITED IN THE TREASURY.-All amounts remaining after payments under paragraph (1) shall be paid into the General Fund of the Treasury for reduction of the public debt. The biggest problem here is that the 20% is not taken from net profits, but rather from any profit in the sale of each and every individual troubled asset. - http://granitegrok.com/blog/2008/09/more_on_why_the_bulls_eye_should_be_on_p.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Obama Goon Squads for Dummies
It's a response to the reaction to his original statement. For dummies. On Sep 28, 3:35 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d.b. Bullshit. On Sep 28, 12:51 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obama Wants NRA Ads Banned [Q] - The Obama camp has been threatening television and radio stations to keep them from airing anti-Obama ads. The latest target is the NRA and stations in Pennsylvania. Earlier this week, the National Rifle Association's Political Victory Fund released a series of radio and television spots to educate gun owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama's longstanding anti-gun record. In response to the NRA-PVF ads, a clearly panicked Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) are doing everything they can to hide Obama's real record by mounting a coordinated assault on the First Amendment. -http://www.newsmax.com/politics/Obama_Wants_NRA_Ads_Banne/2008/09/27/... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Boston Globe: Barney Frank's Fingerprints Are All Over the Financial Fiasco
On Sep 28, 4:30 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would have thought his finger prints would be found all over some guys private parts. They are. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Six Overlooked Minor Problems That Are Crippling The Banking System
To effect change you need to live in a democracy. The US is not a democracy it is a plutocracy. You want progressive change? You need to overthrow the government, as they are the ones responsible for what has happened. martycarbone wrote: A Report to the Banking Committees of the House and the Senate Written in 10th-grade English. From Martin and Gladys Carbone / 5123 Don Rodolfo Drive / Carlsbad, CA 92010 / Tel: 760-603-1910 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: http//www.alphabeticalist.com / blog: http://moneykaboom.blogspot.com Saturday, September 13, 2008 We plan to hand-deliver this report to every member of both Congressional Banking Committees -- sometime in May of �09. Your advice is requested. Help us refine our thinking. Six Overlooked Minor Problems That Are Crippling The Banking System ... and ... The Simple Legislative Action Congress Can Take To Solve Those Problems. Problem #1: A Belief That An Increase In The Money Supply Will Always Lead To Inflation Problem #2: Banks Do Not Suffer When They Make Bad Loans Problem #3: The Government Does Not Use Double-Entry Bookkeeping Problem #4: Contract Laws Are Not Routinely Applied To Monetary Transactions Problem #5: The People of �We The People� Are Not Encouraged To Start Banks Problem #6: The American Public Does Not Understand (a) Our Money System And (b) Fractional Reserve Banking These six problems look rather trivial at first glance, but it is our belief that they are crucially important: remember -- �for want of a nail, a kingdom was lost�. -- Problem #1: A Belief That An Increase In The Money Supply Will Always Lead To Inflation Discussion: Lots of people have a deep-rooted belief that a significant increase in the money supply will always lead to inflation -- which is a devaluation of money. We think that is nonsense. If the newly created money is put into the system in such a way as to increase wealth (those things that we value and which lead to a better average life) -- the added money will not be inflationary. Actions Needed: (1) Laws should be passed that will specify banks will primarily lend money to people and corporations who have (a) adequate colateral and (b) a good plan to create wealth with that money. (2) The Government should directly invest money in wealth producing national projects and related infrastructure under bids by existing companies, organizations and people. Problem #2: Banks Do Not Suffer When They Make Bad Loans Discussion: The �fractional reserve system� is often seen as being the main source of economic problems, because it �(a) creates debt-money out of thin air, (b) leads to an unhealthy increase in the money supply and (c), inevitably, inflation�. I believe these three negatives are always the result of (1) risky lending and (2) a lack of natural �Carrot Stick� controls that guarantee banks suffer when their loans go bad. Under the present system -- the banks sell off most of their loans (to Freddy and Fannie) and escape what should be the bank�s loss when loans go bad. They take the Carrot -- but avoid the Stick. That can easily be corrected by laws which forbid the selling-off of loans by the creator of those loans. The enormous natural downside leverage of fractional reserve banking will the insure that banks make reasonably safe loans. See a separate one-page report on the leverage built into competitive fractional reserve banking. Action Needed: Laws should be passed that will mandate banks must not transfer ownership of the loans they create before the loan is paid back. The borrowers should know that they will deal with the known lender for the life of the loan. This wil stop bundling of loans into exotic debt instruments that nobody understands. It will also obviate the need for Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae. Problem #3: The