Re: Most Iraqi People Say President Bush Is a Hero,’ Immigrant Says
do you have any proof of that ? On Jan 5, 3:54 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: You are right , the shoe throwers are the MINORITY exception... On Jan 5, 8:33 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: ...except for the ones throwing shoes at him. On Jan 5, 7:13 am, lewc...@aol.com lewc...@aol.com wrote: ‘cnsnews.com Wednesday, October 01, 2008 By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer Benny Aldosakee,who worked as a translator for Will Breazeale in Iraq, now is campaigning for the Iraq veteran's congressional campaign in North Carolina. (CNSNews.com/Penny Starr)(CNSNews.com) – Benny Aldosakee left Iraq five months ago, after getting special immigration status through a federal law that allows some translators who worked with the United States in Iraq or Afghanistan to come to America. Aldosakee said that most Iraqis are grateful to President Bush and the U.S. military for removing dictator Saddam Hussein and that the many in the major media, here and abroad, are misinforming people about Iraq and the Middle East. Aldosakee’s journey from his hometown of Dahuk in northern Iraq to his home today in Elizabethtown, N.C., where he is working on a congressional campaign, reveals a portrait of Iraq and its people not often on view to Americans. Aldosakee said before the U.S. led invasion of Iraq, he and his family were resigned to live their lives under Saddam Hussein’s rule. “Because we couldn’t even dream that one day in our lives that Saddam Hussein would be removed from his power,” Aldosakee, 28, told CNSNews.com. “And President Bush did it within a month.” Aldosakee said that fact alone has shaped the opinion of the majority of his countrymen. “Most people in Iraq say President Bush is a hero,” said Aldosakee, who was on Capitol Hill earlier this month for a campaign event for Will Breazeale, a congressional candidate in North Carolina’s 7th district. And Aldosakee, a Sunni Muslim, said that sentiment includes Shia Muslims and the Kurdish people in Iraq. “All of us,” he said. For Aldosakee, the fall of Saddam Hussein inspired him to stand up for his own convictions. In 2005, Aldosakee ran a small Internet café, a business he said was successful. Before that, he had worked for a number of years for the United Nations in Iraq, where he honed his English skills. Then he was offered a different kind of job. “One day an Iraqi general was looking for (someone) to actually translate between him and (the) American forces,” Aldosakee told CNSNews.com. “He couldn’t find anybody, because everyone was scared. They were afraid to go and work for the military. So he asked me to go with him. I went back home, and I told my parents.” In Iraq, Aldosakee explained, even a grown man has to ask his parents’ permission when making a life-changing decision. His parents were against his plan. But Aldosakee asked his father if he could explain why he wanted to work as a translator for the U.S. military. “I said, ‘Dad, who do you think I’m going to work for?’ He said, ‘Americans.’ I said, “Who are those Americans?’ He said, ‘Americans are Americans.’ I said, ‘No, they are not only Americans. They are those people who sacrificed themselves, their blood, and they left their kids behind, they left their country – the greatest country in the world – and came here to give me freedom, so why shouldn’t I go help them to free my people?’ So my father looked at me and said, ‘Go, son. Go.’” “That was an amazing day for me,” said Aldosakee. Aldosakee’s assignment involved working with a military transition team, which is a team of U.S. military in charge of training the Iraqi army. That is how he met Will Breazeale, a three-time combat veteran of the wars in Iraq and Kuwait. In 2006, Breazeale was deployed to Iraq as an army reservist who advised an Iraqi division headquarters company commander. For one year, Aldosakee worked as a translator with Breazeale, a working relationship that led to mutual respect and friendship. Breazeale was a witness to Aldosakee’s good work and character, which helped him to come to the United States with special immigrant status. Aldosakee said he had no idea what he would find in America. “I have met thousands of people,” Aldosakee said. “I have found out that the American people are the most wonderful people on this planet. I did not know that before because we don’t know anything about America. We only see bad things about America.” Aldosakee blames the media in both countries for any ill-will that exists between his people and Americans, adding that Al Jazeera is the main source of news in his country. “What they show us in our country is only things that are against my religion,” he said. “I’ll give you an example. In California right now there is a
Re: SPECIAL PROSECUTOR QUESTION NUMBER ONE NOW ON THE OBAMA SITE
I signed one that says mass pardons for everyone connected with the Bush
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On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.netwrote:
you left wing assholes really need to get a life.
On Jan 4, 7:58 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote:
SPECIAL PROSECUTOR QUESTION NUMBER ONE NOW ON THE OBAMA SITE
Thanks to your valiant participation, the question we told you about,
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2. Click on Additional Issues under Pick a Topic on the left
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Please cast your vote as soon as possible, as the voting may close at
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Re: Most Iraqi People Say President Bush Is a Hero,’ Immigrant Says
Never underestimate the power of denial. What planet are you living on? The vast MAJORITY of the world's population recoil in disgust at the mention of Bushes name and would rather have seen a grenade thrown at this reprehensible murdering despot instead of a shoe. Conservatism has been exposed as a filthy backward, misanthropic racist ideology supported by degenerates, Neaderthals and facists that has been consigned to the trash heap of history. Republicans and Democrats (who are just as conservative as the GOP) alike will be held responsible for their hienous crimes against humanity, every last one of them. Obama is showing his true colors with his silence on Israel while involving himself in giving away more public funds to Wall St parasites.. On Jan 6, 7:54 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: You are right , the shoe throwers are the MINORITY exception... On Jan 5, 8:33 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: ...except for the ones throwing shoes at him. On Jan 5, 7:13 am, lewc...@aol.com lewc...@aol.com wrote: ‘cnsnews.com Wednesday, October 01, 2008 By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer Benny Aldosakee,who worked as a translator for Will Breazeale in Iraq, now is campaigning for the Iraq veteran's congressional campaign in North Carolina. (CNSNews.com/Penny Starr)(CNSNews.com) – Benny Aldosakee left Iraq five months ago, after getting special immigration status through a federal law that allows some translators who worked with the United States in Iraq or Afghanistan to come to America. Aldosakee said that most Iraqis are grateful to President Bush and the U.S. military for removing dictator Saddam Hussein and that the many in the major media, here and abroad, are misinforming people about Iraq and the Middle East. Aldosakee’s journey from his hometown of Dahuk in northern Iraq to his home today in Elizabethtown, N.C., where he is working on a congressional campaign, reveals a portrait of Iraq and its people not often on view to Americans. Aldosakee said before the U.S. led invasion of Iraq, he and his family were resigned to live their lives under Saddam Hussein’s rule. “Because we couldn’t even dream that one day in our lives that Saddam Hussein would be removed from his power,” Aldosakee, 28, told CNSNews.com. “And President Bush did it within a month.” Aldosakee said that fact alone has shaped the opinion of the majority of his countrymen. “Most people in Iraq say President Bush is a hero,” said Aldosakee, who was on Capitol Hill earlier this month for a campaign event for Will Breazeale, a congressional candidate in North Carolina’s 7th district. And Aldosakee, a Sunni Muslim, said that sentiment includes Shia Muslims and the Kurdish people in Iraq. “All of us,” he said. For Aldosakee, the fall of Saddam Hussein inspired him to stand up for his own convictions. In 2005, Aldosakee ran a small Internet café, a business he said was successful. Before that, he had worked for a number of years for the United Nations in Iraq, where he honed his English skills. Then he was offered a different kind of job. “One day an Iraqi general was looking for (someone) to actually translate between him and (the) American forces,” Aldosakee told CNSNews.com. “He couldn’t find anybody, because everyone was scared. They were afraid to go and work for the military. So he asked me to go with him. I went back home, and I told my parents.” In Iraq, Aldosakee explained, even a grown man has to ask his parents’ permission when making a life-changing decision. His parents were against his plan. But Aldosakee asked his father if he could explain why he wanted to work as a translator for the U.S. military. “I said, ‘Dad, who do you think I’m going to work for?’ He said, ‘Americans.’ I said, “Who are those Americans?’ He said, ‘Americans are Americans.’ I said, ‘No, they are not only Americans. They are those people who sacrificed themselves, their blood, and they left their kids behind, they left their country – the greatest country in the world – and came here to give me freedom, so why shouldn’t I go help them to free my people?’ So my father looked at me and said, ‘Go, son. Go.’” “That was an amazing day for me,” said Aldosakee. Aldosakee’s assignment involved working with a military transition team, which is a team of U.S. military in charge of training the Iraqi army. That is how he met Will Breazeale, a three-time combat veteran of the wars in Iraq and Kuwait. In 2006, Breazeale was deployed to Iraq as an army reservist who advised an Iraqi division headquarters company commander. For one year, Aldosakee worked as a translator with Breazeale, a working relationship that led to mutual respect and friendship. Breazeale was a witness to Aldosakee’s good work and character, which helped him to
Re: why is it libs never condemn terrorists???
the murder of civilian men women and children during any conflict by armed militias is a war crime and an act of terrorism no mater who does it ! On Jan 5, 6:03 pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: libs are all over Israel for defending herself. just read all the crap poswted here by the libs. yet a woman terrorist blew herself up killing people at a mosque in iraq. the silence is deafening. the attacks in India by terrorists is followed by what? nothing from the libs. terrorists lob rocket into Israel every day, and yet according to libs, it is Israels fault. terrorists kill more and more people everyday, and no condemnation from the left. I guess it is safe to assume that since there is no outcry against the terrorists, that must mean that the libs must have no problems with the terrorists. and somehow this should come as no surprise. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Pelosi bypasses normal House Committees
Thank God ! it is way past time to marginalize the GOP and kick them out to the curb with the rest of trash . On Jan 5, 4:38 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: to write a Bill, the issue seems to be they have Republicans on them -- so make a new system with Democratic only input... What a way to be bi-partisan... Stuff like this was why the Democrats lost Congress in 1994... http://www.dcexaminer.com/opinion/The_Pelosi_Doctrine_Whats_good_for_... Then there is sham legislative process being used by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to ramrod the measure through the 111th Congress, with its strengthened Democratic majorities in both chambers. The stimulus package will be the focus of a Wednesday hearing of the House Steering and Policy Committee, co-chaired by Rep. George Miller, D-CA, and Rosa DeLauro, D-CN. This all-Democrat panel has no legislative authority but will hear from witnesses who will mostly extol government spending. The hearing will also be a focal point for the plague of special interests who have been lobbying for weeks to get a piece of the pie. Officially, Pelosi says “this hearing will build upon the stimulus package the House passed in September and the numerous hearings held by our other committees.” She adds that “our economy demands Congress act quickly to pass at the earliest date an economic recovery plan to provide immediate relief to Americans and to create or save millions of American jobs.” In other words, forget the too-slow normal legislative process which includes Republicans. If speed is the issue, why not just let Pelosi issue an economic stimulus edict and be done with those pesky elections for good? After all, if it’s good by Pelosi, it’s good for America, right?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help children in Gaza
it is nice to see the three stooges of state terrorism lew, lower case mark and zebbie are still living up to their reputation . On Jan 5, 5:09 pm, lewc...@aol.com lewc...@aol.com wrote: Who is helping the Israeli chldremn maimed by the 3-4,000 rockets Hamas launched into Israel in 2008? On Jan 5, 4:45 pm, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: Gosh, thats what happens when barbaric assholes turn the childrens neighborhoods into rocket launch sites. On Jan 5, 4:22 pm, darkangel alim...@gmail.com wrote: More than 110 childs died in Gaza what fault those children are do to deserve die like this. They die under rubble in their house HELP THEM http://www.anera.org/index.php-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help children in Gaza
There would be far fewer child casualties if the mooseturds would stop using
children as shields. Bomb them all.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:22 PM, darkangel alim...@gmail.com wrote:
More than 110 childs died in Gaza what fault those children are do to
deserve die like this.
They die under rubble in their house
HELP THEM
http://www.anera.org/index.php
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Re: Most Iraqi People Say President Bush Is a Hero,’ Immigrant Says
Obama is showing his true colors with his silence on Israel bush is the president not Obama ! On Jan 6, 4:05 am, \Lone Wolf\ phoeni...@gmail.com wrote: Never underestimate the power of denial. What planet are you living on? The vast MAJORITY of the world's population recoil in disgust at the mention of Bushes name and would rather have seen a grenade thrown at this reprehensible murdering despot instead of a shoe. Conservatism has been exposed as a filthy backward, misanthropic racist ideology supported by degenerates, Neaderthals and facists that has been consigned to the trash heap of history. Republicans and Democrats (who are just as conservative as the GOP) alike will be held responsible for their hienous crimes against humanity, every last one of them. Obama is showing his true colors with his silence on Israel while involving himself in giving away more public funds to Wall St parasites.. On Jan 6, 7:54 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: You are right , the shoe throwers are the MINORITY exception... On Jan 5, 8:33 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: ...except for the ones throwing shoes at him. On Jan 5, 7:13 am, lewc...@aol.com lewc...@aol.com wrote: ‘cnsnews.com Wednesday, October 01, 2008 By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer Benny Aldosakee,who worked as a translator for Will Breazeale in Iraq, now is campaigning for the Iraq veteran's congressional campaign in North Carolina. (CNSNews.com/Penny Starr)(CNSNews.com) – Benny Aldosakee left Iraq five months ago, after getting special immigration status through a federal law that allows some translators who worked with the United States in Iraq or Afghanistan to come to America. Aldosakee said that most Iraqis are grateful to President Bush and the U.S. military for removing dictator Saddam Hussein and that the many in the major media, here and abroad, are misinforming people about Iraq and the Middle East. Aldosakee’s journey from his hometown of Dahuk in northern Iraq to his home today in Elizabethtown, N.C., where he is working on a congressional campaign, reveals a portrait of Iraq and its people not often on view to Americans. Aldosakee said before the U.S. led invasion of Iraq, he and his family were resigned to live their lives under Saddam Hussein’s rule. “Because we couldn’t even dream that one day in our lives that Saddam Hussein would be removed from his power,” Aldosakee, 28, told CNSNews.com. “And President Bush did it within a month.” Aldosakee said that fact alone has shaped the opinion of the majority of his countrymen. “Most people in Iraq say President Bush is a hero,” said Aldosakee, who was on Capitol Hill earlier this month for a campaign event for Will Breazeale, a congressional candidate in North Carolina’s 7th district. And Aldosakee, a Sunni Muslim, said that sentiment includes Shia Muslims and the Kurdish people in Iraq. “All of us,” he said. For Aldosakee, the fall of Saddam Hussein inspired him to stand up for his own convictions. In 2005, Aldosakee ran a small Internet café, a business he said was successful. Before that, he had worked for a number of years for the United Nations in Iraq, where he honed his English skills. Then he was offered a different kind of job. “One day an Iraqi general was looking for (someone) to actually translate between him and (the) American forces,” Aldosakee told CNSNews.com. “He couldn’t find anybody, because everyone was scared. They were afraid to go and work for the military. So he asked me to go with him. I went back home, and I told my parents.” In Iraq, Aldosakee explained, even a grown man has to ask his parents’ permission when making a life-changing decision. His parents were against his plan. But Aldosakee asked his father if he could explain why he wanted to work as a translator for the U.S. military. “I said, ‘Dad, who do you think I’m going to work for?’ He said, ‘Americans.’ I said, “Who are those Americans?’ He said, ‘Americans are Americans.’ I said, ‘No, they are not only Americans. They are those people who sacrificed themselves, their blood, and they left their kids behind, they left their country – the greatest country in the world – and came here to give me freedom, so why shouldn’t I go help them to free my people?’ So my father looked at me and said, ‘Go, son. Go.’” “That was an amazing day for me,” said Aldosakee. Aldosakee’s assignment involved working with a military transition team, which is a team of U.S. military in charge of training the Iraqi army. That is how he met Will Breazeale, a three-time combat veteran of the wars in Iraq and Kuwait. In 2006, Breazeale was deployed to Iraq as an army reservist who advised an Iraqi division headquarters company
Rambling thoughts at Random and Religion
After a good deal of synaptic, neurological electrical activity within my abnormally large cerebellum, I finally had an epiphany. A great light suddenly showered me with the bright glow of incandescence, flooding my senses with knowledge and wisdom. It was a come to Jesus moment, for me, a pivot point; if you will. For you see; after my conversion to conservatism, and with that conversion the indisputable knowledge that the greatest impediment to conservatism is liberalism. Yet, this was not only an idealistic chasm of divide; It is by all accounts war; a war between two opposing views and denominations. As my transformation into conservatism from a pot smoking, long haired, maggot infested F.M. radio type, usually reeking of tear gas strength body odor and, “you know the type, every other word from their pie hole is both most vulgar and sprinkled with heavy doses of, “DUDE”. Personally, I look upon these filthy potty mouths with disdain. For; I see this type of language as a deficiency in vocabulary and verbal sloth, maybe even negligence in their upbringing. I’m just saying…….. But alas; I’m certain you are now convinced that my thought pattern has run off the rail and I am lost in the dark seeking a coherent thought. Not true and I require not, “mone me”. Oh no my disbeliever; I haven’t lost my place, I never do. Tag back to my original eyes wide open epiphany of sorts. For literally hundreds of years the war between Liberals vs. Conservatism has been waged in diametrically distinctly different fashions. Conservatives posit intelligent reason and views into the national debate. Our weapons are ideas. We present tried and true solutions for the ills befouled upon the masses in an attempt to educate. Conservatives put forth truisms based on proven historical context with an abiding knowledge of the intent of those founders of this great nation. We use the constitution as our soapbox and hold in reverence those men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor, just to bring forth the greatest country ever conceived. Yet, we are a peaceful movement, though adamant in our righteousness and our unstoppable passion to get back to our constitution and everything that entails. For the most part we are God loving Christians. Yet, our numbers are dwindling. God has been taken out of the public schools, out of the public square. In its stead the indoctrination, “make that the organized scam of evolution” of evolution being propagandized to our children. I speak to many people on this subject, more than any other. It would seem that in attempting to merely engage a liberal in religious conversation they retort and smile; as in their mind, they have just bested a bible thumper and their ecstasy upon their belittle smiling face soon results in the most damning liberal arrow in their quiver. They will quote our constitution, almost verbatim as they look smugly down on their victim. Oh, the satisfied look on their face. After all, everyone knows us Christians to be inbred rubes, living in a run down, single wide mobile home with a passel of little nippers. Liberals see the downtrodden as using our God as a crutch. Because, in their cynical mind; only the weak would worship a deity that can’t be proven with modern science. Yet we Christians have been blessed with faith. Because with the absence of proof, one must have a deep, unshakable and sincere belief, even when faced with no tangible, scientific proof of the religious tenets Christians hold dear and give them peace and a great comfort. Yet; I would postulate this most prescient, truism. Religion; by design has but two codicils requiring an unwavering allegiance to. Acceptance of Jesus Christ; as your “personal savior” and a profound faith in his death on the cross for our sins; without proof! I believe this, deeply; by design man was never intended to have proof, for without proof, faith is unneeded, even though, A profound faith is the bedrock of Christianity; the acceptance of the Christ child, his blood, “representing the washing away of our sins. Again, trust me; I haven’t lost my place or train of thought. Liberals, even those pseudo intellectuals who love to spout the first amendment. You’ve no doubt come across them in your daily traverses through life; small minded, Lilliputian liberals, when speaking of religion in schools, public institutions, government buildings, and so on, love to opine about the separation of church. And, to my surprise they actually mean what they say and abide in its comfort. They are assured this separation to be in the body of our sacred founding documents, Written in stone as it were. Yet, in a way, “a perverse way” that too is blind faith. A faith in a separation that does not exists. Our beloved Pastor Karel; “Our churches’ pastor” is well known for plain talk, he suffers not fools when relating the gospel. He is a man quickly seen to be comfortable in his own skin and passionate in his mission to bring
Re: Help children in Gaza
and the number of pro terrorism supporters jumps to four ! and i am
sure we will hear from our resident female terrorist supporter soon
On Jan 6, 4:19 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
There would be far fewer child casualties if the mooseturds would stop using
children as shields. Bomb them all.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:22 PM, darkangel alim...@gmail.com wrote:
More than 110 childs died in Gaza what fault those children are do to
deserve die like this.
They die under rubble in their house
HELP THEM
http://www.anera.org/index.php
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The Gaza conflict is but another chapter of Bush's legacy
The Gaza conflict is but another chapter of Bush's legacy If ever there were a propitious time to have those five escapist letters -- e-l-e-c-t -- attached postpositively to his new title, this is it. http://buzzflash.com/articles/carpenter/277 The president-elect is closely monitoring the situation in Gaza, his national security spokeswoman again insisted over the weekend. There is, however, only one president at a time, and we intend to respect that -- as well as cling to it. Yet Barack Obama's luxury of respectful distance expires in 15 days. Then he'll be forced to confront a welter of planetary disintegration, of which the situation in Gaza is but one -- the inevitable result of eight sustained years of Bushian fecklessness and neglect. In perhaps one of the most disingenuous statements ever released by this White House -- and that's saying a lot -- the Bush administration claimed to be working toward a new cease-fire, the old one of which began withering in November and was dead by December. Yet in laboring for a cease-fire the administration asked that no firing be ceased; it merely asked Israel to be mindful of the potential consequences to civilians. In a further insult to virtually everyone's intelligence, Mr. Bush said Saturday afternoon that his team of unrivaled jingoists was leading diplomatic efforts to achieve a meaningful cease-fire that is fully respected -- efforts that began in earnest on Saturday night by thwarting the U.N. Security Council's call for a cease-fire. Good grief, are there really still 15 days left? That's, like, more than two weeks, right? Couldn't we just call all that inaugural fuss a quaint formality and get on with some adult supervision? With our hellish fortnight nevertheless remaining, whether anyone likes it or not, and very, very few do, the NY Times' Frank Rich reminded us yesterday as to the origins of some of Gaza's present misery: Three years ago after the Palestinian elections, [Bush] championed … his 'freedom agenda' [which] led to a landslide victory for Hamas. 'There is something healthy about a system that does that,' Bush observed at the time, as he congratulated Palestinian voters for rejecting 'the old guard.' The only thing that muffled the audible gasps of incredulity at the time was an already well-pronounced weariness of the Bush administration's knack for getting pretty much everything wrong. Still, outside of President Bush and his enduring fecklessness, it is tricky at best, and nigh impossible at worst, to assign unilateral blame for the present crisis in Gaza. For this is one of those irrepressible conflicts in which both sides are profoundly wrong, while each is profoundly in the right. Looking at it from a parental point of view, which often can put a comprehensible human face on unspeakably inhuman events, Obama in the past has defended Israel's efforts to, quite simply, protect itself. If he had children sleeping under a grim blanket of incoming rocket fire, he said, the decision to remove both the threat and reality would be an easy one. What could be simpler. Or, more complicated. Because Palestinian parents are justifiably thinking the very same thing. It now appears, Bushlike, that Israel's principal war aim is regime change. Last week its foreign minister said There is no doubt that as long as Hamas controls Gaza, it is a problem for Israel, a problem for the Palestinians and a problem for the entire region; and even more forebodingly, Israel's vice premier said Friday that What I think we need to do is to reach a situation in which we do not allow Hamas to govern. Yet while it may sound decisive, as the NY Times put it in Obama- or Bush-Speak, to talk of taking Hamas out of power, almost no one familiar with Gaza and Palestinian politics considers it realistic. Hamas legislators won a democratic majority in elections four years ago, and the group has 15,000 to 20,000 men under arms. All of which guarantees a durable irresolution, permanent violence and perhaps an endless Israeli occupation. Unless, that is, real adults soon engage in real regional diplomacy, which has been as dead as Bush's brain for eight long years. Welcome, Mr. Obama, to some major-league cleanup tasks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Obama stimulus plan to include major corporate tax cuts
We need lots and lots of tax cuts. For one,lets cut the capital gains tax to between 1 and 5 %. cut the individual incometax to a max of 10-15 %. Cut all business income taxes to ZERO. And fire about half of all non-essential fed employees. Like 3/4 of all congesssional staffs and committee staffs. Ger rid of a bunch of the fed departments like HUD and Education. And this would just be a baginning. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:49 AM, Lone Wolf phoeni...@gmail.com wrote: Obama stimulus plan to include major corporate tax cuts By Jerry White 6 January 2009 For weeks, spokesmen for the incoming Barack Obama administration have suggested that they would respond to the economic crisis by launching a massive program of public spending, with some supporters comparing the scope of the planned economic stimulus package to Roosevelt's New Deal measures during the Great Depression. Details of Obama's proposals began to emerge on Monday, and it is clear that the US president-elect is proposing a relatively small stimulus package, which will include further massive tax incentives for corporate America. The provisions for ordinary people will do next to nothing to alleviate the impact of the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression. This weekend the Obama transition team revealed that 40 percent of the estimated $675-775 billion it plans to spend over the next two years on its economic package would be earmarked for tax cuts, with about half going to big business. The Wall Street Journal noted that the Obama tax-cut proposals, if enacted, could pack more punch in two years than either of George W. Bush's tax cuts did in their first two years. Many of Obama's proposals, the newspaper wrote, were, in fact, extensions of measures carried out by the Republican administration over the last eight years. One such provision under the Obama plan would allow businesses to reduce taxes by claiming immediate depreciation of half of their spending on new equipment, rather than spreading out that depreciation over years. Another would allow businesses to write off the huge losses they incurred last year and any suffered in 2009, enabling corporations to apply retroactively for refunds on taxes paid over the last five years. Corporations will also get thousands of dollars in tax credits for each job supposedly created or retained. Under the plan, ordinary working people will receive a tax credit worth up to $500 for individual workers and $1,000 for families—adding up to about $150 billion of the total package. This under conditions in which the decline in the value of US homes alone will lead to the wiping out of some $6 trillion in US household wealth. This means families crushed by high levels of debt and other living expenses will either pay a little less in taxes or receive a rebate of a few hundred dollars. The new administration will also adjust payroll taxes for the current year, meaning an average worker is likely to see his or her paycheck increase by about $10 a week! The proposed $300 billion in tax cuts were greater than expected and immediately won praise from Republicans who had criticized the previous focus on government spending. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Rep.-Kentucky) praised the tax cuts, saying they were the sort of thing we could have bipartisan agreement on, adding that Republicans, by and large, think tax relief is a great way to get money to people immediately. The Democrats, who will increase their majority when the 111th Congress convenes Tuesday, had said they hoped to have a stimulus package approved for Obama to sign immediately after being sworn in on January 20. Congressional leaders are now saying they will need until mid-February to craft a bipartisan agreement. Obama has said he wants an 80 percent approval from Congress—giving the Republican minority that was overwhelmingly defeated at the polls virtual veto power over the legislation. In discussions with congressional leaders Monday, Republicans reportedly pressed for even larger tax cuts along with deep cuts to the federal budget to offset increased spending. For their part, Obama and leading Democrats, such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, insisted they would be fiscally responsible and vowed to carry out radical reforms to reduce spending. Ten percent of the package is directed towards extending unemployment benefits or providing temporary extensions of health care coverage, even though millions are facing the loss of their incomes and medical benefits. On Friday, the Labor Department is expected to announce that another 500,000 jobs were lost in December, bringing to 2.4 million the number of jobs lost in 2008, the most since World War II. While a portion of the stimulus money is directed toward public infrastructure improvements and aiding city and state governments, the Democrats, like the Republicans, insist these projects will
Re: Help children in Gaza
If I were to be a supporter of terrorism I would be a Muslim. The followers
of Islam, a corrupt cult of hate and death, are the number one group of
terrorists on the planet today.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.comwrote:
and the number of pro terrorism supporters jumps to four ! and i am
sure we will hear from our resident female terrorist supporter soon
On Jan 6, 4:19 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
There would be far fewer child casualties if the mooseturds would stop
using
children as shields. Bomb them all.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:22 PM, darkangel alim...@gmail.com wrote:
More than 110 childs died in Gaza what fault those children are do to
deserve die like this.
They die under rubble in their house
HELP THEM
http://www.anera.org/index.php
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Re: Help children in Gaza
travis your own words speak for themselves ! There would be far
fewer child casualties if the mooseturds would stop using children as
shields. Bomb them all.
