Re: 10 Reasons not to support the victory mosque

[WarpTen]

It is not about "supporting" the mosque.  It IS about adhering to the
tenets of our country, that is the right of all religious
organizations to have freedom to practice their religion.  We are
about freedom.  We are about the rights for all you butt heads to come
in here and say whatever you want about anyone without getting your
balls cut off, getting hung or burning at the stake.

We traipse off to every piss ant country around the globe in defense
of the poor oppressed religious people while sacrificing the lives of
our own countrymen and women in uniform and then we want to oppress
religious people here.   I don't get it.  Why shouldn't we practice
what we preach.

I understand that we are outraged and antagonized at the idea of the
"location" but the people in question had nothing to do with 9/11; if
there were any substantiated connection these people would be
imprisoned.  They are citizens just like us, like blacks, jews,
christians, hindus and the numerous other denomination of people that
make up this country.  This isn't going to be easy by any stretch of
the imagination but we have to look at the reality of it, that is we
live in a melting pot.  We can't pick on the blacks anymore so is it
the Muslim's turn?

Personally I despise religiosity and think that all religions are more
trouble than they are worth, are responsible for more death and horror
throughout history and are fundamentally not only a nuisance but
inhibit the opportunity for all of us to have a peaceful and happy
life.

There is no evidence of a god and in fact there is more evidence that
there isn't.  But that is besides the point, if people want to believe
in tooth fairies and miracles that is their right in this country.

Fact is that many adversarial countries own land here, own real estate
here, own restaurants here and more.  There are several Italian and
Mexican restaurants in my city that are owned and operated, including
the wait staff, by Iranians. Are we supposed to punish these people
because their native country is holding our young hikers as
prisoners?   If we boycott these places do you think Iran will free
the prisoners?

I don't see anyone complaining about it.

I think we are heading towards some serious internal warfare, civil
warfare, similar to the problems that exist in India. Attacks against
Muslim organizations are already on a roll.  Problem?  Absolutely,
because there are about 5 to 8 million Muslims living here; if they
all turn against us because we are persecuting them, many problems
will ensue.

Personally I don't give a damn, I'm just going to sit in the bleachers
and watch the show.



On Sep 3, 4:20 pm, Travis  wrote:
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Doctor Bulldog & Ronin 
> Date: Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 4:15 PM
> Subject: [New post] 10 Reasons not to support the victory mosque
> To: baconl...@gmail.com
>
>      10 Reasons not to
> support the victory
> mosque
> *Ronin * | 3 September,
> 2010 at 3:15 pm | Categories:
> Analysis,
> Fighting Back ,
> anti
> dhimmitude ,
> human
> interest , know
> your enemy  |
> URL:http://wp.me/p1NPg-6t5
>
> *These are in no particular order. Feel free to add your own.*
>
> 10 Reasons not to support the victory mosque
>
> By Ronin, 3 Sep, 2010
> It is not needed. There is not a mass of muslims over flowing area mosques
> with no place to worship. There are however, loyal Catholic’s that continue
> to meet weekly and worship on the site of their church; it was destroyed
> during the attack and never rebuilt. They could use some support.
> Personally, I think New Yorkers should help it rebuild, bigger, larger and
> taller than before.
>
> It is supported by career politicians. Anytime politicians rush anything
> through it should automatically get intensive scrutiny. The same bunch that
> rushed the approval process for the victory mosque has stalled approval of a
> Catholic church that was destroyed during the attack.
>
> The people have already spoken and the mosque is not wanted that close to
> the attack site. Vote out all the career politicians that ignore your
> wishes, they have picked their side and it is not yours.
>
> No matter how tolerant the liberal’s think a mosque would look. Their are
> muslims that will see it as a victory monument to a successful attack.
> Anyone that does not realize that it will inspire attacks is delusional.
>
> Islam should always face resistance. It is not a religion in the true sense
> but a cult. A cult that continues to oppress women, children, 

Re: Rachel Maddow remarks on President Obama's kind words for Bush and avoidance of criticism of the failed architects of the Iraq War.

[WarpTen]

I guess no on else has anything to add to this thread.  I'm surprised
because this is such a busy place with a multitude of opinions.

On Sep 3, 7:59 am, WarpTen  wrote:
> Morning!
>
> The opening line definitely carries with it assumption and thinly
> veiled bias, the focus being on 'criticism/failed' , those conclusions
> are highly subjective.
>
> What I'm seeing here is that regardless ofMaddow'srant I don't think
> it would serve Obama well to spend a large percentage of his speech
> time denigrating the Bush administration's debacles in Iraq.  That
> would define he and his administration in a negative way and leave the
> public standing in awe going "Wuh?".
>
> What else I'm seeing isMaddowhijacking the topic and turning it into
> a platform for her own agenda which happens to be denigrating the Bush
> administration's debacles in Iraq.  It seems to push her back in time
> with the redundancy.  Maybe someone should call her and let her know
> it's 2010 getting close to 2011.
>
> News media is news media and all have bias based upon administrative
> personal preferences.   Political news organizations that stand firm
> on opposing political parties don't spend much time praising the
> opposition.  The idea is to sway the viewers toward their political
> persuasions as the ultimate goal is to get the viewers, the voting
> public, to influence elections.
>
> If the media can convince people that the Democrats are crap the
> people will vote Republican and if the media can convince people that
> the Republicans are going to make them eat crap the people will vote
> Democratic.
>
> On Sep 3, 6:59 am, Keith In Tampa  wrote:
>
> > Good Morning Warp Ten,
>
> > You bring up some valid points, and in my humble opinion, are right on the
> > mark.
>
> > Having said that, note that the initial message in this thread is captioned:
>
> > "RachelMaddowremarks on President Obama's kind words for Bush and
> > avoidance of criticism of the failed architects of the Iraq War."
>
> > The caption, in and of itself is political spin.  President Obama offered no
> > "kind words" toward former President Bush, as a matter of fact, President
> > Obama's speech several nights ago was at least condescending toward
> > President Bush, and at most a slap in the face, considering that it was the
> > Bush Administration's surge that seems to be the turning point in the war,
> > and considering that President Obama voted against funding such a surge, and
> > campaigned mightily against the Bush Administration's "surge policy".
>
> > This is not the best example of media bias,  because the media in this case
> > is NBC, which I don't believe can be considered as a reputable news
> > organization any longer.   There is clearly a left of center media bias in
> > most all news reporting, save FOX News these days.
>
> > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:25 AM, WarpTen  wrote:
>
> > > There must be, in this day of technological achievement read your
> > > drivers license from the moon age, some shred of evidence to back up
> > > what you are all saying.  Providing some form of validity to a claim
> > > lays waste the slag from the rebuttals, ie; the unsupported
> > > rebuttals.
>
> > > Or is this equally all posters personal bias born from tons of other
> > > hearsay?
>
> > > It doesn't matter because the real dilemma is having to decipher the
> > > validity of opposing
> > > evidences.  Whose truth is the truth?
> > > This is due to subjective interpretation of the incidents; some say
> > > sin and others say so what.
>
> > > How about
>
> > > All politicians are to some degree inept and in less technical terms,
> > > all BS, and maybe all the people in this room could runs things
> > > better.
>
> > > In all the years we have been listening to political rhetoric not much
> > > has changed, that is except the hands that stand at the helm and the
> > > excuses as to why the citizens, who pay these people lot's of money to
> > > take charge, are continually in a quagmire.  At every election they
> > > get up on the soap box and preach about how they are going to fix the
> > > problems the other guy made.
>
> > > It's too late to find fault that results in a rectified situation; at
> > > this point fault only becomes the fodder for heated debate without
> > > resolution, much of which we have here.  Politics is a shouting match
> > 

Re: Rachel Maddow remarks on President Obama's kind words for Bush and avoidance of criticism of the failed architects of the Iraq War.

[WarpTen]

Morning!

The opening line definitely carries with it assumption and thinly
veiled bias, the focus being on 'criticism/failed' , those conclusions
are highly subjective.

What I'm seeing here is that regardless of Maddow's rant I don't think
it would serve Obama well to spend a large percentage of his speech
time denigrating the Bush administration's debacles in Iraq.  That
would define he and his administration in a negative way and leave the
public standing in awe going "Wuh?".

What else I'm seeing is Maddow hijacking the topic and turning it into
a platform for her own agenda which happens to be denigrating the Bush
administration's debacles in Iraq.  It seems to push her back in time
with the redundancy.  Maybe someone should call her and let her know
it's 2010 getting close to 2011.

News media is news media and all have bias based upon administrative
personal preferences.   Political news organizations that stand firm
on opposing political parties don't spend much time praising the
opposition.  The idea is to sway the viewers toward their political
persuasions as the ultimate goal is to get the viewers, the voting
public, to influence elections.

If the media can convince people that the Democrats are crap the
people will vote Republican and if the media can convince people that
the Republicans are going to make them eat crap the people will vote
Democratic.

On Sep 3, 6:59 am, Keith In Tampa  wrote:
> Good Morning Warp Ten,
>
> You bring up some valid points, and in my humble opinion, are right on the
> mark.
>
> Having said that, note that the initial message in this thread is captioned:
>
> "Rachel Maddow remarks on President Obama's kind words for Bush and
> avoidance of criticism of the failed architects of the Iraq War."
>
> The caption, in and of itself is political spin.  President Obama offered no
> "kind words" toward former President Bush, as a matter of fact, President
> Obama's speech several nights ago was at least condescending toward
> President Bush, and at most a slap in the face, considering that it was the
> Bush Administration's surge that seems to be the turning point in the war,
> and considering that President Obama voted against funding such a surge, and
> campaigned mightily against the Bush Administration's "surge policy".
>
> This is not the best example of media bias,  because the media in this case
> is NBC, which I don't believe can be considered as a reputable news
> organization any longer.   There is clearly a left of center media bias in
> most all news reporting, save FOX News these days.
>
> On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:25 AM, WarpTen  wrote:
>
> > There must be, in this day of technological achievement read your
> > drivers license from the moon age, some shred of evidence to back up
> > what you are all saying.  Providing some form of validity to a claim
> > lays waste the slag from the rebuttals, ie; the unsupported
> > rebuttals.
>
> > Or is this equally all posters personal bias born from tons of other
> > hearsay?
>
> > It doesn't matter because the real dilemma is having to decipher the
> > validity of opposing
> > evidences.  Whose truth is the truth?
> > This is due to subjective interpretation of the incidents; some say
> > sin and others say so what.
>
> > How about
>
> > All politicians are to some degree inept and in less technical terms,
> > all BS, and maybe all the people in this room could runs things
> > better.
>
> > In all the years we have been listening to political rhetoric not much
> > has changed, that is except the hands that stand at the helm and the
> > excuses as to why the citizens, who pay these people lot's of money to
> > take charge, are continually in a quagmire.  At every election they
> > get up on the soap box and preach about how they are going to fix the
> > problems the other guy made.
>
> > It's too late to find fault that results in a rectified situation; at
> > this point fault only becomes the fodder for heated debate without
> > resolution, much of which we have here.  Politics is a shouting match
> > and a mud slinging contest and on rare occasions some good shit
> > happens.
>
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Re: Rachel Maddow remarks on President Obama's kind words for Bush and avoidance of criticism of the failed architects of the Iraq War.

[WarpTen]

There must be, in this day of technological achievement read your
drivers license from the moon age, some shred of evidence to back up
what you are all saying.  Providing some form of validity to a claim
lays waste the slag from the rebuttals, ie; the unsupported
rebuttals.

Or is this equally all posters personal bias born from tons of other
hearsay?

It doesn't matter because the real dilemma is having to decipher the
validity of opposing
evidences.  Whose truth is the truth?
This is due to subjective interpretation of the incidents; some say
sin and others say so what.

How about

All politicians are to some degree inept and in less technical terms,
all BS, and maybe all the people in this room could runs things
better.

In all the years we have been listening to political rhetoric not much
has changed, that is except the hands that stand at the helm and the
excuses as to why the citizens, who pay these people lot's of money to
take charge, are continually in a quagmire.  At every election they
get up on the soap box and preach about how they are going to fix the
problems the other guy made.

It's too late to find fault that results in a rectified situation; at
this point fault only becomes the fodder for heated debate without
resolution, much of which we have here.  Politics is a shouting match
and a mud slinging contest and on rare occasions some good shit
happens.



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Re: Rachel Maddow remarks on President Obama's kind words for Bush and avoidance of criticism of the failed architects of the Iraq War.

[WarpTen]

DT

The only post in this thread to offer a link is the opening post.
Everyone 'so far' has offered nonsupporting claims, the conversation
is nowhere because even the rebuttals offer no substantiation.  This
has nothing to do with interpretation of the link nor my personal
agreement or disagreement with it; just a recognition.

There must be, in this day of technological achievement read your
drivers license from the moon age, some shred of evidence to back up
what you are all saying.  Providing some form of validity to a claim
lays waste the slag from the rebuttals that is the unsupported
rebuttals.

Or is this equally all posters personal bias born from tons of other
hearsay?

The real dilemma is having to decipher the validity of opposing
evidences.  Whose truth is the truth?

How about

All politicians are to some degree inept and in less technical terms,
all BS, and maybe all the people in this room could runs things
better.

In all the years we have been listening to political rhetoric not much
has changed, that is except the hands that stand at the helm and the
excuses as to why the citizens, who pay these people lot's of money to
take charge, are continually in a quagmire.  At every election they
get up on the soap box and preach about how they are going to fix the
problems the other guy made.

It's too late to find fault that results in a rectified situation; at
this point fault only becomes the fodder for heated debate without
resolution, much of which we have here.  Politics is a shouting match
and a mud slinging contest and on rare occasions some good shit
happens.







On Sep 2, 7:38 pm, dick thompson  wrote:
> What is false.  You throw unsupported claims out there and assume we
> will accept them but if we should refute them then you call it twisted
> pretzel logic.   Must be nice to be you and make those claims and think
> they will fly.
>
> On 09/02/2010 08:26 PM, Tommy News wrote:
>
> > *Twisted pretzel logic, and quite false.*
>
> > On 9/1/10, *dick thompson*  > > wrote:
>
> >     You will have to remind me what countless ethics investigations
> >     she failed.   From what I recall the only thing she failed was one
> >     funding question.   The rest of the ethics investigations were
> >     dropped as having no basis.   You really must tell us what else
> >     she failed.   She cleaned up the government of Alaska and settled
> >     issues with Canada and the oil companies that had been hanging
> >     fire for years.  She lowered the budget of the state.   What exams
> >     did she fail.   That has never been brought up before and if she
> >     had failed I am sure the Dems would have been happy to inform us
> >     during the campaign.  The other thing is that she has never
> >     attempted to hide her grades or her friends or where she lived
> >     when she attended the colleges that she paid her own way to
> >     attend.   She always knew what the Bush Doctrine was.   The
> >     problem was that there were several of them as those in the Bush
> >     administration have told us countless times.  Her question was
> >     which doctrine did Charlie Gibson want to discuss.  Of course he
> >     was not aware as she was that there were several doctrines and
> >     thought therefore that she was dodging the question and since he
> >     had editing privileges the die was cast in favor of the stupid
> >     one, the questioner.
>
> >     On 09/01/2010 05:35 PM, Tommy News wrote:
> >>     *Sarah Palin is working hard to divide this country further
> >>     and to deride the Presidentnow about religion...who believes
> >>     in what, when. *
> >>     *She failed her exams and attended six colleges before earning a
> >>     Bachelor's in Journalism, failed as a beauty queen, she failed as
> >>     a Mother, she failed as Governor of Alaska and resigned, she
> >>     failed as McCain's running mate, and she failed countless ethics
> >>     investigations.*
> >>     **
> >>     *Sarah Palin, the self proclaimed "Pitbull Momma Grizzley in
> >>     Lipstick" is a falure. If she were President, now that she has
> >>     learned what the "Bush Doctrine" is, she would start World War
> >>     Three. *
>
> >>     *Sarah Palin is an ignorant bitch. Her agenda is selfish and all
> >>     about herself and her small, deluded world.*
>
> >>     On 9/1/10, *Keith In Tampa*  >>     > wrote:
>
> >>         And why is Sarah Palin an ignorant bitch Tom?  What is it
> >>         that you disagree with, that Sarah Palin stands for?
> >>         Again, the floor is all yours.
>
> >>         On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Tommy News
> >>         mailto:tommysn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >>             *I can see that this is not the group for me. It reminds
> >>             me of another  far LEFT and right wing extremist group,
> >>             called The Political Spinroom, filled with personal
> >>             insu

Wasteful sqabbling = Wasteful spending

[WarpTen]

It isn't any "ONE" political party that is responsible for the
perpetual conundrum the American People find themselves in.   The
government is comprised of chronically inept fools who waste our time
and our tax dollars bickering while we struggle to make ends meet,
lose thousands of our hard earned monies, take loses in our
investments and still have yet to reach any government solution.
The government is too large and dysfunctional, too busy squabbling to
manage the country.  Its no big secret that every year millions of
taxpayer dollars are "wasted" on ridiculous expenditures in the face
of poverty and a crumbling infrastructure, not to mention the doling
out of billions to private enterprise failures and the resultant multi-
million dollar bonuses given out to executives of such failed
enterprises.
We've lost our retirement incomes, our houses, cars and benefits, when
is it going to be "Enough is Enough"?