Government Does Not Use Double-Entry Bookkeeping Discussion: The government should change to a double-entry bookkeeping system wherein all transactions involve (1) assets, (2) liabilities , (3) income and (4) expense. Such a system is universally recognized as being the only way to keep track of the financial status of any enterprise. The main advantage of doing this is that government �spending� on worthwhile infrastructure would not immediately be considered an �expense�. The money spent in this way would go into an �asset� account that would be counted as an expense in accordance with a dedicated depreciation schedule. Action Needed: Laws should be passed that will mandate double-entry bookkeeping on all monetary transactions. Problem #4: Contract Laws Are Not Routinely Applied To Monetary Transactions Discussion: All monetary transactions should be considered contracts and should be analyzed in terms of contract law. Reasons and expected
Re: MISSOURI GOVERNOR condemns Obama's Goon Squads
mark, I'll take that as a no, I don't have a shred of evidence. On Sep 28, 3:28 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: since berry has sicked his gestapo agents in pa on nra ads he does not like, I would think it is safe to say he is doing the same thing in mo. if it goosesteps like a nazi, and censors like a nazi, then it has to be barry circumventing the constitution, again. On Sep 28, 3:45 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark, No, i am simply asking for evidence that the statements are true. What's unreasonable about that? I take note that no such proof has been submitted. On Sep 28, 2:38 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: judging by the fact that you holly, are totally dismissing statements made by people in the know, I would have to say it is you who is playing dumb. except with you it is not playing. Hollywood wrote: d.b. Repeating Gov. Blunt's statement/claim, no matter how many times, is NOT going to magically change WHAT he is saying into the truth. I stand by my previous response. Just who's playing dumb here? On Sep 28, 12:26 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me remind you, Jimmy Rocket, don't play dumb... unless you are. [UPDATE] - This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election. Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society. -http://governor.mo.gov/cgi-bin/coranto/viewnews.cgi?id=EkkkVFulkpOzXq... On Sep 28, 7:49 am, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d,b. I don't drink and drive, therefore I have no fear of being arrested for that offense. And should , for some reason that were to happen, I have no fear of conviction. Same goes for libel, or burglary or bank robbery, etc. etc. NO ONE can be prosecuted for criticising Obama. I thought we were talking about committing libel? You understand the difference, don't you? WHAT abuse of law? ALL I have seen is some people claiming, without proof, that someone might be planning to do so. Even your article admits that this has NOT actually happened. Show me a copy of these so called threatening letters to radio stations. If a person, company, radio station is such a spineless pussy that they would not exercse their constituional rights out of fear that someone might criticize them ,or even take unfounded legal action, then I guess that's what happens to pussies. Libel is NOT a constituional right. On Sep 28, 2:35 am, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Q] - Oh, now. Would people really refrain from criticizing Obama just because they fear being, er, sent to prison for it? [q] - This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election. More at the link. Needless to say, no one actually has to be prosecuted for this to work. Prosecution will be impossible anyway in most cases thanks to the First Amendment. The point isn t to jail critics but merely to price the cost of prospective litigation into their decision on whether to publicly
Re: Obama Goon Squads for Dummies
pay attention holly, I will say this slow so you can grasp the concept, k? s i n c e b a r r y i s d o i n g t h e s a m e t h i n g i n P a t h a t h e i s b e i n g a c c u s e d o f d o i n g i n M o, i t i s s a f e t o s a y t h a t t h i s is a p a t t e r n o f b e h a v i o r. did ya get that holly? if it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, then surely it is barry subverting the constitution, again. On Sep 28, 6:10 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d.b. Whatever. On Sep 28, 4:47 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an grasp the concept, K? It's a response to the reaction to his original statement. For dummies. On Sep 28, 3:35 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d.b. Bullshit. On Sep 28, 12:51 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obama Wants NRA Ads Banned [Q] - The Obama camp has been threatening television and radio stations to keep them from airing anti-Obama ads. The latest target is the NRA and stations in Pennsylvania. Earlier this week, the National Rifle Association's Political Victory Fund released a series of radio and television spots to educate gun owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama's longstanding anti-gun record. In response to the NRA-PVF ads, a clearly panicked Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) are doing everything they can to hide Obama's real record by mounting a coordinated assault on the First Amendment. -http://www.newsmax.com/politics/Obama_Wants_NRA_Ads_Banne/2008/09/27/...Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SARAH PALIN--BREATHTAKINGLY STUPID