On Jan 6, 5:22 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
If I were to be a supporter of terrorism I would be a Muslim. The followers
of Islam, a corrupt cult of hate and death, are the number one group of
terrorists on the planet today.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Florida Cracker
littlemike...@gmail.comwrote:
and the number of pro terrorism supporters jumps to four ! and i am
sure we will hear from our resident female terrorist supporter soon
On Jan 6, 4:19 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
There would be far fewer child casualties if the mooseturds would stop
using
children as shields. Bomb them all.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:22 PM, darkangel alim...@gmail.com wrote:
More than 110 childs died in Gaza what fault those children are do to
deserve die like this.
They die under rubble in their house
HELP THEM
http://www.anera.org/index.php
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Wind, Waves, and Watts [ the Obama return to sanity has already
Wind, Waves, and Watts [ the Obama return to sanity has already begun ] http://www.truthout.org/010509EA The steady, strong winds over the Atlantic off New England have attracted another developer interested in harnessing them for power generation. A new wrinkle in the proposal by Grays Harbor Ocean Energy Company, of Washington state, is that the supports anchoring each wind turbine platform to the ocean floor would be designed in a way to turn wave action into electricity as well. For Grays Harbor, this feature serves two purposes: It increases the likelihood that its platforms will be producing power even when winds are still, and it qualifies the initial stages of the project for review by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission instead of the Minerals Management Service of the Department of the Interior. Why one federal agency should have supervision over ocean wave energy and another over ocean wind energy is one of those governmental head-scratchers that turn organization charts into mazes. Congress should resolve the disparity as soon as possible. It should also facilitate all offshore energy projects by granting the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration increased funds for seabed surveys. In the meantime, it is to Grays Harbor's advantage to be seeking a preliminary permit from FERC, which is considered more responsive than Minerals Management. Although the law giving Minerals Management authority over offshore wind projects passed in 2005, the agency is still drawing up regulations for awarding leases and overseeing projects. It can proceed with oversight of the Cape Wind project on Nantucket Sound because the 2005 law specifically grandfathered it. If Grays Harbor gets its preliminary permit from FERC, it will be able to deploy a platform with a meteorological tower at its proposed site 12 to 17 miles south of Nantucket. This will provide the wind and wave data it needs to determine if the project is feasible. Another site being looked at is south of Block Island. Grays Harbor's CEO Burton Hamner likens his three-sided turbine platforms to a big, triangular footstool. He acknowledges that they have yet to be tested in the rough conditions of the Atlantic in depths of up to 200 feet. If Hamner can bring just one of his New England projects to fruition, it will make a substantial contribution to the energy grid. Each site could produce up to 1,000 megawatts, about the output of the Seabrook nuclear plant, and an average of 400. While developers have installed many turbines in the US west, the nation lags behind Europe in exploiting stronger offshore winds. Getting regulations in place promptly and investing more in basic seabed research are two needed steps to encourage this form of renewable energy. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wind, Waves, and Watts [ the Obama return to sanity has already
Good Now maybe he can get the wind generators off shore from
girl-killer-fatso-teddy's compound too.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.comwrote:
Wind, Waves, and Watts [ the Obama return to sanity has already
begun ]
http://www.truthout.org/010509EA
The steady, strong winds over the Atlantic off New England have
attracted another developer interested in harnessing them for power
generation. A new wrinkle in the proposal by Grays Harbor Ocean
Energy
Company, of Washington state, is that the supports anchoring each
wind
turbine platform to the ocean floor would be designed in a way to
turn
wave action into electricity as well.
For Grays Harbor, this feature serves two purposes: It increases
the likelihood that its platforms will be producing power even when
winds are still, and it qualifies the initial stages of the project
for review by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission instead of the
Minerals Management Service of the Department of the Interior.
Why one federal agency should have supervision over ocean wave
energy and another over ocean wind energy is one of those
governmental
head-scratchers that turn organization charts into mazes. Congress
should resolve the disparity as soon as possible. It should also
facilitate all offshore energy projects by granting the National
Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration increased funds for
seabed surveys.
In the meantime, it is to Grays Harbor's advantage to be seeking
a
preliminary permit from FERC, which is considered more responsive
than
Minerals Management. Although the law giving Minerals Management
authority over offshore wind projects passed in 2005, the agency is
still drawing up regulations for awarding leases and overseeing
projects. It can proceed with oversight of the Cape Wind project on
Nantucket Sound because the 2005 law specifically grandfathered it.
If Grays Harbor gets its preliminary permit from FERC, it will be
able to deploy a platform with a meteorological tower at its proposed
site 12 to 17 miles south of Nantucket. This will provide the wind
and
wave data it needs to determine if the project is feasible. Another
site being looked at is south of Block Island. Grays Harbor's CEO
Burton Hamner likens his three-sided turbine platforms to a big,
triangular footstool. He acknowledges that they have yet to be
tested
in the rough conditions of the Atlantic in depths of up to 200 feet.
If Hamner can bring just one of his New England projects to
fruition, it will make a substantial contribution to the energy grid.
Each site could produce up to 1,000 megawatts, about the output of
the
Seabrook nuclear plant, and an average of 400.
While developers have installed many turbines in the US west, the
nation lags behind Europe in exploiting stronger offshore winds.
Getting regulations in place promptly and investing more in basic
seabed research are two needed steps to encourage this form of
renewable energy.
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Re: Rambling thoughts at Random and Religion
:-) On Jan 6, 3:40 am, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: After a good deal of synaptic, neurological electrical activity within my abnormally large cerebellum, I finally had an epiphany. A great light suddenly showered me with the bright glow of incandescence, flooding my senses with knowledge and wisdom. It was a come to Jesus moment, for me, a pivot point; if you will. For you see; after my conversion to conservatism, and with that conversion the indisputable knowledge that the greatest impediment to conservatism is liberalism. Yet, this was not only an idealistic chasm of divide; It is by all accounts war; a war between two opposing views and denominations. As my transformation into conservatism from a pot smoking, long haired, maggot infested F.M. radio type, usually reeking of tear gas strength body odor and, “you know the type, every other word from their pie hole is both most vulgar and sprinkled with heavy doses of, “DUDE”. Personally, I look upon these filthy potty mouths with disdain. For; I see this type of language as a deficiency in vocabulary and verbal sloth, maybe even negligence in their upbringing. I’m just saying…….. But alas; I’m certain you are now convinced that my thought pattern has run off the rail and I am lost in the dark seeking a coherent thought. Not true and I require not, “mone me”. Oh no my disbeliever; I haven’t lost my place, I never do. Tag back to my original eyes wide open epiphany of sorts. For literally hundreds of years the war between Liberals vs. Conservatism has been waged in diametrically distinctly different fashions. Conservatives posit intelligent reason and views into the national debate. Our weapons are ideas. We present tried and true solutions for the ills befouled upon the masses in an attempt to educate. Conservatives put forth truisms based on proven historical context with an abiding knowledge of the intent of those founders of this great nation. We use the constitution as our soapbox and hold in reverence those men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor, just to bring forth the greatest country ever conceived. Yet, we are a peaceful movement, though adamant in our righteousness and our unstoppable passion to get back to our constitution and everything that entails. For the most part we are God loving Christians. Yet, our numbers are dwindling. God has been taken out of the public schools, out of the public square. In its stead the indoctrination, “make that the organized scam of evolution” of evolution being propagandized to our children. I speak to many people on this subject, more than any other. It would seem that in attempting to merely engage a liberal in religious conversation they retort and smile; as in their mind, they have just bested a bible thumper and their ecstasy upon their belittle smiling face soon results in the most damning liberal arrow in their quiver. They will quote our constitution, almost verbatim as they look smugly down on their victim. Oh, the satisfied look on their face. After all, everyone knows us Christians to be inbred rubes, living in a run down, single wide mobile home with a passel of little nippers. Liberals see the downtrodden as using our God as a crutch. Because, in their cynical mind; only the weak would worship a deity that can’t be proven with modern science. Yet we Christians have been blessed with faith. Because with the absence of proof, one must have a deep, unshakable and sincere belief, even when faced with no tangible, scientific proof of the religious tenets Christians hold dear and give them peace and a great comfort. Yet; I would postulate this most prescient, truism. Religion; by design has but two codicils requiring an unwavering allegiance to. Acceptance of Jesus Christ; as your “personal savior” and a profound faith in his death on the cross for our sins; without proof! I believe this, deeply; by design man was never intended to have proof, for without proof, faith is unneeded, even though, A profound faith is the bedrock of Christianity; the acceptance of the Christ child, his blood, “representing the washing away of our sins. Again, trust me; I haven’t lost my place or train of thought. Liberals, even those pseudo intellectuals who love to spout the first amendment. You’ve no doubt come across them in your daily traverses through life; small minded, Lilliputian liberals, when speaking of religion in schools, public institutions, government buildings, and so on, love to opine about the separation of church. And, to my surprise they actually mean what they say and abide in its comfort. They are assured this separation to be in the body of our sacred founding documents, Written in stone as it were. Yet, in a way, “a perverse way” that too is blind faith. A faith in a separation that does not exists. Our beloved Pastor Karel; “Our churches’ pastor” is well known for plain
The Strange Relationship Between Islam And Truth
From: Travis
Date: Mon, Jan 5, 2009
Subject: The Strange Relationship Between Islam And Truth
http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2009/01/strange-relationship-between-islam-and.html
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Re: Pelosi Erases Gingrich's Long-Standing Fairness Rules - Switch From Bi-Partisan To PARTISAN
so typical of the left. On Jan 5, 3:24 pm, lewc...@aol.com lewc...@aol.com wrote: drudge.com by Connie Hair House Speaker Nancy Pelosi plans to re-write House rules today to ensure that the Republican minority is unable to have any influence on legislation. Pelosi’s proposals are so draconian, and will so polarize the Capitol, that any thought President-elect Obama has of bipartisan cooperation will be rendered impossible before he even takes office. Pelosi’s rule changes -- which may be voted on today -- will reverse the fairness rules that were written around Newt Gingrich’s “Contract with America.” In reaction, the House Republican leadership is sending a letter today to Pelosi to object to changes to House Rules this week that would bar Republicans from offering alternative bills, amendments to Democrat bills or even the guarantee of open debate accessible by motions to recommit for any piece of legislation during the entire 111th Congress. These procedural abuses, as outlined in the below letter obtained by HUMAN EVENTS, would also include the repeal of six-year limit for committee chairmen and other House Rules reform measures enacted in 1995 as part of the Contract with America. After decades of Democrat control of the House of Representatives, gross abuses to the legislative process and several high-profile scandals contributed to an overwhelming Republican House Congressional landslide victory in 1994. Reforms to the House Rules as part of the Contract with America were designed to open up to public scrutiny what had become under this decades-long Democrat majority a dangerously secretive House legislative process. The Republican reform of the way the House did business included opening committee meetings to the public and media, making Congress actually subject to federal law, term limits for committee chairmen ending decades-long committee fiefdoms, truth in budgeting, elimination of the committee proxy vote, authorization of a House audit, specific requirements for blanket rules waivers, and guarantees to the then-Democrat minority party to offer amendments to pieces of legislation. Pelosi’s proposed repeal of decades-long House accountability reforms exposes a tyrannical Democrat leadership poised to assemble legislation in secret, then goose-step it through Congress by the elimination of debate and amendment procedures as part of America’s governing legislative process. Below is the text of the letter on which the House Republican leadership has signed off. January 5, 2009 The Honorable Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the House H-232, U.S. Capitol Washington, D.C. 20515 Dear Madame Speaker, We hope you and your family had a joyful holiday season, and as we begin a new year and a new Congress, we look forward to working with you, our colleagues on both sides of the aisle, and President-elect Obama in tackling the many challenges facing our nation. President Obama has pledged to lead a government that is open and transparent. With that in mind, we are deeply troubled by media reports indicating that the Democratic leadership is poised to repeal reforms put in place in 1995 that were intended to help restore Americans’ trust and confidence in the People’s House. Specifically, these reports note that the Majority, as part of its rules package governing the new Congress, will end six-year term limits for Committee chairs and further restrict the opportunity for all members to offer alternative legislation. This does not represent change; it is reverting back to the undemocratic one-party rule and backroom deals that the American people rejected more than a decade ago. And it has grave implications for the American people and their freedom, coming at a time when an unprecedented expansion of federal power and spending is being hastily planned by a single party behind closed doors. Republicans will vigorously oppose repealing these reforms if they are brought to a vote on the House floor. As you know, after Republicans gained the majority in the House in 1995, our chamber adopted rules to limit the terms of all committee chairs to three terms in order to reward new ideas, innovation, and merit rather than the strict longevity that determined chairmanships in the past. This reform was intended to help restore the faith and trust of the American people in their government – a theme central to President-elect Obama’s campaign last year. He promoted a message of “change,” but Madame Speaker, abolishing term limit reform is the opposite of “change.” Instead, it will entrench a handful of Members of the House in positions of permanent power, with little regard for its impact on the American people. The American people also stand to pay a price if the Majority further shuts down free and open debate on the House floor by refusing to allow all members the opportunity to offer substantive alternatives to important
ny voters want cuomo not kennedy
58% want cuomo to be appointed senator, not kennedy. and yet patterson is still suppose to appoint her, which brings up my point again. what has she promised him in order to get this appointment? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Funny Business in Minnesota
How to Steal an Election by George Traitor Soros, et.al.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.netwrote:
Strange things keep happening in Minnesota, where the disputed recount
in the Senate race between Norm Coleman and Al Franken may be nearing
a dubious outcome. Thanks to the machinations of Democratic Secretary
of State Mark Ritchie and a meek state Canvassing Board, Mr. Franken
may emerge as an illegitimate victor.
Mr. Franken started the recount 215 votes behind Senator Coleman, but
he now claims a 225-vote lead and suddenly the man who was insisting
on counting every vote wants to shut the process down. He's getting
help from Mr. Ritchie and his four fellow Canvassing Board members,
who have delivered inconsistent rulings and are ignoring glaring
problems with the tallies.
Under Minnesota law, election officials are required to make a
duplicate ballot if the original is damaged during Election Night
counting. Officials are supposed to mark these as duplicate and
segregate the original ballots. But it appears some officials may have
failed to mark ballots as duplicates, which are now being counted in
addition to the originals. This helps explain why more than 25
precincts now have more ballots than voters who signed in to vote. By
some estimates this double counting has yielded Mr. Franken an
additional 80 to 100 votes.
This disenfranchises Minnesotans whose vote counted only once. And one
Canvassing Board member, State Supreme Court Justice G. Barry
Anderson, has acknowledged that very likely there was a double
counting. Yet the board insists that it lacks the authority to
question local officials and it is merely adding the inflated numbers
to the totals.
In other cases, the board has been flagrantly inconsistent. Last
month, Mr. Franken's campaign charged that one Hennepin County
(Minneapolis) precinct had lost 133 votes, since the hand recount
showed fewer ballots than machine votes recorded on Election Night.
Though there is no proof to this missing vote charge -- officials may
have accidentally run the ballots through the machine twice on
Election Night -- the Canvassing Board chose to go with the Election
Night total, rather than the actual number of ballots in the recount.
That decision gave Mr. Franken a gain of 46 votes.
Meanwhile, a Ramsey County precinct ended up with 177 more ballots
than there were recorded votes on Election Night. In that case, the
board decided to go with the extra ballots, rather than the Election
Night total, even though the county is now showing more ballots than
voters in the precinct. This gave Mr. Franken a net gain of 37 votes,
which means he's benefited both ways from the board's inconsistency.
And then there are the absentee ballots. The Franken campaign
initially howled that some absentee votes had been erroneously
rejected by local officials. Counties were supposed to review their
absentees and create a list of those they believed were mistakenly
rejected. Many Franken-leaning counties did so, submitting 1,350
ballots to include in the results. But many Coleman-leaning counties
have yet to complete a re-examination. Despite this lack of
uniformity, and though the state Supreme Court has yet to rule on a
Coleman request to standardize this absentee review, Mr. Ritchie's
office nonetheless plowed through the incomplete pile of 1,350
absentees this weekend, padding Mr. Franken's edge by a further 176
votes.
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Re: Australian Jewish Group condemns ongong Israeli military attacks on Gaza
Arabs dumped the Palestinians into Lebanon and Jordan plus what remained of the old territory and those who escaped Bloody Sunday by our ally, King Hussein or escaped with Arafat. Some are hired as construction or domestic workers by other Arab kingdoms but mostly they are a victim jolt for Al-Jazeera, liberals and Christians. On Jan 5, 4:02�pm, AmericanBuilt.us i...@americanbuilt.us wrote: How about the point of view from CHILDREN UNDER FIRE (both sides). you'll never see these horror movies on domestic TV... ISRAELI CHILDREN:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPExzYSPXjc Gaza is a small strip 10x50 miles with 1.5M people (half are refugees - most are starving to death). 62 women and children minimal figure of 420+ slaughtered last week in gaza? how would you feel if this was your 2 year-old daughter living in gaza? i'm afraid of israeli planes rockets.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttG0r4oR7a4 my clothes smell like gasolinehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwCTZsK_qEc kids handle spent du shells. when children saw that i was interested in the spent bullets scattered on the floors, they brought them to me by the handful.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOvlYQvRYFE no wonder they won't let journalists enter gaza Americans are very confused about the differences between jews, israelis, and ZIONISTShttp://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/http://www.nkusa.org/ Attempted Assassination of Presidential Candidate near Gazahttp://americanbuilt.us/patriots/cynthia-mckinney.shtml On Jan 4, 5:10�pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: Right Mark!! �It is easy to have all these high-minded ideals when you are not the one in the line of fire.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Funny Business in Minnesota
Minnesota Nice will do nicely for the lawyers. We do seem to have a LOT of lawyers and doctors here. On Jan 5, 4:19�pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Strange things keep happening in Minnesota, where the disputed recount in the Senate race between Norm Coleman and Al Franken may be nearing a dubious outcome. Thanks to the machinations of Democratic Secretary of State Mark Ritchie and a meek state Canvassing Board, Mr. Franken may emerge as an illegitimate victor. Mr. Franken started the recount 215 votes behind Senator Coleman, but he now claims a 225-vote lead and suddenly the man who was insisting on counting every vote wants to shut the process down. He's getting help from Mr. Ritchie and his four fellow Canvassing Board members, who have delivered inconsistent rulings and are ignoring glaring problems with the tallies. Under Minnesota law, election officials are required to make a duplicate ballot if the original is damaged during Election Night counting. Officials are supposed to mark these as duplicate and segregate the original ballots. But it appears some officials may have failed to mark ballots as duplicates, which are now being counted in addition to the originals. This helps explain why more than 25 precincts now have more ballots than voters who signed in to vote. By some estimates this double counting has yielded Mr. Franken an additional 80 to 100 votes. This disenfranchises Minnesotans whose vote counted only once. And one Canvassing Board member, State Supreme Court Justice G. Barry Anderson, has acknowledged that very likely there was a double counting. Yet the board insists that it lacks the authority to question local officials and it is merely adding the inflated numbers to the totals. In other cases, the board has been flagrantly inconsistent. Last month, Mr. Franken's campaign charged that one Hennepin County (Minneapolis) precinct had lost 133 votes, since the hand recount showed fewer ballots than machine votes recorded on Election Night. Though there is no proof to this missing vote charge -- officials may have accidentally run the ballots through the machine twice on Election Night -- the Canvassing Board chose to go with the Election Night total, rather than the actual number of ballots in the recount. That decision gave Mr. Franken a gain of 46 votes. Meanwhile, a Ramsey County precinct ended up with 177 more ballots than there were recorded votes on Election Night. In that case, the board decided to go with the extra ballots, rather than the Election Night total, even though the county is now showing more ballots than voters in the precinct. This gave Mr. Franken a net gain of 37 votes, which means he's benefited both ways from the board's inconsistency. And then there are the absentee ballots. The Franken campaign initially howled that some absentee votes had been erroneously rejected by local officials. Counties were supposed to review their absentees and create a list of those they believed were mistakenly rejected. Many Franken-leaning counties did so, submitting 1,350 ballots to include in the results. But many Coleman-leaning counties have yet to complete a re-examination. Despite this lack of uniformity, and though the state Supreme Court has yet to rule on a Coleman request to standardize this absentee review, Mr. Ritchie's office nonetheless plowed through the incomplete pile of 1,350 absentees this weekend, padding Mr. Franken's edge by a further 176 votes. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123111967642552909.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: THE WORLD MUST BREAK THE SIEGE OF GAZA
the siege should end when hamas is eliminated, and not one second before. eliminate the vermin, and you improve the neighborhood. On Jan 6, 6:23 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: It is Israel who has been/is under seige from the entire Arab world after enduring Christian Europe/Russia and America. As if the USSR didn't collapse into class divisions-LOL. On Jan 6, 3:38 am, \Lone Wolf\ phoeni...@gmail.com wrote: Workers throughout the world are outraged by the atrocities being committed by Israel (a proxy of US imperialism), This outrage is further inflamed by governments promulgating the lie that mass murder is in fact self defence. Pressuring imperialist governments or the UN, which is nothing more than a thieves kitchen is futile. This massacre has exposed the class divisions in society and whose interests they serve. Governments and big business support imperialist plunder and the sacrifice of the lives of the working class to secure natural resources and markets for their commodities. Workers have no interest in slaughtering their class brothers; they have nothing to gain by such acts of barbarism and so are horrified by Israeli atrocities. It is clear that the desire for fraternal peace, goodwill and equality is to be found overwhelmingly amongst the world's working class and that the only thing preventing this is the division of the world into competing hostile nation states controlled by a tiny layer of the super rich and their government and union henchmen. This is not a matter of religion or race; it is a matter of diametrically opposed class interests. The mass spontaneous eruption of protests by the world's workers highlights the desire for fraternal unity based on the highest moral principles of respect for the right to life and freedom from oppression and exploitation. The only way--THE ONLY WAY--that the senseless slaughter, especially over the last 100 years, will cease is when the workers unite with their class brothers and sisters and take power into their own hands, rejecting dead end nationalism and bourgeois organizations such as Hama. There is no other way. Workers of the world unite. You have only your chains to lose and a world to win. No god, no country, no master. One world, one human race. On Jan 6, 3:10 pm, Morpheal morpheal.producti...@yahoo.com wrote: GAZA IS HISTORY REPEATING - ANOTHER TOTAL FAILURE OF HUMANITY THE WORLD COMMUNITY MUST BREAK THE SIEGE OF GAZA ONE MILLION FOUR HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOW FACING THE IMMEDIATE DANGER OF IMMANENT PERISHING No one has ever won over a population by a long process of deprivation and harassment, followed by mass brutality, traumatic wounding of bodies and minds, besieging with terror and inflicting death. History has taught that again, and again. Repeating that error is not humanity’s progress, but is in fact its decline. The principle of besieging, depriving, militarily beating, a population always required continued and persistent oppression to guard against their rising up against the oppressors after the fact of that oppression. Nations and empires could subdue, by military means, if they were willing to continue to subdue by intensive military involvement. When that subjugation came to an end, usually due to overextended and strained or failing military resources, the conquering power inevitably failed. We have seen every empire and nation that followed that same pattern of aggressive subjugation fail. None has ever succeeded, in the long term. Each has had to invest an increasing amount of military commitment to continue its subjugation of the growing hatred that came from conquest. Primitive lessons that many “advanced” nations have failed to learn. Some nations have not advanced in their humanity and in terms of their civilization in thousands of years. They still insist that they must repeat the same errors of ancient history. We must also consider that if a gang of criminals (or terrorists) is active in a city we cannot punish the whole city. We know that people in a condition of fear will choose those they see as stronger, often allowing bullies, those perceived as the strongest men in their community, into power. People often feel they have no choice. It is the act of those who have been made too afraid, for too long, and who feel victimized and powerless already. That is when dictators rise up. That is when extremism rises up among a population making it victim. Severe economic hardships, persistent victimization, harassment from another power, a feeling of being consistently oppressed and deprived, kept in a condition of constant and increasing fear about the increasingly uncertain and difficult future, is the socio-economic decay in which political evil begins to grow and thrive. If you add
Re: Pelosi Erases Gingrich's Long-Standing Fairness Rules - Switch From Bi-Partisan To PARTISAN
this is wonderful news for America ! On Jan 5, 3:24 pm, lewc...@aol.com lewc...@aol.com wrote: drudge.com by Connie Hair House Speaker Nancy Pelosi plans to re-write House rules today to ensure that the Republican minority is unable to have any influence on legislation. Pelosi’s proposals are so draconian, and will so polarize the Capitol, that any thought President-elect Obama has of bipartisan cooperation will be rendered impossible before he even takes office. Pelosi’s rule changes -- which may be voted on today -- will reverse the fairness rules that were written around Newt Gingrich’s “Contract with America.” In reaction, the House Republican leadership is sending a letter today to Pelosi to object to changes to House Rules this week that would bar Republicans from offering alternative bills, amendments to Democrat bills or even the guarantee of open debate accessible by motions to recommit for any piece of legislation during the entire 111th Congress. These procedural abuses, as outlined in the below letter obtained by HUMAN EVENTS, would also include the repeal of six-year limit for committee chairmen and other House Rules reform measures enacted in 1995 as part of the Contract with America. After decades of Democrat control of the House of Representatives, gross abuses to the legislative process and several high-profile scandals contributed to an overwhelming Republican House Congressional landslide victory in 1994. Reforms to the House Rules as part of the Contract with America were designed to open up to public scrutiny what had become under this decades-long Democrat majority a dangerously secretive House legislative process. The Republican reform of the way the House did business included opening committee meetings to the public and media, making Congress actually subject to federal law, term limits for committee chairmen ending decades-long committee fiefdoms, truth in budgeting, elimination of the committee proxy vote, authorization of a House audit, specific requirements for blanket rules waivers, and guarantees to the then-Democrat minority party to offer amendments to pieces of legislation. Pelosi’s proposed repeal of decades-long House accountability reforms exposes a tyrannical Democrat leadership poised to assemble legislation in secret, then goose-step it through Congress by the elimination of debate and amendment procedures as part of America’s governing legislative process. Below is the text of the letter on which the House Republican leadership has signed off. January 5, 2009 The Honorable Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the House H-232, U.S. Capitol Washington, D.C. 20515 Dear Madame Speaker, We hope you and your family had a joyful holiday season, and as we begin a new year and a new Congress, we look forward to working with you, our colleagues on both sides of the aisle, and President-elect Obama in tackling the many challenges facing our nation. President Obama has pledged to lead a government that is open and transparent. With that in mind, we are deeply troubled by media reports indicating that the Democratic leadership is poised to repeal reforms put in place in 1995 that were intended to help restore Americans’ trust and confidence in the People’s House. Specifically, these reports note that the Majority, as part of its rules package governing the new Congress, will end six-year term limits for Committee chairs and further restrict the opportunity for all members to offer alternative legislation. This does not represent change; it is reverting back to the undemocratic one-party rule and backroom deals that the American people rejected more than a decade ago. And it has grave implications for the American people and their freedom, coming at a time when an unprecedented expansion of federal power and spending is being hastily planned by a single party behind closed doors. Republicans will vigorously oppose repealing these reforms if they are brought to a vote on the House floor. As you know, after Republicans gained the majority in the House in 1995, our chamber adopted rules to limit the terms of all committee chairs to three terms in order to reward new ideas, innovation, and merit rather than the strict longevity that determined chairmanships in the past. This reform was intended to help restore the faith and trust of the American people in their government – a theme central to President-elect Obama’s campaign last year. He promoted a message of “change,” but Madame Speaker, abolishing term limit reform is the opposite of “change.” Instead, it will entrench a handful of Members of the House in positions of permanent power, with little regard for its impact on the American people. The American people also stand to pay a price if the Majority further shuts down free and open debate on the House floor by refusing to allow all members the opportunity to offer substantive alternatives to
Re: Wind, Waves, and Watts [ the Obama return to sanity has already
girl-killer-fatso-teddy's compound too. ?
what are you talking about ?