I think these people have too much of our money to play with and too
much time on their hands.

WASHINGTON – More than "$98 billion" in taxpayer dollars spent by
government agencies was wasted, much of it on questionable claims for
tax credits and Medicare benefits, representing an increase of $26
billion from the previous year.

In all, about 5 percent of spending in federal programs in fiscal year
2009 was improper, according to new details of a government financial
report that were released Tuesday. Saying the overall error rate was
similar in 2008, officials attributed the $26 billion jump to some
changes in how to define improper spending as well as an increase in
overall spending due to the recession.

President Barack Obama is expected to sign an executive order within
the next week aimed at cracking down on government waste and fraud,
particularly in Medicare and other benefit programs. In the 2009
report, the government officially reported questionable Medicare
payments of roughly $36 billion, but that amount will be revised
upward to about $48 billion next year as the Health and Human Services
Department fully converts to a new methodology that imposes stricter
documentation requirements.

"We need to protect taxpayer dollars," Peter Orszag, director of the
Office of Management and Budget, told reporters. "Every dollar that
goes to the wrong recipient or in the wrong amount is a dollar not
available to help an unemployed worker, or to invest in education or
key priorities of the administration."

Under the executive order, every federal agency would have to maintain
a Web site that tracks improper payments, error rates and outstanding
payments. If an agency doesn't meet targets for reducing error rates
for two years in a row, the agency director and responsible official
will have to directly report to OMB to explain the delinquency and new
actions they will take.

The Obama administration will also seek to impose penalties on
government contractors that receive improper payments so they have
incentives to return the money, Orszag said.

Among the reported waste:

_Agriculture: $4.3 billion in improper payments, or 5.9 percent of
total department spending. Much of it was in the food stamp, federal
crop insurance and school meals programs.

_Defense: $849 million, or 0.5 percent.

_Education: $599 million, or 2.1 percent.

_Health and Human Services: $55.1 billion, or 9.4 percent. That
included improper payment rates of 7.8 percent and 15.4 percent in the
Medicare fee for service and Advantage programs, respectively.

_Homeland Security: $644.5 million, or 3.7 percent. Much of it was in
the Homeland Security grant program as well as Disaster Relief Fund
Vendor Payments.

_Housing and Urban Development: $1 billion, or 3.5 percent. All of it
was attributed to public housing and rental assistance.

_Labor: $12.3 billion, or 9.9 percent. Almost all of the improper
payments were in the unemployment insurance program.

_Treasury: $12.3 billion, or 25.5 percent. All of it was attributed to
improper payments in the earned income tax credit.

_Transportation: $1.5 billion, or 3 percent. Much of it was in the
Federal Highway Administration planning and construction program.

_Veterans Affairs: $1.2 billion, or 2.7 percent. That included
improper payments in the pension and other compensation programs.

_Social Security Administration: $8.0 billion, or 1.2 percent.

Sen. Tom Carper, D-Del., who chairs a Senate panel on federal
financial management, said he worried that the latest numbers "may
still be just the tip of the iceberg" since they don't include
estimates for several programs such as the Medicare prescription drug
plan.

"It goes without saying that these results would be completely
unacceptable in the private sector, as they should be in government,
especially at a time of record deficits," Carper said.

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Re: Will Obama Administration Signal Return to Rule of Law?

[WarpTen]

Not sure it's all that simple. Do you have the actual bill reference
available for examination?
I believe sometime in June a bi partisan agreement was reached in
Congress which intends to overhaul the governments wiretapping powers.
The agreement sets forth a check on the executive branch which
requires it to fall under the jurisdiction of the law instead of what
has been a free reign by the President, concerning wiretaps.
Personally I feel there should still be the requirement of Court Order
to stem government abuse. This is where the fine line of violation
takes place but overall I don't think they are going to waste time
with a wiretap on me, you or Joe the Plumber type people.  The idea is
to get the terrorists before they get us.

On Nov 8, 2:30 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I find the optimism by so many so-called experts and academics that an
> Obama administration will result in a return to democratic norms as a
> delusional exercise in wishful thinking. Obama has made it crystal
> clear he has no intention whatsoever in doing any such thing, infact
> his signing off on the bill giving the government virtually unlimited
> power to wire tap US citizens, demonstrates his intention to intensify
> the attack on international law and civil liberties.
>
> His stated intentions in fighting the “war on terror” remove any
> question of his intensions. The bogus "war on terror" is the "big Lie"
> used to justify all the crimes of the Bush administration, from pre-
> emptive war, to torture, to drum head military tribunals and the
> Patriot act. Obama is also repeating the same lies of the Bush
> administration in regards to Iran, Israel and Georgia, and he supports
> US attacks breaching Pakistan sovereignty.
>
> On Nov 8, 7:40 am, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > I love this part:
> > What about presidential pardons for those involved in detainee
> > issues?
>
> >     It would be a stupid thing to do because it would make it more
> > likely that there would be investigations. The U.S. is not a country
> > that does impunity or immunity. If anything, it is a country that
> > believes in the dignity of every human individual under the law.
>
> > When did we forget this?
>
> > On Nov 7, 4:37 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Friday 07 November 2008
>
> > > »
>
> > > by: Brian Baxter, Law.com
>
> > > photo
> > > (Artwork:www.thehindubusinessline.com)
>
> > >     Foremost among the pressing issues he faces: rebuilding America's
> > > reputation in the international arena, says Philippe Sands, author of
> > > "Torture Team: Rumsfeld's Memo and the Betrayal of American Values."
> > > The book, excerpts of which appeared in a May 2008 Vanity Fair feature
> > > story, examines how U.S. lawyers abandoned the Geneva Conventions and
> > > other international protocols after the 9/11 attacks. (The Am Law
> > > Daily's Brian Zabcik conducted a two-part Q&A with Sands about the
> > > book in May. You can find those interviews here and here.)
>
> > >     The Am Law Daily caught up with Sands, a noted British professor
> > > and practitioner of international law who has been called to testify
> > > before Congress three times, to get his take on how an Obama
> > > administration might distance itself from the policies of its
> > > predecessor.
>
> > >     In your opinion, how far has the U.S. strayed from international
> > > norms during the past eight years?
>
> > >     The worst excesses occurred in the first term, but many were
> > > allowed to linger into the second. I think there was a conscious
> > > effort to do some minimal cleanup and we saw a few instances of what I
> > > call "re-engagement." But taken as a whole, the last eight years have
> > > been catastrophic for perceptions of the U.S. around the world and its
> > > capacity to fulfill its historic engagement with the rule of law.
> > > That's the crucial point.
>
> > >     Is the U.S. still that "beacon of law" to the international
> > > community?
>
> > >     We all hold the U.S. to a particular standard because it has been
> > > the global leader on the rule of law. And that has significantly
> > > eroded. But I think that people distinguish between the U.S. and the
> > > administration and so I'm hopeful that however bad it has been, this
> > > should not necessarily carry over to the next administration.
>
> > >     I take it the new administration has you hopeful?
>
> > >     With the election of a president who gives every appearance of
> > > having a strong connection to the rule of law, I think a lot of people
> > > are optimistic that this can be cleaned up. It hasn't been so bad that
> > > this is irreparable. The U.S. has a unique place in leading global
> > > efforts on the rule of law, which means while there has to be some
> > > looking to the past, it's equally important to assist the new
> > > administration in repairing the damage and moving on.
>
> > >     Wha

Re: for 8 years the libs called the president a chimp

[WarpTen]

I agree entirely!  The insults are, aside from waste, a detriment to
the dynamic of this forum.

Perhaps, now that the election chaos has subsided, we can conduct
ourselves in a more civil manner.


On Nov 9, 8:26 pm, wncs woke up in a blue state
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would agree that in the past week, there are far too many insults on
> this board, whether a point is being made in the process or not. I was
> hoping that things might settle down. Perhaps we could ALL use fewer
> insults in our discourse. It is unfair to insult others and not expect
> them to respond, so perhaps if we employ the Golden Rule, we could
> improve the level of discourse here. I understand emotions are high
> around the election, but this should not be cause for the board's
> integrity to be lost.
>
> On Nov 9, 9:18 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Insults are allowed, posts that only insult are not.
>
> > On Nov 9, 5:50 pm, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Gaar,
> > > I sent a message to you stating that I would be out of town until
> > > Sunday night. I am just getting home and taking a quick peek at the
> > > board while unloading the vehicle. How in the world would you expect
> > > me to address something when I'm not here? And if you have a problem
> > > with my abilities or duties as a moderator, you know the place to
> > > address it.
> > > I will say there are far too many insults around here lately, and not
> > > just coming from one person.
>
> > > On Nov 9, 7:23 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Yet more Ad Hominems, with no point being made. At some point, one
> > > > would think wncs would step up and do what a Moderator is supposed to
> > > > do, but I won't hold my breath.
>
> > > > On Nov 9, 4:17 pm, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > He has a truly severe problem with reading comprehension.
>
> > > > > On 11/9/08, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Thank You Mr. Kahle!
> > > > > > It seems that gaar hasn't the capacity to understand the essence of
> > > > > > ad hominem and so needlessly continues to put out more "Gaarbage" in
> > > > > > an attempt to appear intelligible, unfortunately the delivery is far
> > > > > > from perspicuous. The ambiguity is so prevalent within gaar's 
> > > > > > comments
> > > > > > that one cannot ascertain the integrity of the authorship. It really
> > > > > > is a challenge to attempt discourse with those who are so perverse 
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > nature.
>
> > > > > > Warpy!
>
> > > > > > On Nov 9, 12:23 pm, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > no, not on ad hominem attack included he was indeed talking about 
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > positions and ideology.
>
> > > > > > > On 11/9/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Wow, that was some retorte... Not.
>
> > > > > > > > Did you make any point in that diatribe?
>
> > > > > > > > Nope, nothing but Ad Hominem attacks...
>
> > > > > > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 9, 6:40 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hollywood;
> > > > > > > > > This is the problem with gaar and others in here, wasting 
> > > > > > > > > time with
> > > > > > > > > bullshit nonsense equivalent to High School antics. The Only 
> > > > > > > > > value in
> > > > > > > > > it is the Humorous aspect of it. Its such a joke to see how 
> > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > squirm around in the muck trying to come up with something 
> > > > > > > > > plausible
> > > > > > > > > through abstract thought pattern and gross aberration of 
> > > > > > > > > reality. It
> > > > > > > > > reminds me so much of what was occurring during the election 
> > > > > > > > > campaign
> > > > > > > > > when McCain and Palin both, void of any viabilit

Re: for 8 years the libs called the president a chimp

[WarpTen]

Empirical evidence. Hmmm!

On Nov 9, 7:19 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So you say...
>
> I believe it is a tiny mind that can draw such conclussion about
> People on a discussion Board.
>
> Please, carry on.
>
> You have proven your inability to make a cogent argument, and you are
> supplying endless empirical evidence to support my assertion of such.
>
> On Nov 9, 5:16 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It doesn't take much more than to read your posts to know nearly
> > everything about you gaar.
>
> > On Nov 9, 4:26 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > And again you talk like you know me...
>
> > > You haven't a Clue.
>
> > > That much is obvious.
>
> > > On Nov 9, 2:17 pm, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > My opinion based on where I have been and what I have done is worth way 
> > > > more
> > > > than your Wiki and CIA fact sources.
>
> > > > Get out, Travel, see some of the world. Do not stay in hotels, learn a
> > > > little of each language you come accross and LEARN SOMETHING.
>
> > > > your standard one sided sources have truly fucked you up.
>
> > > > On 11/9/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Again, so you say...
>
> > > > > You say a lot of shit, and rarely offer anything but your OPINION as
> > > > > any type of proof.
>
> > > > > And when offered empirical evidence to refute your Loony assertions
> > > > > you dismiss them outright and go into your Ad Hominem attacks.
>
> > > > > You have obviously never been wrong, in your tiny little Loony Liberal
> > > > > mind.
>
> > > > > Just like little Liar mikey and holly.
>
> > > > > 3 peas in a pod.
>
> > > > > On Nov 9, 10:19 am, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > and so it is.
>
> > > > > > On 11/9/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > So you say...
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 8, 9:19 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > > > He was obviously referring to the 2000 and 2004 elections, only 
> > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > idiot would not have realized that.
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 10:55 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > This coming from a guy that thinks Bush was running for a 3rd
> > > > > Term...
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 6:32 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > You are clearly the Racist Mark!
>
> > > > > > > > > > You are truly MarkSchism.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 10:04 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > will they do the same to the new chimp?- Hide quoted text 
> > > > > > > > > > > -
>
> > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Mark M. Kahle
> > > > > > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference 
> > > > > > Me-
> > > > > Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > --
> > > > Mark M. Kahle
> > > > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- 
> > > > Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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Re: for 8 years the libs called the president a chimp

[WarpTen]

This is highly apparent and unfortunately adversely affecting the
political paradigm of this forum. I'm glad that someone else other
than myself has recognized it.

On Nov 9, 6:17 pm, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> He has a truly severe problem with reading comprehension.
>
> On 11/9/08, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Thank You Mr. Kahle!
> >   It seems that gaar hasn't the capacity to understand the essence of
> > ad hominem and so needlessly continues to put out more "Gaarbage" in
> > an attempt to appear intelligible, unfortunately the delivery is far
> > from perspicuous. The ambiguity is so prevalent within gaar's comments
> > that one cannot ascertain the integrity of the authorship. It really
> > is a challenge to attempt discourse with those who are so perverse in
> > nature.
>
> > Warpy!
>
> > On Nov 9, 12:23 pm, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > no, not on ad hominem attack included he was indeed talking about your
> > > positions and ideology.
>
> > > On 11/9/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Wow, that was some retorte...  Not.
>
> > > > Did you make any point in that diatribe?
>
> > > > Nope, nothing but Ad Hominem attacks...
>
> > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > On Nov 9, 6:40 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Hollywood;
> > > > > This is the problem with gaar and others in here, wasting time with
> > > > > bullshit nonsense equivalent to High School antics. The Only value in
> > > > > it is the Humorous aspect of it.  Its such a joke to see how they
> > > > > squirm around in the muck trying to come up with something plausible
> > > > > through abstract thought pattern and gross aberration of reality. It
> > > > > reminds me so much of what was occurring during the election campaign
> > > > > when McCain and Palin both, void of any viability, tossed out a bunch
> > > > > of bullshit hoping it would stick to the minds of the less than
> > > > > average intelligence people, obviously with some degree of success.
> > > > > The distortion of issues presented did not pass the test of logic
> > > > > validation and therefore failed to sway the votes.  Now that it is
> > too
> > > > > late to smear and bash, they will spend their time picking and
> > digging
> > > > > for something, anything, no matter how far fetched. It is really
> > > > > pathetic and sad when you think about.  At least McCain was gracious
> > > > > enough to concede and acknowledge his failure.  I hope gaar and the
> > > > > others can get over it and stop wasting time on fabricated falsehoods
> > > > > and nauseating innuendo. Somehow, though, I get the feeling that
> > their
> > > > > cerebral gray matter has solidified to the point of losing
> > > > > tractability, possibly attributed to a psychosomatic disorder or
> > other
> > > > > anomaly associated with denial syndrome. All we can do is hope for
> > the
> > > > > best
>
> > > > > On Nov 8, 11:19 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > He was obviously referring to the 2000 and 2004 elections, only an
> > > > > > idiot would not have realized that.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 8, 10:55 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > This coming from a guy that thinks Bush was running for a 3rd
> > Term...
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 8, 6:32 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > You are clearly the Racist Mark!
>
> > > > > > > > You are truly MarkSchism.
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 10:04 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > will they do the same to the new chimp?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > --
> > > Mark M. Kahle
> > > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me
>
> --
> Mark M. Kahle
> Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me
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Re: for 8 years the libs called the president a chimp

[WarpTen]

It doesn't take much more than to read your posts to know nearly
everything about you gaar.

On Nov 9, 4:26 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And again you talk like you know me...
>
> You haven't a Clue.
>
> That much is obvious.
>
> On Nov 9, 2:17 pm, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > My opinion based on where I have been and what I have done is worth way more
> > than your Wiki and CIA fact sources.
>
> > Get out, Travel, see some of the world. Do not stay in hotels, learn a
> > little of each language you come accross and LEARN SOMETHING.
>
> > your standard one sided sources have truly fucked you up.
>
> > On 11/9/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Again, so you say...
>
> > > You say a lot of shit, and rarely offer anything but your OPINION as
> > > any type of proof.
>
> > > And when offered empirical evidence to refute your Loony assertions
> > > you dismiss them outright and go into your Ad Hominem attacks.
>
> > > You have obviously never been wrong, in your tiny little Loony Liberal
> > > mind.
>
> > > Just like little Liar mikey and holly.
>
> > > 3 peas in a pod.
>
> > > On Nov 9, 10:19 am, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > and so it is.
>
> > > > On 11/9/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > So you say...
>
> > > > > On Nov 8, 9:19 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > He was obviously referring to the 2000 and 2004 elections, only an
> > > > > > idiot would not have realized that.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 8, 10:55 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > This coming from a guy that thinks Bush was running for a 3rd
> > > Term...
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 8, 6:32 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > You are clearly the Racist Mark!
>
> > > > > > > > You are truly MarkSchism.
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 10:04 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > will they do the same to the new chimp?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > --
> > > > Mark M. Kahle
> > > > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me-
> > > Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > --
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> > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide 
> > quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
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Re: for 8 years the libs called the president a chimp

[WarpTen]

Nice cliche gaar!  You do have your opinion don't you?