Well- maybe women should have left the vote to men and stayed home and raised their children properly. Too late. Poor Sophie Tolstoy- all those children in such a short period while she wrote out Leo's grand literature- and he- wandering around like a serf in the end. No rhyme or reason, Frank. At least we have on view, the vicious nature of female rivalries. On Sep 27, 3:41 am, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't refuse to take part in government, I refuse to recognize that the two party system in the US constitutes a form of legitimate government. Over the last one hundred years our scientific achievements have been phenomenal, while our political and socio- economic understanding has stagnated. On Sep 27, 5:52 pm, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The punishment which the wise suffer who refuse to take part in the government is to live under the government of worse men. Plato On Sep 27, 2:16 am, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact that Biden is a dirty reprobate doesn't make Palin any less of an ignorant backward philistine not fit to run a mother's club. She is a dangerous imbecile, a sociopath. The argument of comparative lunacy is lunacy and exposes the filthy stinking corpse of US democracy. On Sep 27, 6:12 am, frankg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With all the dumb shit that's been spewing from Biden's mouth you actually have the chutzpah to criticize Palin? Ha.. that's funny. On Sep 26, 3:23 pm, PoliticalAmazon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The LATimes print edition today had a brutally truthful article about Sarah Palin's complete ignorance of nearly everything besides what setting to put her tanning bed at. What was brutally truthful was the fact that they printed what she said...and she is really, really stupid. It is quite apparent. This Palin schpiel is breathtakingly stupid and bullshitting: (BEGIN QUOTE) That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, we're ill about this position that we have been put in . . . Palin began, before meandering off in fruitless pursuit of coherence. But I'll let the governor speak for herself: . . . where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh -- it's got to be all about job creation too. Shoring up our economy, and putting it back on the right track. So healthcare reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, um, scary thing, but 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We've got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that. (END OF QUOTE) - Here's the article in its entirety: (BEGIN QUOTE) http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-onthemedia26-... From the Los Angeles Times ON THE MEDIA Palin talks to Couric -- and if she's lucky, few are listening The financial crisis has an upside for the Republican vice presidential candidate: It takes the spotlight away as she begins answering more pointed questions from the media. By JAMES RAINEY ON THE MEDIA September 26, 2008 A global financial crisis and a not-quite-suspended presidential campaign dominated newspaper front pages and television reports over the last couple of days. Bad news for America. But good news for Sarah Palin. The economic crisis and John McCain's surprising response have drawn attention away from the Republican vice presidential nominee just as she has started to answer more pointed questions from the media. Her third nationally televised interview, with CBS anchor Katie Couric, found Palin rambling, marginally responsive and even more adrift than during her network debut with ABC’s Charles Gibson. In a 40-minute session with Couric that aired Wednesday and Thursday nights, the Alaska governor defended her puzzling claim that geographic proximity makes her some sort of expert on Russia; went nearly blank when queried about McCain's achievements as a big- business regulator; agreed America may find itself on the road to another Great Depression; and, promoting a troop surge in Afghanistan, casually suggested that it will lead us to victory there, as it has proven to have done in Iraq. The last statement couldn't help but conjure an image from 2003 -- President Bush beaming in that green flight suit before the infamous Mission Accomplished banner. Palin's unblinking certitude gave way at other times in the interview
Re: Obama Goon Squads for Dummies
d.b. Whatever. On Sep 28, 4:47 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a response to the reaction to his original statement. For dummies. On Sep 28, 3:35 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d.b. Bullshit. On Sep 28, 12:51 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obama Wants NRA Ads Banned [Q] - The Obama camp has been threatening television and radio stations to keep them from airing anti-Obama ads. The latest target is the NRA and stations in Pennsylvania. Earlier this week, the National Rifle Association's Political Victory Fund released a series of radio and television spots to educate gun owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama's longstanding anti-gun record. In response to the NRA-PVF ads, a clearly panicked Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) are doing everything they can to hide Obama's real record by mounting a coordinated assault on the First Amendment. -http://www.newsmax.com/politics/Obama_Wants_NRA_Ads_Banne/2008/09/27/...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thank you, Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you! Thank you to my most honorable colleague Harry Reid. Thank you to my esteemed colleague Senator Dodd. Thank you to my honored colleague Mr. Frank.