On Jan 6, 6:26 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Good Now maybe he can get the wind generators off shore from
girl-killer-fatso-teddy's compound too.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Florida Cracker
littlemike...@gmail.comwrote:
Wind, Waves, and Watts [ the Obama return to sanity has already
begun ]
http://www.truthout.org/010509EA
The steady, strong winds over the Atlantic off New England have
attracted another developer interested in harnessing them for power
generation. A new wrinkle in the proposal by Grays Harbor Ocean
Energy
Company, of Washington state, is that the supports anchoring each
wind
turbine platform to the ocean floor would be designed in a way to
turn
wave action into electricity as well.
For Grays Harbor, this feature serves two purposes: It increases
the likelihood that its platforms will be producing power even when
winds are still, and it qualifies the initial stages of the project
for review by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission instead of the
Minerals Management Service of the Department of the Interior.
Why one federal agency should have supervision over ocean wave
energy and another over ocean wind energy is one of those
governmental
head-scratchers that turn organization charts into mazes. Congress
should resolve the disparity as soon as possible. It should also
facilitate all offshore energy projects by granting the National
Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration increased funds for
seabed surveys.
In the meantime, it is to Grays Harbor's advantage to be seeking
a
preliminary permit from FERC, which is considered more responsive
than
Minerals Management. Although the law giving Minerals Management
authority over offshore wind projects passed in 2005, the agency is
still drawing up regulations for awarding leases and overseeing
projects. It can proceed with oversight of the Cape Wind project on
Nantucket Sound because the 2005 law specifically grandfathered it.
If Grays Harbor gets its preliminary permit from FERC, it will be
able to deploy a platform with a meteorological tower at its proposed
site 12 to 17 miles south of Nantucket. This will provide the wind
and
wave data it needs to determine if the project is feasible. Another
site being looked at is south of Block Island. Grays Harbor's CEO
Burton Hamner likens his three-sided turbine platforms to a big,
triangular footstool. He acknowledges that they have yet to be
tested
in the rough conditions of the Atlantic in depths of up to 200 feet.
If Hamner can bring just one of his New England projects to
fruition, it will make a substantial contribution to the energy grid.
Each site could produce up to 1,000 megawatts, about the output of
the
Seabrook nuclear plant, and an average of 400.
While developers have installed many turbines in the US west, the
nation lags behind Europe in exploiting stronger offshore winds.
Getting regulations in place promptly and investing more in basic
seabed research are two needed steps to encourage this form of
renewable energy.
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Re: Funny Business in Minnesota
Franken can crack up the senators with some dirty jokes while they engage in soiled politics. On Jan 5, 4:19�pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Strange things keep happening in Minnesota, where the disputed recount in the Senate race between Norm Coleman and Al Franken may be nearing a dubious outcome. Thanks to the machinations of Democratic Secretary of State Mark Ritchie and a meek state Canvassing Board, Mr. Franken may emerge as an illegitimate victor. Mr. Franken started the recount 215 votes behind Senator Coleman, but he now claims a 225-vote lead and suddenly the man who was insisting on counting every vote wants to shut the process down. He's getting help from Mr. Ritchie and his four fellow Canvassing Board members, who have delivered inconsistent rulings and are ignoring glaring problems with the tallies. Under Minnesota law, election officials are required to make a duplicate ballot if the original is damaged during Election Night counting. Officials are supposed to mark these as duplicate and segregate the original ballots. But it appears some officials may have failed to mark ballots as duplicates, which are now being counted in addition to the originals. This helps explain why more than 25 precincts now have more ballots than voters who signed in to vote. By some estimates this double counting has yielded Mr. Franken an additional 80 to 100 votes. This disenfranchises Minnesotans whose vote counted only once. And one Canvassing Board member, State Supreme Court Justice G. Barry Anderson, has acknowledged that very likely there was a double counting. Yet the board insists that it lacks the authority to question local officials and it is merely adding the inflated numbers to the totals. In other cases, the board has been flagrantly inconsistent. Last month, Mr. Franken's campaign charged that one Hennepin County (Minneapolis) precinct had lost 133 votes, since the hand recount showed fewer ballots than machine votes recorded on Election Night. Though there is no proof to this missing vote charge -- officials may have accidentally run the ballots through the machine twice on Election Night -- the Canvassing Board chose to go with the Election Night total, rather than the actual number of ballots in the recount. That decision gave Mr. Franken a gain of 46 votes. Meanwhile, a Ramsey County precinct ended up with 177 more ballots than there were recorded votes on Election Night. In that case, the board decided to go with the extra ballots, rather than the Election Night total, even though the county is now showing more ballots than voters in the precinct. This gave Mr. Franken a net gain of 37 votes, which means he's benefited both ways from the board's inconsistency. And then there are the absentee ballots. The Franken campaign initially howled that some absentee votes had been erroneously rejected by local officials. Counties were supposed to review their absentees and create a list of those they believed were mistakenly rejected. Many Franken-leaning counties did so, submitting 1,350 ballots to include in the results. But many Coleman-leaning counties have yet to complete a re-examination. Despite this lack of uniformity, and though the state Supreme Court has yet to rule on a Coleman request to standardize this absentee review, Mr. Ritchie's office nonetheless plowed through the incomplete pile of 1,350 absentees this weekend, padding Mr. Franken's edge by a further 176 votes. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123111967642552909.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Video: Petraeus is a genius
Video: Petraeus is a genius, says moron who dumped on him repeatedly http://hotair.com/archives/2009/01/05/video-petraeus-is-a-genius-says-moron-who-dumped-on-him-repeatedly/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: THE WORLD MUST BREAK THE SIEGE OF GAZA
It is Israel who has been/is under seige from the entire Arab world after enduring Christian Europe/Russia and America. As if the USSR didn't collapse into class divisions-LOL. On Jan 6, 3:38 am, \Lone Wolf\ phoeni...@gmail.com wrote: Workers throughout the world are outraged by the atrocities being committed by Israel (a proxy of US imperialism), This outrage is further inflamed by governments promulgating the lie that mass murder is in fact self defence. Pressuring imperialist governments or the UN, which is nothing more than a thieves kitchen is futile. This massacre has exposed the class divisions in society and whose interests they serve. Governments and big business support imperialist plunder and the sacrifice of the lives of the working class to secure natural resources and markets for their commodities. Workers have no interest in slaughtering their class brothers; they have nothing to gain by such acts of barbarism and so are horrified by Israeli atrocities. It is clear that the desire for fraternal peace, goodwill and equality is to be found overwhelmingly amongst the world's working class and that the only thing preventing this is the division of the world into competing hostile nation states controlled by a tiny layer of the super rich and their government and union henchmen. This is not a matter of religion or race; it is a matter of diametrically opposed class interests. The mass spontaneous eruption of protests by the world's workers highlights the desire for fraternal unity based on the highest moral principles of respect for the right to life and freedom from oppression and exploitation. The only way--THE ONLY WAY--that the senseless slaughter, especially over the last 100 years, will cease is when the workers unite with their class brothers and sisters and take power into their own hands, rejecting dead end nationalism and bourgeois organizations such as Hama. There is no other way. Workers of the world unite. You have only your chains to lose and a world to win. No god, no country, no master. One world, one human race. On Jan 6, 3:10 pm, Morpheal morpheal.producti...@yahoo.com wrote: GAZA IS HISTORY REPEATING - ANOTHER TOTAL FAILURE OF HUMANITY THE WORLD COMMUNITY MUST BREAK THE SIEGE OF GAZA ONE MILLION FOUR HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOW FACING THE IMMEDIATE DANGER OF IMMANENT PERISHING No one has ever won over a population by a long process of deprivation and harassment, followed by mass brutality, traumatic wounding of bodies and minds, besieging with terror and inflicting death. History has taught that again, and again. Repeating that error is not humanity’s progress, but is in fact its decline. The principle of besieging, depriving, militarily beating, a population always required continued and persistent oppression to guard against their rising up against the oppressors after the fact of that oppression. Nations and empires could subdue, by military means, if they were willing to continue to subdue by intensive military involvement. When that subjugation came to an end, usually due to overextended and strained or failing military resources, the conquering power inevitably failed. We have seen every empire and nation that followed that same pattern of aggressive subjugation fail. None has ever succeeded, in the long term. Each has had to invest an increasing amount of military commitment to continue its subjugation of the growing hatred that came from conquest. Primitive lessons that many “advanced” nations have failed to learn. Some nations have not advanced in their humanity and in terms of their civilization in thousands of years. They still insist that they must repeat the same errors of ancient history. We must also consider that if a gang of criminals (or terrorists) is active in a city we cannot punish the whole city. We know that people in a condition of fear will choose those they see as stronger, often allowing bullies, those perceived as the strongest men in their community, into power. People often feel they have no choice. It is the act of those who have been made too afraid, for too long, and who feel victimized and powerless already. That is when dictators rise up. That is when extremism rises up among a population making it victim. Severe economic hardships, persistent victimization, harassment from another power, a feeling of being consistently oppressed and deprived, kept in a condition of constant and increasing fear about the increasingly uncertain and difficult future, is the socio-economic decay in which political evil begins to grow and thrive. If you add more of the same decay, the way one adds manure to a farm field, you can expect more growth. In the instance of political evil. The people / remain the victims of circumstances that they themselves did not cause, and cannot themselves find any ways
Re: Australian Jewish Group condemns ongong Israeli military attacks on Gaza
On Jan 5, 4:02�pm, AmericanBuilt.us i...@americanbuilt.us wrote: How about the point of view from CHILDREN UNDER FIRE (both sides). you'll never see these horror movies on domestic TV... ISRAELI CHILDREN:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPExzYSPXjc Gaza is a small strip 10x50 miles with 1.5M people (half are refugees - most are starving to death). 62 women and children minimal figure of 420+ slaughtered last week in gaza? how would you feel if this was your 2 year-old daughter living in gaza? i'm afraid of israeli planes rockets.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttG0r4oR7a4 my clothes smell like gasolinehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwCTZsK_qEc kids handle spent du shells. when children saw that i was interested in the spent bullets scattered on the floors, they brought them to me by the handful.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOvlYQvRYFE no wonder they won't let journalists enter gaza Americans are very confused about the differences between jews, israelis, and ZIONISTShttp://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/http://www.nkusa.org/ Attempted Assassination of Presidential Candidate near Gazahttp://americanbuilt.us/patriots/cynthia-mckinney.shtml On Jan 4, 5:10�pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: Right Mark!! �It is easy to have all these high-minded ideals when you are not the one in the line of fire.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
where's the fairness doctrine? nbc bans Coulter
they banned her because she is too critical of nobama. there you have it folks, the new unfair and unbalanced journalism. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: It takes real stupidity to blame it on Israel
and that is why the libs blame Israel. stupidity. On Jan 6, 6:56 am, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: A Conflict Hamas Caused By Richard Cohen Tuesday, January 6, 2009; A13 Nearly a year ago, I was in the southern Israeli city of Sderot, where, on almost any day, you could see the current war coming. The next Middle East war may start over Sderot, I wrote back then. I came by my prescience the hard way -- in a bomb shelter. That day, three Qassam rockets had hit the city. It took no genius to see the imminence of war. It takes real stupidity to blame it on Israel. On some days, dozens of rockets fell on Sderot. A blimp hovered over the town, and when it electronically spied an incoming rocket, the sirens went off. In Sderot, the sirens were virtually a single, long wail on some days. Everyone took shelter because shelters are everywhere -- a constant reminder of the nearness of death or, at the very least, destruction. Even a dud can bust through the roof of a house. I get the impression that Israel is expected to put up with this. The implied message from demonstrators and some opinion columnists is that this is the price Israel is supposed to pay for being, I suppose, Israel. I am informed by a Palestinian journalist in a Post op-ed that Israel is trying to stop amateur rockets from nagging the residents of some of its southern cities. In Sderot, I saw homes nagged to smithereens. While I was reading the online version of the Israeli newspaper Haaretz for all the latest news about the war, a pop-up ad announced itself: Camp Kimama, Israel, 2009 -- What childhood memories should be made of. The picture shows kids frolicking in the water. Placed next to stories about battle, it was a jarring -- but vivid -- statement of war aims: the expectation of normal life. The CIA's World Factbook says that Israel has a population of 7,112,359. Of these, about 5,434,000 are Jews. That includes 187,000 settlers in the West Bank, about 20,000 in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights bordering Syria, and about 175,000 in East Jerusalem. It does not include, however, the approximately 750,000 Israelis living in the United States -- some for a brief amount of time, some for an extended period, some permanently. For a variety of reasons -- and often with considerable pain -- they have given up on the country of their birth. As the leaders of Hamas understand, the war in Gaza is about Israel's incessant fight to be a normal country. Maybe that's impossible. The war between Arab and Jew predates the founding of Israel in 1948. For the Palestinians, it is a fierce fight for Arab justice, for Arab pride, for Arab myth -- for ancestral houses and orange groves that few living have ever seen. For Israel, it is so kids can swim in a lake. Three years ago, Israel pulled out of the Gaza Strip. Good, the world said. Next, pull out of the West Bank, the world said. But then Hamas, which has vowed to destroy Israel, won the election in Gaza. Sderot soon became hell. The West Bank is controlled by Fatah, the moderate Palestinian organization, which once had control of Gaza, too. If Israel withdraws from the West Bank, will rockets come from there? If you lived in Tel Aviv, a spit from the West Bank, would you take the chance? Anyone could have seen this war coming. The diplomats and demonstrators who are now so engaged in the problem and the process were nowhere to be found when rockets began raining down on southern Israel. The border between Gaza and Egypt is riddled with tunnels -- some for food, some for weapons. The international monitors that are so evidently needed now were just as evidently needed then. Conventional wisdom says that when Israel went into Lebanon in 2006, it lost that war. Hezbollah stood up to the mighty Israeli army; Israel could not muzzle Hezbollah's rockets. That may not be the way Hezbollah sees things, however. After the war, its leader, Hassan Nasrallah, said he had miscalculated. He was not prepared for the fury of the Israeli attack. He apologized. Now, Hezbollah takes no role in the current war. It will be back, but it still has wounds to lick. The horrors of war are not to be dismissed or demeaned. In 2006, Israel accidentally killed 28 civilians in the Lebanese village of Qana when it attempted to take out a nearby rocket site. In Gaza, innocent Palestinians are being killed. The suffering is great and cannot be ignored. But what has been ignored is the series of events that led to this war. Anyone could see how it was going to start. As always, though, it's a lot harder to see how it ends. coh...@washpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/05/AR200... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see
Re: ny voters want cuomo not kennedy
It might be pressure from Obama who gained a great deal from the Kennedy's endorsement. Obama is also paying back the Clintons.//States are also asking the federal government for a bailout to ease their debt. I am sure Patterson is thinking of this primarily while Caroline effuses her Valley Girl you know's On Jan 6, 5:33�am, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: 58% want cuomo to be appointed senator, not kennedy. �and yet patterson is still suppose to appoint her, which brings up my point again. �what has she promised him in order to get this appointment? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Why should officers risk their lives?
Why should officers risk their lives? By Bob Weir Last week, Pennsylvania Republican Congressman Charlie Dent became another influential voice calling on President Bush to pardon two former border patrol agents convicted of shooting an unarmed drug smuggler who was trying to escape across the US-Mexico border. Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean are serving more than 10 years each for shooting Osvaldo Davila in the buttocks while he was fleeing from an abandoned van loaded with 750 pounds of marijuana. The officers, pleading not guilty, argued that they thought Davila, a Mexican with a record of drug smuggling, was armed. Nevertheless, they were convicted two years ago in federal court in Texas of assault, civil rights violations and trying to cover up the shooting. In fact, the officers were unaware that the suspect was shot because he made good his escape across the border the night of the incident. Davila, given full immunity for his testimony, was the witness that convicted them. It's bad enough to be convicted on the word of someone you know to be a drug smuggler, but it's even worse when you're sent to prison to do time with other drug smugglers, some of whom you put there yourself. To add more outrage to this pitiful display of injustice, Davila later pleaded guilty to smuggling following another incident and also was sentenced to 10 years in prison. His incarceration is a lot cozier than that being experienced by the former border guards. When inmates found out who they are, they were severely beaten before being removed to a safer unit. This is one of those cases in which people of sound mind wonder what in the world is going on in this country. How can you expect law enforcement officers to do their jobs if they risk prison time on the word of criminals they are paid to protect us from? Case in point: last month, just south of Tucson, Arizona, Mexican drug smugglers unloaded $1 million in drugs across the US border and fired automatic weapons at Border Patrol agents. The agents did not return fire because they fear losing their jobs or ending up behind bars like Ramos and Compean. Can you blame them? During the trial, an Assistant US Attorney told the court that the agents had violated an unarmed man's (Davila's) civil rights. How they could prove he was unarmed is beyond imagination since he left the scene and wasn't heard from until he became a witness against the same men who have the duty to keep him from being where he was in the first place. Furthermore, agent Ramos testified that he heard shots and saw his partner, Compean, on the ground. Then he saw Davila turn toward him, pointing what appeared to be a gun. Ramos fired at Davila, but was unaware that the man was hit because he watched him continue running and jump into a waiting van and flee across the border. Notwithstanding the ludicrous nature of having an illegal alien drug smuggler be responsible for putting 2 border patrol agents in prison, this case underscores the serious disconnect between those who face crime in the real world and those who read about it in the safety and security of a law library. The imprisonment of these 2 men is more than a national disgrace; it's an example of a country that has lost its will to survive. When we put lawmen in prison based on the word of the lawless, how interested are the lawmen going to be in risking their lives for us? In essence, these 2 agents are in prison because they didn't follow procedure. What people like the Asst. US Attorney will never understand is that it's a lot easier to follow procedure in the orderly, civilized and well lit atmosphere of a courtroom than it is during a violent struggle against desperate people in the dark of night. Others have been pardoned or had their sentences commuted and they were not acting in the public interest when their crimes were committed. If Ramos and Compean are guilty of anything, it's breaking some procedural rules while performing a dangerous job during the heat of the chase. If there was ever a valid reason for a presidential pardon, this case screams in high pitched decibels for it, if only to prove that there is some sanity left in this rapidly declining culture. Only the President has the power to correct this terribly cruel injustice. Let's pray he exercises that power before these men are murdered in their cells. Bob Weir is a former detective sergeant in the New York City Police Department. He is the executive editor of The News Connection in Highland Village, Texas. Email Bob. Page Printed from: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/01/why_should_officers_risk_their.html at January 06, 2009 - 07:12:18 AM EST --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/
It takes real stupidity to blame it on Israel
A Conflict Hamas Caused By Richard Cohen Tuesday, January 6, 2009; A13 Nearly a year ago, I was in the southern Israeli city of Sderot, where, on almost any day, you could see the current war coming. The next Middle East war may start over Sderot, I wrote back then. I came by my prescience the hard way -- in a bomb shelter. That day, three Qassam rockets had hit the city. It took no genius to see the imminence of war. It takes real stupidity to blame it on Israel. On some days, dozens of rockets fell on Sderot. A blimp hovered over the town, and when it electronically spied an incoming rocket, the sirens went off. In Sderot, the sirens were virtually a single, long wail on some days. Everyone took shelter because shelters are everywhere -- a constant reminder of the nearness of death or, at the very least, destruction. Even a dud can bust through the roof of a house. I get the impression that Israel is expected to put up with this. The implied message from demonstrators and some opinion columnists is that this is the price Israel is supposed to pay for being, I suppose, Israel. I am informed by a Palestinian journalist in a Post op-ed that Israel is trying to stop amateur rockets from nagging the residents of some of its southern cities. In Sderot, I saw homes nagged to smithereens. While I was reading the online version of the Israeli newspaper Haaretz for all the latest news about the war, a pop-up ad announced itself: Camp Kimama, Israel, 2009 -- What childhood memories should be made of. The picture shows kids frolicking in the water. Placed next to stories about battle, it was a jarring -- but vivid -- statement of war aims: the expectation of normal life. The CIA's World Factbook says that Israel has a population of 7,112,359. Of these, about 5,434,000 are Jews. That includes 187,000 settlers in the West Bank, about 20,000 in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights bordering Syria, and about 175,000 in East Jerusalem. It does not include, however, the approximately 750,000 Israelis living in the United States -- some for a brief amount of time, some for an extended period, some permanently. For a variety of reasons -- and often with considerable pain -- they have given up on the country of their birth. As the leaders of Hamas understand, the war in Gaza is about Israel's incessant fight to be a normal country. Maybe that's impossible. The war between Arab and Jew predates the founding of Israel in 1948. For the Palestinians, it is a fierce fight for Arab justice, for Arab pride, for Arab myth -- for ancestral houses and orange groves that few living have ever seen. For Israel, it is so kids can swim in a lake. Three years ago, Israel pulled out of the Gaza Strip. Good, the world said. Next, pull out of the West Bank, the world said. But then Hamas, which has vowed to destroy Israel, won the election in Gaza. Sderot soon became hell. The West Bank is controlled by Fatah, the moderate Palestinian organization, which once had control of Gaza, too. If Israel withdraws from the West Bank, will rockets come from there? If you lived in Tel Aviv, a spit from the West Bank, would you take the chance? Anyone could have seen this war coming. The diplomats and demonstrators who are now so engaged in the problem and the process were nowhere to be found when rockets began raining down on southern Israel. The border between Gaza and Egypt is riddled with tunnels -- some for food, some for weapons. The international monitors that are so evidently needed now were just as evidently needed then. Conventional wisdom says that when Israel went into Lebanon in 2006, it lost that war. Hezbollah stood up to the mighty Israeli army; Israel could not muzzle Hezbollah's rockets. That may not be the way Hezbollah sees things, however. After the war, its leader, Hassan Nasrallah, said he had miscalculated. He was not prepared for the fury of the Israeli attack. He apologized. Now, Hezbollah takes no role in the current war. It will be back, but it still has wounds to lick. The horrors of war are not to be dismissed or demeaned. In 2006, Israel accidentally killed 28 civilians in the Lebanese village of Qana when it attempted to take out a nearby rocket site. In Gaza, innocent Palestinians are being killed. The suffering is great and cannot be ignored. But what has been ignored is the series of events that led to this war. Anyone could see how it was going to start. As always, though, it's a lot harder to see how it ends. coh...@washpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/05/AR2009010502343_pf.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and
Re: THE WORLD MUST BREAK THE SIEGE OF GAZA
The World isn't going to do a thing about Gaza. The world is too cowardly to save itself - sa nothing of Gaza. The World depended upon George W. Bush to save the World from any problems, while the World showed its thanks to Bush by ripping him to shreds. On Jan 6, 6:42 am, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the siege should end when hamas is eliminated, and not one second before. eliminate the vermin, and you improve the neighborhood. On Jan 6, 6:23 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: It is Israel who has been/is under seige from the entire Arab world after enduring Christian Europe/Russia and America. As if the USSR didn't collapse into class divisions-LOL. On Jan 6, 3:38 am, \Lone Wolf\ phoeni...@gmail.com wrote: Workers throughout the world are outraged by the atrocities being committed by Israel (a proxy of US imperialism), This outrage is further inflamed by governments promulgating the lie that mass murder is in fact self defence. Pressuring imperialist governments or the UN, which is nothing more than a thieves kitchen is futile. This massacre has exposed the class divisions in society and whose interests they serve. Governments and big business support imperialist plunder and the sacrifice of the lives of the working class to secure natural resources and markets for their commodities. Workers have no interest in slaughtering their class brothers; they have nothing to gain by such acts of barbarism and so are horrified by Israeli atrocities. It is clear that the desire for fraternal peace, goodwill and equality is to be found overwhelmingly amongst the world's working class and that the only thing preventing this is the division of the world into competing hostile nation states controlled by a tiny layer of the super rich and their government and union henchmen. This is not a matter of religion or race; it is a matter of diametrically opposed class interests. The mass spontaneous eruption of protests by the world's workers highlights the desire for fraternal unity based on the highest moral principles of respect for the right to life and freedom from oppression and exploitation. The only way--THE ONLY WAY--that the senseless slaughter, especially over the last 100 years, will cease is when the workers unite with their class brothers and sisters and take power into their own hands, rejecting dead end nationalism and bourgeois organizations such as Hama. There is no other way. Workers of the world unite. You have only your chains to lose and a world to win. No god, no country, no master. One world, one human race. On Jan 6, 3:10 pm, Morpheal morpheal.producti...@yahoo.com wrote: GAZA IS HISTORY REPEATING - ANOTHER TOTAL FAILURE OF HUMANITY THE WORLD COMMUNITY MUST BREAK THE SIEGE OF GAZA ONE MILLION FOUR HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOW FACING THE IMMEDIATE DANGER OF IMMANENT PERISHING No one has ever won over a population by a long process of deprivation and harassment, followed by mass brutality, traumatic wounding of bodies and minds, besieging with terror and inflicting death. History has taught that again, and again. Repeating that error is not humanity’s progress, but is in fact its decline. The principle of besieging, depriving, militarily beating, a population always required continued and persistent oppression to guard against their rising up against the oppressors after the fact of that oppression. Nations and empires could subdue, by military means, if they were willing to continue to subdue by intensive military involvement. When that subjugation came to an end, usually due to overextended and strained or failing military resources, the conquering power inevitably failed. We have seen every empire and nation that followed that same pattern of aggressive subjugation fail. None has ever succeeded, in the long term. Each has had to invest an increasing amount of military commitment to continue its subjugation of the growing hatred that came from conquest. Primitive lessons that many “advanced” nations have failed to learn. Some nations have not advanced in their humanity and in terms of their civilization in thousands of years. They still insist that they must repeat the same errors of ancient history. We must also consider that if a gang of criminals (or terrorists) is active in a city we cannot punish the whole city. We know that people in a condition of fear will choose those they see as stronger, often allowing bullies, those perceived as the strongest men in their community, into power. People often feel they have no choice. It is the act of those who have been made too afraid, for too long, and who feel victimized and powerless already. That is when dictators rise up. That is when extremism
Re: Help Gaza
what's wrong is that YOU don't have a clue about what's going on in gaza because YOUR dumb-box forgot to tell you and YOUR newspapers forgot to print it and YOUR CHICKENSHIT president/elect forgot to tell you. i guess you're on your own. On Jan 5, 4:57 pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the best help gaza can get is for all the terrorists to be eliminated, and the whole place leveled. a clean slate would be best. best for whom, moron? for Gaza? for their helpless children? the israelis ARE the terrorists. only a brainwashed moron would state differently. therefore you should choose your words more carefully. remember what YOUR hero wurmser said about Ahmadinejad when she CLAIMED that is almost exactly what he said. of course meyrav had to lie project falsehoods upon him before she could 'prosecute', as do most war criminals. there are 1.5 MILLION people in gaza. half are refugees. they have no food, dirty water, their CLEAN clothes smell like gasoline. kids are being killed on school buses, in mosques, NINE ambulances were TARGETED last week! what if they were YOUR KIDS? or YOUR MOM? or YOU? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwCTZsK_qEc you could never possibly comprehend because you're obviously only capable of feeling YOUR OWN pain. On Jan 5, 5:31 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: More leftist conspiracy tripe. Are you Doc's brother? Cousin? Doc? do you have something against educated people? no blood relation, but i know who Doc is; and he REMEMBERS who i am. that's funny though because i actually thought you BOTH were mark based on the ASSumption that everyone ELSE is a 'left-wing conspiracy nut'. i also noticed he changed his name - probably after being banned for being a tunnel-visioned idiot that is hell bent on civil war doesn't care about any1 but himself. you'll learn that people who DETER intelligent conversation don't get much respect in these groups. - Original Message - From: AmericanBuilt.us i...@americanbuilt.us To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 04:53 Subject: Re: Help Gaza Bullshit. ISRAEL ADMITTED to establishing hamas. In a statement to the Israeli Parliament's (the Knesset) Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee on Monday February 12th 2007, Israeli Prime minister Ehud Olmert said Netanyahu established Hamas, gave it life, freed Sheikh Yassin and gave him the opportunity to blossom. Americans aren't supposed to know this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPExzYSPXjc Gaza is a small strip 10x50 miles with 1.5M people (half are refugees - most are starving to death). 62 women and children minimal figure of 420+ slaughtered last week in gaza? how would you feel if this was your 2 year-old daughter living in gaza? i'm afraid of israeli planes rockets.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttG0r4oR7a4 my clothes smell like gasolinehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwCTZsK_qEc kids handle spent du shells. when children saw that i was interested in the spent bullets scattered on the floors, they brought them to me by the handful.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOvlYQvRYFE Americans are very confused about the differences between jews, israelis, and ZIONISTShttp://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/http://www.nkusa.org/ Attempted Assasination in Gaza 12/30/2008http://americanbuilt.us/patriots/cynthia-mckinney.shtml --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Obama Is Bush III