On Nov 9, 4:25 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Again, so you say...
>
> Opinions are like Assholes, everyone has one.
>
> On Nov 9, 2:17 pm, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > My opinion based on where I have been and what I have done is worth way more
> > than your Wiki and CIA fact sources.
>
> > Get out, Travel, see some of the world. Do not stay in hotels, learn a
> > little of each language you come accross and LEARN SOMETHING.
>
> > your standard one sided sources have truly fucked you up.
>
> > On 11/9/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Again, so you say...
>
> > > You say a lot of shit, and rarely offer anything but your OPINION as
> > > any type of proof.
>
> > > And when offered empirical evidence to refute your Loony assertions
> > > you dismiss them outright and go into your Ad Hominem attacks.
>
> > > You have obviously never been wrong, in your tiny little Loony Liberal
> > > mind.
>
> > > Just like little Liar mikey and holly.
>
> > > 3 peas in a pod.
>
> > > On Nov 9, 10:19 am, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > and so it is.
>
> > > > On 11/9/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > So you say...
>
> > > > > On Nov 8, 9:19 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > He was obviously referring to the 2000 and 2004 elections, only an
> > > > > > idiot would not have realized that.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 8, 10:55 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > This coming from a guy that thinks Bush was running for a 3rd
> > > Term...
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 8, 6:32 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > You are clearly the Racist Mark!
>
> > > > > > > > You are truly MarkSchism.
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 10:04 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > will they do the same to the new chimp?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > --
> > > > Mark M. Kahle
> > > > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me-
> > > Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > --
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Re: for 8 years the libs called the president a chimp

[WarpTen]

It is really hard to see when living in a bubble. Thanks for shedding
more light for gaar to possibly see, MK

On Nov 9, 4:17 pm, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My opinion based on where I have been and what I have done is worth way more
> than your Wiki and CIA fact sources.
>
> Get out, Travel, see some of the world. Do not stay in hotels, learn a
> little of each language you come accross and LEARN SOMETHING.
>
> your standard one sided sources have truly fucked you up.
>
> On 11/9/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Again, so you say...
>
> > You say a lot of shit, and rarely offer anything but your OPINION as
> > any type of proof.
>
> > And when offered empirical evidence to refute your Loony assertions
> > you dismiss them outright and go into your Ad Hominem attacks.
>
> > You have obviously never been wrong, in your tiny little Loony Liberal
> > mind.
>
> > Just like little Liar mikey and holly.
>
> > 3 peas in a pod.
>
> > On Nov 9, 10:19 am, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > and so it is.
>
> > > On 11/9/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > So you say...
>
> > > > On Nov 8, 9:19 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > He was obviously referring to the 2000 and 2004 elections, only an
> > > > > idiot would not have realized that.
>
> > > > > On Nov 8, 10:55 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > This coming from a guy that thinks Bush was running for a 3rd
> > Term...
>
> > > > > > On Nov 8, 6:32 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > You are clearly the Racist Mark!
>
> > > > > > > You are truly MarkSchism.
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 8, 10:04 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > will they do the same to the new chimp?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > --
> > > Mark M. Kahle
> > > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me-
> > Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
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Re: for 8 years the libs called the president a chimp

[WarpTen]

gaar, you have your head stuck so far up your own ass you can't see
daylight.  What the hell are you trying to purport here?

You must think you are the greatest thing on the planet because you
can use a simulator which is actually in all actuality a "stimulator"
to your egoism.



On Nov 9, 4:13 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You understand that is how they TEACH Real Pilots to do it, right?
>
> On Nov 9, 2:12 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Ever done a Simulator, successfully?
>
> > On Nov 9, 2:02 pm, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > great fear factor there. no simulator 400 ft helo jump. try it
>
> > > On 11/9/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 9, 9:29 am, Running <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > No, and neither can you.
>
> > > > Actually, I have landed one on a Carrier, in a Computer Simulator...
>
> > > > I bet you can't even do that successfully.
>
> > > --
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> > > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- 
> > > Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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Re: for 8 years the libs called the president a chimp

[WarpTen]

Wow gaar, your vocabulary is really impressive.  Let's have a look,
empirical evidence, ad hominem, refute, a lot of shit and tiny little
loony. That is really indicative of your intelligence level gaar. How
do you expect people to respect your views when you misuse terminology
so recklessly? Did you ever hear about the genius who was living in a
town full of idiots?  Unfortunately he moved to another town and
became the local idiot.  The world is changing gaar and you can either
change with it or find yourself in a world of total dismay.

On Nov 9, 4:09 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Again, so you say...
>
> You say a lot of shit, and rarely offer anything but your OPINION as
> any type of proof.
>
> And when offered empirical evidence to refute your Loony assertions
> you dismiss them outright and go into your Ad Hominem attacks.
>
> You have obviously never been wrong, in your tiny little Loony Liberal
> mind.
>
> Just like little Liar mikey and holly.
>
> 3 peas in a pod.
>
> On Nov 9, 10:19 am, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > and so it is.
>
> > On 11/9/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > So you say...
>
> > > On Nov 8, 9:19 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > He was obviously referring to the 2000 and 2004 elections, only an
> > > > idiot would not have realized that.
>
> > > > On Nov 8, 10:55 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > This coming from a guy that thinks Bush was running for a 3rd Term...
>
> > > > > On Nov 8, 6:32 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > You are clearly the Racist Mark!
>
> > > > > > You are truly MarkSchism.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 8, 10:04 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > will they do the same to the new chimp?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > --
> > Mark M. Kahle
> > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me- Hide 
> > quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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Re: for 8 years the libs called the president a chimp

[WarpTen]

Thanks MK
The density is unfathomable.

On Nov 9, 4:03 pm, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> READING COMPREHENSION take a class or three.
>
> On 11/9/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > And which of those did he address, specifically?
>
> > On Nov 9, 10:23 am, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > no, not on ad hominem attack included he was indeed talking about your
> > > positions and ideology.
>
> > > On 11/9/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Wow, that was some retorte...  Not.
>
> > > > Did you make any point in that diatribe?
>
> > > > Nope, nothing but Ad Hominem attacks...
>
> > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > On Nov 9, 6:40 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Hollywood;
> > > > > This is the problem with gaar and others in here, wasting time with
> > > > > bullshit nonsense equivalent to High School antics. The Only value in
> > > > > it is the Humorous aspect of it.  Its such a joke to see how they
> > > > > squirm around in the muck trying to come up with something plausible
> > > > > through abstract thought pattern and gross aberration of reality. It
> > > > > reminds me so much of what was occurring during the election campaign
> > > > > when McCain and Palin both, void of any viability, tossed out a bunch
> > > > > of bullshit hoping it would stick to the minds of the less than
> > > > > average intelligence people, obviously with some degree of success.
> > > > > The distortion of issues presented did not pass the test of logic
> > > > > validation and therefore failed to sway the votes.  Now that it is
> > too
> > > > > late to smear and bash, they will spend their time picking and
> > digging
> > > > > for something, anything, no matter how far fetched. It is really
> > > > > pathetic and sad when you think about.  At least McCain was gracious
> > > > > enough to concede and acknowledge his failure.  I hope gaar and the
> > > > > others can get over it and stop wasting time on fabricated falsehoods
> > > > > and nauseating innuendo. Somehow, though, I get the feeling that
> > their
> > > > > cerebral gray matter has solidified to the point of losing
> > > > > tractability, possibly attributed to a psychosomatic disorder or
> > other
> > > > > anomaly associated with denial syndrome. All we can do is hope for
> > the
> > > > > best
>
> > > > > On Nov 8, 11:19 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > He was obviously referring to the 2000 and 2004 elections, only an
> > > > > > idiot would not have realized that.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 8, 10:55 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > This coming from a guy that thinks Bush was running for a 3rd
> > Term...
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 8, 6:32 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > You are clearly the Racist Mark!
>
> > > > > > > > You are truly MarkSchism.
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 10:04 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > will they do the same to the new chimp?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > --
> > > Mark M. Kahle
> > > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference Me-
> > Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> --
> Mark M. Kahle
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Re: for 8 years the libs called the president a chimp

[WarpTen]

Wow! You actually landed one on a carrier in a computer simulator? You
must have been hell on wheels with Pac Man!  Wow! Really?

You must be one of those Genius types!

LOL

Your just a piss ant in the global arena gaar.



On Nov 9, 4:00 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 9, 9:29 am, Running <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > No, and neither can you.
>
> Actually, I have landed one on a Carrier, in a Computer Simulator...
>
> I bet you can't even do that successfully.
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Re: for 8 years the libs called the president a chimp

[WarpTen]

Thank You Mr. Kahle!
   It seems that gaar hasn't the capacity to understand the essence of
ad hominem and so needlessly continues to put out more "Gaarbage" in
an attempt to appear intelligible, unfortunately the delivery is far
from perspicuous. The ambiguity is so prevalent within gaar's comments
that one cannot ascertain the integrity of the authorship. It really
is a challenge to attempt discourse with those who are so perverse in
nature.

Warpy!

On Nov 9, 12:23 pm, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> no, not on ad hominem attack included he was indeed talking about your
> positions and ideology.
>
> On 11/9/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Wow, that was some retorte...  Not.
>
> > Did you make any point in that diatribe?
>
> > Nope, nothing but Ad Hominem attacks...
>
> > Imagine that.
>
> > On Nov 9, 6:40 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hollywood;
> > > This is the problem with gaar and others in here, wasting time with
> > > bullshit nonsense equivalent to High School antics. The Only value in
> > > it is the Humorous aspect of it.  Its such a joke to see how they
> > > squirm around in the muck trying to come up with something plausible
> > > through abstract thought pattern and gross aberration of reality. It
> > > reminds me so much of what was occurring during the election campaign
> > > when McCain and Palin both, void of any viability, tossed out a bunch
> > > of bullshit hoping it would stick to the minds of the less than
> > > average intelligence people, obviously with some degree of success.
> > > The distortion of issues presented did not pass the test of logic
> > > validation and therefore failed to sway the votes.  Now that it is too
> > > late to smear and bash, they will spend their time picking and digging
> > > for something, anything, no matter how far fetched. It is really
> > > pathetic and sad when you think about.  At least McCain was gracious
> > > enough to concede and acknowledge his failure.  I hope gaar and the
> > > others can get over it and stop wasting time on fabricated falsehoods
> > > and nauseating innuendo. Somehow, though, I get the feeling that their
> > > cerebral gray matter has solidified to the point of losing
> > > tractability, possibly attributed to a psychosomatic disorder or other
> > > anomaly associated with denial syndrome. All we can do is hope for the
> > > best
>
> > > On Nov 8, 11:19 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > He was obviously referring to the 2000 and 2004 elections, only an
> > > > idiot would not have realized that.
>
> > > > On Nov 8, 10:55 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > This coming from a guy that thinks Bush was running for a 3rd Term...
>
> > > > > On Nov 8, 6:32 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > You are clearly the Racist Mark!
>
> > > > > > You are truly MarkSchism.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 8, 10:04 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > will they do the same to the new chimp?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> --
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Re: for 8 years the libs called the president a chimp

[WarpTen]

I did make a point and you just proved my point. lol

Not ad hominem at all, but if you insist I'll make exception
considering the source.

On Nov 9, 8:42 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wow, that was some retorte...  Not.
>
> Did you make any point in that diatribe?
>
> Nope, nothing but Ad Hominem attacks...
>
> Imagine that.
>
> On Nov 9, 6:40 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hollywood;
> > This is the problem with gaar and others in here, wasting time with
> > bullshit nonsense equivalent to High School antics. The Only value in
> > it is the Humorous aspect of it.  Its such a joke to see how they
> > squirm around in the muck trying to come up with something plausible
> > through abstract thought pattern and gross aberration of reality. It
> > reminds me so much of what was occurring during the election campaign
> > when McCain and Palin both, void of any viability, tossed out a bunch
> > of bullshit hoping it would stick to the minds of the less than
> > average intelligence people, obviously with some degree of success.
> > The distortion of issues presented did not pass the test of logic
> > validation and therefore failed to sway the votes.  Now that it is too
> > late to smear and bash, they will spend their time picking and digging
> > for something, anything, no matter how far fetched. It is really
> > pathetic and sad when you think about.  At least McCain was gracious
> > enough to concede and acknowledge his failure.  I hope gaar and the
> > others can get over it and stop wasting time on fabricated falsehoods
> > and nauseating innuendo. Somehow, though, I get the feeling that their
> > cerebral gray matter has solidified to the point of losing
> > tractability, possibly attributed to a psychosomatic disorder or other
> > anomaly associated with denial syndrome. All we can do is hope for the
> > best
>
> > On Nov 8, 11:19 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Gaar,
>
> > > He was obviously referring to the 2000 and 2004 elections, only an
> > > idiot would not have realized that.
>
> > > On Nov 8, 10:55 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > This coming from a guy that thinks Bush was running for a 3rd Term...
>
> > > > On Nov 8, 6:32 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > You are clearly the Racist Mark!
>
> > > > > You are truly MarkSchism.
>
> > > > > On Nov 8, 10:04 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > will they do the same to the new chimp?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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Re: for 8 years the libs called the president a chimp

[WarpTen]

Bravo!!

On Nov 9, 6:40 am, Running <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Despite the fact that President Bush has a B.S.
> Degree from Yale, and an MBA from Harvard
> =
> With all of the backing that he's had in life, it's just not that
> impressive.
>
> I earned a Master's Degree from Stevens Institute of Technology
> (studying nights and weekends), while working full-time and taking
> care of my family.
>
> I am not a moonbat.
>
> On Nov 8, 2:25 pm, "Keith In Tampa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 8, 1:24 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE  wrote:
> > Seems??? My dog is more intelligent, more honest and more consistent in his
> > positions than boy George.
>
> > On Nov 8, 11:45 am, Running  wrote:
> > Unlikely, as Obama seems to be more intelligent than Bush.
>
> > ==
> > I still don't get it.  Despite the fact that President Bush has a B.S.
> > Degree from Yale, and an MBA from Harvard, Moonbats consider our current
> > President an idiot.
>
> > It doesn't matter that President elect Obama has had so many gaffs, from the
> > "57 States" comment, to  "My Muslim Religion" and let's not forget the "Iran
> > is not a threat/Iran is a grave threat"Just yesterday, in the spirit of
> > bi-partisanship, Senator Obama said:
>
> > *"I didn't want to get into a Nancy Reagan thing about, you know, doing any
> > seances"*
> > President elect Barack Hussein Obama, November 7, 2008.
>
> > Here are just a few of President elect Barack Hussein Obama's "Greatest
> > Ignorant Stupid" gems, to date:
>
> >http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/05/obamas_latest_stunning_ga...
>
> >http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.politics/2008-05/msg0...
>
> >http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2008/05/27/obamas-gaffes-st...
>
> >  On the other hand, here is why Moonbats have every reason to feel grateful
> > to our current Commander in Chief:
>
> > Click Here, To See An Example Of Disgrace!
> > 
>
> > Here Is Another Great Example!
> > 
>
> > On Nov 8, 1:24 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Seems??? My dog is more intelligent, more honest and more consistent
> > > in his positions than boy George.
>
> > > On Nov 8, 11:45 am, Running <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Unlikely, as Obama seems to be more intelligent than Bush.
>
> > > > On Nov 8, 11:04 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > will they do the same to the new chimp?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
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Re: for 8 years the libs called the president a chimp

[WarpTen]

Hollywood;
This is the problem with gaar and others in here, wasting time with
bullshit nonsense equivalent to High School antics. The Only value in
it is the Humorous aspect of it.  Its such a joke to see how they
squirm around in the muck trying to come up with something plausible
through abstract thought pattern and gross aberration of reality. It
reminds me so much of what was occurring during the election campaign
when McCain and Palin both, void of any viability, tossed out a bunch
of bullshit hoping it would stick to the minds of the less than
average intelligence people, obviously with some degree of success.
The distortion of issues presented did not pass the test of logic
validation and therefore failed to sway the votes.  Now that it is too
late to smear and bash, they will spend their time picking and digging
for something, anything, no matter how far fetched. It is really
pathetic and sad when you think about.  At least McCain was gracious
enough to concede and acknowledge his failure.  I hope gaar and the
others can get over it and stop wasting time on fabricated falsehoods
and nauseating innuendo. Somehow, though, I get the feeling that their
cerebral gray matter has solidified to the point of losing
tractability, possibly attributed to a psychosomatic disorder or other
anomaly associated with denial syndrome. All we can do is hope for the
best


On Nov 8, 11:19 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gaar,
>
> He was obviously referring to the 2000 and 2004 elections, only an
> idiot would not have realized that.
>
> On Nov 8, 10:55 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > This coming from a guy that thinks Bush was running for a 3rd Term...
>
> > On Nov 8, 6:32 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > You are clearly the Racist Mark!
>
> > > You are truly MarkSchism.
>
> > > On Nov 8, 10:04 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > will they do the same to the new chimp?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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Re: for 8 years the libs called the president a chimp

[WarpTen]

You are clearly the Racist Mark!