On Sep 28, 9:12 am, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, the thread was intended to be disruptive, not a violation of forum etiquette. I understand your frustrations, but it is my Job to see that the Forum is not disruptive. Hell, I agree with what you posted, just not the manner in which it was posted. This Title is much better. Thank you for your consideration. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A simple question.
Newt Gingrich, for one... On Sep 28, 4:43 am, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone name a single politician that can be described as an expert on socio-economics and an intellectual, committed to the advancement of the working people of the United States and a staunch defender of habeas corpus? Can anyone name a single politician that has written any serious works on political-economy, evolutionary democracy or on the history of man and society? Anything at all that would suggest that all politicians are anything other than self-interested careerists? How can the most powerful country in the world have an illiterate leader that has no clue as to what is happening in the country he is supposed to be leading? These are simple questions, with simple answers. No. No and a travesty for all humanity. Any argument to the contrary? I thought not. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dems Earmarking Billions For ACORN (the vote fraudsters)
Actually, the more I heard about what was happening, the more I felt we should just Insure the Bad Loans through our newly purchased Insurance Company, and made them work it out for themself. Yes, some would go Belly up, and provide some opportunities for some smaller players, to get some Assets at Fire Sale prices, and Capitalism would do its thing. On Sep 28, 12:24 am, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 28, 2:21 am, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this ACORN thing is in the Final Bill, there is going to be Hell to pay... It's likely to be hidden in the Affordable Housing trust. Like a little seed hidden in the tree. Meanwhile, McCain is making a huge mistake if he continues to defer to the senate's back-slapping club. He should've pounced the minute he heard Obama utter the words, affordable housing. And he should call all the back slappers out by name: Dodd, Frank, Schumer, Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Clinton, Carter (et al). Unless he's one of'em. If the package has one ounce of pork, one provisional provision that's intended to insure economic failure, or loss, look out. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Pain
On Sep 27, 12:28 pm, Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An excellent piece. Thanks. Still wondering if Sarge has seen it? He did ask for my opinion on this Crisis, after all, and this sums it up quite nicely... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thank you, Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you! Thank you to my most honorable colleague Harry Reid. Thank you to my esteemed colleague Senator Dodd. Thank you to my honored colleague Mr. Frank.
My campaign sign made the thread all the much more attractive.Plus, this sign, wards off Moonbats!!! P.S.: Go Bucs!! G'NIte!! Keith, In Tampa And Going To Bed (Probably By Myself) On Sep 28, 8:46 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 28, 9:12 am, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, the thread was intended to be disruptive, not a violation of forum etiquette. I understand your frustrations, but it is my Job to see that the Forum is not disruptive. Hell, I agree with what you posted, just not the manner in which it was posted. This Title is much better. Thank you for your consideration. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thank you, Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you! Thank you to my most honorable colleague Harry Reid. Thank you to my esteemed colleague Senator Dodd. Thank you to my honored colleague Mr. Frank.
Just please watch how often you use them... It could be considered SPAM. Thanks. On Sep 28, 6:17 pm, KeithInTampa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My campaign sign made the thread all the much more attractive.Plus, this sign, wards off Moonbats!!! P.S.: Go Bucs!! G'NIte!! Keith, In Tampa And Going To Bed (Probably By Myself) On Sep 28, 8:46 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 28, 9:12 am, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, the thread was intended to be disruptive, not a violation of forum etiquette. I understand your frustrations, but it is my Job to see that the Forum is not disruptive. Hell, I agree with what you posted, just not the manner in which it was posted. This Title is much better. Thank you for your consideration.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A simple question.
Gaar, How do you come to that particular conclusion? On Sep 28, 7:49 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Newt Gingrich, for one... On Sep 28, 4:43 am, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone name a single politician that can be described as an expert on socio-economics and an intellectual, committed to the advancement of the working people of the United States and a staunch defender of habeas corpus? Can anyone name a single politician that has written any serious works on political-economy, evolutionary democracy or on the history of man and society? Anything at all that would suggest that all politicians are anything other than self-interested careerists? How can the most powerful country in the world have an illiterate leader that has no clue as to what is happening in the country he is supposed to be leading? These are simple questions, with simple answers. No. No and a travesty for all humanity. Any argument to the contrary? I thought not.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