From: Travis Subject: Obama Is Bush III Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, *Obama Is Bush III *by Kevin R. C. Gutzman The 2003 invasion of Iraq was sold to the public at the time as being justified in part by Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's possession of weapons of mass destruction and his harboring of al Qaeda terrorists. In the wake of the Bush Administration' s 2003 invasion of Iraq, word leaked out that several prominent figures around Bush long had wanted to invade Iraq; for them, 9/11 was the perfect cover, and the WMD and al Qaeda arguments mere window dressing. By the time the world knew the justifications were false, Iraq had been conquered and Saddam had been removed. President-elect Barack Obama now says that he is going to reverse the current course of the US economy. This contraction, largely the result of the popping of the Fed-induced housing bubble, would come to a natural end in a matter of months anyway. That's how the market works: if there is a government-induced binge, the fever breaks and the patient can return to health. But the average American has been brought up to believe that good economic times are the results of proper government policy, and that bad times result from its absence. Like some 18th-century physician with a bag full of leaches, knives, glasses, purgatives, and emetics to leach, bleed, burn, and blister a sick man before inducing diarrhea and making him vomit, government hovers over the American economy, eager to make him sick in the name of restoring his health. We have seen the same scenario play out many times in American history. The finest medical care available in America killed poor George Washington in 1799, and the latest economic voodoo caused the recession of 1929 to last a decade and one-half. When finally the government laid off the taxpayer and the business owner in 1945, the US economy boomed. What a remarkable example of statesmanship! The lesson historians drew was that not only was Franklin Roosevelt, the bleeder and blisterer who had stretched the previous recession to seven times the normal length of an American recession, a great statesman, but so was Harry Truman! Barack Obama, it seems, wants to be judged in the same way. His soon-to-be-predeces sor, George W. Bush, has emulated Herbert Hoover in responding to the current contraction with a spate of inapt federal measures: nearly $1,000,000,000, 000 in handouts of newly-printed dollars to US banks and insurance companies have yielded no discernable result. In fact, federal oversight appears to have been totally absent, as the same inept colossi whose institutions tottered on the brink of insolvency before this great looting of the taxpayer now claim not to know where the money went. What to make of this? Why, that more of it is needed, of course. Thus, $17,000,000, 000 was handed over by Bush and his minions to insolvent American automobile manufacturers. No moral, philosophical, or constitutional justification of handing, say, GM – with a current value of –$60B (that is, negative sixty billion dollars) – a few billion was even attempted. No one said how this loan would make the great Midwestern dinosaur solvent. Why not? My prognostication? Because it won't. All this act of statesmanship has done is keep GM in business so that GM can demand more money from the government in a few months. And more a few months after that. And more a few months after that. The calculations here are almost entirely those of brute politics. GM is too big to fail. That is, its unions control so many votes that they, like plains-state senators demanding agricultural subsidies, can twist this gift out of the taxpayer. Comes word now that the steel companies are lining up at the trough. Surely the paleoconservatives will muster the same arguments in their favor as served so well in the case of the Big Three: great countries manufacture their own steel; steel workers are highly paid; some of them were navy SEALs; my sister doesn't want her husband to lose his job at the steel plant; and (the only one that really matters) if the Republicans don't join the Democrats in this measure, highly organized and politically mobilized steel workers will vote Democratic forevermore. I predicted that the Big Three would get our money. I predict that other decrepit industries will follow. AIG spent part of its federal gift on lavish retreats for senior executives. Chrysler put some of its taxpayer loan into advertising to thank taxpayers. This obscenity was rather akin to Stalin thanking the kulaks for their land. Barack Obama just announced that he plans to have the federal government resolve the economic problem in part by modernizing libraries and offering tax reductions to workers. The library gambit is all about pork-barrel politics: every substantial community has a library, and so a measure like that will mean a federal expenditure in every congressman's district. Since the early nineteenth-century days of Henry
Re: where's the fairness doctrine? nbc bans Coulter
have you forgot lower case mark that Ronnie ray gun killed it ? but what the hell she can just buy her own net work and go on the air anytime she wants isn't that what you guys believe is free speech ? On Jan 6, 6:56 am, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: they banned her because she is too critical of nobama. there you have it folks, the new unfair and unbalanced journalism. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in on Gaza City http://www.truthout.org/010509B Dion Nissenbaum, McClatchy Newspapers: Israeli forces began to close in on Gaza City Monday, ordering families in outlying towns and neighborhoods to flee, as world leaders launched a renewed push to bring the 10-day-old conflict to a swift end. Medical officials in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip said Monday that 523 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli attacks, including 111 children. That marks a dramatic spike from the early days of Israeli air strikes that primarily targeted Hamas-dominated police stations, government buildings, mosques the Israeli military said were being used to store weapons, and the homes of Hamas leaders. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Good Grief: The Endless Soap Opera Will be Back in 2012? Palin Ready
Good Grief: The Endless Soap Opera Will be Back in 2012? Palin Ready to Challenge Obama in 2012? Days of Our Palin Lives Continues. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article54... The 44-year-old governor is already facing conflicting pressures to map out a strategy that would give her a bigger voice in national affairs without alienating Alaskan voters, some of whom are already complaining that Palin has “not been paying attention” to the state’s mounting problems. “Palin’s mindset is still all about the campaign rhetoric and her national aspirations,” said Andrew Halcro, a former rival turned Anchorage radio chat show host. “She has no clue what is going on in her own administration.” Even before election day last November there had been feverish speculation in Anchorage that Palin was considering a run for the US Senate seat that was then likely to be vacated by Ted Stevens. He had been convicted last year on charges of corruption and faces a possible jail sentence. Such a move would have brought Palin to Washington this year, where Republican heavyweights would have had plenty of time to strengthen her grasp of both domestic and international issues. The plan collapsed when Stevens refused to resign, ran again for reelection and was beaten by Mark Begich, the Democratic mayor of Anchorage. Palin supporters promptly set their sights on Alaska’s other senatorial seat, currently held by Lisa Murkowski, the governor’s Republican colleague. There has been bad blood between the Palins and the Murkowskis ever since Frank, Lisa’s father, gave up his previous job as senator to become Palin’s predecessor as governor in 2002. Alaska was outraged when Frank promptly exercised his powers as governor to appoint his daughter to the senatorial seat. Palin eventually profited from the nepotism row, challenging Murkowski Sr and ousting him as governor in 2006. Some of her supporters believe she should now do the same to Lisa, keeping herself in the national spotlight and getting to Washington in 2010. The Palin camp has since denied that it ever intended to challenge Murkowski and most analysts have concluded that it would be foolish for the governor to risk a bloody Senate battle if her real aim is to run for the White House two years later. “If she were to kind of move me over. . . to run fornational office again,” said Lisa Murkowski, “I don’t know if Alaskans would look too favourably on that.” The dilemma for Palin is that she needs a period of serious policy accomplishment to counter the relentless barrage of mockery that is shadowing her every move. One end-of-year award that Palin probably regrets went to Tina Fey, the late-night TV comedian who impersonated her. In the widely reported list of the most memorable quotations of 2008, Fey was adjudged the winner for the line she used to mock Palin’s claim that Alaska’s proximity to Russia somehow made her an expert on Moscow. Fey-as-Palin joked: “I can see Russia from my house.” Palin must now strike a delicate balance between dealing with the mundane chores of managing the state budget, which is heavily dependent on oil and gas revenues, and making herself part of the national debate on issues such as Gaza and Guantanamo, the very mention of which in a Palin context causes many Americans to giggle uncontrollably. Last month Palin found herself addressing local complaints that she does not spend enough time in Juneau, America’s most remote state capital, and that she is happier to give interviews to People magazine than to the Alaskan press corps. She hardly helped herself last week when, four days after her spokesman had declared that she would “not be issuing any statements” about Bristol’s baby, she issued a statement declaring herself “over the moon”. She was also at pains to point out that Levi Johnston is not a high- school drop-out, as has been widely reported, but is pursuing an online high-school course while working as an apprentice electrician in the Alaskan oil fields. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: why is it libs never condemn terrorists???
define murder please. Cause i'll tell ya what if some asshole sets up a rocket launcher inside a day care center I could bomb the place with a clear concious. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the murder of civilian men women and children during any conflict by armed militias is a war crime and an act of terrorism no mater who does it ! On Jan 5, 6:03 pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: libs are all over Israel for defending herself. just read all the crap poswted here by the libs.yet a woman terrorist blew herself up killing people at a mosque in iraq. the silence is deafening. the attacks in India by terrorists is followed by what? nothing from the libs. terrorists lob rocket into Israel every day, and yet according to libs, it is Israels fault. terrorists kill more and more people everyday, and no condemnation from the left. I guess it is safe to assume that since there is no outcry against the terrorists, that must mean that the libs must have no problems with the terrorists. and somehow this should come as no surprise. -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: why is it libs never condemn terrorists???
don't you mean a black day care center ? On Jan 6, 8:37 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: define murder please. Cause i'll tell ya what if some asshole sets up a rocket launcher inside a day care center I could bomb the place with a clear concious. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the murder of civilian men women and children during any conflict by armed militias is a war crime and an act of terrorism no mater who does it ! On Jan 5, 6:03 pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: libs are all over Israel for defending herself. just read all the crap poswted here by the libs. yet a woman terrorist blew herself up killing people at a mosque in iraq. the silence is deafening. the attacks in India by terrorists is followed by what? nothing from the libs. terrorists lob rocket into Israel every day, and yet according to libs, it is Israels fault. terrorists kill more and more people everyday, and no condemnation from the left. I guess it is safe to assume that since there is no outcry against the terrorists, that must mean that the libs must have no problems with the terrorists. and somehow this should come as no surprise. -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Obama's Justice nominees signal end of Bush terror tactics
tObama's Justice nominees signal end of Bush terror tactics www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/59012.html Obama's picks contrast with Bush's selection of Gonzales, who lacked Justice Department experience. Since stepping down as attorney general in September 2007, Gonzales has yet to find a job. Without referencing Gonzales, Dellinger said that Obama's four picks are great lawyers who have terrific jobs they can go back to and the strength to be a strong, independent voice for the law. They are not people who will be easily pushed around. Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the University of California-Irvine law school, praised them as highly professional, experienced lawyers who are not partisans. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Ok, Mark, here's your slang thread
Like I said language must PROGRESS, use of slang terms are fine.. yep here it comes again. Let's NOT be Politically Correct. When you choose to freely adopt the terms invented by the stupid, the illiterate, and the lazy assholes of the world that sell the innercity drugs, that do not attend school that are too lazy to get a job, that do most of the murdering, mayhem, and other shit that makes you cringe on a daily basis, that cause entire areas of cities to be so violent the cops won't respond and taxis won't go at night, that leave the needles in the parks... When you adopt the terms put forth by the scum of the earth you IN ESSENCE DO SAY 'YOUR LIFESTYLE AND THAT WHICH YOU DO BOTH TO YOUR SELF AND OTHERS IN SOCIETY AS A WHOLE IS FINE, WE WILL ADOPT YOUR LIFE STYLE TO OUR OWN., YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHANGE, WE LIKE YOU AND WHAT YOU STAND FOR. To them you are saying this loudly, to you it is a small concession and of little importance. There ARE some cases where appearances count.. this is one. Life is a series that starts with baby steps. It is a baby step in the wrong direction. So, if you want to use that cool (see definition 3, below) nigger slang and give credence to societies scum, do so, just remember that by doing so you support them and the style in which they live and force you, or others to live. Main Entry: nig·ger Pronunciation: \ˈni-gər\ Function: noun Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger Date: 1786 1usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person 2usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark- skinned race 3: a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons it's time for somebody to lead all of America's niggers…all the people who feel left out of the political process — Ron Dellums usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry. and no, not all people of color are niggers and yes, you can be white and be one as well. On Jan 5, 10:30 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Back atcha! oops On Jan 5, 11:18 pm, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote: hehehe. You go girl! ;-) On Jan 5, 8:45 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: That is a bit hardcore. I've always been one to correct others on the proper use of the language. However, I do allow for colloquialisms and yes, even slang, but only in the proper environment. I would never use slang while at work or giving a presentation. There is a time and a place for everything. Language is a living, changing thing that must evolve as society evolves. New words are added to official dictionaries every year to reflect a changing society. This even includes peeps:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/peepsThis doesn't make it part of the proper King's English, but very little of our language is like that anymore. How many times have you put a preposition at the end of a sentence? It's easy to do: What's that for? is a common example. Did you feel that I just pissed on my education and salary by uttering that grammatically-incorrect phrase? No, it's just easier to say and has become part of the common usage. Have you ever said ain't? If so, did you feel you were tacitly approving of poor, redneck Southerners, who commonly use that word? I don't. Slang words and even sentence arrangement help define who we are, and each of us is an individual. If someone chooses to use peeps in casual conversation, so be it. Sometimes a slang word fits just right when nothing else will. And I ain't changing my mind! On Jan 5, 10:35 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: From TAO: WNCS, I know this is after the fact and its probably for the best. I believe that any language must progress to stay alive and pertinent. That said, I also believe that to use slang that is based solely in illiterate and or under/un-educated abilities is to give credence to that particular sub-culture and what they don't accomplish with their lives but do steal and soak from yours. You have through the Grace of whatever God that exists a FREE education system, books included Why in Gods name would any right thinking person (and all acts have far reaching consequences) tacitly support a group or groups sole claim to fame.. lack of the ability to take advantage of one of societies greatest gifts. You may as well spit on your salary, piss on the school and burn some books because in time that will be the equivalent
Re: why is it libs never condemn terrorists???
I don't care what color its painted. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: don't you mean a black day care center ? On Jan 6, 8:37 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: define murder please. Cause i'll tell ya what if some asshole sets up a rocket launcher inside a day care center I could bomb the place with a clear concious. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the murder of civilian men women and children during any conflict by armed militias is a war crime and an act of terrorism no mater who does it ! On Jan 5, 6:03 pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: libs are all over Israel for defending herself. just read all the crap poswted here by the libs.yet a woman terrorist blew herself up killing people at a mosque in iraq. the silence is deafening. the attacks in India by terrorists is followed by what? nothing from the libs. terrorists lob rocket into Israel every day, and yet according to libs, it is Israels fault. terrorists kill more and more people everyday, and no condemnation from the left. I guess it is safe to assume that since there is no outcry against the terrorists, that must mean that the libs must have no problems with the terrorists. and somehow this should come as no surprise. -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Why Liberals Support Islamic Terrorism
From: Travis Subject: Why Liberals Support Islamic Terrorism Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, *Why Liberals Support Islamic Terrorism*http://www.mideasttruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8824start=0postdays=0postorder=aschighlight=sid=49317025f510e6a4ac13a2c8811a16e7 By David Barrett http://www.mideasttruth.com/forum/posting.php?mode=replyt=8824sid=49317025f510e6a4ac13a2c8811a16e7 * * * * http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.orism.htmlhttp://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2009/01/why-liberals-support-islamic-terrorism.html The right of self-defense is the basis of all individual and national freedoms, because if you can't protect yourself, all other rights and freedoms become meaningless. Yet the right of self-defense has been increasingly diminished by liberalism, in favor of grievance based violence. Grievance based violence is random and senselessly vicious. It most often targets civilians for brutal reprisals, and yet it remains beloved by liberals... because its participants are said to be moved by their outrage at oppression. If you've seen an angry mob torching cars or businesses, and assaulting anyone in sight while looting stores-- you've seen the most common example of grievance based violence. This is the sort of violence that characterizes anything from the mobs of the French revolution to mobs across the Muslim world reacting to the Danish cartoons, to the Crown Heights pogrom or the original Russian pogroms or the mobs in South Africa to the Draft Riots of the Civil War. The second most common example of grievance based violence is of course terrorism, which despite being more organized, is grievance based, randomly targeted and senselessly brutal-- while being justified by a sense of grievance and outrage. Where self-defense is targeted and moral, grievance based violence is random in the sense that it lashes out at a general group, rather than acting in direct self-defense. Grievance based violence is also senselessly brutal, from the French mobs parading severed heads, to South Africa's tire neckties, to the pogroms that saw nails gouged into eyes, to the general brutality of terrorist attacks which target civilians-- atrocity is the hallmark of grievance based violence. Why then do liberals prefer Grievance based violence to the right of self-defense? The right of self-defense presumes a right inherent to the individual and the nation. Liberals routinely reject both individual and national rights in favor of group and class rights. Liberals are also biased against acts of rational self-interest, in favor of emotional expressions of outrage. Where self-defense is often defined by liberals as a form of entitlement and class privilege. Grievance based violence by contrast is treated as a response to intolerable oppression, and an expression of the underclass rising up. Since in the liberal worldview, violence is divided into oppressive and revolutionary violence. Oppressive violence is a function of class privilege, where revolutionary violence is a form of revolutionary justice. So that in the liberal calculus, the middle class homeowner protecting his house from a mob, is practicing oppressive violence, while the mob is practicing revolutionary justice. Understanding this is the most vital part of understanding liberal morality, or lack thereof. Class or group status, defines whether violence is legitimate or not, in the eyes of the liberal. (Liberals naturally make exceptions for themselves, as progressives are self-defined as revolutionary, therefore liberal violence is never oppressive to liberals within the same degree of ideology, only potentially to liberals further on the left. Which is why liberals stood behind Clinton's ruthless campaign against Yugoslavia, while those further on the left protested against it. Revolutionary purity defines the right to revolutionary violence. Or by contrast why few liberals were willing to oppose Stalin. The further left you go, the greater your right to carry out revolutionary violence.) Liberals have no problem with violence. They have a problem with violence that does not have a progressive source agenda. They are however willing to shield many forms of violence that are not at all progressive under that umbrella... so long as the violence is directed at a State or group they oppose. This explains why liberals continue to support Islamic terrorism, when it is not at all progressive or liberal. Similarly Communists in the Czarist period, including Jewish Communists, were willing to support Pogroms against Jewish communities, as a form of revolutionary violence... even when the mobs carrying out the violence had nothing in mind beyond anti-semitism and looting, and the pogroms themselves were actually promoted by the Czarist government ; because they believed that opening the door to any peasant violence served to pave the way for an overthrow of the Czarist government. And Tolstoy, one of the architects of modern
Re: why is it libs never condemn terrorists???
nice try sparky ! On Jan 6, 9:16 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: I don't care what color its painted. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: don't you mean a black day care center ? On Jan 6, 8:37 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: define murder please. Cause i'll tell ya what if some asshole sets up a rocket launcher inside a day care center I could bomb the place with a clear concious. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the murder of civilian men women and children during any conflict by armed militias is a war crime and an act of terrorism no mater who does it ! On Jan 5, 6:03 pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: libs are all over Israel for defending herself. just read all the crap poswted here by the libs. yet a woman terrorist blew herself up killing people at a mosque in iraq. the silence is deafening. the attacks in India by terrorists is followed by what? nothing from the libs. terrorists lob rocket into Israel every day, and yet according to libs, it is Israels fault. terrorists kill more and more people everyday, and no condemnation from the left. I guess it is safe to assume that since there is no outcry against the terrorists, that must mean that the libs must have no problems with the terrorists. and somehow this should come as no surprise. -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
That's cause those bastard chickenshit mooseturds use kids as shields.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.comwrote:
Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
on Gaza City
http://www.truthout.org/010509B
Dion Nissenbaum, McClatchy Newspapers: Israeli forces began to close
in on Gaza City Monday, ordering families in outlying towns and
neighborhoods to flee, as world leaders launched a renewed push to
bring the 10-day-old conflict to a swift end. Medical officials in
the
Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip said Monday that 523 Palestinians have
been killed by Israeli attacks, including 111 children. That marks a
dramatic spike from the early days of Israeli air strikes that
primarily targeted Hamas-dominated police stations, government
buildings, mosques the Israeli military said were being used to store
weapons, and the homes of Hamas leaders.
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Re: THE WORLD MUST BREAK THE SIEGE OF GAZA
Just what is happening there that did not happen in that area 5000 years ago and every year or so since ?? Regardless of the players. Until the world leaves it alone to sort out its own problems there will be no peace. On Jan 6, 6:50 am, lewc...@aol.com lewc...@aol.com wrote: The World isn't going to do a thing about Gaza. The world is too cowardly to save itself - sa nothing of Gaza. The World depended upon George W. Bush to save the World from any problems, while the World showed its thanks to Bush by ripping him to shreds. On Jan 6, 6:42 am, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the siege should end when hamas is eliminated, and not one second before. eliminate the vermin, and you improve the neighborhood. On Jan 6, 6:23 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: It is Israel who has been/is under seige from the entire Arab world after enduring Christian Europe/Russia and America. As if the USSR didn't collapse into class divisions-LOL. On Jan 6, 3:38 am, \Lone Wolf\ phoeni...@gmail.com wrote: Workers throughout the world are outraged by the atrocities being committed by Israel (a proxy of US imperialism), This outrage is further inflamed by governments promulgating the lie that mass murder is in fact self defence. Pressuring imperialist governments or the UN, which is nothing more than a thieves kitchen is futile. This massacre has exposed the class divisions in society and whose interests they serve. Governments and big business support imperialist plunder and the sacrifice of the lives of the working class to secure natural resources and markets for their commodities. Workers have no interest in slaughtering their class brothers; they have nothing to gain by such acts of barbarism and so are horrified by Israeli atrocities. It is clear that the desire for fraternal peace, goodwill and equality is to be found overwhelmingly amongst the world's working class and that the only thing preventing this is the division of the world into competing hostile nation states controlled by a tiny layer of the super rich and their government and union henchmen. This is not a matter of religion or race; it is a matter of diametrically opposed class interests. The mass spontaneous eruption of protests by the world's workers highlights the desire for fraternal unity based on the highest moral principles of respect for the right to life and freedom from oppression and exploitation. The only way--THE ONLY WAY--that the senseless slaughter, especially over the last 100 years, will cease is when the workers unite with their class brothers and sisters and take power into their own hands, rejecting dead end nationalism and bourgeois organizations such as Hama. There is no other way. Workers of the world unite. You have only your chains to lose and a world to win. No god, no country, no master. One world, one human race. On Jan 6, 3:10 pm, Morpheal morpheal.producti...@yahoo.com wrote: GAZA IS HISTORY REPEATING - ANOTHER TOTAL FAILURE OF HUMANITY THE WORLD COMMUNITY MUST BREAK THE SIEGE OF GAZA ONE MILLION FOUR HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOW FACING THE IMMEDIATE DANGER OF IMMANENT PERISHING No one has ever won over a population by a long process of deprivation and harassment, followed by mass brutality, traumatic wounding of bodies and minds, besieging with terror and inflicting death. History has taught that again, and again. Repeating that error is not humanity’s progress, but is in fact its decline. The principle of besieging, depriving, militarily beating, a population always required continued and persistent oppression to guard against their rising up against the oppressors after the fact of that oppression. Nations and empires could subdue, by military means, if they were willing to continue to subdue by intensive military involvement. When that subjugation came to an end, usually due to overextended and strained or failing military resources, the conquering power inevitably failed. We have seen every empire and nation that followed that same pattern of aggressive subjugation fail. None has ever succeeded, in the long term. Each has had to invest an increasing amount of military commitment to continue its subjugation of the growing hatred that came from conquest. Primitive lessons that many “advanced” nations have failed to learn. Some nations have not advanced in their humanity and in terms of their civilization in thousands of years. They still insist that they must repeat the same errors of ancient history. We must also consider that if a gang of criminals (or terrorists) is active in a city we cannot punish the whole city. We know that people in a condition of fear will
First they took our light bulbs, now they want our TVs (in CA)
From: Travis Subject: First they took our light bulbs, now they want our TVs (in CA): Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, http://www.vincentgioia.com/ Monday, January 5, 2009 First they took our light bulbs, now they want our TVshttp://vincentgioiasblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/first-they-took-our-light-bulbs-now.html The Federal government in all its wisdom has dictated to Americans what light bulbs we can buy and now California wants to tell us what kind of televisions will be sold there, and therefore, what televisions Californians can buy. As goes California in socialist shenanigans, so goes the rest of the country. Starting in 2011, state regulators want retailers to sell only the most energy-efficient models of LCD and plasma sets. State regulators are getting ready to curb the growing popularity of TV sets by drafting the nation's first rules requiring retailers to sell only the models it approves, starting in 2011. The industry opposes the new rules and warns of higher prices. According to these same regulators targeted television sets use a lot of electricity, but other appliances do as well. California cannot tolerate letting its residents use as much electricity as they want, and are willing to pay for. So big brother once again knows what's good for us better then we do. As a result of inane electric power regulations, supply of electricity during peak usage hours is threatened. Rather than fix the policies that deprive California of plentiful low cost electricity by forbidding purchase of electricity from coal-powered plants, the state is opting to enter homes and select which appliances should be used; television today and still more electric appliances later. With the excuse that the power grid is strained, the California Energy Commission says it is looking for ways to relieve the demand. Figures are given for the number of homes that can be served by the restricting sales in California to what the state deems worthy televisions and appliances, but only if the draconian rules are implemented. The state estimates that televisions account for about 10% of the average Californian's monthly household electricity bill. Huge savings for consumers are contemplated. Are you ready for this, when the regulations go into effect in two tiers, purchasers of Tier 1-compliant TVs would save an *average of $18.48 off their residential electric bill in the first year of ownership *. Tier 2 sets would save an additional $11.76 a year. Imagine that, after telling us what kinds of televisions we are able to buy, the savings to the customers would be a whole *$18.48 IN ONE YEAR*. The regulations would be phased in over two years, with a first tier taking effect on January 1, 2011, and a more stringent, second tier on January 1, 2013. California socialists in government are proud of there impact on freedom of choice. They say over the years California has pioneered similar tough standards for appliances, home insulation and food service equipment that eventually were adopted by the federal government and promoted to consumers with utility rebate programs. I think this is basically doable, said Energy Commission member Arthur Rosenfeld. Refrigerators and air conditioner manufacturers have grown up with standards, and, now, they are generally considered successes he said. But this is a new wrinkle for the TV industry. (In other words we have gotten away with this before so the mind-numbed public will let us have our way again with televisions.) The passion is correct. The proposal is not, said Doug Johnson, senior director of technology at the Consumer Electronics Assn. in Arlington, Va. We can accomplish this without regulation as a result of innovation and voluntary approaches. Mike McMaster, president of Wilshire Entertainment Inc., also criticized a rush to impose TV efficiency standards saying it would be basically the end of our business. His locations employ 54 people and specialize in sales and installation of custom home theater systems centered on extremely large TVs. It would kill dealerships because people would buy on Amazon and have them shipped in and maybe not pay sales tax, he said. If a customer wants a 12-cylinder car or a 60-inch plasma that uses this much energy, they're going to get it. Power savings should be encouraged, but not at the expense of businesses, large and small, that may see sales fall if they don't offer a wide variety of televisions. The industry isn't sure how the regulations will affect it. The Consumer Electronics Assn. presented three scenarios to the commission, showing 10%, 20% and 30% drops in product availability and each of their potential financial effects. If 30% of televisions fail to meet standards and can't be sold, California could lose $130 million in tax revenue and 15,800 jobs, Shawn DuBravac, an economist with the Consumer Electronics Assn., testified at a December 15 Energy Commission workshop. Bob Smith, a training executive at AVAD, a Van Nuys
Re: THE WORLD MUST BREAK THE SIEGE OF GAZA
By the way, I'm a worker and I am not outraged... It is business as usual in that corner of the world. Think about, it IS the cradle of civilization, all are in agreement with that. Why did the babies leave the cradle (at least the smarter ones) ?? On Jan 6, 3:38 am, \Lone Wolf\ phoeni...@gmail.com wrote: Workers throughout the world are outraged by the atrocities being committed by Israel (a proxy of US imperialism), This outrage is further inflamed by governments promulgating the lie that mass murder is in fact self defence. Pressuring imperialist governments or the UN, which is nothing more than a thieves kitchen is futile. This massacre has exposed the class divisions in society and whose interests they serve. Governments and big business support imperialist plunder and the sacrifice of the lives of the working class to secure natural resources and markets for their commodities. Workers have no interest in slaughtering their class brothers; they have nothing to gain by such acts of barbarism and so are horrified by Israeli atrocities. It is clear that the desire for fraternal peace, goodwill and equality is to be found overwhelmingly amongst the world's working class and that the only thing preventing this is the division of the world into competing hostile nation states controlled by a tiny layer of the super rich and their government and union henchmen. This is not a matter of religion or race; it is a matter of diametrically opposed class interests. The mass spontaneous eruption of protests by the world's workers highlights the desire for fraternal unity based on the highest moral principles of respect for the right to life and freedom from oppression and exploitation. The only way--THE ONLY WAY--that the senseless slaughter, especially over the last 100 years, will cease is when the workers unite with their class brothers and sisters and take power into their own hands, rejecting dead end nationalism and bourgeois organizations such as Hama. There is no other way. Workers of the world unite. You have only your chains to lose and a world to win. No god, no country, no master. One world, one human race. On Jan 6, 3:10 pm, Morpheal morpheal.producti...@yahoo.com wrote: GAZA IS HISTORY REPEATING - ANOTHER TOTAL FAILURE OF HUMANITY THE WORLD COMMUNITY MUST BREAK THE SIEGE OF GAZA ONE MILLION FOUR HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOW FACING THE IMMEDIATE DANGER OF IMMANENT PERISHING No one has ever won over a population by a long process of deprivation and harassment, followed by mass brutality, traumatic wounding of bodies and minds, besieging with terror and inflicting death. History has taught that again, and again. Repeating that error is not humanity’s progress, but is in fact its decline. The principle of besieging, depriving, militarily beating, a population always required continued and persistent oppression to guard against their rising up against the oppressors after the fact of that oppression. Nations and empires could subdue, by military means, if they were willing to continue to subdue by intensive military involvement. When that subjugation came to an end, usually due to overextended and strained or failing military resources, the conquering power inevitably failed. We have seen every empire and nation that followed that same pattern of aggressive subjugation fail. None has ever succeeded, in the long term. Each has had to invest an increasing amount of military commitment to continue its subjugation of the growing hatred that came from conquest. Primitive lessons that many “advanced” nations have failed to learn. Some nations have not advanced in their humanity and in terms of their civilization in thousands of years. They still insist that they must repeat the same errors of ancient history. We must also consider that if a gang of criminals (or terrorists) is active in a city we cannot punish the whole city. We know that people in a condition of fear will choose those they see as stronger, often allowing bullies, those perceived as the strongest men in their community, into power. People often feel they have no choice. It is the act of those who have been made too afraid, for too long, and who feel victimized and powerless already. That is when dictators rise up. That is when extremism rises up among a population making it victim. Severe economic hardships, persistent victimization, harassment from another power, a feeling of being consistently oppressed and deprived, kept in a condition of constant and increasing fear about the increasingly uncertain and difficult future, is the socio-economic decay in which political evil begins to grow and thrive. If you add more of the same decay, the way one adds manure to a farm field, you can expect more growth. In the instance of political evil. The people / remain the victims of circumstances
Re: why is it libs never condemn terrorists???