You are truly MarkSchism.






On Nov 8, 10:04 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> will they do the same to the new chimp?
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Re: for 8 years the libs called the president a chimp

[WarpTen]

Idiots voted for Bush Chaney gaar!!!

Get it right gaar!!!

Crawl out of your shell gaar!!

Bush and his cronies buried us, our children, our grandchildren and
possibly our great grandchildren, all in deep debt gaar.

Why are you so adamant about it gaar?

Even McCain AND Bush committed to doing everything they can to support
our New President Barack Obama, gaar.

What are you afraid of gaar?

What are you worried about?

gaar?

gaar?

Are you all there gaar?

I just love lighting up a Cigaar.

You are funny as hell gaar.

Love the comedy gaar!



On Nov 8, 7:55 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 11:52 am, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > apparently so. idiots voted in droves.
>
> Yes they did, and Obama was Elected because of it...
>
> For the first time in History, it seems Citizens under 30 decided this
> Election.
>
> And now we have proof that our Education System has bveen failing us
> for some time now.
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Re: Obama Told SF Chronicle He Would 'Bankrupt' the Coal Industry

[WarpTen]

You called me an idiot, that is the first violation of group forum
protocol. This is also indicative of your frustration. Again you imply
socialism when the majority of the sane world rejects such a notion.
Why is that?

You have this preconceived notion that we are going to get a bill in
the mail when the fact is that the bill has already arrived in the
form of the Bush speech duping everyone into thinking that we need to
bail out a bunch of greedy wall street assholes OR the world around us
is going to implode. It's more Bush Bullshit also known simply as
BuShit.

You must really love it!


On Nov 7, 7:58 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No surprise, he couldn't name even one...
>
> Just boasting about "Winning".
>
> We'll see how much he likes WInning when he gets the Bill.
>
> By the way you Idiot...
>
> I don't have to sit around and take it, I will be leaving your
> Socialist Paradise as soon as my Tax Credits are used up.
>
> Good Luck with your Social Paradise, you are going to need it.
>
> On Nov 7, 5:51 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Truth is you all of like minds are just used to stroking each other
> > regardless of what little you have to offer in the form of actual
> > truth.  You all put out your bias and then reward each other with 5
> > star ratings to make it appear that there is something of substance
> > when there is nothing.
> > It is easy to see that there are just a few of you that comprise the
> > active membership because everyone else can see that it is a lost
> > cause debating with people that are simply diehards.  Something like
> > trying to convince a skin head that black people aren't all that bad
> > but running into the wall each time.
> > People really have better things to do.
>
> > FACT: Obama is our President, you all have lost out because of the
> > pathetic behavior of the Republicans.  You and your pals Smear
> > Campaign has come to an abrupt halt with nothing left to do but have
> > your little pity party and stroke each other with 5 star ratings to
> > make yourselves feel good.  You LOST!
> > The race wasn't even close and so you have become part of the
> > minority.  Stock up on the Kleenex, it is going to be a long road
> > ahead for you. LOL
>
> > Well I've need to get back to the Obama Celebration Party.  Live
> > Music, Magic and a Lingerie Show out by the Pool at Midnight, Huge
> > Buffet and Open Bar.  Hey if you can make it stop on by, just don't
> > wear those stupid McCain Palin buttons.
>
> > Oh if you can't make it tonight there will be another, even larger
> > celebration on January 20th when Little Bush goes back to the ranch,
> > hopefully forever. LOL
>
> > Later
>
> > Yours Truthfully,
> > Warp Ten
>
> > On Nov 7, 11:22 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Fool is putting it lightly...
>
> > > Wanna bet he can't admit that Truth?
>
> > > On Nov 7, 8:35 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > "Fool us once shame on you; Fool us twice shame on us; Fool us thrice
> > > > you must be the Bush Administration. "
>
> > > > I think you're just generally a fool, regardless of the
> > > > administration.
>
> > > > Does this help?
>
> > > > On Nov 7, 10:28 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > The "FACTS" are on Every News Station in Every City across the
> > > > > Nation.  They are Not My Facts, nor are they made up facts.
>
> > > > > This administration is no better than any of the Enron executives.
> > > > > When Bush and Chaney come under Federal Investigation for their
> > > > > crooked dealings and their lies, the world will see why we have
> > > > > Spiraled Down the Abyss of Economic Disaster over the Past Eight
> > > > > Years.
>
> > > > > Look what they left us with!
>
> > > > > They are leaving office and leaving all the garbage behind for
> > > > > everyone else to clean up.
>
> > > > > The only thing they are taking with them is the millions they
> > > > > accumulated through there unified corruption and egregious lies to the
> > > > > American People and the World.
>
> > > > > FACT>> Iraq oil revenues are booming and they have a huge surplus
> > > > > going on while the USA continues investing Billions in the rebuilding
> > > > > of Iraq and our homela

Re: Obama Told SF Chronicle He Would 'Bankrupt' the Coal Industry

[WarpTen]

Truth is you all of like minds are just used to stroking each other
regardless of what little you have to offer in the form of actual
truth.  You all put out your bias and then reward each other with 5
star ratings to make it appear that there is something of substance
when there is nothing.
It is easy to see that there are just a few of you that comprise the
active membership because everyone else can see that it is a lost
cause debating with people that are simply diehards.  Something like
trying to convince a skin head that black people aren't all that bad
but running into the wall each time.
People really have better things to do.

FACT: Obama is our President, you all have lost out because of the
pathetic behavior of the Republicans.  You and your pals Smear
Campaign has come to an abrupt halt with nothing left to do but have
your little pity party and stroke each other with 5 star ratings to
make yourselves feel good.  You LOST!
The race wasn't even close and so you have become part of the
minority.  Stock up on the Kleenex, it is going to be a long road
ahead for you. LOL

Well I've need to get back to the Obama Celebration Party.  Live
Music, Magic and a Lingerie Show out by the Pool at Midnight, Huge
Buffet and Open Bar.  Hey if you can make it stop on by, just don't
wear those stupid McCain Palin buttons.

Oh if you can't make it tonight there will be another, even larger
celebration on January 20th when Little Bush goes back to the ranch,
hopefully forever. LOL

Later

Yours Truthfully,
Warp Ten



On Nov 7, 11:22 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Fool is putting it lightly...
>
> Wanna bet he can't admit that Truth?
>
> On Nov 7, 8:35 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Fool us once shame on you; Fool us twice shame on us; Fool us thrice
> > you must be the Bush Administration. "
>
> > I think you're just generally a fool, regardless of the
> > administration.
>
> > Does this help?
>
> > On Nov 7, 10:28 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > The "FACTS" are on Every News Station in Every City across the
> > > Nation.  They are Not My Facts, nor are they made up facts.
>
> > > This administration is no better than any of the Enron executives.
> > > When Bush and Chaney come under Federal Investigation for their
> > > crooked dealings and their lies, the world will see why we have
> > > Spiraled Down the Abyss of Economic Disaster over the Past Eight
> > > Years.
>
> > > Look what they left us with!
>
> > > They are leaving office and leaving all the garbage behind for
> > > everyone else to clean up.
>
> > > The only thing they are taking with them is the millions they
> > > accumulated through there unified corruption and egregious lies to the
> > > American People and the World.
>
> > > FACT>> Iraq oil revenues are booming and they have a huge surplus
> > > going on while the USA continues investing Billions in the rebuilding
> > > of Iraq and our homeland is facing a massive budget deficit that is
> > > historical.
> > > What do you think is behind this Skewed Logic? and Who do you think
> > > has something to gain from it?
>
> > > Do the names Bush, Chaney, Halliburton and anyone else associated with
> > > Big Oil ring a bell?
>
> > > Fool us once shame on you; Fool us twice shame on us; Fool us thrice
> > > you must be the Bush Administration.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 1:36 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Understood...
>
> > > > Why worry about facts when you can make up your own shit.
>
> > > > I call those Dan Rather Facts, for obvious reasons.
>
> > > > You seem to call it "Truth".
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 11:14 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > To hell with them stats. It is the talk of the town about how many
> > > > > people are suffering right now in this county.  Wake up and quit
> > > > > denying the truth!!  Your just wasting time with all your bullshit
> > > > > facts.
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 9:42 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Nov 5, 5:43 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > It is obvious that you didn't really take the time to research 
> > > > > > > poverty
> > > > > > > but as a convenience to accommodate yourself you merely did a 
> > > > > > > copy and
> > > > > > > paste on the first thing you

Re: America's tombstone

[WarpTen]

"Obviously you haven't a CLUE about what caused this Crisis, or you
would know just how little Bush had to do with it... "<<< wrote:
> Obviously you haven't a CLUE about what caused this Crisis, or you
> would know just how little Bush had to do with it...
>
> But ignorant people, like you, seem to think it is always the
> Presidents fault, and never look any deeper to find the real problems.
>
> Imagine that.
>
> On Nov 5, 6:06 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > We have a long row to hoe, as the saying goes. Much of the current
> > situation (not all) lies in Bush's lap. I don't think electing another
> > Republican, with the same game plan, was going to improve the current
> > situation. Somtimes, a change in direction is what is called for. As
> > for Obama representing a tombstone for this country, I disagree. I
> > support every president elect in this country until given reason to do
> > otherwise. It's hard to criticize Obama's presidency when he hasn't
> > even sat in the chair.
> > We have big problems in this country, my friend.and it is going to
> > take cooperation (something that has been lacking for some time) of a
> > bipartisan sort to dig us out of this mess. Will Obama be the panacea?
> > That has yet to be seenbut we have to start somewhere.
>
> > On Nov 5, 8:52 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > The sad thing is...
>
> > > You seem to believe yesterday will help make it better.
>
> > > On Nov 5, 5:39 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Yeah.a tragedy.we were on such a good course up until
> > > > yesterday.
>
> > > > 
>
> > > > On Nov 5, 6:28 pm, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Born July 4, 1776
>
> > > > > Died Nov 4, 2008
>
> > > > > cause of death: suicide- Hide quoted text -
>
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Re: Obama Told SF Chronicle He Would 'Bankrupt' the Coal Industry

[WarpTen]

It's your bubble not mine. I live in the real world and not afraid to
admit the truth.

On Nov 6, 2:24 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Your bubble is what you make it.
>
> On Nov 6, 1:10 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > WOW!!! I guess that solves the problem then for everyone everywhere!
>
> > I guess that little Bubble you live in is representative of the entire
> > country.
>
> > Hey can we all move into your little bubble?  It sounds like
> > everything is so perfect in there!
>
> > On Nov 5, 7:54 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 5, 5:43 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > and when your schools don't even have
> > > > computers you ask "What the hell is going on here?"
>
> > > When my Schools didn't have Compters, I went to Paul Allen and we
> > > donated the Resources to start a Computer Class...
>
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Re: Obama Told SF Chronicle He Would 'Bankrupt' the Coal Industry

[WarpTen]

The "FACTS" are on Every News Station in Every City across the
Nation.  They are Not My Facts, nor are they made up facts.

This administration is no better than any of the Enron executives.
When Bush and Chaney come under Federal Investigation for their
crooked dealings and their lies, the world will see why we have
Spiraled Down the Abyss of Economic Disaster over the Past Eight
Years.

Look what they left us with!

They are leaving office and leaving all the garbage behind for
everyone else to clean up.

The only thing they are taking with them is the millions they
accumulated through there unified corruption and egregious lies to the
American People and the World.

FACT>> Iraq oil revenues are booming and they have a huge surplus
going on while the USA continues investing Billions in the rebuilding
of Iraq and our homeland is facing a massive budget deficit that is
historical.
What do you think is behind this Skewed Logic? and Who do you think
has something to gain from it?

Do the names Bush, Chaney, Halliburton and anyone else associated with
Big Oil ring a bell?

Fool us once shame on you; Fool us twice shame on us; Fool us thrice
you must be the Bush Administration.





On Nov 6, 1:36 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Understood...
>
> Why worry about facts when you can make up your own shit.
>
> I call those Dan Rather Facts, for obvious reasons.
>
> You seem to call it "Truth".
>
> On Nov 6, 11:14 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > To hell with them stats. It is the talk of the town about how many
> > people are suffering right now in this county.  Wake up and quit
> > denying the truth!!  Your just wasting time with all your bullshit
> > facts.
>
> > On Nov 6, 9:42 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 5, 5:43 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > It is obvious that you didn't really take the time to research poverty
> > > > but as a convenience to accommodate yourself you merely did a copy and
> > > > paste on the first thing you could find.  Obviously you didn't take
> > > > the time to see that the article you offered is dated at the beginning
> > > > of 2004 which is representative of previous years accumulated data.
> > > > This is typical of the type of posts you present in this forum, weak
> > > > and outdated.
>
> > > Obviously YOU didn't READ that this is the second of such Reports, and
> > > the numbers only went UP for the Poor during the near Decade between
> > > the two...
>
> > > I offer you FACTS to support my position...
>
> > > You have offered nothing but your opinion, stated as fact.
>
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Re: Obama Told SF Chronicle He Would 'Bankrupt' the Coal Industry

[WarpTen]

WOW!!! I guess that solves the problem then for everyone everywhere!

I guess that little Bubble you live in is representative of the entire
country.

Hey can we all move into your little bubble?  It sounds like
everything is so perfect in there!

On Nov 5, 7:54 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 5, 5:43 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > and when your schools don't even have
> > computers you ask "What the hell is going on here?"
>
> When my Schools didn't have Compters, I went to Paul Allen and we
> donated the Resources to start a Computer Class...
>
> I didn't need the Government to do that.
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Re: Obama Told SF Chronicle He Would 'Bankrupt' the Coal Industry

[WarpTen]

To hell with them stats. It is the talk of the town about how many
people are suffering right now in this county.  Wake up and quit
denying the truth!!  Your just wasting time with all your bullshit
facts.

On Nov 6, 9:42 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 5, 5:43 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It is obvious that you didn't really take the time to research poverty
> > but as a convenience to accommodate yourself you merely did a copy and
> > paste on the first thing you could find.  Obviously you didn't take
> > the time to see that the article you offered is dated at the beginning
> > of 2004 which is representative of previous years accumulated data.
> > This is typical of the type of posts you present in this forum, weak
> > and outdated.
>
> Obviously YOU didn't READ that this is the second of such Reports, and
> the numbers only went UP for the Poor during the near Decade between
> the two...
>
> I offer you FACTS to support my position...
>
> You have offered nothing but your opinion, stated as fact.
>
> Imagine that.
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Re: Obama Told SF Chronicle He Would 'Bankrupt' the Coal Industry

[WarpTen]

At least your closer to making some decent point than some of these
hard wood people in here.

On Nov 6, 7:38 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "How about one day you lose your job, your car gets
> repossessed and you can't pay for your living accommodations."
>
> That might happen someday, no doubt, but I'd dust my self off to the
> best of my ability and get back on the horse.  I've started with
> literally nothing.  Been there, done that, and know how to rise above
> it.
>
> "Why do I say that? Because there was a
> time that I went from over $200,000 per year to $200 per month and
> lost a lifetime in the process.  However, after 3 months of help I
> regained stature and proceeded to climb back up the ladder."
>
> Exactly.  Govt benefits might have played a role here and in essence
> you're proving my point.  There is assistance there for the truly
> needed.  You're living proof.
>
> "I've taken
> many a homeless person and homeless family off the street in a simple
> effort to give them a chance to regain that footing in life that is
> so
> necessary to survive on one's own. Don't try to say that you don't
> need the government because one day you surely may have to rely it
> for
> survival."
>
> I personally, right now, most certainly don't need govt benefits.  For
> those that truly do (and if I ever do), programs are in place.  No
> one, anywhere in the US is "starving" right now.  They aren't.  But we
> can't throw more money at isolated problems without accountability.
>
> Get it?
>
> On Nov 5, 7:15 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Is that how you operate? You don't need the government's blah blah
> > blah?  The world does not revolve around your personal needs, wants,
> > or don't needs and don't wants. I don't know if you've noticed but
> > there are millions of other people living on the planet, each with a
> > unique living situation.  We are not all clones with similar
> > lifestyles.  Your view is narrow and your response based on your
> > personal outlook is irrelevant to say the least. Aside from that you
> > are specifying what you think the government should help you with,
> > such as roads, schools and law enforcement, which in a sense is
> > hypocritical. How about one day you lose your job, your car gets
> > repossessed and you can't pay for your living accommodations.  You
> > "Will" go the the nearest office and apply for government assistance.
> > You "Will" take the food stamps to the nearest store and buy food to
> > feed your starving family.  Why do I say that? Because there was a
> > time that I went from over $200,000 per year to $200 per month and
> > lost a lifetime in the process.  However, after 3 months of help I
> > regained stature and proceeded to climb back up the ladder. I've taken
> > many a homeless person and homeless family off the street in a simple
> > effort to give them a chance to regain that footing in life that is so
> > necessary to survive on one's own. Don't try to say that you don't
> > need the government because one day you surely may have to rely it for
> > survival. We will all be lucky if we can stave off a major depression
> > and we have come really close, but don't count on it as a surety.
> > There still remains a lot to be seen in the future of global
> > economics. Other countries are also scrambling to pull together and
> > form the adhesion necessary for economic survival.  We may all as a
> > global community implode financially causing a cataclysmic
> > catastrophe.  Don't think for one minute that the world's economy
> > can't collapse. History repeats itself my friend, so brush up on world
> > history and see the future. In fact a good start might be the
> > comparison of America with the Roman Empire and the symbolism of its
> > demise. Here are some sources which offer some uncanny similarities.
>
> >http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=2526http://www...
>
> > Or find writings of your own choosing here:
> >  http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfn...
>
> > Either way it is a good read for anyone of any affiliation with any
> > political party.
>
> > On Nov 5, 4:40 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > I don't need the govt's help other than to pave my roads, build
> > > schools and keep people from stealing my big screen tevee.
>
> > > On Nov 5, 4

Re: America's tombstone

[WarpTen]

These are ALL your own personal misguided labels.  NO ONE agrees that
this is going to be a socialist administration.  You are jumping the
gun and making wild accusations. We will grow as a Nation!!

Perhaps you are dense beyond your own recognition. That other post of
yours about our military shooting at us by order of Obama is still
causing a huge laugh.

You are over the edge and need psychiatric evaluation.



On Nov 5, 5:43 pm, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> warp you are almost as dense as mikey.
> since went is socialism growth
> since when is government control over all aspects of your life growth
> since went is subversion of the constitution growth
> since when is spreading the wealth growth.
> you are quite simply a fool.
>
> On Nov 5, 6:37 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Please Mark!  Get over your deep seated insensitivity towards growth.
> > The majority of the nation is open minded and they have spoken in
> > unison.
>
> > Your Smear Campaign in OVER!!  Give it up and start become a part of
> > the solution instead of insisting on being a part of the obstacle.
>
> > Our Country has Grown and it is time for You to Grow!
>
> > Move forward in progress and don't regress!
>
> > Overcome yourself Mark!
>
> > If you have it in you.
>
> > I know you do.
>
> > You Can!
>
> > Do it!
>
> > Yes!
>
> > On Nov 5, 5:28 pm, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Born July 4, 1776
>
> > > Died Nov 4, 2008
>
> > > cause of death: suicide
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Re: Obama Told SF Chronicle He Would 'Bankrupt' the Coal Industry

[WarpTen]

It is obvious that you didn't really take the time to research poverty
but as a convenience to accommodate yourself you merely did a copy and
paste on the first thing you could find.  Obviously you didn't take
the time to see that the article you offered is dated at the beginning
of 2004 which is representative of previous years accumulated data.
This is typical of the type of posts you present in this forum, weak
and outdated.
Just a reminder, the year is 2008 going on 2009 which dates your
statistical offering at nearly over 5 years "OLD".
It's funny how the current state of the economy and the ensuing
poverty is concurrent in our daily lives but you have to dig up graves
to prove yourself worthy.
It is your ignorance in the matter that prevails!

The government is your wife. They are the people that you hire to run
things for you while you are busy working for a living. Those are the
people you trust to make sure your needs are taken care of.  Needs
like good roads to drive on, good schools for your kids, and of course
laws to protect you from thieves and con artists etc etc etc.

When the roads you drive on are full of pot holes you ask, "What the
hell are paying taxes for?" and when your schools don't even have
computers you ask "What the hell is going on here?" and when your
house gets robbed you want to know why are you paying a police
department's salary. (a local government agency).

You see there is this misconception that the government is some "Free
Agent" that operates on it's own without having to answer to anyone.
But the reality is that they are servants of the people and have to
answer to the people.  I know it's hard to believe in view of the way
the political system has been operating but the fact remains.  The
government is "supposed" to work for you.


On Nov 5, 4:46 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Government isn't my Wife...
>
> I expect things of myself, and my Wife, that I don't expect from the
> Government.
>
> On Nov 5, 2:17 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It is the government's responsibility, after taking our money, to
> > establish a stable economy for all people, not just those who are in
> > business, or special interest groups. People should be able to find
> > employment sufficient enough to provide the basic necessities for the
> > family. When budget cuts forced school closings around the country,
> > decent hard working people found themselves out of work and unable to
> > pay their bills.  This is not lazy looking for a handout people, but
> > people who take pride in working for a living. Who is responsible for
> > economic shortfalls?  The politician who claim they are going to fix
> > it all up and make everything good.  Reality?  Year after year it gets
> > worse while the financial portfolios grow larger for those at the top
> > of the food chain. This recent bail out is a perfect example as the
> > people get shafted with 800 billion in debt so irresponsible
> > executives can walk away with millions of dollars in their pockets.
> > What is wrong with the picture? You tell me!
>
> > If you turned over your paycheck every week to your wife with the
> > belief that she was going to take care of all the bills and provide
> > all the provisions necessary for the home only to find one day that
> > some of the services are getting turned off because she decided one
> > day to go on a shopping spree, what would you do? Nothing?  Suck it up
> > and hope that she gets it better next month?  Listen to others that
> > say they will take your pay check and make it work for you and then
> > dig you deeper in the muck? It's time to put an end to irresponsible
> > government, period. Take a good look back just recently and see how
> > Bush and Chaney really helped us all out.
>
> > On Nov 5, 8:29 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > "The fact is
> > > there are more people homeless now due to the foreclosure crisis
> > > brought on by bad government policies. People "are" lacking shelter
> > > in
> > > the US, stop deluding yourself. Thousands of children go to bed
> > > without dinner every night and thousands more are nutritionally
> > > deficient."
>
> > > I don't dispute the above; I dispute whose fault it is.  Are you
> > > claiming it's the govt's responsibility to see that children got to be
> > > each night only after they've had dinner?  That their meals are
> > > nutritionally sufficient?
>
> > > Already many schools, including those here in Dallas, have programs
> > >

Re: Obama Told SF Chronicle He Would 'Bankrupt' the Coal Industry

[WarpTen]

That wasn't the point which obviously was over your head. You and gaar
should reread and try to block your mental abstractions long enough to
get the meaning of what is being presented in someone's post.

On Nov 5, 4:53 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Government isn't a god, either. It can't deal with the weather or
> fires or food safety or stop crime, etc.
>
> On Nov 5, 4:46 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The Government isn't my Wife...
>
> > I expect things of myself, and my Wife, that I don't expect from the
> > Government.
>
> > On Nov 5, 2:17 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > It is the government's responsibility, after taking our money, to
> > > establish a stable economy for all people, not just those who are in
> > > business, or special interest groups. People should be able to find
> > > employment sufficient enough to provide the basic necessities for the
> > > family. When budget cuts forced school closings around the country,
> > > decent hard working people found themselves out of work and unable to
> > > pay their bills. This is not lazy looking for a handout people, but
> > > people who take pride in working for a living. Who is responsible for
> > > economic shortfalls? The politician who claim they are going to fix
> > > it all up and make everything good. Reality? Year after year it gets
> > > worse while the financial portfolios grow larger for those at the top
> > > of the food chain. This recent bail out is a perfect example as the
> > > people get shafted with 800 billion in debt so irresponsible
> > > executives can walk away with millions of dollars in their pockets.
> > > What is wrong with the picture? You tell me!
>
> > > If you turned over your paycheck every week to your wife with the
> > > belief that she was going to take care of all the bills and provide
> > > all the provisions necessary for the home only to find one day that
> > > some of the services are getting turned off because she decided one
> > > day to go on a shopping spree, what would you do? Nothing? Suck it up
> > > and hope that she gets it better next month? Listen to others that
> > > say they will take your pay check and make it work for you and then
> > > dig you deeper in the muck? It's time to put an end to irresponsible
> > > government, period. Take a good look back just recently and see how
> > > Bush and Chaney really helped us all out.
>
> > > On Nov 5, 8:29 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > "The fact is
> > > > there are more people homeless now due to the foreclosure crisis
> > > > brought on by bad government policies. People "are" lacking shelter
> > > > in
> > > > the US, stop deluding yourself. Thousands of children go to bed
> > > > without dinner every night and thousands more are nutritionally
> > > > deficient."
>
> > > > I don't dispute the above; I dispute whose fault it is. Are you
> > > > claiming it's the govt's responsibility to see that children got to be
> > > > each night only after they've had dinner? That their meals are
> > > > nutritionally sufficient?
>
> > > > Already many schools, including those here in Dallas, have programs
> > > > pursuant to which kids are sent home on Fridays with backpacks full of
> > > > food for the weekend. So they can be ensured of having decent meals.
> > > > Is this the govt's duty? Apparently it's becoming so (though many of
> > > > these programs are funded by private charities). Is this creating any
> > > > responsibility or independence on the part of the parents? I would
> > > > argue the exact opposite, more than likely it's giving them the
> > > > opportunity to spend their money on things other then nutritionally
> > > > sufficient meals.
>
> > > > On Nov 5, 8:15 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Your the one that needs to get out of the basement and possibly even
> > > > > out of the closet. I'm approaching 60 years old and have a better
> > > > > grasp as to the reality of poverty in the US than you can imagine.
> > > > > I've seen this country rise and fall throughout the years and can see
> > > > > what government or the lack thereof can do to the economy. The fact is
> > > > > there are more p

Re: Obama Told SF Chronicle He Would 'Bankrupt' the Coal Industry

[WarpTen]

Is that how you operate? You don't need the government's blah blah
blah?  The world does not revolve around your personal needs, wants,
or don't needs and don't wants. I don't know if you've noticed but
there are millions of other people living on the planet, each with a
unique living situation.  We are not all clones with similar
lifestyles.  Your view is narrow and your response based on your
personal outlook is irrelevant to say the least. Aside from that you
are specifying what you think the government should help you with,
such as roads, schools and law enforcement, which in a sense is
hypocritical. How about one day you lose your job, your car gets
repossessed and you can't pay for your living accommodations.  You
"Will" go the the nearest office and apply for government assistance.
You "Will" take the food stamps to the nearest store and buy food to
feed your starving family.  Why do I say that? Because there was a
time that I went from over $200,000 per year to $200 per month and
lost a lifetime in the process.  However, after 3 months of help I
regained stature and proceeded to climb back up the ladder. I've taken
many a homeless person and homeless family off the street in a simple
effort to give them a chance to regain that footing in life that is so
necessary to survive on one's own. Don't try to say that you don't
need the government because one day you surely may have to rely it for
survival. We will all be lucky if we can stave off a major depression
and we have come really close, but don't count on it as a surety.
There still remains a lot to be seen in the future of global
economics. Other countries are also scrambling to pull together and
form the adhesion necessary for economic survival.  We may all as a
global community implode financially causing a cataclysmic
catastrophe.  Don't think for one minute that the world's economy
can't collapse. History repeats itself my friend, so brush up on world
history and see the future. In fact a good start might be the
comparison of America with the Roman Empire and the symbolism of its
demise. Here are some sources which offer some uncanny similarities.

http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=2526
http://www.roman-empire-america-now.com/

Or find writings of your own choosing here:
 
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=America+and+the+Roman+Empire

Either way it is a good read for anyone of any affiliation with any
political party.



On Nov 5, 4:40 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't need the govt's help other than to pave my roads, build
> schools and keep people from stealing my big screen tevee.
>
> On Nov 5, 4:17 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It is the government's responsibility, after taking our money, to
> > establish a stable economy for all people, not just those who are in
> > business, or special interest groups. People should be able to find
> > employment sufficient enough to provide the basic necessities for the
> > family. When budget cuts forced school closings around the country,
> > decent hard working people found themselves out of work and unable to
> > pay their bills.  This is not lazy looking for a handout people, but
> > people who take pride in working for a living. Who is responsible for
> > economic shortfalls?  The politician who claim they are going to fix
> > it all up and make everything good.  Reality?  Year after year it gets
> > worse while the financial portfolios grow larger for those at the top
> > of the food chain. This recent bail out is a perfect example as the
> > people get shafted with 800 billion in debt so irresponsible
> > executives can walk away with millions of dollars in their pockets.
> > What is wrong with the picture? You tell me!
>
> > If you turned over your paycheck every week to your wife with the
> > belief that she was going to take care of all the bills and provide
> > all the provisions necessary for the home only to find one day that
> > some of the services are getting turned off because she decided one
> > day to go on a shopping spree, what would you do? Nothing?  Suck it up
> > and hope that she gets it better next month?  Listen to others that
> > say they will take your pay check and make it work for you and then
> > dig you deeper in the muck? It's time to put an end to irresponsible
> > government, period. Take a good look back just recently and see how
> > Bush and Chaney really helped us all out.
>
> > On Nov 5, 8:29 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > "The fact is
> > > there are more people homeless now due to the foreclosure

Re: Coal official calls Obama comments 'unbelievable'

[WarpTen]

I retract all commentary!

On Nov 3, 7:41 am, fedup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It takes a real puny little mind to insult rather than make a viable
> point.
>
> On Nov 3, 6:57 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Everyone is entitled to their puny little mind's opinion.
>
> > On Nov 3, 5:47 am, fedup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > CHARLESTON - At least one state coal industry leader said he was
> > > shocked by comments Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama
> > > made earlier this year concerning his plan to aggressively charge
> > > polluters for carbon and greenhouse gas emissions.
>
> > > "What I've said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place
> > > that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else's out
> > > there," Obama said in a Jan. 17 interview with the San Francisco
> > > Chronicle that was made public today first on the Web site
> > > newsbusters.org, which calls itself "the leader in documenting,
> > > exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias." The story later was
> > > linked on The Drudge Report.
>
> > > An audio excerpt from the interview can be found at YouTube.
>
> > > "I was the first to call for a 100 percent auction on the cap and
> > > trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse
> > > gases emitted would be charged to the polluter," Obama continued.
> > > "That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out
> > > there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being
> > > built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the
> > > ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.
>
> > > "So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's
> > > just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a
> > > huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."
>
> > > Calls and e-mails to West Virginia Obama campaign officials seeking
> > > comment for this story were not returned as of Sunday evening.
>
> > > According to the West Virginia Office of Miners' Health, Safety and
> > > Training, the coal industry provides about 40,000 direct jobs in the
> > > state, including those for miners, mine contractors, coal preparation
> > > plant employees and mine supply company workers.
>
> > > West Virginia is the second largest coal-producing state in the
> > > country behind Wyoming and accounts for about 15 percent of all coal
> > > production in the United States. The Mountain State leads the nation
> > > in underground coal production and leads the nation in coal exports
> > > with over 50 million tons shipped to 23 countries. West Virginia
> > > accounts for about half of U.S. coal exports.
>
> > > In addition, the coal industry pays about $70 million in property
> > > taxes in the state annually, and the Coal Severance Tax adds about
> > > $214 million into West Virginia's economy. The coal industry payroll
> > > in the state is nearly $2 billion per year, and coal is responsible
> > > for more than $3.5 billion annually in the gross state product.
>
> > > "The only thing I've said with respect to coal, I haven't been some
> > > coal booster," Obama said in the San Francisco Chronicle interview.
> > > "What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as an
> > > ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use
> > > coal in a clean way, we should pursue it."
>
> > > The senior vice president of the West Virginia Coal Association called
> > > Obama's comments "unbelievable."
>
> > > "His comments are unfortunate," Chris Hamilton said Sunday, "and
> > > really reflect a very uninformed voice and perspective to coal
> > > specifically and energy generally."
>
> > > Hamilton noted other times Obama and vice presidential candidate Joe
> > > Biden have made seemingly anti-coal statements.
>
> > > "In Ohio recently, when Joe Biden said 'not here' about building coal-
> > > fired power plants -- this is exactly what will happen," Hamilton
> > > said. "Financing won't be directed here. It will all go aboard for
> > > plants elsewhere in the world. The United Sates is importing more coal
> > > today from Indonesia, South Africa and C

Re: America's tombstone

[WarpTen]

Please Mark!  Get over your deep seated insensitivity towards growth.
The majority of the nation is open minded and they have spoken in
unison.

Your Smear Campaign in OVER!!  Give it up and start become a part of
the solution instead of insisting on being a part of the obstacle.

Our Country has Grown and it is time for You to Grow!

Move forward in progress and don't regress!

Overcome yourself Mark!

If you have it in you.

I know you do.

You Can!

Do it!

Yes!

On Nov 5, 5:28 pm, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Born July 4, 1776
>
> Died Nov 4, 2008
>
> cause of death: suicide
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Re: Coal official calls Obama comments 'unbelievable'

[WarpTen]

If it was worth commenting on, others would have addressed it, however
the piece is ridiculous and only serves to put a negative shadow on
Obama.
Our New President of the United States!
Your smear campaign has come to an end!  Your pointless points have
fallen into the toilet and were flushed!
Bush and Chaney are on death row!
Party January 20th!!
Good Riddance Bush Chaney Scumbags!
The World Rejoices in the fact that America has grown!