Not a nice try I really don't care what color it is painted or whose kids are inside. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: nice try sparky ! On Jan 6, 9:16 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: I don't care what color its painted. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: don't you mean a black day care center ? On Jan 6, 8:37 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: define murder please. Cause i'll tell ya what if some asshole sets up a rocket launcher inside a day care center I could bomb the place with a clear concious. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the murder of civilian men women and children during any conflict by armed militias is a war crime and an act of terrorism no mater who does it ! On Jan 5, 6:03 pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: libs are all over Israel for defending herself. just read all the crap poswted here by the libs.yet a woman terrorist blew herself up killing people at a mosque in iraq. the silence is deafening. the attacks in India by terrorists is followed by what? nothing from the libs. terrorists lob rocket into Israel every day, and yet according to libs, it is Israels fault. terrorists kill more and more people everyday, and no condemnation from the left. I guess it is safe to assume that since there is no outcry against the terrorists, that must mean that the libs must have no problems with the terrorists. and somehow this should come as no surprise. -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
no travis it is because the Jews are commiting war crimes !
On Jan 6, 9:21 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
That's cause those bastard chickenshit mooseturds use kids as shields.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Florida Cracker
littlemike...@gmail.comwrote:
Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
on Gaza City
http://www.truthout.org/010509B
Dion Nissenbaum, McClatchy Newspapers: Israeli forces began to close
in on Gaza City Monday, ordering families in outlying towns and
neighborhoods to flee, as world leaders launched a renewed push to
bring the 10-day-old conflict to a swift end. Medical officials in
the
Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip said Monday that 523 Palestinians have
been killed by Israeli attacks, including 111 children. That marks a
dramatic spike from the early days of Israeli air strikes that
primarily targeted Hamas-dominated police stations, government
buildings, mosques the Israeli military said were being used to store
weapons, and the homes of Hamas leaders.
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The Anti-Stimulus Crowd: The Fear of Success
The Anti-Stimulus Crowd: The Fear of Success As President-elect Obama prepares to take office, debate resumes regarding the best way to tackle the economic crisis. Liberal Democrats are hoping for a new New Deal, while many conservatives contend that the market should balance itself. ( At least some Republicans are starting to muster an anti-stimulus drive, claiming that President-elect Obama's package will not help the economy. Their drive is centered on what they claim is a careful rereading of the history of the New Deal. According to their account, President Roosevelt's policies actually lengthened the Great Depression. In their story, we would have been better off if we just left the market to adjust by itself. New Deal programs that directly employed people, or in other ways supported living standards, created an uncertain investment climate. They claim that this uncertainty slowed the process of market adjustment that was necessary for returning to high levels of employment. The Wagner Act, which created the legal framework for the union organizing drives of the era, stands out as being especially pernicious in their story. The Fair Labor Standards Act, which created the 40-hour workweek and established the first national minimum wage, also gets singled out for criticism. In this new reading of history, what most people consider the great successes of the New Deal simply worsened the Great Depression. In reality, any careful reading showed that the New Deal policies substantially ameliorated the effects of the Great Depression for tens of millions of people. The major economic failing of the New Deal was that President Roosevelt was not prepared to push the policies as far as necessary to fully lift the economy out of the Great Depression. Roosevelt was too worried about the whining of the anti-stimulus crowd that he confronted. He remained concerned about balancing the budget when the proper goal of fiscal policy should have been large deficits to stimulate the economy. Roosevelt's policies substantially reduced the unemployment rate from the 25 percent peak when he first took office, but they did not get the unemployment rate back into single digits. It took the enormous public spending associated with World War II to fully lift the economy out of the depression. The lesson that economists take away from this experience is that we should be prepared to run very large deficits in order to give the economy a sufficient boost to generate self-sustaining growth. However, from the standpoint of Republicans, the more ominous lesson of the New Deal policies is that it left the Democrats firmly in power for more than 20 years. The Republicans did not regain the White House until 1952, 20 years after President Roosevelt was first elected. Imagine how terrifying the prospect of 20 years of Democratic presidencies must be for the current generation of Republican leaders. This would mean that they would not retake the White House until 2028, just 20 years before the Social Security trust fund is first projected to face a shortfall. In 2028, Newt Gingrich will be 85 years old; Mitt Romney will be 81; Mike Huckabee will be 73 and Senator McCain will be 98. Even Sarah Palin will be a less than youthful 64. In short, if President-elect Obama is allowed to carry through with his stimulus package and the rest of his ambitious domestic agenda, most of current leadership of the Republican Party can expect to spend the rest of their political career in the political wilderness, far removed from the centers of power. For this reason, the Republicans can be expected to adopt a strategy aimed at delaying and diluting the stimulus. We can expect their leaders to find every conceivable argument to slow down the spending that the economy desperately needs right now to prevent further job loss. While some of their concerns may be legitimate - we should all support efforts to restrain wasteful pork barrel spending and rein in corruption - these concerns should not be the basis for obstructing stimulus. The public should be careful to distinguish legitimate concerns from simple delaying tactics. In short, we should realize that the main concern of some of those opposed to stimulus may not be that it will fail, but rather that it will succeed. Most of us don't have the same set of concerns --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: THE WORLD MUST BREAK THE SIEGE OF GAZA
All over the Middle East the Jewish population has been kicked out, killed or robbed of their posessions. Shipped off to Israel, where they came from and having to deal with the dealings of Hamas and the world sees this as a one sided injustice from Israel. CNN and the rest earn their money on the pictures of chaos and injured children and not on the organized medical services and controls in Israel. This could stop when Hamas wants it to stop and not when the protest out of London or the rest of Europe cries for some type of justice. Do not forget that the Israelis have children also. On Jan 6, 5:10 am, Morpheal morpheal.producti...@yahoo.com wrote: GAZA IS HISTORY REPEATING - ANOTHER TOTAL FAILURE OF HUMANITY THE WORLD COMMUNITY MUST BREAK THE SIEGE OF GAZA ONE MILLION FOUR HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOW FACING THE IMMEDIATE DANGER OF IMMANENT PERISHING No one has ever won over a population by a long process of deprivation and harassment, followed by mass brutality, traumatic wounding of bodies and minds, besieging with terror and inflicting death. History has taught that again, and again. Repeating that error is not humanity’s progress, but is in fact its decline. The principle of besieging, depriving, militarily beating, a population always required continued and persistent oppression to guard against their rising up against the oppressors after the fact of that oppression. Nations and empires could subdue, by military means, if they were willing to continue to subdue by intensive military involvement. When that subjugation came to an end, usually due to overextended and strained or failing military resources, the conquering power inevitably failed. We have seen every empire and nation that followed that same pattern of aggressive subjugation fail. None has ever succeeded, in the long term. Each has had to invest an increasing amount of military commitment to continue its subjugation of the growing hatred that came from conquest. Primitive lessons that many “advanced” nations have failed to learn. Some nations have not advanced in their humanity and in terms of their civilization in thousands of years. They still insist that they must repeat the same errors of ancient history. We must also consider that if a gang of criminals (or terrorists) is active in a city we cannot punish the whole city. We know that people in a condition of fear will choose those they see as stronger, often allowing bullies, those perceived as the strongest men in their community, into power. People often feel they have no choice. It is the act of those who have been made too afraid, for too long, and who feel victimized and powerless already. That is when dictators rise up. That is when extremism rises up among a population making it victim. Severe economic hardships, persistent victimization, harassment from another power, a feeling of being consistently oppressed and deprived, kept in a condition of constant and increasing fear about the increasingly uncertain and difficult future, is the socio-economic decay in which political evil begins to grow and thrive. If you add more of the same decay, the way one adds manure to a farm field, you can expect more growth. In the instance of political evil. The people / remain the victims of circumstances that they themselves did not cause, and cannot themselves find any ways to change. The cure for the situation would have been to further socio-economic growth, to provide for human needs, building new trust in peace and a partnership in progress to better meeting real human needs. When the people feel secure and protected, are provided for, they will tend to eliminate the criminals themselves. The criminals will lose their power over them. The bullies will no longer have gangs to follow them. Those do not thrive in any semblance to normalcy and reasonable human prosperity. They thrive in difficult situations of human suffering. A ghetto is a ghetto, even if it is 1.5 million people. Gaza was being turned into an Israeli run ghetto, a prison in effect. In prisons and ghettos, all manner of thugs, bullies, toughs, tend to rise up and “run” the inmates. A simple study of prison societies will provide adequate proof. Imprison a whole population and the same sociology becomes applicable. People are won over by care, concern, understanding, provision for needs, kindness, and generosity, rather than persistent abuse. Winning over the people does not require military action. Completely to the contrary. Winning them over with kindness and generosity would have destroyed the power that had been gained by any criminals (intent on acts of violence as their chosen means of political expression). We can only hope that the humanity of those who oppose Israel’s inhumanity in Gaza is far greater, and that it would not seek to inflict upon all of Israel a similar fate to that which it has inflicted on
Re: why is it libs never condemn terrorists???
I really don't care what color it is painted or whose kids are inside. do you mean as long as the kids are dark skinned ? would you feel the same way if they were white kids from America attending school in Gaza ? On Jan 6, 9:31 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Not a nice try I really don't care what color it is painted or whose kids are inside. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: nice try sparky ! On Jan 6, 9:16 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: I don't care what color its painted. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: don't you mean a black day care center ? On Jan 6, 8:37 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: define murder please. Cause i'll tell ya what if some asshole sets up a rocket launcher inside a day care center I could bomb the place with a clear concious. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the murder of civilian men women and children during any conflict by armed militias is a war crime and an act of terrorism no mater who does it ! On Jan 5, 6:03 pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: libs are all over Israel for defending herself. just read all the crap poswted here by the libs. yet a woman terrorist blew herself up killing people at a mosque in iraq. the silence is deafening. the attacks in India by terrorists is followed by what? nothing from the libs. terrorists lob rocket into Israel every day, and yet according to libs, it is Israels fault. terrorists kill more and more people everyday, and no condemnation from the left. I guess it is safe to assume that since there is no outcry against the terrorists, that must mean that the libs must have no problems with the terrorists. and somehow this should come as no surprise. -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Date: Sat, Jan 3, 2009
Subject: Yahoo is Tracking Group Members
Yahoo is Tracking Group Members
If you belong to ANY Yahoo Groups - be aware that Yahoo is
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Look at their updated privacy statement at
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In that section find opt-out of interest-matched
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Re: Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
No Mike, It is because both sides are idiots. It is the action taken
along with the intent that counts. Hamas sent rockets into Israel by
their own admission PURPOSELY targeting civilian populations. Israel
is at least targeting places known or which intel says has offensive
capability. The FACT is that Hamas DOES put rocket launchers in school
yards, churches, etc, and counts on the wests softness to decry the
use of force so near the kids.
The parents still send those kids to those places. who is really
at fault ??
Think about if you had a Seven year old granddaughter would you
send her to a studio you knew was shooting kiddie porn movies ??
If you did, would you share any of the blame for what would entail ??
On Jan 6, 8:33 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote:
no travis it is because the Jews are commiting war crimes !
On Jan 6, 9:21 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
That's cause those bastard chickenshit mooseturds use kids as shields.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Florida Cracker
littlemike...@gmail.comwrote:
Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
on Gaza City
http://www.truthout.org/010509B
Dion Nissenbaum, McClatchy Newspapers: Israeli forces began to close
in on Gaza City Monday, ordering families in outlying towns and
neighborhoods to flee, as world leaders launched a renewed push to
bring the 10-day-old conflict to a swift end. Medical officials in
the
Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip said Monday that 523 Palestinians have
been killed by Israeli attacks, including 111 children. That marks a
dramatic spike from the early days of Israeli air strikes that
primarily targeted Hamas-dominated police stations, government
buildings, mosques the Israeli military said were being used to store
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Re: Yahoo is Tracking Group Members
Thanx Travis, just opted out
On Jan 6, 8:41 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
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Date: Sat, Jan 3, 2009
Subject: Yahoo is Tracking Group Members
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In that section find opt-out of interest-matched
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Re: Ok, Mark, here's your slang thread
All that and you didn't answer my question. Have you ever said ain't? What about ya'll? On Jan 6, 9:11 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Like I said language must PROGRESS, use of slang terms are fine.. yep here it comes again. Let's NOT be Politically Correct. When you choose to freely adopt the terms invented by the stupid, the illiterate, and the lazy assholes of the world that sell the innercity drugs, that do not attend school that are too lazy to get a job, that do most of the murdering, mayhem, and other shit that makes you cringe on a daily basis, that cause entire areas of cities to be so violent the cops won't respond and taxis won't go at night, that leave the needles in the parks... When you adopt the terms put forth by the scum of the earth you IN ESSENCE DO SAY 'YOUR LIFESTYLE AND THAT WHICH YOU DO BOTH TO YOUR SELF AND OTHERS IN SOCIETY AS A WHOLE IS FINE, WE WILL ADOPT YOUR LIFE STYLE TO OUR OWN., YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHANGE, WE LIKE YOU AND WHAT YOU STAND FOR. To them you are saying this loudly, to you it is a small concession and of little importance. There ARE some cases where appearances count.. this is one. Life is a series that starts with baby steps. It is a baby step in the wrong direction. So, if you want to use that cool (see definition 3, below) nigger slang and give credence to societies scum, do so, just remember that by doing so you support them and the style in which they live and force you, or others to live. Main Entry: nig·ger Pronunciation: \ˈni-gər\ Function: noun Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger Date: 1786 1usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person 2usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark- skinned race 3: a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons it's time for somebody to lead all of America's niggers…all the people who feel left out of the political process — Ron Dellums usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry. and no, not all people of color are niggers and yes, you can be white and be one as well. On Jan 5, 10:30 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Back atcha! oops On Jan 5, 11:18 pm, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote: hehehe. You go girl! ;-) On Jan 5, 8:45 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: That is a bit hardcore. I've always been one to correct others on the proper use of the language. However, I do allow for colloquialisms and yes, even slang, but only in the proper environment. I would never use slang while at work or giving a presentation. There is a time and a place for everything. Language is a living, changing thing that must evolve as society evolves. New words are added to official dictionaries every year to reflect a changing society. This even includes peeps:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/peepsThisdoesn't make it part of the proper King's English, but very little of our language is like that anymore. How many times have you put a preposition at the end of a sentence? It's easy to do: What's that for? is a common example. Did you feel that I just pissed on my education and salary by uttering that grammatically-incorrect phrase? No, it's just easier to say and has become part of the common usage. Have you ever said ain't? If so, did you feel you were tacitly approving of poor, redneck Southerners, who commonly use that word? I don't. Slang words and even sentence arrangement help define who we are, and each of us is an individual. If someone chooses to use peeps in casual conversation, so be it. Sometimes a slang word fits just right when nothing else will. And I ain't changing my mind! On Jan 5, 10:35 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: From TAO: WNCS, I know this is after the fact and its probably for the best. I believe that any language must progress to stay alive and pertinent. That said, I also believe that to use slang that is based solely in illiterate and or under/un-educated abilities is to give credence to that particular sub-culture and what they don't accomplish with their lives but do steal and soak from yours. You have through the Grace of whatever God that exists a FREE education system, books included Why in Gods name would any right thinking person (and all acts have far reaching consequences) tacitly support a group or
Re: Rambling thoughts at Random and Religion
Jim W. Where EXACTLY do titty-bars outnumber churches? What's the housing market there like? Good waether? I could move easily enough. :-) On Jan 6, 3:40 am, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: After a good deal of synaptic, neurological electrical activity within my abnormally large cerebellum, I finally had an epiphany. A great light suddenly showered me with the bright glow of incandescence, flooding my senses with knowledge and wisdom. It was a come to Jesus moment, for me, a pivot point; if you will. For you see; after my conversion to conservatism, and with that conversion the indisputable knowledge that the greatest impediment to conservatism is liberalism. Yet, this was not only an idealistic chasm of divide; It is by all accounts war; a war between two opposing views and denominations. As my transformation into conservatism from a pot smoking, long haired, maggot infested F.M. radio type, usually reeking of tear gas strength body odor and, “you know the type, every other word from their pie hole is both most vulgar and sprinkled with heavy doses of, “DUDE”. Personally, I look upon these filthy potty mouths with disdain. For; I see this type of language as a deficiency in vocabulary and verbal sloth, maybe even negligence in their upbringing. I’m just saying…….. But alas; I’m certain you are now convinced that my thought pattern has run off the rail and I am lost in the dark seeking a coherent thought. Not true and I require not, “mone me”. Oh no my disbeliever; I haven’t lost my place, I never do. Tag back to my original eyes wide open epiphany of sorts. For literally hundreds of years the war between Liberals vs. Conservatism has been waged in diametrically distinctly different fashions. Conservatives posit intelligent reason and views into the national debate. Our weapons are ideas. We present tried and true solutions for the ills befouled upon the masses in an attempt to educate. Conservatives put forth truisms based on proven historical context with an abiding knowledge of the intent of those founders of this great nation. We use the constitution as our soapbox and hold in reverence those men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor, just to bring forth the greatest country ever conceived. Yet, we are a peaceful movement, though adamant in our righteousness and our unstoppable passion to get back to our constitution and everything that entails. For the most part we are God loving Christians. Yet, our numbers are dwindling. God has been taken out of the public schools, out of the public square. In its stead the indoctrination, “make that the organized scam of evolution” of evolution being propagandized to our children. I speak to many people on this subject, more than any other. It would seem that in attempting to merely engage a liberal in religious conversation they retort and smile; as in their mind, they have just bested a bible thumper and their ecstasy upon their belittle smiling face soon results in the most damning liberal arrow in their quiver. They will quote our constitution, almost verbatim as they look smugly down on their victim. Oh, the satisfied look on their face. After all, everyone knows us Christians to be inbred rubes, living in a run down, single wide mobile home with a passel of little nippers. Liberals see the downtrodden as using our God as a crutch. Because, in their cynical mind; only the weak would worship a deity that can’t be proven with modern science. Yet we Christians have been blessed with faith. Because with the absence of proof, one must have a deep, unshakable and sincere belief, even when faced with no tangible, scientific proof of the religious tenets Christians hold dear and give them peace and a great comfort. Yet; I would postulate this most prescient, truism. Religion; by design has but two codicils requiring an unwavering allegiance to. Acceptance of Jesus Christ; as your “personal savior” and a profound faith in his death on the cross for our sins; without proof! I believe this, deeply; by design man was never intended to have proof, for without proof, faith is unneeded, even though, A profound faith is the bedrock of Christianity; the acceptance of the Christ child, his blood, “representing the washing away of our sins. Again, trust me; I haven’t lost my place or train of thought. Liberals, even those pseudo intellectuals who love to spout the first amendment. You’ve no doubt come across them in your daily traverses through life; small minded, Lilliputian liberals, when speaking of religion in schools, public institutions, government buildings, and so on, love to opine about the separation of church. And, to my surprise they actually mean what they say and abide in its comfort. They are assured this separation to be in the body of our sacred founding documents, Written in stone as it were. Yet, in a way, “a perverse way” that too is
Re: Ok, Mark, here's your slang thread
Ain't... no, not that I'm aware of. Y'all yes; and in defense of my position, Ain't is a contraction and Y'all is a variant. Neither is slang. On Jan 6, 8:52 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: All that and you didn't answer my question. Have you ever said ain't? What about ya'll? On Jan 6, 9:11 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Like I said language must PROGRESS, use of slang terms are fine.. yep here it comes again. Let's NOT be Politically Correct. When you choose to freely adopt the terms invented by the stupid, the illiterate, and the lazy assholes of the world that sell the innercity drugs, that do not attend school that are too lazy to get a job, that do most of the murdering, mayhem, and other shit that makes you cringe on a daily basis, that cause entire areas of cities to be so violent the cops won't respond and taxis won't go at night, that leave the needles in the parks... When you adopt the terms put forth by the scum of the earth you IN ESSENCE DO SAY 'YOUR LIFESTYLE AND THAT WHICH YOU DO BOTH TO YOUR SELF AND OTHERS IN SOCIETY AS A WHOLE IS FINE, WE WILL ADOPT YOUR LIFE STYLE TO OUR OWN., YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHANGE, WE LIKE YOU AND WHAT YOU STAND FOR. To them you are saying this loudly, to you it is a small concession and of little importance. There ARE some cases where appearances count.. this is one. Life is a series that starts with baby steps. It is a baby step in the wrong direction. So, if you want to use that cool (see definition 3, below) nigger slang and give credence to societies scum, do so, just remember that by doing so you support them and the style in which they live and force you, or others to live. Main Entry: nig·ger Pronunciation: \ˈni-gər\ Function: noun Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger Date: 1786 1usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person 2usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark- skinned race 3: a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons it's time for somebody to lead all of America's niggers…all the people who feel left out of the political process — Ron Dellums usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry. and no, not all people of color are niggers and yes, you can be white and be one as well. On Jan 5, 10:30 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Back atcha! oops On Jan 5, 11:18 pm, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote: hehehe. You go girl! ;-) On Jan 5, 8:45 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: That is a bit hardcore. I've always been one to correct others on the proper use of the language. However, I do allow for colloquialisms and yes, even slang, but only in the proper environment. I would never use slang while at work or giving a presentation. There is a time and a place for everything. Language is a living, changing thing that must evolve as society evolves. New words are added to official dictionaries every year to reflect a changing society. This even includes peeps:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/peepsThisdoesn'tmake it part of the proper King's English, but very little of our language is like that anymore. How many times have you put a preposition at the end of a sentence? It's easy to do: What's that for? is a common example. Did you feel that I just pissed on my education and salary by uttering that grammatically-incorrect phrase? No, it's just easier to say and has become part of the common usage. Have you ever said ain't? If so, did you feel you were tacitly approving of poor, redneck Southerners, who commonly use that word? I don't. Slang words and even sentence arrangement help define who we are, and each of us is an individual. If someone chooses to use peeps in casual conversation, so be it. Sometimes a slang word fits just right when nothing else will. And I ain't changing my mind! On Jan 5, 10:35 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: From TAO: WNCS, I know this is after the fact and its probably for the best. I believe that any language must progress to stay alive and pertinent. That said, I also believe that to use slang that is based solely in illiterate and or under/un-educated abilities is to give credence to that particular sub-culture and what they don't accomplish with their
Re: Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
i will agree both sides are idiots but it is the israelites who are
committing war crimes by bombing civilians .
On Jan 6, 9:47 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
No Mike, It is because both sides are idiots. It is the action taken
along with the intent that counts. Hamas sent rockets into Israel by
their own admission PURPOSELY targeting civilian populations. Israel
is at least targeting places known or which intel says has offensive
capability. The FACT is that Hamas DOES put rocket launchers in school
yards, churches, etc, and counts on the wests softness to decry the
use of force so near the kids.
The parents still send those kids to those places. who is really
at fault ??
Think about if you had a Seven year old granddaughter would you
send her to a studio you knew was shooting kiddie porn movies ??
If you did, would you share any of the blame for what would entail ??
On Jan 6, 8:33 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote:
no travis it is because the Jews are commiting war crimes !
On Jan 6, 9:21 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
That's cause those bastard chickenshit mooseturds use kids as shields.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Florida Cracker
littlemike...@gmail.comwrote:
Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
on Gaza City
http://www.truthout.org/010509B
Dion Nissenbaum, McClatchy Newspapers: Israeli forces began to close
in on Gaza City Monday, ordering families in outlying towns and
neighborhoods to flee, as world leaders launched a renewed push to
bring the 10-day-old conflict to a swift end. Medical officials in
the
Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip said Monday that 523 Palestinians have
been killed by Israeli attacks, including 111 children. That marks a
dramatic spike from the early days of Israeli air strikes that
primarily targeted Hamas-dominated police stations, government
buildings, mosques the Israeli military said were being used to store
weapons, and the homes of Hamas leaders.