On Nov 3, 7:41 am, fedup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It takes a real puny little mind to insult rather than make a viable
> point.
>
> On Nov 3, 6:57 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Everyone is entitled to their puny little mind's opinion.
>
> > On Nov 3, 5:47 am, fedup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > CHARLESTON - At least one state coal industry leader said he was
> > > shocked by comments Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama
> > > made earlier this year concerning his plan to aggressively charge
> > > polluters for carbon and greenhouse gas emissions.
>
> > > "What I've said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place
> > > that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else's out
> > > there," Obama said in a Jan. 17 interview with the San Francisco
> > > Chronicle that was made public today first on the Web site
> > > newsbusters.org, which calls itself "the leader in documenting,
> > > exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias." The story later was
> > > linked on The Drudge Report.
>
> > > An audio excerpt from the interview can be found at YouTube.
>
> > > "I was the first to call for a 100 percent auction on the cap and
> > > trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse
> > > gases emitted would be charged to the polluter," Obama continued.
> > > "That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out
> > > there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being
> > > built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the
> > > ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.
>
> > > "So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's
> > > just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a
> > > huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."
>
> > > Calls and e-mails to West Virginia Obama campaign officials seeking
> > > comment for this story were not returned as of Sunday evening.
>
> > > According to the West Virginia Office of Miners' Health, Safety and
> > > Training, the coal industry provides about 40,000 direct jobs in the
> > > state, including those for miners, mine contractors, coal preparation
> > > plant employees and mine supply company workers.
>
> > > West Virginia is the second largest coal-producing state in the
> > > country behind Wyoming and accounts for about 15 percent of all coal
> > > production in the United States. The Mountain State leads the nation
> > > in underground coal production and leads the nation in coal exports
> > > with over 50 million tons shipped to 23 countries. West Virginia
> > > accounts for about half of U.S. coal exports.
>
> > > In addition, the coal industry pays about $70 million in property
> > > taxes in the state annually, and the Coal Severance Tax adds about
> > > $214 million into West Virginia's economy. The coal industry payroll
> > > in the state is nearly $2 billion per year, and coal is responsible
> > > for more than $3.5 billion annually in the gross state product.
>
> > > "The only thing I've said with respect to coal, I haven't been some
> > > coal booster," Obama said in the San Francisco Chronicle interview.
> > > "What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as an
> > > ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use
> > > coal in a clean way, we should pursue it."
>
> > > The senior vice president of the West Virginia Coal Association called
> > > Obama's comments "unbelievable."
>
> > > "His comments are unfortunate," Chris Hamilton said Sunday, "and
> > > really reflect a very uninformed voice and perspective to coal
> > > specifically and energy generally."
>
> > > Hamilton noted other times Obama and vice presidential candidate Joe
> > > Biden have made seemingly anti-coal statements.
&g

Re: Obama Told SF Chronicle He Would 'Bankrupt' the Coal Industry

[WarpTen]

It is the government's responsibility, after taking our money, to
establish a stable economy for all people, not just those who are in
business, or special interest groups. People should be able to find
employment sufficient enough to provide the basic necessities for the
family. When budget cuts forced school closings around the country,
decent hard working people found themselves out of work and unable to
pay their bills.  This is not lazy looking for a handout people, but
people who take pride in working for a living. Who is responsible for
economic shortfalls?  The politician who claim they are going to fix
it all up and make everything good.  Reality?  Year after year it gets
worse while the financial portfolios grow larger for those at the top
of the food chain. This recent bail out is a perfect example as the
people get shafted with 800 billion in debt so irresponsible
executives can walk away with millions of dollars in their pockets.
What is wrong with the picture? You tell me!

If you turned over your paycheck every week to your wife with the
belief that she was going to take care of all the bills and provide
all the provisions necessary for the home only to find one day that
some of the services are getting turned off because she decided one
day to go on a shopping spree, what would you do? Nothing?  Suck it up
and hope that she gets it better next month?  Listen to others that
say they will take your pay check and make it work for you and then
dig you deeper in the muck? It's time to put an end to irresponsible
government, period. Take a good look back just recently and see how
Bush and Chaney really helped us all out.


On Nov 5, 8:29 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "The fact is
> there are more people homeless now due to the foreclosure crisis
> brought on by bad government policies. People "are" lacking shelter
> in
> the US, stop deluding yourself. Thousands of children go to bed
> without dinner every night and thousands more are nutritionally
> deficient."
>
> I don't dispute the above; I dispute whose fault it is.  Are you
> claiming it's the govt's responsibility to see that children got to be
> each night only after they've had dinner?  That their meals are
> nutritionally sufficient?
>
> Already many schools, including those here in Dallas, have programs
> pursuant to which kids are sent home on Fridays with backpacks full of
> food for the weekend.  So they can be ensured of having decent meals.
> Is this the govt's duty?  Apparently it's becoming so (though many of
> these programs are funded by private charities).  Is this creating any
> responsibility or independence on the part of the parents?  I would
> argue the exact opposite, more than likely it's giving them the
> opportunity to spend their money on things other then nutritionally
> sufficient meals.
>
> On Nov 5, 8:15 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Your the one that needs to get out of the basement and possibly even
> > out of the closet. I'm approaching 60 years old and have a better
> > grasp as to the reality of poverty in the US than you can imagine.
> > I've seen this country rise and fall throughout the years and can see
> > what government or the lack thereof can do to the economy. The fact is
> > there are more people homeless now due to the foreclosure crisis
> > brought on by bad government policies. People "are" lacking shelter in
> > the US, stop deluding yourself. Thousands of children go to bed
> > without dinner every night and thousands more are nutritionally
> > deficient. Check any poverty stats for a eye opener and get a reality
> > check!  Even Bush recognized these poverty issues!
>
> > On Nov 3, 7:14 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > "People just want the basics not luxury and not handouts.  Every
> > > person
> > > should have food and shelter. Is that too much to ask? "
> > > Every person can have "food and shelter" in the US.  Those that
> > > physically can't work for it are provided for by the govt.  Those that
> > > can work for it should, and if they work hard enough, they might even
> > > get the "luxury" you reference above.
>
> > > Get out of your parents' basement for a few hours and look around.  No
> > > one is starving in the US.  No one is lacking shelter in the US.
>
> > > On Nov 3, 6:23 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > The money comes from the people dummy!  The problem is that after
> > > > giving away most of their money to the government and the rest to
> > > > business (so that CEO's c

Re: Obama Told SF Chronicle He Would 'Bankrupt' the Coal Industry

[WarpTen]

Your the one that needs to get out of the basement and possibly even
out of the closet. I'm approaching 60 years old and have a better
grasp as to the reality of poverty in the US than you can imagine.
I've seen this country rise and fall throughout the years and can see
what government or the lack thereof can do to the economy. The fact is
there are more people homeless now due to the foreclosure crisis
brought on by bad government policies. People "are" lacking shelter in
the US, stop deluding yourself. Thousands of children go to bed
without dinner every night and thousands more are nutritionally
deficient. Check any poverty stats for a eye opener and get a reality
check!  Even Bush recognized these poverty issues!

On Nov 3, 7:14 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "People just want the basics not luxury and not handouts.  Every
> person
> should have food and shelter. Is that too much to ask? "
> Every person can have "food and shelter" in the US.  Those that
> physically can't work for it are provided for by the govt.  Those that
> can work for it should, and if they work hard enough, they might even
> get the "luxury" you reference above.
>
> Get out of your parents' basement for a few hours and look around.  No
> one is starving in the US.  No one is lacking shelter in the US.
>
> On Nov 3, 6:23 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The money comes from the people dummy!  The problem is that after
> > giving away most of their money to the government and the rest to
> > business (so that CEO's can earn Millions) there is nothing left and
> > then of course they are wondering where they are going to get money to
> > feed their children. You are a capitalistic pig Kay!
>
> > People just want the basics not luxury and not handouts.  Every person
> > should have food and shelter. Is that too much to ask?
>
> > On Nov 3, 12:36 am, Kay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Oh, people voting for him just don't care - - they do not understand
> > > how business works and what makes this country run.
>
> > > What they care about is handouts for themselves and no thought of
> > > where the money will come from.
>
> > > I heard a woman on the radio a couple of days ago saying she is voting
> > > for Obama "cause then I doan need to warry bout how I will fill up my
> > > gas tank, I woan need to warry bout how I'm gonna pay my bills, I woan
> > > warry bout losin' my job cause Barack he gonna take care of me."
>
> > > Soo..that's just great, ain't it?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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Re: Obama Told SF Chronicle He Would 'Bankrupt' the Coal Industry

[WarpTen]

You must be desperate!

On Nov 2, 6:40 pm, "d.b.baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (Please read update about the San Francisco Chronicle neglecting to
> mention Obama's willingness to bankrupt the coal industry at bottom of
> this blog.)
>
> [Q] - Imagine if John McCain had whispered somewhere that he was
> willing to bankrupt a major industry? Would this declaration not
> immediately be front page news? Well, Barack Obama actually flat out
> told the San Francisco Chronicle (SF Gate) that he was willing to see
> the coal industry go bankrupt in a January 17, 2008 interview. The
> result? Nothing. This audio interview has been hidden from the
> public...until now. Here is the transcript of Obama's statement about
> bankrupting the coal industry (emphasis mine):
>
>      Let me sort of describe my overall policy.
>
>     What I've said is that we would put a cap and trade system in
> place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody
> else's out there.
>
>     I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade
> system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases
> emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in
> which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented,
> whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to
> meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are
> being placed, imposed every year.
>
>     So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's
> just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a
> huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted. 
> -http://media.newsbusters.org/stories/hidden-audio-obama-tells-sf-chro...
>
> Hear his words, and if you still believe you're worthless - vote for
> Obama.
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Re: Obama Told SF Chronicle He Would 'Bankrupt' the Coal Industry

[WarpTen]

The money comes from the people dummy!  The problem is that after
giving away most of their money to the government and the rest to
business (so that CEO's can earn Millions) there is nothing left and
then of course they are wondering where they are going to get money to
feed their children. You are a capitalistic pig Kay!

People just want the basics not luxury and not handouts.  Every person
should have food and shelter. Is that too much to ask?





On Nov 3, 12:36 am, Kay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh, people voting for him just don't care - - they do not understand
> how business works and what makes this country run.
>
> What they care about is handouts for themselves and no thought of
> where the money will come from.
>
> I heard a woman on the radio a couple of days ago saying she is voting
> for Obama "cause then I doan need to warry bout how I will fill up my
> gas tank, I woan need to warry bout how I'm gonna pay my bills, I woan
> warry bout losin' my job cause Barack he gonna take care of me."
>
> Soo..that's just great, ain't it?
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Re: Should McCain Have Been Expelled From the Senate?

[WarpTen]

Me? Free handouts?

It's the opposite in my world dude!  I've given more handouts than you
can imagine.

Obviously you have personal influence that has affected your personal
judgment in the political arena, and I understand that.  But politics
is not about your micro world it is about global.

So ditch the hatred and get a clearer view of what it's all about
before we wind up with another Bush term.

Obama is harmless!

On Nov 3, 5:57 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> since you want to get free handouts from the government, why don't you
> move to cuba?  they have the same system you want to live under.  bye
> bye.
>
> On Nov 3, 6:52 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Are you kidding? McCain should be Euthanized!
>
> > All Republicans should be jailed for racketeering!
>
> > The dangerous threesome?  Try Bush, Chaney, McCain!
>
> > The world hates Bush, Chaney and McCain and we are never going to
> > accomplish anything on a global scale with creepy people like that
> > representing the country.
>
> > Ralph Nader is the ticket!!! LOL
>
> > Really though, McCain is the old traditional politician in a New Age
> > political world.  What are you people thinking?
>
> > On Nov 3, 5:39 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > your boy and clinton attorney, bob bennet, was the senate
> > > investigator.  he told the dems McCain did nothing wrong, and should
> > > not be implicated.  the dems on the committee said since all the
> > > suspects were dems, they needed a republican scape goat, McCain.
> > > you want integrity and honesty, then all those dems who drug an
> > > innocent man into a dem scandal should be thrown out of congress and
> > > in jail, right murky?
>
> > > On Nov 3, 6:21 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > you don't honesty and integrity in government ?
>
> > > > On Nov 3, 6:20 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > God murky, give it a rest.  if this old, settled topic is all you got,
> > > > > go back to bed and wait on the welfare check.
>
> > > > > On Nov 3, 5:40 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > Should McCain Have Been Expelled From the 
> > > > > > Senate?http://www.truthout.org/110208Z
> > > > > > Sahil Mahtani, The New Republic: "One day in early March 1986, John
> > > > > > McCain, an Arizona congressman, sat down to write a letter. McCain
> > > > > > had
> > > > > > heard that a long-time friend and donor, Charles Keating, was upset
> > > > > > for being listed as a member of McCain's campaign finance committee
> > > > > > when a more prominent position would seem more appropriate. So 
> > > > > > McCain
> > > > > > apologized. Needlessly it turned out, for 'Charlie,' as he signed 
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > letter, would reply a few days later: 'John, don't be silly. You can
> > > > > > call me anything ... I'm yours until death do us part.'"- Hide 
> > > > > > quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
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Re: Progressive Paper Gives Addresses of Republican Houses to Be Vandalized

[WarpTen]

It is not about party right now, it is only about issues.

That is why Obama is gaining because people realize that party
politics is bullshit.

On Nov 3, 5:59 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> it is buushit.  that is why the sorry loonie left is doing it.
>
> On Nov 3, 6:56 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Get a life!  This is sheer bullshit!!
>
> > On Nov 3, 5:50 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Halloween isn't all about treats. There are also tricks — that is,
> > > vandalism. Seattle's progressive The Stranger helpfully instructs its
> > > moonbat readership on where this should take place, providing pictures
> > > of area houses with McCain and/or GOP gubernatorial candidate Dino
> > > Rossi yard signs, along with their addresses in prominent type.
>
> > > If these houses happen get trashed, it's no worse than the owners
> > > deserve for failing to follow The One. Welcome to the political
> > > landscape of Obama Nation.
>
> > > The article even quotes Edmund Burke:
>
> > >     No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of
> > > acting and reasoning as fear.
>
> > > This is why liberals have deliberately created a climate in which
> > > people don't dare express public support for Republicans, lest their
> > > cars get keyed or their houses firebombed.
>
> > >http://www.moonbattery.com/
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Re: Obama's Gestapo

[WarpTen]

Marxist agenda? Get a life Mark!
Our Armed Forces are going to "Fire on Us?" on order from this "Punk?"

Mark, listen carefully,  Put down the crack pipe and back away slowly.
Ok good!  Now go take a cold shower and go to bed!

You must be totally out of your mind!




On Nov 3, 5:47 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What will happen when The One pushes his Marxist agenda to the point
> that those of us who are still Americans balk? Will our armed forces
> fire on us on orders from this punk, in the interests of imposing the
> same ideology our military was intended to stave off? Obama isn't
> counting on it. As mentioned earlier, the Moonbat Messiah has
> proclaimed:
>
>     We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to
> achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to
> have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just
> as strong, just as well-funded.
>
> We're talking about a "civilian national security force" with an
> annual budget of $439 billion. If you have anything negative to say
> about socialism or the global warming hoax, you'd better get it out of
> your system before this American version of the Gestapo is created,
> because it will certainly have the resources to discover your errant
> opinions and readjust them as The One and his friends deem necessary.
>
> No wonder the income level defining Obama's intended victims as "the
> rich" keeps plummeting. To pay for this internal army, he'll have to
> loot everyone down to children running lemonade stands. No doubt he'll
> make up some of the costs by pulling the plug on the military, which
> might have incorrect notions about serving the country and the
> Constitution, rather than serving The One and Change. Besides, posse
> comitatus forbids the use of the military to enforce laws within the
> borders — and the sort of Change Obama has in mind will require a
> whole lot of enforcement.
>
> As Alan Caruba observes,
>
>     There is absolutely NO need for a homeland security force. We have
> the Federal Bureau of Investigation that has a long and distinguished
> history of obedience to the U.S. Constitution and respect for the rule
> of law. We have a huge law enforcement community that is likewise
> pledged to the rule of law. We have a Central Intelligence Agency and
> a National Security Agency, both defending against foreign enemies.
> Nothing Obama proposes is more dangerous to the comity of the nation
> than a National Civilian Security Force.
>
> He should have said, there is absolutely no LEGITIMATE need.
>
> http://www.moonbattery.com/
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Re: Coal official calls Obama comments 'unbelievable'

[WarpTen]

Everyone is entitled to their puny little mind's opinion.

On Nov 3, 5:47 am, fedup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> CHARLESTON - At least one state coal industry leader said he was
> shocked by comments Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama
> made earlier this year concerning his plan to aggressively charge
> polluters for carbon and greenhouse gas emissions.
>
> "What I've said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place
> that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else's out
> there," Obama said in a Jan. 17 interview with the San Francisco
> Chronicle that was made public today first on the Web site
> newsbusters.org, which calls itself "the leader in documenting,
> exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias." The story later was
> linked on The Drudge Report.
>
> An audio excerpt from the interview can be found at YouTube.
>
> "I was the first to call for a 100 percent auction on the cap and
> trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse
> gases emitted would be charged to the polluter," Obama continued.
> "That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out
> there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being
> built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the
> ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.
>
> "So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's
> just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a
> huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."
>
> Calls and e-mails to West Virginia Obama campaign officials seeking
> comment for this story were not returned as of Sunday evening.
>
> According to the West Virginia Office of Miners' Health, Safety and
> Training, the coal industry provides about 40,000 direct jobs in the
> state, including those for miners, mine contractors, coal preparation
> plant employees and mine supply company workers.
>
> West Virginia is the second largest coal-producing state in the
> country behind Wyoming and accounts for about 15 percent of all coal
> production in the United States. The Mountain State leads the nation
> in underground coal production and leads the nation in coal exports
> with over 50 million tons shipped to 23 countries. West Virginia
> accounts for about half of U.S. coal exports.
>
> In addition, the coal industry pays about $70 million in property
> taxes in the state annually, and the Coal Severance Tax adds about
> $214 million into West Virginia's economy. The coal industry payroll
> in the state is nearly $2 billion per year, and coal is responsible
> for more than $3.5 billion annually in the gross state product.
>
> "The only thing I've said with respect to coal, I haven't been some
> coal booster," Obama said in the San Francisco Chronicle interview.
> "What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as an
> ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use
> coal in a clean way, we should pursue it."
>
> The senior vice president of the West Virginia Coal Association called
> Obama's comments "unbelievable."
>
> "His comments are unfortunate," Chris Hamilton said Sunday, "and
> really reflect a very uninformed voice and perspective to coal
> specifically and energy generally."
>
> Hamilton noted other times Obama and vice presidential candidate Joe
> Biden have made seemingly anti-coal statements.
>
> "In Ohio recently, when Joe Biden said 'not here' about building coal-
> fired power plants -- this is exactly what will happen," Hamilton
> said. "Financing won't be directed here. It will all go aboard for
> plants elsewhere in the world. The United Sates is importing more coal
> today from Indonesia, South Africa and Colombia than we ever have.
>
> "If we're going to create a situation where coal-fired power plants
> are at that much of a disadvantage, there will be new ones built. But
> as Biden said, just not here."
>
> Republican presidential candidate John McCain's state director said
> Obama's statements are troubling, especially for West Virginians.
>
> "I think this clearly shows the attitude the Obama-Biden ticket has
> toward coal," Ben Beakes said Sunday. "Rhetoric is cheap, but behind
> closed doors what they tell their supporters - that's what we have to
> take as gospel.
>
> "They're definitely not friends of coal."
>
> Beakes noted other examples of Obama and Biden making seemingly anti-
> coal statements, such as in February when Obama said he'd like to tax
> "dirty energy" such as coal and natural gas.
>
> "And their cohorts in Congress make similar statements," Beakes said.
> "(Senate Majority Leader) Harry Reid (D-Nevada) said this summer that
> 'coal makes us sick.'
>
> "This is an attitude and view that, to me, shows their hatred of coal.
> And therefore, their view would cost West Virginians thousands upon
> thousands of jobs."
>
> Beakes touted McCain's view toward coal.
>
> "John McCain has embraced coal,

Re: Progressive Paper Gives Addresses of Republican Houses to Be Vandalized

[WarpTen]

Get a life!  This is sheer bullshit!!

On Nov 3, 5:50 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Halloween isn't all about treats. There are also tricks — that is,
> vandalism. Seattle's progressive The Stranger helpfully instructs its
> moonbat readership on where this should take place, providing pictures
> of area houses with McCain and/or GOP gubernatorial candidate Dino
> Rossi yard signs, along with their addresses in prominent type.
>
> If these houses happen get trashed, it's no worse than the owners
> deserve for failing to follow The One. Welcome to the political
> landscape of Obama Nation.
>
> The article even quotes Edmund Burke:
>
>     No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of
> acting and reasoning as fear.
>
> This is why liberals have deliberately created a climate in which
> people don't dare express public support for Republicans, lest their
> cars get keyed or their houses firebombed.
>
> http://www.moonbattery.com/
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Re: Should McCain Have Been Expelled From the Senate?

[WarpTen]

Are you kidding? McCain should be Euthanized!

All Republicans should be jailed for racketeering!

The dangerous threesome?  Try Bush, Chaney, McCain!

The world hates Bush, Chaney and McCain and we are never going to
accomplish anything on a global scale with creepy people like that
representing the country.

Ralph Nader is the ticket!!! LOL

Really though, McCain is the old traditional politician in a New Age
political world.  What are you people thinking?



On Nov 3, 5:39 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> your boy and clinton attorney, bob bennet, was the senate
> investigator.  he told the dems McCain did nothing wrong, and should
> not be implicated.  the dems on the committee said since all the
> suspects were dems, they needed a republican scape goat, McCain.
> you want integrity and honesty, then all those dems who drug an
> innocent man into a dem scandal should be thrown out of congress and
> in jail, right murky?
>
> On Nov 3, 6:21 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > you don't honesty and integrity in government ?
>
> > On Nov 3, 6:20 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > God murky, give it a rest.  if this old, settled topic is all you got,
> > > go back to bed and wait on the welfare check.
>
> > > On Nov 3, 5:40 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Should McCain Have Been Expelled From the 
> > > > Senate?http://www.truthout.org/110208Z
> > > > Sahil Mahtani, The New Republic: "One day in early March 1986, John
> > > > McCain, an Arizona congressman, sat down to write a letter. McCain
> > > > had
> > > > heard that a long-time friend and donor, Charles Keating, was upset
> > > > for being listed as a member of McCain's campaign finance committee
> > > > when a more prominent position would seem more appropriate. So McCain
> > > > apologized. Needlessly it turned out, for 'Charlie,' as he signed his
> > > > letter, would reply a few days later: 'John, don't be silly. You can
> > > > call me anything ... I'm yours until death do us part.'"- Hide quoted 
> > > > text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
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Re: ZOGBY: McCain +1

[WarpTen]

Completely mistaken!

On Nov 2, 7:49 pm, "d.b.baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 2, 8:37 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I'd volunteer to have a discussion with the Taliban before I would
> > vote for Lame McCain and Sorry Palin... Put your personal ideologies 
> > aside...
>
> Unless I'm completely mistaken, you just contradicted yourself.
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Re: ZOGBY: McCain +1

[WarpTen]

I'd volunteer to have a discussion with the Taliban before I would
vote for Lame McCain and Sorry Palin.

At least they are worth the laugh they received on SNL.

We can't vote party right now because the party is in Shambles!

You groupies need to realize that it is not in the best interest of
the country to vote Republican right now.

Put your personal ideologies aside and realize that you have been
ripped off by your leaders, the people you put into office that really
don't care whether you drop dead or not, don't care if your mother is
dying of cancer, don't care if your 90 year old grandmother's house is
under foreclosure.

I vote for me, yours truly!

On Nov 2, 7:19 pm, "d.b.baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 2, 8:08 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > That's because Republicans are in a quandary of confusion based on the
> > fact that what they thought was valid for so many years is proving to
> > be a nightmare that they are responsible for. They created the
> > nightmare in which we are living in.
>
> The point of the election is to solve the problem - by voting for
> McCain (Palin), and voting out every last incumbent.
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Re: ZOGBY: McCain +1

[WarpTen]

That's because Republicans are in a quandary of confusion based on the
fact that what they thought was valid for so many years is proving to
be a nightmare that they are responsible for. They created the
nightmare in which we are living in.

On Nov 2, 6:30 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 2, 4:25 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Zogby isn't that the poll of early voters that have already cast
> > "mostly" republican votes in this election??
>
> Funny...
>
> Most State Polls show the Democrats turning out in higher numbers than
> Republicans.
>
> In some States, it is by double digits.
>
> And yet no like result in the actual Polling.
>
> Imagine that.
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Re: ZOGBY: McCain +1

[WarpTen]

The Republican Party (literally they had a party) Ruined everything
and because the Democrats had a 2 year advantage at the END of it all
the Republicans are trying to use them as the scapegoat. It is so
obvious that I can't believe people are so stupid to believe
otherwise.


On Oct 31, 9:05 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Did you note more people are hitting Drudge than the NYTimes?// I just
> hope if Obama does happen to win he will not have a MANDATE to rule us
> into further ruin.
>
> On Oct 31, 9:53 pm, "d.b.baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hope McCain isn't peaking too early;)http://drudgereport.com/
>
> > "ZOGBY SATURDAY: McCain outpolled Obama 48% to 47% in Friday, one day,
> > polling. He is beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents,
> > is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead
> > among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR
> > voters. Joe the Plumber may get his license after all."
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Re: A message to Obama from a small business owner

[WarpTen]

It's worse than that as it is an infringement on our right of free
speech.  Just the first half of the phrase "politically" is enough to
tell me that it is something coming from somewhere I don't want to be
bothered by. Government is getting too much into our face, telling us
how to raise our children, how to talk, and other nonsensical
bullshit. It's big brother larger than ever before in history and more
intrusive than ever before.  You do know about the spying that was
done by ATT for the NSA, right?
One of the many websites on the matter..http://
www.boingboing.net/2006/01/31/eff-suing-att-for-he.html
The problem is that government has become a separate, independent
agency and is no longer by the people, of the people or for the
people.  Sure they purport to have concern for the people but that is
only because the people are the life blood of their existence. When
they talk about jobs they are really talking about the taxes they are
going to collect on those jobs. Taxes that afford them to do whatever
they want, including voting themselves raises.



On Nov 2, 6:03 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> PC is a straight-jacket, WarpTen. Powerful stuff. It starts wars,
> rearranges society,// Objections break social rules, end friendships
> and lovers. It is a brave heart that would dare to challenge PC. And
> who dares?
>
> On Nov 1, 9:14 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > There was something I wanted to talk about but I'm afraid it would not
> > be politically correct in this forum.
>
> > On Oct 31, 9:25 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Soon, if not now, there will be so many delicate topics that only the
> > > weather will suffice. Mum's the word!
>
> > > On Oct 31, 9:21 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Also sex and class. Now globalized. LOL
>
> > > > On Oct 31, 9:12 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Religion, politics or race.
>
> > > > > On Oct 31, 2:33 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Oct 30, 9:48 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I don't expect to change your mind and you won't change mine 
> > > > > > > which is
> > > > > > > why it has been said "Never discuss Religion or Politics".
>
> > > > > > It isn't you I am trying to convince...
>
> > > > > > It is the intelligent People, who are able to look at the empirical
> > > > > > evidence for themself and make an intelligent decision, that I am
> > > > > > trying to convince.
>
> > > > > > That obviously doesn't include the Loony Liberals around here.- 
> > > > > > Hide quoted text -
>
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>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
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Re: Wall Street’s Great Heist of 2008

[WarpTen]

Republican ideology no doubt and Bush had again aside from all the
other bullshit, duped the people into thinking that this is what we
all needed to do to thwart disaster.

Scum of the earth!

On Nov 1, 4:58 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wall Street’s Great Heist of 2008
> 1st November 2008
>
> The Wall Street Journal published a front-page article Friday
> reporting that the nine biggest US banks, which have received a
> combined $125 billion in taxpayer funds as part of the $700 billion
> bailout authored by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and passed by the
> Democratic Congress, owed their executives more than $40 billion for
> recent years’ compensation and pensions as of the end of 2007.
>
> This means that nearly a third of the public funds given to these
> banks will ultimately be used to increase the private fortunes of a
> handful of multimillionaire Wall Street executives.
>
> This revelation, the result of an analysis of the banks’ corporate
> reports by the American financial elite’s own chief organ, provides a
> stark exposure of the social interests that are being served by the
> government bailout. More generally, it provides an instructive insight
> into class relations in America.
>
> It has already been widely reported that the banks are refusing to use
> their government windfalls to resume lending to other banks,
> businesses and consumers—the ostensible purpose of the cash injections—
> and are, instead, hoarding the money for the purpose of acquiring
> smaller and weaker banks. The so-called economic rescue plan is, in
> fact, a plan to effect a rapid consolidation of the US banking system,
> resulting in the domination of the economy by a few mega-banks, which
> will be free to set interest rates and lending standards as they see
> fit.
>
> Far from opposing this development, Treasury Secretary Paulson and the
> Federal Reserve Board are encouraging it. They deliberately designed
> the bailout to place no restrictions on how the banks use their
> taxpayer money and then enacted changes in the tax code to give banks
> acquiring other banks a huge tax break. (See: “The ‘dirty little
> secret’ of the US bank bailout”)
>
> As the Journal explains, the minimal restrictions on future executive
> compensation stipulated in the bailout bill do not affect deferred
> payments to executives accumulated over previous years. Since such
> deferred payment accounts are commonplace in the banking industry and
> are the preferred means by which top executives build up nest eggs in
> the hundreds of millions of dollars, those who are primarily
> responsible for the financial disaster and, in many cases, the ruin of
> their own companies, will emerge from the crisis richer than ever.
>
> As the Journal puts it: “The deferred-compensation programs for
> executives are like 401(k) plans on steroids.” At some of the banks
> that have received government handouts, the newspaper notes, the total
> amounts previously incurred and owed to their executives exceed what
> they owe in pensions to their entire work forces.
>
> The newspaper notes that at Goldman Sachs, formerly headed by Paulson,
> “the $11.8 billion obligation primarily for deferred executive
> compensation dwarfed the liability for its broad-based pension plan
> for all employees. That was just $399 million.”
>
> Goldman received $10 billion of the $125 billion doled out to the
> biggest banks. JPMorgan Chase, which was granted $25 billion, owes its
> top officers $8.5 billion. Citigroup, another $25 billion recipient,
> owes $5 billion, and Morgan Stanley, which got $10 billion in taxpayer
> money, is in debt to its top executives to the tune of $10 to $12
> billion.
>
> A separate article in the same issue of the Journal amplifies this
> picture of parasitism and criminality. Headlined “Securities Firms
> Tackle Pay Issue,” it deals with discussions among the top executives
> of Wall Street firms such as Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Merrill
> Lynch over the advisability of paring down their traditional
> multimillion-dollar year-end bonuses in the face of growing public
> outrage.
>
> The article notes that since the start of 2002, Goldman Sachs, Morgan
> Stanley, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns have paid a
> total of $312 billion in compensation and benefits. It estimates that
> these firms have also paid out $187 billion in bonuses, for a grand
> total of $499 billion. Much of this staggering sum—more than five-and-
> a-half times the total income of the firms—has gone to the top echelon
> of executives.
>
> The latter three firms have either disappeared or are in the process
> of being taken over. Bear Stearns was bought out by JPMorgan Chase
> last March in a deal subsidized by the government in the amount of $29
> billion; Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy in September, and
> Merrill Lynch has agreed to sell itself to Bank of America in a
> government-brokered agreement.
>
> While the bank exec

Re: the brainwashing continues: School Clams Up on 'Gay' Pledge Cards Given to Kindergartners

[WarpTen]

This is outrageous news. Children in kindergarten shouldn't be having
to discuss or be party of anything like that. The teacher should be
suspended at the least. It is so wrong I find it hard to believe its a
real story but people sure do some weird things.

On Nov 1, 3:57 pm, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  A California school system refuses to say what action, if any, it
> will take after it received complaints about a kindergarten teacher
> who encouraged her students to sign "pledge cards" in support of gays.
>
> During a celebration of National Ally Week, Tara Miller, a teacher at
> the Faith Ringgold School of Arts and Science in Hayward, Calif.,
> passed out cards produced by the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education
> Network to her class of kindergartners.
>
> The cards asked signers to be "an ally" and to pledge to "not use anti-
> LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) language or slurs;
> intervene, when I feel I can, in situations where others are using
> anti-LGBT language or harassing other students and actively support
> safer schools efforts."
>
> The school has acknowledged that the exercise was not appropriate for
> kindergartners.
>
> Parent Adela Voelker, who declined to be interviewed in depth for this
> report, said she was furious when she found her child's signature on
> one of the cards. She said she contacted a non-profit legal defense
> organization specializing in parents' rights.
>
> Meanwhile, a school board member, Jeff Cook, says some type of action
> should be taken.
>
> "We have a general rule that all instruction should be age
> appropriate, and this clearly was not," said Cook, who has served on
> the school board for five years.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445865,00.html
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Re: A message to Obama from a small business owner

[WarpTen]

There was something I wanted to talk about but I'm afraid it would not
be politically correct in this forum.

On Oct 31, 9:25 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Soon, if not now, there will be so many delicate topics that only the
> weather will suffice. Mum's the word!
>
> On Oct 31, 9:21 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Also sex and class. Now globalized. LOL
>
> > On Oct 31, 9:12 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Religion, politics or race.
>
> > > On Oct 31, 2:33 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 30, 9:48 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I don't expect to change your mind and you won't change mine which is
> > > > > why it has been said "Never discuss Religion or Politics".
>
> > > > It isn't you I am trying to convince...
>
> > > > It is the intelligent People, who are able to look at the empirical
> > > > evidence for themself and make an intelligent decision, that I am
> > > > trying to convince.
>
> > > > That obviously doesn't include the Loony Liberals around here.- Hide 
> > > > quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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Re: I am off to work

[WarpTen]

Perhaps there is an issue in which we both can agree on entirely!
Bravo!