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Re: Ok, Mark, here's your slang thread
That's a lame defense, sorry. Neither are considered proper English, and both are short-cuts, much like the term peep is short for people. By the way, not that I'm aware of is an example of ending your sentence in a preposition. Might as well piss on your diploma. Go ahead, I ain't watching. :-) On Jan 6, 10:16 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Ain't... no, not that I'm aware of. Y'all yes; and in defense of my position, Ain't is a contraction and Y'all is a variant. Neither is slang. On Jan 6, 8:52 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: All that and you didn't answer my question. Have you ever said ain't? What about ya'll? On Jan 6, 9:11 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Like I said language must PROGRESS, use of slang terms are fine.. yep here it comes again. Let's NOT be Politically Correct. When you choose to freely adopt the terms invented by the stupid, the illiterate, and the lazy assholes of the world that sell the innercity drugs, that do not attend school that are too lazy to get a job, that do most of the murdering, mayhem, and other shit that makes you cringe on a daily basis, that cause entire areas of cities to be so violent the cops won't respond and taxis won't go at night, that leave the needles in the parks... When you adopt the terms put forth by the scum of the earth you IN ESSENCE DO SAY 'YOUR LIFESTYLE AND THAT WHICH YOU DO BOTH TO YOUR SELF AND OTHERS IN SOCIETY AS A WHOLE IS FINE, WE WILL ADOPT YOUR LIFE STYLE TO OUR OWN., YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHANGE, WE LIKE YOU AND WHAT YOU STAND FOR. To them you are saying this loudly, to you it is a small concession and of little importance. There ARE some cases where appearances count.. this is one. Life is a series that starts with baby steps. It is a baby step in the wrong direction. So, if you want to use that cool (see definition 3, below) nigger slang and give credence to societies scum, do so, just remember that by doing so you support them and the style in which they live and force you, or others to live. Main Entry: nig·ger Pronunciation: \ˈni-gər\ Function: noun Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger Date: 1786 1usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person 2usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark- skinned race 3: a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons it's time for somebody to lead all of America's niggers…all the people who feel left out of the political process — Ron Dellums usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry. and no, not all people of color are niggers and yes, you can be white and be one as well. On Jan 5, 10:30 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Back atcha! oops On Jan 5, 11:18 pm, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote: hehehe. You go girl! ;-) On Jan 5, 8:45 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: That is a bit hardcore. I've always been one to correct others on the proper use of the language. However, I do allow for colloquialisms and yes, even slang, but only in the proper environment. I would never use slang while at work or giving a presentation. There is a time and a place for everything. Language is a living, changing thing that must evolve as society evolves. New words are added to official dictionaries every year to reflect a changing society. This even includes peeps:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/peepsThisdoesn'tmakeit part of the proper King's English, but very little of our language is like that anymore. How many times have you put a preposition at the end of a sentence? It's easy to do: What's that for? is a common example. Did you feel that I just pissed on my education and salary by uttering that grammatically-incorrect phrase? No, it's just easier to say and has become part of the common usage. Have you ever said ain't? If so, did you feel you were tacitly approving of poor, redneck Southerners, who commonly use that word? I don't. Slang words and even sentence arrangement help define who we are, and each of us is an individual. If someone chooses to use peeps in casual conversation, so be it. Sometimes a slang word fits just right when nothing else will. And I ain't
Re: Yahoo is Tracking Group Members
Ugh, more Big Brother! Thanks for the info, Travis. I wonder who makes
sure the opt-outs are enforced?
On Jan 6, 9:41 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
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Date: Sat, Jan 3, 2009
Subject: Yahoo is Tracking Group Members
Yahoo is Tracking Group Members
If you belong to ANY Yahoo Groups - be aware that Yahoo is
Now using Web Beacons to track every Yahoo Group user. It's
Similar to cookies, but allows Yahoo to record every website and
Every group you visit, even when you're not connected to Yahoo.
Look at their updated privacy statement
athttp://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/details.html
About half-way down the page, in the section on *cookies*,
You will see a link that says *WEB BEACONS*.
Click on the phrase Web Beacons. On the page that opens,
On the left find a box entitled Opt-Out.
In that section find opt-out of interest-matched
Advertising link that will let you opt-out of their snooping.
Click it and then click the opt-out button on the next page.
Note that Yahoo's invasion of your privacy - and your
Ability to opt-out of it - is not user-specific. It is MACHINE
Specific. That means you will have to opt-out on every computer
(and browser) you use.
Please forward this to your other groups. You might
Complain, too, but I'm not sure if anyone is listening. I
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Re: Rambling thoughts at Random and Religion
My free exercise of Religion is not see or have to deal with yours in the public square. Kind of like Democracy it's not listed in any of those documents (DOI, or Constitution) you mention either. And, as Holly, where is that place where titty bars outnumber the churches I would like that same info... sounds like a whorehouse should be a slam-dunk there.. I'm aleays looking to expand. On Jan 6, 9:15 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: Jim W. Where EXACTLY do titty-bars outnumber churches? What's the housing market there like? Good waether? I could move easily enough. :-) On Jan 6, 3:40 am, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: After a good deal of synaptic, neurological electrical activity within my abnormally large cerebellum, I finally had an epiphany. A great light suddenly showered me with the bright glow of incandescence, flooding my senses with knowledge and wisdom. It was a come to Jesus moment, for me, a pivot point; if you will. For you see; after my conversion to conservatism, and with that conversion the indisputable knowledge that the greatest impediment to conservatism is liberalism. Yet, this was not only an idealistic chasm of divide; It is by all accounts war; a war between two opposing views and denominations. As my transformation into conservatism from a pot smoking, long haired, maggot infested F.M. radio type, usually reeking of tear gas strength body odor and, “you know the type, every other word from their pie hole is both most vulgar and sprinkled with heavy doses of, “DUDE”. Personally, I look upon these filthy potty mouths with disdain. For; I see this type of language as a deficiency in vocabulary and verbal sloth, maybe even negligence in their upbringing. I’m just saying…….. But alas; I’m certain you are now convinced that my thought pattern has run off the rail and I am lost in the dark seeking a coherent thought. Not true and I require not, “mone me”. Oh no my disbeliever; I haven’t lost my place, I never do. Tag back to my original eyes wide open epiphany of sorts. For literally hundreds of years the war between Liberals vs. Conservatism has been waged in diametrically distinctly different fashions. Conservatives posit intelligent reason and views into the national debate. Our weapons are ideas. We present tried and true solutions for the ills befouled upon the masses in an attempt to educate. Conservatives put forth truisms based on proven historical context with an abiding knowledge of the intent of those founders of this great nation. We use the constitution as our soapbox and hold in reverence those men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor, just to bring forth the greatest country ever conceived. Yet, we are a peaceful movement, though adamant in our righteousness and our unstoppable passion to get back to our constitution and everything that entails. For the most part we are God loving Christians. Yet, our numbers are dwindling. God has been taken out of the public schools, out of the public square. In its stead the indoctrination, “make that the organized scam of evolution” of evolution being propagandized to our children. I speak to many people on this subject, more than any other. It would seem that in attempting to merely engage a liberal in religious conversation they retort and smile; as in their mind, they have just bested a bible thumper and their ecstasy upon their belittle smiling face soon results in the most damning liberal arrow in their quiver. They will quote our constitution, almost verbatim as they look smugly down on their victim. Oh, the satisfied look on their face. After all, everyone knows us Christians to be inbred rubes, living in a run down, single wide mobile home with a passel of little nippers. Liberals see the downtrodden as using our God as a crutch. Because, in their cynical mind; only the weak would worship a deity that can’t be proven with modern science. Yet we Christians have been blessed with faith. Because with the absence of proof, one must have a deep, unshakable and sincere belief, even when faced with no tangible, scientific proof of the religious tenets Christians hold dear and give them peace and a great comfort. Yet; I would postulate this most prescient, truism. Religion; by design has but two codicils requiring an unwavering allegiance to. Acceptance of Jesus Christ; as your “personal savior” and a profound faith in his death on the cross for our sins; without proof! I believe this, deeply; by design man was never intended to have proof, for without proof, faith is unneeded, even though, A profound faith is the bedrock of Christianity; the acceptance of the Christ child, his blood, “representing the washing away of our sins. Again, trust me; I haven’t lost my place or train of thought. Liberals, even those pseudo
Re: Discussion on return-u-s-to-british-empire
Navy, Then why the comment of free? On Jan 5, 9:00 pm, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote: I know... On Jan 5, 7:59 pm, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: Navy, Wouldn't be free. Pay for it with our taxes. On Jan 5, 7:59 pm, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote: That health care will NOT be for free! On Jan 5, 5:56 pm, Fritz_da_Cat fritzy...@gmail.com wrote: Sure. Let's do it. We'll have free healthcare, a stronger currency, and stronger economy.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Why Obama's Green Jobs Plan Might Work
Why Obama's Green Jobs Plan Might Work http://www.truthout.org/010509O Some states - including Michigan - already see renewable energy as their future: It's the only sector that appears to be making room for more employees despite the recession. Hemlock, Michigan - While Detroit's automakers struggle to rebuild their sputtering operations, the key to jump-starting Michigan's economy may lie 80 miles northwest of the Motor City. This is the home of Hemlock Semiconductor Corp. It makes a material crucial for constructing photovoltaic panels. And that has turned this snow-covered hamlet into an unlikely hotbed for solar energy. On Dec. 15, the same week that General Motors Corp. and Chrysler begged $17.4 billion from taxpayers to stave off collapse, Hemlock announced a $3-billion expansion that could create hundreds of jobs. It's a rare piece of good news for this battered Rust Belt state, whose 9.6% unemployment rate is the nation's highest. In contrast to Detroit iron, Hemlock's quartz-based polycrystalline silicon is in such demand that workers in white smocks and protective gear toil around the clock to get it to customers around the globe. Hemlock has been deluged with applications from idle factory hands such as former autoworker Don Sloboda. The 50-year-old Saginaw resident has been retraining at a local community college for what he hopes is the region's new engine of job growth. It looks like the future to me, Sloboda said. Whether clean energy can pull Michigan out of the ditch remains to be seen. But the push is on to retool America with so-called green- collar industries. President-elect Barack Obama wants to spend $150 billion over the next decade to promote energy from the sun, wind and other renewable sources as well as energy conservation. Plans include raising vehicle fuel-economy standards and subsidizing consumer purchases of plug-in hybrids. Obama wants to weatherize 1 million homes annually and upgrade the nation's creaky electrical grid. His team has talked of providing tax credits and loan guarantees to clean-energy companies. His goals: create 5 million new jobs repowering America over 10 years; assert U.S. leadership on global climate change; and wean the U.S. from its dependence on imported petroleum. Breaking our oil addiction ... is going to take nothing less than the complete transformation of our economy, Obama said during a campaign stop in Michigan's capital, Lansing, last year. Americans have heard it before. Every president since Richard Nixon has touted energy independence, yet the goal remains elusive. The U.S. imported less than a third of its crude around the time of the Arab oil embargo in 1973. Today foreigners feed nearly 60% of the nation's petroleum habit. Skeptics fear that the president-elect's Green New Deal will do little but waste taxpayers' money. The government squandered billions on the Jimmy Carter-era synthetic-fuels program, a failed effort to create vehicle fuel from coal. Corn-based ethanol - the latest recipient of fat subsidies - is loathed by many environmentalists, who say it is an inefficient fuel that gobbles precious cropland and helps to drive up food prices. Better to let the market decide, not the state, said Donald Boudreaux, chairman of the economics department at George Mason University in Virginia. The history of government picking winners in the U.S. is not that grand, he said. People instinctively love the idea of green jobs. ... But there is a lot of mass stupidity out there. Renewable-energy proponents such as former California Treasurer Phil Angelides say stupidity would be to stick with current U.S. energy policy, which has turbocharged global warming, super-sized the trade deficit and propped up oil-rich regimes hostile to American interests. Angelides heads the Apollo Alliance, a coalition promoting clean industries as a means of rebuilding U.S. manufacturing and lessening the nation's dependence on foreign oil. It's the best path to recovery and the best chance of creating jobs that can't be outsourced, he said. Although Angelides' organization takes its name from the space program that put Americans on the moon, creating green jobs isn't rocket science, said Oakland activist Van Jones, author of The Green Collar Economy. Jones said Obama's proposal to weatherize homes would pay for itself through energy savings while putting legions of unemployed construction workers back on the job. A $100-billion investment in a green recovery could create 2 million jobs within two years, a good chunk of them in retrofitting, according to a recent University of Massachusetts study. You can employ a lot of people very quickly with off-the-shelf technology like caulk guns, said Jones, founder of Green for All, an economic development group. This isn't George Jetson stuff. No one knows precisely how many green jobs
Re: Discussion on return-u-s-to-british-empire
I was making the same point. The health care won't 'be free' ...I should have added because of taxes that will be leveled to pay for it. You can't read my mind I know;-) On Jan 6, 8:26 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: Navy, Then why the comment of free? On Jan 5, 9:00 pm, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote: I know... On Jan 5, 7:59 pm, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: Navy, Wouldn't be free. Pay for it with our taxes. On Jan 5, 7:59 pm, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote: That health care will NOT be for free! On Jan 5, 5:56 pm, Fritz_da_Cat fritzy...@gmail.com wrote: Sure. Let's do it. We'll have free healthcare, a stronger currency, and stronger economy.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: why is it libs never condemn terrorists???
Geeze Cracker! Shut up will ya? On Jan 6, 7:37 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: I really don't care what color it is painted or whose kids are inside. do you mean as long as the kids are dark skinned ? would you feel the same way if they were white kids from America attending school in Gaza ? On Jan 6, 9:31 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Not a nice try I really don't care what color it is painted or whose kids are inside. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: nice try sparky ! On Jan 6, 9:16 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: I don't care what color its painted. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: don't you mean a black day care center ? On Jan 6, 8:37 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: define murder please. Cause i'll tell ya what if some asshole sets up a rocket launcher inside a day care center I could bomb the place with a clear concious. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the murder of civilian men women and children during any conflict by armed militias is a war crime and an act of terrorism no mater who does it ! On Jan 5, 6:03 pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: libs are all over Israel for defending herself. just read all the crap poswted here by the libs. yet a woman terrorist blew herself up killing people at a mosque in iraq. the silence is deafening. the attacks in India by terrorists is followed by what? nothing from the libs. terrorists lob rocket into Israel every day, and yet according to libs, it is Israels fault. terrorists kill more and more people everyday, and no condemnation from the left. I guess it is safe to assume that since there is no outcry against the terrorists, that must mean that the libs must have no problems with the terrorists. and somehow this should come as no surprise. -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rambling thoughts at Random and Religion
TAO, I'm with you on that. Wonder what ol' Jim W. has against free enterprise and capitalism? I think he's one of them damned communists or something. On Jan 6, 9:24 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: My free exercise of Religion is not see or have to deal with yours in the public square. Kind of like Democracy it's not listed in any of those documents (DOI, or Constitution) you mention either. And, as Holly, where is that place where titty bars outnumber the churches I would like that same info... sounds like a whorehouse should be a slam-dunk there.. I'm aleays looking to expand. On Jan 6, 9:15 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: Jim W. Where EXACTLY do titty-bars outnumber churches? What's the housing market there like? Good waether? I could move easily enough. :-) On Jan 6, 3:40 am, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: After a good deal of synaptic, neurological electrical activity within my abnormally large cerebellum, I finally had an epiphany. A great light suddenly showered me with the bright glow of incandescence, flooding my senses with knowledge and wisdom. It was a come to Jesus moment, for me, a pivot point; if you will. For you see; after my conversion to conservatism, and with that conversion the indisputable knowledge that the greatest impediment to conservatism is liberalism. Yet, this was not only an idealistic chasm of divide; It is by all accounts war; a war between two opposing views and denominations. As my transformation into conservatism from a pot smoking, long haired, maggot infested F.M. radio type, usually reeking of tear gas strength body odor and, “you know the type, every other word from their pie hole is both most vulgar and sprinkled with heavy doses of, “DUDE”. Personally, I look upon these filthy potty mouths with disdain. For; I see this type of language as a deficiency in vocabulary and verbal sloth, maybe even negligence in their upbringing. I’m just saying…….. But alas; I’m certain you are now convinced that my thought pattern has run off the rail and I am lost in the dark seeking a coherent thought. Not true and I require not, “mone me”. Oh no my disbeliever; I haven’t lost my place, I never do. Tag back to my original eyes wide open epiphany of sorts. For literally hundreds of years the war between Liberals vs. Conservatism has been waged in diametrically distinctly different fashions. Conservatives posit intelligent reason and views into the national debate. Our weapons are ideas. We present tried and true solutions for the ills befouled upon the masses in an attempt to educate. Conservatives put forth truisms based on proven historical context with an abiding knowledge of the intent of those founders of this great nation. We use the constitution as our soapbox and hold in reverence those men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor, just to bring forth the greatest country ever conceived. Yet, we are a peaceful movement, though adamant in our righteousness and our unstoppable passion to get back to our constitution and everything that entails. For the most part we are God loving Christians. Yet, our numbers are dwindling. God has been taken out of the public schools, out of the public square. In its stead the indoctrination, “make that the organized scam of evolution” of evolution being propagandized to our children. I speak to many people on this subject, more than any other. It would seem that in attempting to merely engage a liberal in religious conversation they retort and smile; as in their mind, they have just bested a bible thumper and their ecstasy upon their belittle smiling face soon results in the most damning liberal arrow in their quiver. They will quote our constitution, almost verbatim as they look smugly down on their victim. Oh, the satisfied look on their face. After all, everyone knows us Christians to be inbred rubes, living in a run down, single wide mobile home with a passel of little nippers. Liberals see the downtrodden as using our God as a crutch. Because, in their cynical mind; only the weak would worship a deity that can’t be proven with modern science. Yet we Christians have been blessed with faith. Because with the absence of proof, one must have a deep, unshakable and sincere belief, even when faced with no tangible, scientific proof of the religious tenets Christians hold dear and give them peace and a great comfort. Yet; I would postulate this most prescient, truism. Religion; by design has but two codicils requiring an unwavering allegiance to. Acceptance of Jesus Christ; as your “personal savior” and a profound faith in his death on the cross for our sins; without proof! I believe this, deeply; by design man was never intended to have proof, for
Re: Rambling thoughts at Random and Religion
From Juliette 1797, by Comte Donatien Alphonse François de Sade first use of opium- religion phrase. It is still accurate. Though nature lavishes much upon your people, their circumstances are strait. But this is not the effect of their laziness; this general paralysis has its source in your policy which, from maintaining the people in dependence, shuts them out from wealth; their ills are thus rendered beyond remedy, and the political state is in a situation no less grave than the civil government, since it must seek its strength in its very weakness. Your apprehension, Ferdinand, lest someone discover the things I have been telling you leads you to exile arts and talents from your realm. You fear the powerful eye of genius, that is why you encourage ignorance. Tis opium you feed your people, so that, drugged, they do not feel their hurts, inflicted by you. And that is why where you reign no establishments are to be found giving great men to the homeland; the rewards due knowledge are unknown here, and as there is neither honor nor profit in being wise, nobody seeks after wisdom. I have studied your civil laws, they are good, but poorly enforced, and as a result they sink into ever further decay. And the consequences thereof? A man prefers to live amidst their corruption rather than plead for their reform, because he fears, and with reason, that this reform will engender infinitely more abuses than it will do away with; things are left as they are. Nevertheless, everything goes askew and awry and as a career in government has no more attractions than one in the arts, nobody involves himself in public affairs; and for all this compensation is offered in the form of luxury, of frivolity, of entertainments. So it is that among you a taste for trivial things replaces a taste for great ones, that the time which ought to be devoted to the latter is frittered away on futilities, and that you will be subjegated sooner or later and again and again by any foe who bothers to make the effort. On Jan 6, 3:40 am, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: After a good deal of synaptic, neurological electrical activity within my abnormally large cerebellum, I finally had an epiphany. A great light suddenly showered me with the bright glow of incandescence, flooding my senses with knowledge and wisdom. It was a come to Jesus moment, for me, a pivot point; if you will. For you see; after my conversion to conservatism, and with that conversion the indisputable knowledge that the greatest impediment to conservatism is liberalism. Yet, this was not only an idealistic chasm of divide; It is by all accounts war; a war between two opposing views and denominations. As my transformation into conservatism from a pot smoking, long haired, maggot infested F.M. radio type, usually reeking of tear gas strength body odor and, “you know the type, every other word from their pie hole is both most vulgar and sprinkled with heavy doses of, “DUDE”. Personally, I look upon these filthy potty mouths with disdain. For; I see this type of language as a deficiency in vocabulary and verbal sloth, maybe even negligence in their upbringing. I’m just saying…….. But alas; I’m certain you are now convinced that my thought pattern has run off the rail and I am lost in the dark seeking a coherent thought. Not true and I require not, “mone me”. Oh no my disbeliever; I haven’t lost my place, I never do. Tag back to my original eyes wide open epiphany of sorts. For literally hundreds of years the war between Liberals vs. Conservatism has been waged in diametrically distinctly different fashions. Conservatives posit intelligent reason and views into the national debate. Our weapons are ideas. We present tried and true solutions for the ills befouled upon the masses in an attempt to educate. Conservatives put forth truisms based on proven historical context with an abiding knowledge of the intent of those founders of this great nation. We use the constitution as our soapbox and hold in reverence those men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor, just to bring forth the greatest country ever conceived. Yet, we are a peaceful movement, though adamant in our righteousness and our unstoppable passion to get back to our constitution and everything that entails. For the most part we are God loving Christians. Yet, our numbers are dwindling. God has been taken out of the public schools, out of the public square. In its stead the indoctrination, “make that the organized scam of evolution” of evolution being propagandized to our children. I speak to many people on this subject, more than any other. It would seem that in attempting to merely engage a liberal in religious conversation they retort and smile; as in their mind, they have just bested a bible thumper and their ecstasy upon their belittle smiling face soon results in the most damning liberal arrow in their quiver. They
Re: Ok, Mark, here's your slang thread
That would be Diplomas, and English is my second language. Trust there are many days when I would if I had them with me. Now to address the Proper point. No contraction is considered Proper, nor is any variant; agreed. I am not defending this, I am, however, decrying the entymology of the word. The very point you seem to have skillfully side-stepped. To give credence in any manner to an overwhelmingly negative part of society is, in fact to give them and what they do and stand for, credence and to tacitly support their activities. On Jan 6, 9:20 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: That's a lame defense, sorry. Neither are considered proper English, and both are short-cuts, much like the term peep is short for people. By the way, not that I'm aware of is an example of ending your sentence in a preposition. Might as well piss on your diploma. Go ahead, I ain't watching. :-) On Jan 6, 10:16 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Ain't... no, not that I'm aware of. Y'all yes; and in defense of my position, Ain't is a contraction and Y'all is a variant. Neither is slang. On Jan 6, 8:52 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: All that and you didn't answer my question. Have you ever said ain't? What about ya'll? On Jan 6, 9:11 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Like I said language must PROGRESS, use of slang terms are fine.. yep here it comes again. Let's NOT be Politically Correct. When you choose to freely adopt the terms invented by the stupid, the illiterate, and the lazy assholes of the world that sell the innercity drugs, that do not attend school that are too lazy to get a job, that do most of the murdering, mayhem, and other shit that makes you cringe on a daily basis, that cause entire areas of cities to be so violent the cops won't respond and taxis won't go at night, that leave the needles in the parks... When you adopt the terms put forth by the scum of the earth you IN ESSENCE DO SAY 'YOUR LIFESTYLE AND THAT WHICH YOU DO BOTH TO YOUR SELF AND OTHERS IN SOCIETY AS A WHOLE IS FINE, WE WILL ADOPT YOUR LIFE STYLE TO OUR OWN., YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHANGE, WE LIKE YOU AND WHAT YOU STAND FOR. To them you are saying this loudly, to you it is a small concession and of little importance. There ARE some cases where appearances count.. this is one. Life is a series that starts with baby steps. It is a baby step in the wrong direction. So, if you want to use that cool (see definition 3, below) nigger slang and give credence to societies scum, do so, just remember that by doing so you support them and the style in which they live and force you, or others to live. Main Entry: nig·ger Pronunciation: \ˈni-gər\ Function: noun Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger Date: 1786 1usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person 2usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark- skinned race 3: a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons it's time for somebody to lead all of America's niggers…all the people who feel left out of the political process — Ron Dellums usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry. and no, not all people of color are niggers and yes, you can be white and be one as well. On Jan 5, 10:30 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Back atcha! oops On Jan 5, 11:18 pm, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote: hehehe. You go girl! ;-) On Jan 5, 8:45 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: That is a bit hardcore. I've always been one to correct others on the proper use of the language. However, I do allow for colloquialisms and yes, even slang, but only in the proper environment. I would never use slang while at work or giving a presentation. There is a time and a place for everything. Language is a living, changing thing that must evolve as society evolves. New words are added to official dictionaries every year to reflect a changing society. This even includes peeps:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/peepsThisdoesn'tmakeit part of the proper King's English, but very little of our language is like that anymore. How many times have you put a preposition at the end of a sentence?
Delay Is Alleged in Alaska Arrest
Delay Is Alleged in Alaska Arrest http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05/us/politics/05palin.html?_r=1nl=po... ANCHORAGE (AP) — An investigator and the Alaska State Troopers’ union say political interference delayed the drug arrest of the mother of the boyfriend of Gov. Sarah Palin’s daughter Bristol. The woman, Sherry Johnston, is the mother of Levi Johnston, who is the father of Bristol Palin’s newborn son, Tripp. The investigator, Kyle Young, sent an e-mail message to the union, the Public Safety Employees Association, writing that the warrant for Ms. Johnston had been delayed because of the November general election. Ms. Johnston was arrested Dec. 18 on charges of selling the prescription painkiller OxyContin. More Articles in US » A version of this article appeared in print on January 5, 2009, on page A14 of the New York edition. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
The Ponzi Scheme Presidency: Bush's Legacy of Destruction
The Ponzi Scheme Presidency: Bush's Legacy of Destruction http://www.truthout.org/010509D Tom Engelhardt, TomDispatch.com: With Bush's 'commander-in-chief' presidency only days from its end, the price tag on his 'war' continues to soar as dollars grow scarce, new investors refuse to pay in, and the scheme crumbles. Unfortunately, the American people, typical suckers in such a con game, will be left with a mile-high stack of IOU's. In any Ponzi scheme comparison with Madoff, however, one difference (other than size) stands out. Sooner or later, Madoff, like Charles Ponzi himself, will end up behind bars, while George, Dick, Co. will be writing their memoirs and living off the fat of the land. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
we must never forget Bush Lied, Soldiers Keep Dying.
we must never forget Bush Lied, Soldiers Keep Dying. 4,221 U.S. Military Fatalities in Iraq 630 U.S. Military Fatalities in Afghanistan 31,035 U.S. Military Maimed in Iraq (source: DoD Update as of December 27, 2008) 98,521 Iraqis Reported Killed (source: Iraq Body Count) 1,307,319 Iraqis Reported Killed (source: justforeignpolicy.org) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
Whenever there are more than a million people crouded into an area
less than the size of DC, it is likely to be difficult to drop a bomb
and avoid hitting schools and hospitals and religious institutions. If
there are people crouded in refugee camps, they too have few resources
to avoid the war For the Israelis, it is a bit like shooting at
fish in a bowl. There is great skill in avoiding collateral damage
and the Israeli military clearly doesn't have it. It is most
difficult to believe that the Israelis have any interest in
establishing Peace any time soon, unless they take a page from
Hitler's final solution. At this stage of the battle, it would be
most difficult to find a Gazan, or Palestinian who does not have a
legitimate grievance against the Israelis. If this is allowed to
continue, there is unlikely to be any peace for at least two or three
more generations.
On Jan 6, 10:18 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote:
i will agree both sides are idiots but it is the israelites who are
committing war crimes by bombing civilians .
On Jan 6, 9:47 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
No Mike, It is because both sides are idiots. It is the action taken
along with the intent that counts. Hamas sent rockets into Israel by
their own admission PURPOSELY targeting civilian populations. Israel
is at least targeting places known or which intel says has offensive
capability. The FACT is that Hamas DOES put rocket launchers in school
yards, churches, etc, and counts on the wests softness to decry the
use of force so near the kids.
The parents still send those kids to those places. who is really
at fault ??
Think about if you had a Seven year old granddaughter would you
send her to a studio you knew was shooting kiddie porn movies ??
If you did, would you share any of the blame for what would entail ??
On Jan 6, 8:33 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote:
no travis it is because the Jews are commiting war crimes !
On Jan 6, 9:21 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
That's cause those bastard chickenshit mooseturds use kids as shields.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Florida Cracker
littlemike...@gmail.comwrote:
Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
on Gaza City
http://www.truthout.org/010509B
Dion Nissenbaum, McClatchy Newspapers: Israeli forces began to close
in on Gaza City Monday, ordering families in outlying towns and
neighborhoods to flee, as world leaders launched a renewed push to
bring the 10-day-old conflict to a swift end. Medical officials in
the
Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip said Monday that 523 Palestinians have
been killed by Israeli attacks, including 111 children. That marks a
dramatic spike from the early days of Israeli air strikes that
primarily targeted Hamas-dominated police stations, government
buildings, mosques the Israeli military said were being used to store
weapons, and the homes of Hamas leaders.
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Re: Ok, Mark, here's your slang thread
I don't guess you ever chill out or hang out either, do you? Look, there is no way that my very infrequent use of the word peeps implies any endorsement of any lifestyle whatsoever. It is a term that, like many others, has seeped into the consciousness of popular culture, like it or not. And because it's a short-cut and our society loves short-cuts and abbreviations, it's likely here to stay, regardless of its original source. On Jan 6, 10:44 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: That would be Diplomas, and English is my second language. Trust there are many days when I would if I had them with me. Now to address the Proper point. No contraction is considered Proper, nor is any variant; agreed. I am not defending this, I am, however, decrying the entymology of the word. The very point you seem to have skillfully side-stepped. To give credence in any manner to an overwhelmingly negative part of society is, in fact to give them and what they do and stand for, credence and to tacitly support their activities. On Jan 6, 9:20 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: That's a lame defense, sorry. Neither are considered proper English, and both are short-cuts, much like the term peep is short for people. By the way, not that I'm aware of is an example of ending your sentence in a preposition. Might as well piss on your diploma. Go ahead, I ain't watching. :-) On Jan 6, 10:16 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Ain't... no, not that I'm aware of. Y'all yes; and in defense of my position, Ain't is a contraction and Y'all is a variant. Neither is slang. On Jan 6, 8:52 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: All that and you didn't answer my question. Have you ever said ain't? What about ya'll? On Jan 6, 9:11 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Like I said language must PROGRESS, use of slang terms are fine.. yep here it comes again. Let's NOT be Politically Correct. When you choose to freely adopt the terms invented by the stupid, the illiterate, and the lazy assholes of the world that sell the innercity drugs, that do not attend school that are too lazy to get a job, that do most of the murdering, mayhem, and other shit that makes you cringe on a daily basis, that cause entire areas of cities to be so violent the cops won't respond and taxis won't go at night, that leave the needles in the parks... When you adopt the terms put forth by the scum of the earth you IN ESSENCE DO SAY 'YOUR LIFESTYLE AND THAT WHICH YOU DO BOTH TO YOUR SELF AND OTHERS IN SOCIETY AS A WHOLE IS FINE, WE WILL ADOPT YOUR LIFE STYLE TO OUR OWN., YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHANGE, WE LIKE YOU AND WHAT YOU STAND FOR. To them you are saying this loudly, to you it is a small concession and of little importance. There ARE some cases where appearances count.. this is one. Life is a series that starts with baby steps. It is a baby step in the wrong direction. So, if you want to use that cool (see definition 3, below) nigger slang and give credence to societies scum, do so, just remember that by doing so you support them and the style in which they live and force you, or others to live. Main Entry: nig·ger Pronunciation: \ˈni-gər\ Function: noun Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger Date: 1786 1usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person 2usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark- skinned race 3: a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons it's time for somebody to lead all of America's niggers…all the people who feel left out of the political process — Ron Dellums usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry. and no, not all people of color are niggers and yes, you can be white and be one as well. On Jan 5, 10:30 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Back atcha! oops On Jan 5, 11:18 pm, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote: hehehe. You go girl! ;-) On Jan 5, 8:45 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: That is a bit hardcore. I've always been one to correct others on the proper use of the language. However, I do allow for colloquialisms and yes, even slang, but only in the proper environment. I would never use slang while at
Re: Most Iraqi People Say President Bush Is a Hero,’ Immigrant Says
The SOFA with Iraq for starters... Iraqi politicians, like politicians everywhere, rarely approve a overwhelming disliked policy on such a sensitive subject... Either these Iraqi politicians are not listening to Iraqis or folks like wncs has no clue... I suspect it is the latter... Yes, I know the partisan Arab media has its bias, still the Iraqi people and their politicians could have rejected the American presence, but they did NOT... Yes they want the Americans to leave, but the real question is WHEN... Those who oppose Bush assume it is NOW, the Iraqi people have spoken with actions that the answer is LATER... On Jan 6, 3:20 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: do you have any proof of that ? On Jan 5, 3:54 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: You are right , the shoe throwers are the MINORITY exception... On Jan 5, 8:33 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: ...except for the ones throwing shoes at him. On Jan 5, 7:13 am, lewc...@aol.com lewc...@aol.com wrote: ‘cnsnews.com Wednesday, October 01, 2008 By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer Benny Aldosakee,who worked as a translator for Will Breazeale in Iraq, now is campaigning for the Iraq veteran's congressional campaign in North Carolina. (CNSNews.com/Penny Starr)(CNSNews.com) – Benny Aldosakee left Iraq five months ago, after getting special immigration status through a federal law that allows some translators who worked with the United States in Iraq or Afghanistan to come to America. Aldosakee said that most Iraqis are grateful to President Bush and the U.S. military for removing dictator Saddam Hussein and that the many in the major media, here and abroad, are misinforming people about Iraq and the Middle East. Aldosakee’s journey from his hometown of Dahuk in northern Iraq to his home today in Elizabethtown, N.C., where he is working on a congressional campaign, reveals a portrait of Iraq and its people not often on view to Americans. Aldosakee said before the U.S. led invasion of Iraq, he and his family were resigned to live their lives under Saddam Hussein’s rule. “Because we couldn’t even dream that one day in our lives that Saddam Hussein would be removed from his power,” Aldosakee, 28, told CNSNews.com. “And President Bush did it within a month.” Aldosakee said that fact alone has shaped the opinion of the majority of his countrymen. “Most people in Iraq say President Bush is a hero,” said Aldosakee, who was on Capitol Hill earlier this month for a campaign event for Will Breazeale, a congressional candidate in North Carolina’s 7th district. And Aldosakee, a Sunni Muslim, said that sentiment includes Shia Muslims and the Kurdish people in Iraq. “All of us,” he said. For Aldosakee, the fall of Saddam Hussein inspired him to stand up for his own convictions. In 2005, Aldosakee ran a small Internet café, a business he said was successful. Before that, he had worked for a number of years for the United Nations in Iraq, where he honed his English skills. Then he was offered a different kind of job. “One day an Iraqi general was looking for (someone) to actually translate between him and (the) American forces,” Aldosakee told CNSNews.com. “He couldn’t find anybody, because everyone was scared. They were afraid to go and work for the military. So he asked me to go with him. I went back home, and I told my parents.” In Iraq, Aldosakee explained, even a grown man has to ask his parents’ permission when making a life-changing decision. His parents were against his plan. But Aldosakee asked his father if he could explain why he wanted to work as a translator for the U.S. military. “I said, ‘Dad, who do you think I’m going to work for?’ He said, ‘Americans.’ I said, “Who are those Americans?’ He said, ‘Americans are Americans.’ I said, ‘No, they are not only Americans. They are those people who sacrificed themselves, their blood, and they left their kids behind, they left their country – the greatest country in the world – and came here to give me freedom, so why shouldn’t I go help them to free my people?’ So my father looked at me and said, ‘Go, son. Go.’” “That was an amazing day for me,” said Aldosakee. Aldosakee’s assignment involved working with a military transition team, which is a team of U.S. military in charge of training the Iraqi army. That is how he met Will Breazeale, a three-time combat veteran of the wars in Iraq and Kuwait. In 2006, Breazeale was deployed to Iraq as an army reservist who advised an Iraqi division headquarters company commander. For one year, Aldosakee worked as a translator with Breazeale, a working relationship that led to mutual respect and friendship. Breazeale was a witness to Aldosakee’s good work
Re: Most Iraqi People Say President Bush Is a Hero,’ Immigrant Says
Repeating a lie will not make it true... But I understand why you have learned this tactic for the Hitler and Stalin propaganda machines... On Jan 6, 4:05 am, \Lone Wolf\ phoeni...@gmail.com wrote: Never underestimate the power of denial. What planet are you living on? The vast MAJORITY of the world's population recoil in disgust at the mention of Bushes name and would rather have seen a grenade thrown at this reprehensible murdering despot instead of a shoe. Conservatism has been exposed as a filthy backward, misanthropic racist ideology supported by degenerates, Neaderthals and facists that has been consigned to the trash heap of history. Republicans and Democrats (who are just as conservative as the GOP) alike will be held responsible for their hienous crimes against humanity, every last one of them. Obama is showing his true colors with his silence on Israel while involving himself in giving away more public funds to Wall St parasites.. On Jan 6, 7:54 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: You are right , the shoe throwers are the MINORITY exception... On Jan 5, 8:33 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: ...except for the ones throwing shoes at him. On Jan 5, 7:13 am, lewc...@aol.com lewc...@aol.com wrote: ‘cnsnews.com Wednesday, October 01, 2008 By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer Benny Aldosakee,who worked as a translator for Will Breazeale in Iraq, now is campaigning for the Iraq veteran's congressional campaign in North Carolina. (CNSNews.com/Penny Starr)(CNSNews.com) – Benny Aldosakee left Iraq five months ago, after getting special immigration status through a federal law that allows some translators who worked with the United States in Iraq or Afghanistan to come to America. Aldosakee said that most Iraqis are grateful to President Bush and the U.S. military for removing dictator Saddam Hussein and that the many in the major media, here and abroad, are misinforming people about Iraq and the Middle East. Aldosakee’s journey from his hometown of Dahuk in northern Iraq to his home today in Elizabethtown, N.C., where he is working on a congressional campaign, reveals a portrait of Iraq and its people not often on view to Americans. Aldosakee said before the U.S. led invasion of Iraq, he and his family were resigned to live their lives under Saddam Hussein’s rule. “Because we couldn’t even dream that one day in our lives that Saddam Hussein would be removed from his power,” Aldosakee, 28, told CNSNews.com. “And President Bush did it within a month.” Aldosakee said that fact alone has shaped the opinion of the majority of his countrymen. “Most people in Iraq say President Bush is a hero,” said Aldosakee, who was on Capitol Hill earlier this month for a campaign event for Will Breazeale, a congressional candidate in North Carolina’s 7th district. And Aldosakee, a Sunni Muslim, said that sentiment includes Shia Muslims and the Kurdish people in Iraq. “All of us,” he said. For Aldosakee, the fall of Saddam Hussein inspired him to stand up for his own convictions. In 2005, Aldosakee ran a small Internet café, a business he said was successful. Before that, he had worked for a number of years for the United Nations in Iraq, where he honed his English skills. Then he was offered a different kind of job. “One day an Iraqi general was looking for (someone) to actually translate between him and (the) American forces,” Aldosakee told CNSNews.com. “He couldn’t find anybody, because everyone was scared. They were afraid to go and work for the military. So he asked me to go with him. I went back home, and I told my parents.” In Iraq, Aldosakee explained, even a grown man has to ask his parents’ permission when making a life-changing decision. His parents were against his plan. But Aldosakee asked his father if he could explain why he wanted to work as a translator for the U.S. military. “I said, ‘Dad, who do you think I’m going to work for?’ He said, ‘Americans.’ I said, “Who are those Americans?’ He said, ‘Americans are Americans.’ I said, ‘No, they are not only Americans. They are those people who sacrificed themselves, their blood, and they left their kids behind, they left their country – the greatest country in the world – and came here to give me freedom, so why shouldn’t I go help them to free my people?’ So my father looked at me and said, ‘Go, son. Go.’” “That was an amazing day for me,” said Aldosakee. Aldosakee’s assignment involved working with a military transition team, which is a team of U.S. military in charge of training the Iraqi army. That is how he met Will Breazeale, a three-time combat veteran of the wars in Iraq and Kuwait. In 2006, Breazeale was deployed to Iraq as an army reservist who advised an
Re: Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
i agree 100%
On Jan 6, 10:49 am, margareth mzeba...@sympatico.ca wrote:
Whenever there are more than a million people crouded into an area
less than the size of DC, it is likely to be difficult to drop a bomb
and avoid hitting schools and hospitals and religious institutions. If
there are people crouded in refugee camps, they too have few resources
to avoid the war For the Israelis, it is a bit like shooting at
fish in a bowl. There is great skill in avoiding collateral damage
and the Israeli military clearly doesn't have it. It is most
difficult to believe that the Israelis have any interest in
establishing Peace any time soon, unless they take a page from
Hitler's final solution. At this stage of the battle, it would be
most difficult to find a Gazan, or Palestinian who does not have a
legitimate grievance against the Israelis. If this is allowed to
continue, there is unlikely to be any peace for at least two or three
more generations.
On Jan 6, 10:18 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote:
i will agree both sides are idiots but it is the israelites who are
committing war crimes by bombing civilians .
On Jan 6, 9:47 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
No Mike, It is because both sides are idiots. It is the action taken
along with the intent that counts. Hamas sent rockets into Israel by
their own admission PURPOSELY targeting civilian populations. Israel
is at least targeting places known or which intel says has offensive
capability. The FACT is that Hamas DOES put rocket launchers in school
yards, churches, etc, and counts on the wests softness to decry the
use of force so near the kids.
The parents still send those kids to those places. who is really
at fault ??
Think about if you had a Seven year old granddaughter would you
send her to a studio you knew was shooting kiddie porn movies ??
If you did, would you share any of the blame for what would entail ??
On Jan 6, 8:33 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote:
no travis it is because the Jews are commiting war crimes !
On Jan 6, 9:21 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
That's cause those bastard chickenshit mooseturds use kids as shields.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Florida Cracker
littlemike...@gmail.comwrote:
Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
on Gaza City
http://www.truthout.org/010509B
Dion Nissenbaum, McClatchy Newspapers: Israeli forces began to
close
in on Gaza City Monday, ordering families in outlying towns and
neighborhoods to flee, as world leaders launched a renewed push to
bring the 10-day-old conflict to a swift end. Medical officials in
the
Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip said Monday that 523 Palestinians have
been killed by Israeli attacks, including 111 children. That marks a
dramatic spike from the early days of Israeli air strikes that
primarily targeted Hamas-dominated police stations, government
buildings, mosques the Israeli military said were being used to
store
weapons, and the homes of Hamas leaders.
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Re: Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
Both sides are bombing, rocketing civilians. The difference being that
one side has it as a stated policy.
On Jan 6, 9:18 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote:
i will agree both sides are idiots but it is the israelites who are
committing war crimes by bombing civilians .
On Jan 6, 9:47 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
No Mike, It is because both sides are idiots. It is the action taken
along with the intent that counts. Hamas sent rockets into Israel by
their own admission PURPOSELY targeting civilian populations. Israel
is at least targeting places known or which intel says has offensive
capability. The FACT is that Hamas DOES put rocket launchers in school
yards, churches, etc, and counts on the wests softness to decry the
use of force so near the kids.
The parents still send those kids to those places. who is really
at fault ??
Think about if you had a Seven year old granddaughter would you
send her to a studio you knew was shooting kiddie porn movies ??
If you did, would you share any of the blame for what would entail ??
On Jan 6, 8:33 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote:
no travis it is because the Jews are commiting war crimes !
On Jan 6, 9:21 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
That's cause those bastard chickenshit mooseturds use kids as shields.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Florida Cracker
littlemike...@gmail.comwrote:
Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
on Gaza City
http://www.truthout.org/010509B
Dion Nissenbaum, McClatchy Newspapers: Israeli forces began to close
in on Gaza City Monday, ordering families in outlying towns and
neighborhoods to flee, as world leaders launched a renewed push to
bring the 10-day-old conflict to a swift end. Medical officials in
the
Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip said Monday that 523 Palestinians have
been killed by Israeli attacks, including 111 children. That marks a
dramatic spike from the early days of Israeli air strikes that
primarily targeted Hamas-dominated police stations, government
buildings, mosques the Israeli military said were being used to store
weapons, and the homes of Hamas leaders.
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Re: Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
At this stage of the battle, it would be
most difficult to find a Gazan, or Palestinian who does not have a
legitimate grievance against the Israelis. If this is allowed to
continue, there is unlikely to be any peace for at least two or three
more generations.
Margareth,
The inverse is also just as true. What do you mean two or three more
generations ?? Until THEY solve it, it will remain unsolved.
On Jan 6, 9:49 am, margareth mzeba...@sympatico.ca wrote:
Whenever there are more than a million people crouded into an area
less than the size of DC, it is likely to be difficult to drop a bomb
and avoid hitting schools and hospitals and religious institutions. If
there are people crouded in refugee camps, they too have few resources
to avoid the war For the Israelis, it is a bit like shooting at
fish in a bowl. There is great skill in avoiding collateral damage
and the Israeli military clearly doesn't have it. It is most
difficult to believe that the Israelis have any interest in
establishing Peace any time soon, unless they take a page from
Hitler's final solution. At this stage of the battle, it would be
most difficult to find a Gazan, or Palestinian who does not have a
legitimate grievance against the Israelis. If this is allowed to
continue, there is unlikely to be any peace for at least two or three
more generations.
On Jan 6, 10:18 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote:
i will agree both sides are idiots but it is the israelites who are
committing war crimes by bombing civilians .
On Jan 6, 9:47 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
No Mike, It is because both sides are idiots. It is the action taken
along with the intent that counts. Hamas sent rockets into Israel by
their own admission PURPOSELY targeting civilian populations. Israel
is at least targeting places known or which intel says has offensive
capability. The FACT is that Hamas DOES put rocket launchers in school
yards, churches, etc, and counts on the wests softness to decry the
use of force so near the kids.
The parents still send those kids to those places. who is really
at fault ??
Think about if you had a Seven year old granddaughter would you
send her to a studio you knew was shooting kiddie porn movies ??
If you did, would you share any of the blame for what would entail ??
On Jan 6, 8:33 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote:
no travis it is because the Jews are commiting war crimes !
On Jan 6, 9:21 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
That's cause those bastard chickenshit mooseturds use kids as shields.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Florida Cracker
littlemike...@gmail.comwrote:
Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
on Gaza City
http://www.truthout.org/010509B
Dion Nissenbaum, McClatchy Newspapers: Israeli forces began to
close
in on Gaza City Monday, ordering families in outlying towns and
neighborhoods to flee, as world leaders launched a renewed push to
bring the 10-day-old conflict to a swift end. Medical officials in
the
Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip said Monday that 523 Palestinians have
been killed by Israeli attacks, including 111 children. That marks a
dramatic spike from the early days of Israeli air strikes that
primarily targeted Hamas-dominated police stations, government
buildings, mosques the Israeli military said were being used to
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Re: Delay Is Alleged in Alaska Arrest
Such nice people. On Jan 6, 10:45 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: Delay Is Alleged in Alaska Arresthttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05/us/politics/05palin.html?_r=1nl=po... ANCHORAGE (AP) — An investigator and the Alaska State Troopers’ union say political interference delayed the drug arrest of the mother of the boyfriend of Gov. Sarah Palin’s daughter Bristol. The woman, Sherry Johnston, is the mother of Levi Johnston, who is the father of Bristol Palin’s newborn son, Tripp. The investigator, Kyle Young, sent an e-mail message to the union, the Public Safety Employees Association, writing that the warrant for Ms. Johnston had been delayed because of the November general election. Ms. Johnston was arrested Dec. 18 on charges of selling the prescription painkiller OxyContin. More Articles in US » A version of this article appeared in print on January 5, 2009, on page A14 of the New York edition. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
Do the Israelis who have been bombed have a legitimate grievance
againt the GOVERNMENT of GazaIsn't placing lauchers in
civilian areas against the Geneva accords???
On Jan 6, 10:49 am, margareth mzeba...@sympatico.ca wrote:
Whenever there are more than a million people crouded into an area
less than the size of DC, it is likely to be difficult to drop a bomb
and avoid hitting schools and hospitals and religious institutions. If
there are people crouded in refugee camps, they too have few resources
to avoid the war For the Israelis, it is a bit like shooting at
fish in a bowl. There is great skill in avoiding collateral damage
and the Israeli military clearly doesn't have it. It is most
difficult to believe that the Israelis have any interest in
establishing Peace any time soon, unless they take a page from
Hitler's final solution. At this stage of the battle, it would be
most difficult to find a Gazan, or Palestinian who does not have a
legitimate grievance against the Israelis. If this is allowed to
continue, there is unlikely to be any peace for at least two or three
more generations.
On Jan 6, 10:18 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote:
i will agree both sides are idiots but it is the israelites who are
committing war crimes by bombing civilians .
On Jan 6, 9:47 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
No Mike, It is because both sides are idiots. It is the action taken
along with the intent that counts. Hamas sent rockets into Israel by
their own admission PURPOSELY targeting civilian populations. Israel
is at least targeting places known or which intel says has offensive
capability. The FACT is that Hamas DOES put rocket launchers in school
yards, churches, etc, and counts on the wests softness to decry the
use of force so near the kids.
The parents still send those kids to those places. who is really
at fault ??
Think about if you had a Seven year old granddaughter would you
send her to a studio you knew was shooting kiddie porn movies ??
If you did, would you share any of the blame for what would entail ??
On Jan 6, 8:33 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote:
no travis it is because the Jews are commiting war crimes !
On Jan 6, 9:21 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
That's cause those bastard chickenshit mooseturds use kids as shields.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Florida Cracker
littlemike...@gmail.comwrote:
Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
on Gaza City
http://www.truthout.org/010509B
Dion Nissenbaum, McClatchy Newspapers: Israeli forces began to
close
in on Gaza City Monday, ordering families in outlying towns and
neighborhoods to flee, as world leaders launched a renewed push to
bring the 10-day-old conflict to a swift end. Medical officials in
the
Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip said Monday that 523 Palestinians have
been killed by Israeli attacks, including 111 children. That marks a
dramatic spike from the early days of Israeli air strikes that
primarily targeted Hamas-dominated police stations, government
buildings, mosques the Israeli military said were being used to
store
weapons, and the homes of Hamas leaders.
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Re: Ok, Mark, here's your slang thread
I do feel sorry that expedience is more or as important than the apparent damage done by complacent acceptance' of the sub-culture that is the root cause of most of your on-street violence. On Jan 6, 9:53 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: I don't guess you ever chill out or hang out either, do you? Look, there is no way that my very infrequent use of the word peeps implies any endorsement of any lifestyle whatsoever. It is a term that, like many others, has seeped into the consciousness of popular culture, like it or not. And because it's a short-cut and our society loves short-cuts and abbreviations, it's likely here to stay, regardless of its original source. On Jan 6, 10:44 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: That would be Diplomas, and English is my second language. Trust there are many days when I would if I had them with me. Now to address the Proper point. No contraction is considered Proper, nor is any variant; agreed. I am not defending this, I am, however, decrying the entymology of the word. The very point you seem to have skillfully side-stepped. To give credence in any manner to an overwhelmingly negative part of society is, in fact to give them and what they do and stand for, credence and to tacitly support their activities. On Jan 6, 9:20 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: That's a lame defense, sorry. Neither are considered proper English, and both are short-cuts, much like the term peep is short for people. By the way, not that I'm aware of is an example of ending your sentence in a preposition. Might as well piss on your diploma. Go ahead, I ain't watching. :-) On Jan 6, 10:16 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Ain't... no, not that I'm aware of. Y'all yes; and in defense of my position, Ain't is a contraction and Y'all is a variant. Neither is slang. On Jan 6, 8:52 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: All that and you didn't answer my question. Have you ever said ain't? What about ya'll? On Jan 6, 9:11 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Like I said language must PROGRESS, use of slang terms are fine.. yep here it comes again. Let's NOT be Politically Correct. When you choose to freely adopt the terms invented by the stupid, the illiterate, and the lazy assholes of the world that sell the innercity drugs, that do not attend school that are too lazy to get a job, that do most of the murdering, mayhem, and other shit that makes you cringe on a daily basis, that cause entire areas of cities to be so violent the cops won't respond and taxis won't go at night, that leave the needles in the parks... When you adopt the terms put forth by the scum of the earth you IN ESSENCE DO SAY 'YOUR LIFESTYLE AND THAT WHICH YOU DO BOTH TO YOUR SELF AND OTHERS IN SOCIETY AS A WHOLE IS FINE, WE WILL ADOPT YOUR LIFE STYLE TO OUR OWN., YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHANGE, WE LIKE YOU AND WHAT YOU STAND FOR. To them you are saying this loudly, to you it is a small concession and of little importance. There ARE some cases where appearances count.. this is one. Life is a series that starts with baby steps. It is a baby step in the wrong direction. So, if you want to use that cool (see definition 3, below) nigger slang and give credence to societies scum, do so, just remember that by doing so you support them and the style in which they live and force you, or others to live. Main Entry: nig·ger Pronunciation: \ˈni-gər\ Function: noun Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger Date: 1786 1usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person 2usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark- skinned race 3: a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons it's time for somebody to lead all of America's niggers…all the people who feel left out of the political process — Ron Dellums usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry. and no, not all people of color are niggers and yes, you can be white and be one as well. On Jan 5, 10:30 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Back atcha! oops On Jan 5, 11:18 pm, NavyBrat
Re: Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
Yes, it is against the accords and the type of rockets they are using
are also banned weaponry, but then they know this
On Jan 6, 9:59 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote:
Do the Israelis who have been bombed have a legitimate grievance
againt the GOVERNMENT of Gaza Isn't placing lauchers in
civilian areas against the Geneva accords???
On Jan 6, 10:49 am, margareth mzeba...@sympatico.ca wrote:
Whenever there are more than a million people crouded into an area
less than the size of DC, it is likely to be difficult to drop a bomb
and avoid hitting schools and hospitals and religious institutions. If
there are people crouded in refugee camps, they too have few resources
to avoid the war For the Israelis, it is a bit like shooting at
fish in a bowl. There is great skill in avoiding collateral damage
and the Israeli military clearly doesn't have it. It is most
difficult to believe that the Israelis have any interest in
establishing Peace any time soon, unless they take a page from
Hitler's final solution. At this stage of the battle, it would be
most difficult to find a Gazan, or Palestinian who does not have a
legitimate grievance against the Israelis. If this is allowed to
continue, there is unlikely to be any peace for at least two or three
more generations.
On Jan 6, 10:18 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote:
i will agree both sides are idiots but it is the israelites who are
committing war crimes by bombing civilians .
On Jan 6, 9:47 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
No Mike, It is because both sides are idiots. It is the action taken
along with the intent that counts. Hamas sent rockets into Israel by
their own admission PURPOSELY targeting civilian populations. Israel
is at least targeting places known or which intel says has offensive
capability. The FACT is that Hamas DOES put rocket launchers in school
yards, churches, etc, and counts on the wests softness to decry the
use of force so near the kids.
The parents still send those kids to those places. who is really
at fault ??
Think about if you had a Seven year old granddaughter would you
send her to a studio you knew was shooting kiddie porn movies ??
If you did, would you share any of the blame for what would entail ??
On Jan 6, 8:33 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote:
no travis it is because the Jews are commiting war crimes !
On Jan 6, 9:21 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
That's cause those bastard chickenshit mooseturds use kids as
shields.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Florida Cracker
littlemike...@gmail.comwrote:
Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses
in
on Gaza City
http://www.truthout.org/010509B
Dion Nissenbaum, McClatchy Newspapers: Israeli forces began to
close
in on Gaza City Monday, ordering families in outlying towns and
neighborhoods to flee, as world leaders launched a renewed push to
bring the 10-day-old conflict to a swift end. Medical officials in
the
Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip said Monday that 523 Palestinians have
been killed by Israeli attacks, including 111 children. That
marks a
dramatic spike from the early days of Israeli air strikes that
primarily targeted Hamas-dominated police stations, government
buildings, mosques the Israeli military said were being used to
store
weapons, and the homes of Hamas leaders.
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Re: why is it libs never condemn terrorists???
Mark, As i said, I obviously have a kind and gentle nature. On Jan 5, 9:13 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: could we substitute oregano ?? I got a mean streak. On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.comwrote: TAO, Amen to that. But, as I am a kind and gentle soul by nature, I would allow each 10 minutes with the sky-pilot of their choice before putting them up against a wall and shooting them. On Jan 5, 8:44 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: They are both (palistine/hamas/gaza and israel) IDIOTS. As to bad mouthing a suicide bomber... why ?? They ARE dead. As to the mentality that leads to them... Religious fanatics by any name or religion should be lined up and shot. No good has ever come from ANY form of fanatisism ESPECIALLY religious. On Jan 5, 8:14 pm, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote: Oh...didn't you here? Israel deserves it. The US deserves it. Until that part of the world love their children more than their religion...there will be no peace. On Jan 5, 4:03 pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: libs are all over Israel for defending herself. just read all the crap poswted here by the libs. yet a woman terrorist blew herself up killing people at a mosque in iraq. the silence is deafening. the attacks in India by terrorists is followed by what? nothing from the libs. terrorists lob rocket into Israel every day, and yet according to libs, it is Israels fault. terrorists kill more and more people everyday, and no condemnation from the left. I guess it is safe to assume that since there is no outcry against the terrorists, that must mean that the libs must have no problems with the terrorists. and somehow this should come as no surprise.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: why is it libs never condemn terrorists???
Mike, I would not care if they were MY kids (or yours for that matter... are you black or brown??). If i am stupid enough to send my kids to what I KNOW is a target it is me that killed them. Is THAT clear enough for you ?? On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: I really don't care what color it is painted or whose kids are inside. do you mean as long as the kids are dark skinned ? would you feel the same way if they were white kids from America attending school in Gaza ? On Jan 6, 9:31 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Not a nice try I really don't care what color it is painted or whose kids are inside. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: nice try sparky ! On Jan 6, 9:16 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: I don't care what color its painted. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: don't you mean a black day care center ? On Jan 6, 8:37 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: define murder please. Cause i'll tell ya what if some asshole sets up a rocket launcher inside a day care center I could bomb the place with a clear concious. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the murder of civilian men women and children during any conflict by armed militias is a war crime and an act of terrorism no mater who does it ! On Jan 5, 6:03 pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: libs are all over Israel for defending herself. just read all the crap poswted here by the libs.yet a woman terrorist blew herself up killing people at a mosque in iraq. the silence is deafening. the attacks in India by terrorists is followed by what? nothing from the libs. terrorists lob rocket into Israel every day, and yet according to libs, it is Israels fault. terrorists kill more and more people everyday, and no condemnation from the left. I guess it is safe to assume that since there is no outcry against the terrorists, that must mean that the libs must have no problems with the terrorists. and somehow this should come as no surprise. -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rambling thoughts at Random and Religion
No idea... but he sure beats that drum. On 1/6/09, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: TAO, I'm with you on that. Wonder what ol' Jim W. has against free enterprise and capitalism? I think he's one of them damned communists or something. On Jan 6, 9:24 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: My free exercise of Religion is not see or have to deal with yours in the public square. Kind of like Democracy it's not listed in any of those documents (DOI, or Constitution) you mention either. And, as Holly, where is that place where titty bars outnumber the churches I would like that same info... sounds like a whorehouse should be a slam-dunk there.. I'm aleays looking to expand. On Jan 6, 9:15 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: Jim W. Where EXACTLY do titty-bars outnumber churches? What's the housing market there like? Good waether? I could move easily enough. :-) On Jan 6, 3:40 am, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: After a good deal of synaptic, neurological electrical activity within my abnormally large cerebellum, I finally had an epiphany. A great light suddenly showered me with the bright glow of incandescence, flooding my senses with knowledge and wisdom. It was a come to Jesus moment, for me, a pivot point; if you will. For you see; after my conversion to conservatism, and with that conversion the indisputable knowledge that the greatest impediment to conservatism is liberalism. Yet, this was not only an idealistic chasm of divide; It is by all accounts war; a war between two opposing views and denominations. As my transformation into conservatism from a pot smoking, long haired, maggot infested F.M. radio type, usually reeking of tear gas strength body odor and, you know the type, every other word from their pie hole is both most vulgar and sprinkled with heavy doses of, DUDE. Personally, I look upon these filthy potty mouths with disdain. For; I see this type of language as a deficiency in vocabulary and verbal sloth, maybe even negligence in their upbringing. I'm just saying…….. But alas; I'm certain you are now convinced that my thought pattern has run off the rail and I am lost in the dark seeking a coherent thought. Not true and I require not, mone me. Oh no my disbeliever; I haven't lost my place, I never do. Tag back to my original eyes wide open epiphany of sorts. For literally hundreds of years the war between Liberals vs. Conservatism has been waged in diametrically distinctly different fashions. Conservatives posit intelligent reason and views into the national debate. Our weapons are ideas. We present tried and true solutions for the ills befouled upon the masses in an attempt to educate. Conservatives put forth truisms based on proven historical context with an abiding knowledge of the intent of those founders of this great nation. We use the constitution as our soapbox and hold in reverence those men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor, just to bring forth the greatest country ever conceived. Yet, we are a peaceful movement, though adamant in our righteousness and our unstoppable passion to get back to our constitution and everything that entails. For the most part we are God loving Christians. Yet, our numbers are dwindling. God has been taken out of the public schools, out of the public square. In its stead the indoctrination, make that the organized scam of evolution of evolution being propagandized to our children. I speak to many people on this subject, more than any other. It would seem that in attempting to merely engage a liberal in religious conversation they retort and smile; as in their mind, they have just bested a bible thumper and their ecstasy upon their belittle smiling face soon results in the most damning liberal arrow in their quiver. They will quote our constitution, almost verbatim as they look smugly down on their victim. Oh, the satisfied look on their face. After all, everyone knows us Christians to be inbred rubes, living in a run down, single wide mobile home with a passel of little nippers. Liberals see the downtrodden as using our God as a crutch. Because, in their cynical mind; only the weak would worship a deity that can't be proven with modern science. Yet we Christians have been blessed with faith. Because with the absence of proof, one must have a deep, unshakable and sincere belief, even when faced with no tangible, scientific proof of the religious tenets Christians hold dear and give them peace and a great comfort. Yet; I would postulate this most prescient, truism. Religion; by design has but two codicils requiring an unwavering allegiance to. Acceptance of Jesus Christ;
Re: Ok, Mark, here's your slang thread
I think you're stereotyping. Just because the term peeps may have its origins in inner-city blacks, that does not necessarily mean that only criminals use that term, or that anyone who uses that terms supports such a lifestyle. By the way, I did not know English was your second language. I knew you spoke more than one language but I thought English was your primary. On Jan 6, 11:04 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: I do feel sorry that expedience is more or as important than the apparent damage done by complacent acceptance' of the sub-culture that is the root cause of most of your on-street violence. On Jan 6, 9:53 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: I don't guess you ever chill out or hang out either, do you? Look, there is no way that my very infrequent use of the word peeps implies any endorsement of any lifestyle whatsoever. It is a term that, like many others, has seeped into the consciousness of popular culture, like it or not. And because it's a short-cut and our society loves short-cuts and abbreviations, it's likely here to stay, regardless of its original source. On Jan 6, 10:44 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: That would be Diplomas, and English is my second language. Trust there are many days when I would if I had them with me. Now to address the Proper point. No contraction is considered Proper, nor is any variant; agreed. I am not defending this, I am, however, decrying the entymology of the word. The very point you seem to have skillfully side-stepped. To give credence in any manner to an overwhelmingly negative part of society is, in fact to give them and what they do and stand for, credence and to tacitly support their activities. On Jan 6, 9:20 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: That's a lame defense, sorry. Neither are considered proper English, and both are short-cuts, much like the term peep is short for people. By the way, not that I'm aware of is an example of ending your sentence in a preposition. Might as well piss on your diploma. Go ahead, I ain't watching. :-) On Jan 6, 10:16 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Ain't... no, not that I'm aware of. Y'all yes; and in defense of my position, Ain't is a contraction and Y'all is a variant. Neither is slang. On Jan 6, 8:52 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: All that and you didn't answer my question. Have you ever said ain't? What about ya'll? On Jan 6, 9:11 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Like I said language must PROGRESS, use of slang terms are fine.. yep here it comes again. Let's NOT be Politically Correct. When you choose to freely adopt the terms invented by the stupid, the illiterate, and the lazy assholes of the world that sell the innercity drugs, that do not attend school that are too lazy to get a job, that do most of the murdering, mayhem, and other shit that makes you cringe on a daily basis, that cause entire areas of cities to be so violent the cops won't respond and taxis won't go at night, that leave the needles in the parks... When you adopt the terms put forth by the scum of the earth you IN ESSENCE DO SAY 'YOUR LIFESTYLE AND THAT WHICH YOU DO BOTH TO YOUR SELF AND OTHERS IN SOCIETY AS A WHOLE IS FINE, WE WILL ADOPT YOUR LIFE STYLE TO OUR OWN., YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHANGE, WE LIKE YOU AND WHAT YOU STAND FOR. To them you are saying this loudly, to you it is a small concession and of little importance. There ARE some cases where appearances count.. this is one. Life is a series that starts with baby steps. It is a baby step in the wrong direction. So, if you want to use that cool (see definition 3, below) nigger slang and give credence to societies scum, do so, just remember that by doing so you support them and the style in which they live and force you, or others to live. Main Entry: nig·ger Pronunciation: \ˈni-gər\ Function: noun Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger Date: 1786 1usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person 2usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark- skinned race 3: a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons it's time for somebody to lead all of America's niggers…all the people who feel left out of the political process — Ron Dellums usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past
Re: why is it libs never condemn terrorists???
To your point http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2009/01/operation-cast-leads-qana-moment.html http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008756 International law has three major prohibitions relevant to the Qana incident. One forbids deliberate attacks on civilians. Another prohibits hiding forces in civilian areas, thereby turning civilians into human shields. A third prohibition, the proportionality restriction that Israel is accused of violating, involves a complicated and controversial balancing test. Geneva Convention Protocol I contains one version of the proportionality test, the International Criminal Court Statute another; neither is universally accepted. As a result, the proportionality test is governed by customary international law, an amalgam of non-universal treaty law, court decisions, and how influential nations actually behave. It does not hinge on the relative number of casualties, or the force used, however, but on the intent of the combatant. Under customary international law, proportionality prohibits attacks expected to cause incidental death or injury to civilians if this harm would, on balance, be excessive in relation to the overall legitimate military accomplishment anticipated. On Jan 5, 10:13 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: could we substitute oregano ?? I got a mean streak. On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.comwrote: TAO, Amen to that. But, as I am a kind and gentle soul by nature, I would allow each 10 minutes with the sky-pilot of their choice before putting them up against a wall and shooting them. On Jan 5, 8:44 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: They are both (palistine/hamas/gaza and israel) IDIOTS. As to bad mouthing a suicide bomber... why ?? They ARE dead. As to the mentality that leads to them... Religious fanatics by any name or religion should be lined up and shot. No good has ever come from ANY form of fanatisism ESPECIALLY religious. On Jan 5, 8:14 pm, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote: Oh...didn't you here? Israel deserves it. The US deserves it. Until that part of the world love their children more than their religion...there will be no peace. On Jan 5, 4:03 pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: libs are all over Israel for defending herself. just read all the crap poswted here by the libs. yet a woman terrorist blew herself up killing people at a mosque in iraq. the silence is deafening. the attacks in India by terrorists is followed by what? nothing from the libs. terrorists lob rocket into Israel every day, and yet according to libs, it is Israels fault. terrorists kill more and more people everyday, and no condemnation from the left. I guess it is safe to assume that since there is no outcry against the terrorists, that must mean that the libs must have no problems with the terrorists. and somehow this should come as no surprise.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Delay Is Alleged in Alaska Arrest
yup real sweethearts ! On Jan 6, 10:59 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Such nice people. On Jan 6, 10:45 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: Delay Is Alleged in Alaska Arresthttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05/us/politics/05palin.html?_r=1nl=po... ANCHORAGE (AP) — An investigator and the Alaska State Troopers’ union say political interference delayed the drug arrest of the mother of the boyfriend of Gov. Sarah Palin’s daughter Bristol. The woman, Sherry Johnston, is the mother of Levi Johnston, who is the father of Bristol Palin’s newborn son, Tripp. The investigator, Kyle Young, sent an e-mail message to the union, the Public Safety Employees Association, writing that the warrant for Ms. Johnston had been delayed because of the November general election. Ms. Johnston was arrested Dec. 18 on charges of selling the prescription painkiller OxyContin. More Articles in US » A version of this article appeared in print on January 5, 2009, on page A14 of the New York edition.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: why is it libs never condemn terrorists???
lower case mark you lack credibility and a lack of knowledge about the issue . these people live there and are being killed . which is a war crime ! On Jan 6, 11:12 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Mike, I would not care if they were MY kids (or yours for that matter... are you black or brown??). If i am stupid enough to send my kids to what I KNOW is a target it is me that killed them. Is THAT clear enough for you ?? On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: I really don't care what color it is painted or whose kids are inside. do you mean as long as the kids are dark skinned ? would you feel the same way if they were white kids from America attending school in Gaza ? On Jan 6, 9:31 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Not a nice try I really don't care what color it is painted or whose kids are inside. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: nice try sparky ! On Jan 6, 9:16 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: I don't care what color its painted. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: don't you mean a black day care center ? On Jan 6, 8:37 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: define murder please. Cause i'll tell ya what if some asshole sets up a rocket launcher inside a day care center I could bomb the place with a clear concious. On 1/6/09, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the murder of civilian men women and children during any conflict by armed militias is a war crime and an act of terrorism no mater who does it ! On Jan 5, 6:03 pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: libs are all over Israel for defending herself. just read all the crap poswted here by the libs. yet a woman terrorist blew herself up killing people at a mosque in iraq. the silence is deafening. the attacks in India by terrorists is followed by what? nothing from the libs. terrorists lob rocket into Israel every day, and yet according to libs, it is Israels fault. terrorists kill more and more people everyday, and no condemnation from the left. I guess it is safe to assume that since there is no outcry against the terrorists, that must mean that the libs must have no problems with the terrorists. and somehow this should come as no surprise. -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Mark M. Kahle Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Unprecedented Numbers of Americans Question Israel's Actions in Gaza - By Max Blumenthal, Huffington Post. Posted January 6, 2009.
Dear Mr. Ghulam Muhammed: With in America, only unprecedented Numbers (almost all) of Americans 'Muslims' Question Israel's Actions in Gaza. They are not able to understand the sympathy extended to a 'hot head' terrorist organization HAMAs, who is determined to fire 50 or more rockets per day. This is war on terror where the non state actors don't bother about the causality of their civilians people; they are more bothered by their 'ego'. Whether it is Taliban vs USA/NATO or HAMAs Vs israel, they know very well that this is a fight between Mouse Vs Elephant. Mouse (Taliban/HAMAs/Hizbollahs) can pretend to win by playing hide and seek, but at the end of the day, they are no match for elephants. While your concerns for palestnian Civilian casualities appreciated, we don't see any concerns from you regarding the plights of Israeli people, who begin their day expecting a Hamas rocket at any moment. Copying to Political forum so that people of USA will deny the following statement; I know that , after experiencing 9/11, there is hardly any one who will sympthasize with Hamas. You might be aware of that Bush Administration has blocked an UN resolution for unilateral ceasefire and Israeli PM reiterated same to the visiting France President. Let us wait for the end of HAMAs. In Arab countries, it is surprising that political parties, who fight elections, prefer to keep a militant wing. Thanks Manoj Padhi -- Forwarded message -- From: ghulam. muhammed ghulam.muham...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM Subject: Unprecedented Numbers of Americans Question Israel's Actions in Gaza - By Max Blumenthal, Huffington Post. Posted January 6, 2009. http://www.alternet.org/audits/117568/?page=entire Unprecedented Numbers of Americans Question Israel's Actions in Gaza *By Max Blumenthal http://www.alternet.org/authors/6621/, Huffington Posthttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/. Posted January 6, 2009http://www.alternet.org/ts/archives/?date%5BF%5D=01date%5BY%5D=2009date%5Bd%5D=06act=Go/ .* Could it be the rise of online progressive media telling the truth about Israel, or that the public rejects the same pundits who sold us Iraq? Also in ForeignPolicy http://www.alternet.org/audits/ *Hamas Is Not Iran's Puppethttp://www.alternet.org/audits/116853/hamas_is_not_iran%27s_puppet/ * William O. Beeman *Tragedy in Gaza -- Desperately Seeking Leadership from Obamahttp://www.alternet.org/audits/117216/tragedy_in_gaza_--_desperately_seeking_leadership_from_obama/ * Sunera Thobani *The Long and Bloody Hypocrisy of U.S.-Israeli Acts of Terrorism http://www.alternet.org/audits/116726/the_long_and_bloody_hypocrisy_of_u.s.-israeli_acts_of_terrorism_/ * Robert Parry *America's Hidden Role in Hamas's Rise to Powerhttp://www.alternet.org/audits/116855/america%27s_hidden_role_in_hamas%27s_rise_to_power/ * Stephen Zunes *The Paradox of Israel: Regional Super Power and the Largest Jewish Ghetto Ever Createdhttp://www.alternet.org/audits/116723/the_paradox_of_israel%3A_regional_super_power_and_the_largest_jewish_ghetto_ever_created/ * Ira Chernus More stories by Max Blumenthal http://www.alternet.org/authors/6621 [image: RSS icon]http://www.alternet.org/module/feed/rss/coverage/audits/ ForeignPolicy RSS Feedhttp://www.alternet.org/module/feed/rss/coverage/audits/ [image: RSS icon] http://www.alternet.org/module/feed/rss/ Main AlterNet RSS Feed http://www.alternet.org/module/feed/rss/ Get AlterNet in your mailbox! [image: Click here to find out more!]http://ad.doubleclick.net/click;h=v8/37ad/0/0/%2a/r;44306;0-0;0;30995252;4307-300/250;0/0/0;;%7Eokv=;sz=300x250;%7Esscs=%3f Almost as soon as the first Israeli missile struck the Gaza Strip, a veteran cheering squad suited up to support the home team. Israel is so scrupulous about civilian life, Charles Krauthammer claimedhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/01/AR2009010101780.html in the *Washington Post*. Echoing Krauthammer, Alan Dershowitz called the Israeli attack on Gaza, Perfectly 'Proportionate.'http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123085925621747981.html And in the *New York Times*, Israeli historian Benny Morris describedhttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/30/opinion/30morris.html?n=Top/Opinion/Editorials%20and%20Op-Ed/Op-Ed/Contributors his country's airstrikes as highly efficient. While the cheerleaders testified to the superior moral fiber of their team, the Palestinian civilian death toll mounted. Israeli missiles torehttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/world/middleeast/28mideast.html at least fifteen Palestinian police cadets to shreds at a graduation ceremony, blew twelve worshipers to pieceshttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/04/mosque-blast-gaza (including six children) while they left evening prayers at a mosque, flattened http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3649703,00.html the elite American International School,
Re: Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
there is no excuse or justification for committing war crimes period !
On Jan 6, 10:54 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
Both sides are bombing, rocketing civilians. The difference being that
one side has it as a stated policy.
On Jan 6, 9:18 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote:
i will agree both sides are idiots but it is the israelites who are
committing war crimes by bombing civilians .
On Jan 6, 9:47 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
No Mike, It is because both sides are idiots. It is the action taken
along with the intent that counts. Hamas sent rockets into Israel by
their own admission PURPOSELY targeting civilian populations. Israel
is at least targeting places known or which intel says has offensive
capability. The FACT is that Hamas DOES put rocket launchers in school
yards, churches, etc, and counts on the wests softness to decry the
use of force so near the kids.
The parents still send those kids to those places. who is really
at fault ??
Think about if you had a Seven year old granddaughter would you
send her to a studio you knew was shooting kiddie porn movies ??
If you did, would you share any of the blame for what would entail ??
On Jan 6, 8:33 am, Florida Cracker littlemike...@gmail.com wrote:
no travis it is because the Jews are commiting war crimes !
On Jan 6, 9:21 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
That's cause those bastard chickenshit mooseturds use kids as shields.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Florida Cracker
littlemike...@gmail.comwrote:
Civilian Casualties Rise including 111 children as Israel Presses in
on Gaza City
http://www.truthout.org/010509B
Dion Nissenbaum, McClatchy Newspapers: Israeli forces began to
close
in on Gaza City Monday, ordering families in outlying towns and
neighborhoods to flee, as world leaders launched a renewed push to
bring the 10-day-old conflict to a swift end. Medical officials in
the
Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip said Monday that 523 Palestinians have
been killed by Israeli attacks, including 111 children. That marks a
dramatic spike from the early days of Israeli air strikes that
primarily targeted Hamas-dominated police stations, government
buildings, mosques the Israeli military said were being used to
store
weapons, and the homes of Hamas leaders.
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Did the Reagan Revolution actually win? Local and State Governments
Did the Reagan Revolution actually win? Local and State Governments are Selling Off Public Property and Services http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/analysis/568 It became conventional political wisdom late in this most recent election that the failure of Republican candidates to connect with voters on fiscal issues was inextricably linked to the failure of Reaganomics. The imbalance of funds shunted to the wealthiest Americans had finally reached a critical point at which the whole theory became indefensible in the face of economic collapse. Republicans wailed about the new socialism that would come with the election of Obama, but voters seemed to welcome the change. The old way of doing business was not working, a fact that had become so obvious as to be undeniable. And now Reaganomics is supposedly dead. Or so the story goes. However, looking at the local level, it seems as if the nearly three decades that Reaganomics has been allowed to survive, if not thrive, have been enough to allow the trickle-down theory to come to fruition. Unfortunately, it is debt -- and not wealth --that has been trickling. Reagan's economic target was to drown government in a cocktail of lowered government spending, deregulation and reduced tax rates. However, in order to shrink government to bathtub size, the role of private business had to expand to fill basic needs, which was totally fine with Republicans. But another consequence of Reaganomics, one that doesn't jive so much with traditional Republican values, is the reduction of states' powers. Local governments are beginning to see the real meaning of trickle-down economics: dwindling federal funds make it harder for states and cities to meet annual budget requirements. While the U.S. government can live on credit, many local budgets are required by law to be balanced. So the largest tax cuts to date were bound to trickle down to local governing structures, and now many governors and mayors are responding in an uncharacteristically Reaganistic fashion. Take Obama's home territory, for example. Chicago, under the firm grip of Democratic Mayor Richard M. Daley, is deeply committed to privatization. Not because it's a popular idea, mind you, but because the city is desperate for funds. Still, they don't call it the Chicago school of economics for nothing. After spending hundreds of millions on the reconstruction of the Chicago Skyway, a bridge linking the Dan Ryan Expressway to Indiana, the city sold a 99-year operating lease for a one-time cash infusion of $1.83 billion in 2005. Though this was the first privatization of an existing toll road in the country, there are indications it won't be the last. To be sure, it was not the last major privatization in the City that Works. Chicago's Midway Airport is the last of five remaining in the FAA's airline privatization program. In 2008, a 99-year lease of the airport was finalized to the tune of $2.5 billion. It's a pretty sweet deal for the consortium who bought the rights. Not only is Midway a pretty tight operation with room for expansion, but Daley promised the new owners free police and fire service. And, of course, by free, he means taxpayer-funded, to the tune of $225 million just for starters. In December, another deal was finalized by Daley and the Chicago City Council to lease city parking meters for the next 75 years. As a result, downtown parking meter rates are expected to go as high as $6.50 an hour by 2013, making Chicago one of the most expensive places to park in in the country. The 2008 lease agreements have been touted as ways to fill a $469 million hole in the city's 2009 budget. They finally solved that problem, but just last week, Daley's office announced an unwelcome fiscal surprise: 2008 revenues fell short of projections by $31 million. This leaves Chicagoans bracing for next year. What makes these politicians think that by selling off government assets, they'll magically have more revenue next year? With the foreclosure crisis and rampant unemployment, there's little doubt that income and property taxes will be down even further next year. Just to keep things in perspective, this rampant privatization is happening in one of the most solidly Democratic cities in the nation. Chicago and other local governments are using Reaganomics to solve problems that were caused by the failure of that same fiscal policy. And Illinois seems to be just ahead of the curve; some reports say as many as 44 states are considering similar sell-offs to fill budget holes. After all, this is the country containing the only fully- privatized city on the planet. Privatization hits citizens many times over. First, the whole thing operates much like a payday loan: In order for the government entity to get their cash right now, they take a lesser amount than what the asset will bring in the long term. Second, the private company is able to jack up prices as much as they like, making once-public
Re: Ok, Mark, here's your slang thread
One more question; what does the study of insects have to do with anything? On Jan 6, 10:44 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: That would be Diplomas, and English is my second language. Trust there are many days when I would if I had them with me. Now to address the Proper point. No contraction is considered Proper, nor is any variant; agreed. I am not defending this, I am, however, decrying the entymology of the word. The very point you seem to have skillfully side-stepped. To give credence in any manner to an overwhelmingly negative part of society is, in fact to give them and what they do and stand for, credence and to tacitly support their activities. On Jan 6, 9:20 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: That's a lame defense, sorry. Neither are considered proper English, and both are short-cuts, much like the term peep is short for people. By the way, not that I'm aware of is an example of ending your sentence in a preposition. Might as well piss on your diploma. Go ahead, I ain't watching. :-) On Jan 6, 10:16 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Ain't... no, not that I'm aware of. Y'all yes; and in defense of my position, Ain't is a contraction and Y'all is a variant. Neither is slang. On Jan 6, 8:52 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: All that and you didn't answer my question. Have you ever said ain't? What about ya'll? On Jan 6, 9:11 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Like I said language must PROGRESS, use of slang terms are fine.. yep here it comes again. Let's NOT be Politically Correct. When you choose to freely adopt the terms invented by the stupid, the illiterate, and the lazy assholes of the world that sell the innercity drugs, that do not attend school that are too lazy to get a job, that do most of the murdering, mayhem, and other shit that makes you cringe on a daily basis, that cause entire areas of cities to be so violent the cops won't respond and taxis won't go at night, that leave the needles in the parks... When you adopt the terms put forth by the scum of the earth you IN ESSENCE DO SAY 'YOUR LIFESTYLE AND THAT WHICH YOU DO BOTH TO YOUR SELF AND OTHERS IN SOCIETY AS A WHOLE IS FINE, WE WILL ADOPT YOUR LIFE STYLE TO OUR OWN., YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHANGE, WE LIKE YOU AND WHAT YOU STAND FOR. To them you are saying this loudly, to you it is a small concession and of little importance. There ARE some cases where appearances count.. this is one. Life is a series that starts with baby steps. It is a baby step in the wrong direction. So, if you want to use that cool (see definition 3, below) nigger slang and give credence to societies scum, do so, just remember that by doing so you support them and the style in which they live and force you, or others to live. Main Entry: nig·ger Pronunciation: \ˈni-gər\ Function: noun Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger Date: 1786 1usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person 2usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark- skinned race 3: a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons it's time for somebody to lead all of America's niggers…all the people who feel left out of the political process — Ron Dellums usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry. and no, not all people of color are niggers and yes, you can be white and be one as well. On Jan 5, 10:30 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Back atcha! oops On Jan 5, 11:18 pm, NavyBrat dotis2...@comcast.net wrote: hehehe. You go girl! ;-) On Jan 5, 8:45 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: That is a bit hardcore. I've always been one to correct others on the proper use of the language. However, I do allow for colloquialisms and yes, even slang, but only in the proper environment. I would never use slang while at work or giving a presentation. There is a time and a place for everything. Language is a living, changing thing that must evolve as society evolves. New words are added to official dictionaries every year to reflect a changing society. This even includes