On Oct 31, 10:08 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And our government is giving people fish with dead eyes and a stench.
> Don't blame the fish. They must live their lives in evermore polluted
> streams, rivers and oceans.
>
> On Oct 31, 10:02 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Travis,
>
> > Work is for people who do not know how to fish.
>
> > On Oct 31, 9:16 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Work is an honorable pasttime.
>
> > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:08 PM, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > This was also an ideal transported from Europe- mostly Protestant.
>
> > > > On Oct 31, 6:31 am, margareth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > There are people who grow up with a lot of second had experience of
> > > > > what living beyond ones means really means. These people want only
> > > > > minimal connection with loans and mortgages for that very reason.
> > > > > They are less impressed with getting a fancy car, or a monster home,
> > > > > that takes all their spare time to keeping it clean. Those who work at
> > > > > the week end instead of going to the cottage that they cannot afford,
> > > > > and getting plastered with alcohol and drugs, may just get two
> > > > > benefits. When they work overtime, they make extra money. If they put
> > > > > it into investments, the money is also sent out to work, and earn even
> > > > > more money. The sem people pay off their bills and mortgages, and
> > > > > wear less fashionable clothing, and drive an older vehicle, some even
> > > > > get their exercise by walking to the corner store, when they need just
> > > > > a little bit of food. They stay at home, and cook their own meals.
> > > > > and when they go to work, they carry a lunch box, and make their own
> > > > > coffee. Eventually they end up rich.
> > > > > Because they don't dress fancy, and they don't look affluent, the
> > > > > muggers leave them alsone too. They move on to those whose money is
> > > > > falling out of their pockets. Then their neighbours get jealous,
> > > > > because they do not suffer as much when there is a financial
> > > > > calamity.
>
> > > > > On Oct 31, 2:27 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > So you say...
>
> > > > > > On Oct 30, 9:56 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Delusional at best!
>
> > > > > > > On Oct 29, 6:57 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > The Wealthy use their Wealth to work for them...
>
> > > > > > > > That provides Jobs for people who haven't Learned to use their
> > > > Wealth
> > > > > > > > to their advantage.
>
> > > > > > > > On Oct 29, 4:54 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Please Mark, get a real grip and face the fact that the 
> > > > > > > > > deadbeats
> > > > you
> > > > > > > > > support are the political fat cats in Washington who take the
> > > > cream
> > > > > > > > > off the top of the trillions of dollars that people like you 
> > > > > > > > > pay
> > > > into
> > > > > > > > > the government coffers.
> > > > > > > > > Do you know what political salaries are?
> > > > > > > > > Pork Barrel spending?
> > > > > > > > > Ear Marks?
> > > > > > > > > Cronyism?
> > > > > > > > > Nepotism?
> > > > > > > > > The wealthy work the system and reap more rewards than any 
> > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > segment of society!
> > > > > > > > > The wealthy work the system and reap more rewards than any 
> > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > segment of society!
> > > > > > > > > The wealthy work the system and reap more rewards than any 
> > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > &g

Re: I am off to work

[WarpTen]

Its environmental rape to say the least.

On Nov 1, 9:47 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Deep sea dredging is the worst sin of all. Don't forget Japan and
> Europe.
>
> On Nov 1, 7:27 am, margareth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > There has long been an area in Lake Ontario, where there is a derby.
> > They can prove that any specimen was not caught there, if they DON"T
> > have cancer. Many who grew up learning to be fishermen, are now
> > working on hte Alberta oil rigsThe Russians and Portuguese, and
> > the Americans ( to name just a few) came and took all the fish.
>
> > On Nov 1, 12:00 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > rigs,
>
> > > Good, your an environmentalist. Glad to hear it.
>
> > > On Oct 31, 10:08 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > And our government is giving people fish with dead eyes and a stench.
> > > > Don't blame the fish. They must live their lives in evermore polluted
> > > > streams, rivers and oceans.
>
> > > > On Oct 31, 10:02 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Travis,
>
> > > > > Work is for people who do not know how to fish.
>
> > > > > On Oct 31, 9:16 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Work is an honorable pasttime.
>
> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:08 PM, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > This was also an ideal transported from Europe- mostly Protestant.
>
> > > > > > > On Oct 31, 6:31 am, margareth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > There are people who grow up with a lot of second had 
> > > > > > > > experience of
> > > > > > > > what living beyond ones means really means. These people want 
> > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > minimal connection with loans and mortgages for that very 
> > > > > > > > reason.
> > > > > > > > They are less impressed with getting a fancy car, or a monster 
> > > > > > > > home,
> > > > > > > > that takes all their spare time to keeping it clean. Those who 
> > > > > > > > work at
> > > > > > > > the week end instead of going to the cottage that they cannot 
> > > > > > > > afford,
> > > > > > > > and getting plastered with alcohol and drugs, may just get two
> > > > > > > > benefits. When they work overtime, they make extra money. If 
> > > > > > > > they put
> > > > > > > > it into investments, the money is also sent out to work, and 
> > > > > > > > earn even
> > > > > > > > more money. The sem people pay off their bills and mortgages, 
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > wear less fashionable clothing, and drive an older vehicle, 
> > > > > > > > some even
> > > > > > > > get their exercise by walking to the corner store, when they 
> > > > > > > > need just
> > > > > > > > a little bit of food. They stay at home, and cook their own 
> > > > > > > > meals.
> > > > > > > > and when they go to work, they carry a lunch box, and make 
> > > > > > > > their own
> > > > > > > > coffee. Eventually they end up rich.
> > > > > > > > Because they don't dress fancy, and they don't look affluent, 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > muggers leave them alsone too. They move on to those whose 
> > > > > > > > money is
> > > > > > > > falling out of their pockets. Then their neighbours get jealous,
> > > > > > > > because they do not suffer as much when there is a financial
> > > > > > > > calamity.
>
> > > > > > > > On Oct 31, 2:27 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > So you say...
>
> > > > > > > > > On Oct 30, 9:56 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Delusional at best!
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Oct 29, 6:57 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>

Re: America; epilogue

[WarpTen]

I would agree that there are segments of the globe that are festering
cauldrons of turmoil nearing the point of all out warfare.
Considering that we are grounded economically by the military
industrial machine, I would venture to guess that it will be a good
thing for some people. We either need to initiate a war or get
involved in some other country's dilemma.  Iraq of course seems
totally based on big oil interests as it gained priority status over
other horrifying occurrences like that in Dafur, Sudan and other
genocidal regions of the world. Too bad they didn't have any oil.

On Oct 29, 9:22 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wait and see.
>
> On Oct 29, 9:18 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > rigs,
>
> > And that has exactly what to do with this thread subject?
>
> > On Oct 29, 8:43 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > War is war. Ready for Afghanistan and Pakistan?
>
> > > On Oct 29, 8:38 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > He obviously has his own agenda, that being to make sure that he pumps
> > > > up his own ego long enough to camouflage his lagging self discontent.
> > > > Once he inflates his persona to the point of elevating himself above
> > > > and beyond the general citizenry he can begin to flagellate the
> > > > opposition leaving the readership in a quandary of interpretation
> > > > dilemma due to the overly semantic wordiness. While I'm very capable
> > > > of intellectual discourse on that level, I find attempting to make
> > > > points upon common ground is highly effective in contrast to that of
> > > > lofty literary lingo. Bullshit is bullshit no matter how you express
> > > > it.  Si Senor?
>
> > > > On Oct 29, 6:15 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Warp,
>
> > > > > Oh, Jim has calmed down considerably. He used to go on and on and on
> > > > > about his "giant brain" and how blessed and lucky we all were that he
> > > > > would choose to share his literary skill and genius with us. This
> > > > > would go on for a couple of paragraphs before he would even begin to
> > > > > get to the point of his post. The guy is hysterical, fun to read. I've
> > > > > no idea if anyone actually takes him seriously.
>
> > > > > On Oct 29, 6:01 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > That's what was identified the minute I read it!
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > Some people just get more into themselves than the actual issues on
> > > > > > which they want to attempt intellectual discourse.
> > > > > > If they would just drop the egoism they might make sense.
> > > > > > Highly unlikely but nevertheless a better path.
>
> > > > > > On Oct 27, 10:49 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > WarpTen,
>
> > > > > > > Old Jim is very good at long-winded and flowery claptrap.
>
> > > > > > > On Oct 27, 9:12 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > It was all very colorful and flowery in expression but to imply
> > > > > > > > socialism to the candidacy is a stretch of the imagination and 
> > > > > > > > loaded
> > > > > > > > with innuendo.  Obviously the majority of initial candidacy 
> > > > > > > > choices
> > > > > > > > were totally abandoned and now we have a paltry choice, typical 
> > > > > > > > of any
> > > > > > > > election year, Republican or Democrat.   All the other 
> > > > > > > > candidates fell
> > > > > > > > to the wayside (let's for arguments sake disregard Nader and the
> > > > > > > > other) and so we have to choose from that which has slipped 
> > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > the cracks.  One is old and lame with a dipsy airhead running 
> > > > > > > > mate and
> > > > > > > > the other is a cocky arrogant uppity with a running mate who 
> > > > > > > > runs the
> > > > > > > > mouth ahead of the brain. All in all the bottom line is 
> > > > > > > > rebuilding the
> > > > > > > > nation wi

Re: A message to Obama from a small business owner

[WarpTen]

You have a way of distorting reality for the sake of supporting your
rationale.

It is corporate welfare. What is there not to see?

Empirical evidence?  lol

It's not about political labeling but more about governmental
inefficacy. There is not one political party that has set this country
firmly on its feet with a equitable standard of living for all.  With
deregulation, subprime mortgage, bogus WMD's, and the like we have to
ask; "Is anyone in charge?".
What are these idiots doing? This is what we pay these people for?
Where is the strength in the US Dollar?
Anyone can take a look around, see the foundation is crumbling and the
structure is collapsing.

Last time I checked it was a government for the people, not a
government for the exploitation of people in the interest of
corporations.

"I hope we shall... crush in its birth the aristocracy of our
moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our
government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of
our country." --Thomas Jefferson 1816.

Public servants are just that, public servants, not Royalty!






On Oct 31, 2:31 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Oct 30, 9:48 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Slow down and take a closer look, the government is right now taking
> > away 800 billion dollars from people who earned it, people who work
> > hard for the money, only to give it away to a bunch of wealthy screw
> > ups  who did not earn it.  What do you call that?
>
> A LIE
>
> They are NOT "giving" it to them, like all you Loony Liberals keep
> saying.
>
> What will be "given" is money from some Americans to others, if Obama
> is Elected.
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Re: I am off to work

[WarpTen]

Delusional at best!



On Oct 29, 6:57 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Wealthy use their Wealth to work for them...
>
> That provides Jobs for people who haven't Learned to use their Wealth
> to their advantage.
>
> On Oct 29, 4:54 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Please Mark, get a real grip and face the fact that the deadbeats you
> > support are the political fat cats in Washington who take the cream
> > off the top of the trillions of dollars that people like you pay into
> > the government coffers.
> > Do you know what political salaries are?
> > Pork Barrel spending?
> > Ear Marks?
> > Cronyism?
> > Nepotism?
> > The wealthy work the system and reap more rewards than any other
> > segment of society!
> > The wealthy work the system and reap more rewards than any other
> > segment of society!
> > The wealthy work the system and reap more rewards than any other
> > segment of society!
> > The wealthy work the system and reap more rewards than any other
> > segment of society!
> > The wealthy work the system and reap more rewards than any other
> > segment of society!
> > The wealthy work the system and reap more rewards than any other
> > segment of society!
> > Let it sink it Mark!
> > The Truth is always hard to swallow!
>
> > On Oct 29, 6:02 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > so I can help support all you deadbeat libs.  share the wealth.- Hide 
> > > quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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Re: A message to Obama from a small business owner

[WarpTen]

Your hell bent on distortion but to address at least one of your
pointless points let's look at;

"The role of government never has been and should not be to steal
wealth from those who earned it and give it to those who did
not."< wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:24 PM, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > When I talk about the wealthy that run the government I'm talking
> > about people who have billions, not Joe the plumber. Further, I don't
> > like being referred to as a lib tagged with warfare pimp and you
> > probably don't have any idea what it is.
>
> You're a card-carrying class warfare pimp -you think the rich are
> evil, poor people are good, and that the government has a right to
> redistribute wealth from those who earned it to those who didn't as a
> means of equalizing the classes and making things more "fair."
> Classic class-warfare bullshit - Obama believes it too, so it's no
> surprise you support him.
>
> > That is asinine on your part
> > and lacks the maturity level required for further discourse.  If you
> > have not yet reached that income level its probably because you are
> > impotent.
>
> Ummm...last I checked, I wasn't a male prostitute so my potency has no
> bearing on my income - but thanks for asking.
>
> >I personally have and with the better half have had a
> > combined income nearly twice that amount, which is an achievement for
> > two people born out of poverty. We own 3 homes in 3 states, have
> > property in NY and live the good life but that does not preclude our
> > ability to see the government for what it is, or what it has become,
> > not to mention that their bullshit antics have cost us thousands of
> > dollars. The money that Obama is going to cost me is peanuts and will
> > never affect my lifestyle and won't come near the money we've lost in
> > the last 8 years with Bush who cost me 12 employees.
>
> If you feel this strongly that you don't deserve the money you earn,
> then DONATE it.  The rest of us would like to keep what we earn, and
> not have it STOLEN from us by Obama, nor do we want a welfare check -
> we'd prefer to work for our own money.
>
> >  We are pragmatic
> > individuals with a keen sense of global economies, in fact when the
> > housing market goes up we are selling out all we have and moving to
> > Europe to get away from this sinking quagmire of political corruption.
> > Your assumptions are running rampant which is indicative of your
> > impudence. My comments were generalized and does not warrant a
> > personal attack,
>
> You brought up "morons without a clue," remember?  And now you want to
> complain about personal attacks?  Glass houses, my friend.
>
> > I still stand firm
> > and contend that it is time for the government to get back to its role
> > as a government for the people.
>
> The role of government never has been and should not be to steal
> wealth from those who earned it and give it to those who did not.  If
> you feel THEFT is a legitimate role of government, perhaps you should
> move to Cuba.
>
> > I don't really give a damn about
> > corporations until they start manipulating our government for the sake
> > of corporate gain. You talk about hand outs? What about corporate
> > welfare?
>
> Liberal politicians LOVE corporate welfare - they'll vote for any
> pork-barrel spending and earmark bill that comes along, so long as
> they can funnel it back to companies in their home states.  After
> Obama was elected to the US Senate, he sponsored a million-dollar
> earmark for Michelle's hospital.  Shortly afterward, Michelle's salary
> TRIPLED.  Coincidence?
>
> > On Oct 29, 6:47 pm, voxitar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: A message to Obama from a small business owner

[WarpTen]

When I talk about the wealthy that run the government I'm talking
about people who have billions, not Joe the plumber. Further, I don't
like being referred to as a lib tagged with warfare pimp and you
probably don't have any idea what it is. That is asinine on your part
and lacks the maturity level required for further discourse.  If you
have not yet reached that income level its probably because you are
impotent. I personally have and with the better half have had a
combined income nearly twice that amount, which is an achievement for
two people born out of poverty. We own 3 homes in 3 states, have
property in NY and live the good life but that does not preclude our
ability to see the government for what it is, or what it has become,
not to mention that their bullshit antics have cost us thousands of
dollars. The money that Obama is going to cost me is peanuts and will
never affect my lifestyle and won't come near the money we've lost in
the last 8 years with Bush who cost me 12 employees.  We are pragmatic
individuals with a keen sense of global economies, in fact when the
housing market goes up we are selling out all we have and moving to
Europe to get away from this sinking quagmire of political corruption.
Your assumptions are running rampant which is indicative of your
impudence. My comments were generalized and does not warrant a
personal attack, however, I find immature name calling is rife in this
forum especially among those who cannot present a clear foundation for
point. You sound like McCain and Palin who just want to spend their
time, and waste my time, thrashing Obama without addressing the
issues.  It is literally a circus election year. I still stand firm
and contend that it is time for the government to get back to its role
as a government for the people. I don't really give a damn about
corporations until they start manipulating our government for the sake
of corporate gain. You talk about hand outs? What about corporate
welfare?

On Oct 29, 6:47 pm, voxitar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> you're making the same mistake SO many liberal class warfare pimps do
> - you ASSUME that because someone isn't yet wealthy, that they
> automatically must want someone to GIVE them a check they didn't earn,
> and if they don't want to be given that check, they are "morons
> without a clue."  Here's a free clue, moron - lots and lots of us
> started out with nothing, never asked for anything, don't want a dime
> we didn't earn, and more than happy to continue to acquire wealth the
> old-fashioned way, by EARNING it.  i'm not yet at that magic $250K a
> year that Obama says makes me officially "rich," but I'm doing alright
> and I do NOT want a welfare check from people in the tax brackets
> above me to which I myself aspire.
>
> Obama's plan to take money from those in the upper tax brackets and
> use it to write checks to people in the lower brackets who didn't earn
> it and who don't make enough to owe ANY taxes at all disgusts me to my
> corethat's REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH. Some might even call it
> socialism...I call it what it is - THEFT.
>
> Vox
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:34 PM, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Look we're all getting screwed by the wealthy people who own and
> > operate the government!
>
> > McCain gives this speech in PA about how Obama is going to take away
> > their wealth. The people are yelling and screaming without realizing
> > they don't have any wealth for anyone to take away. People who earn
> > 30K or 40K an year who vote Republican are complete and total morons
> > without a clue.
> > It's the wealthy who are worried about Obama because they have
> > millions of dollars while the rest of the population struggles to make
> > ends meet.
> > If you work at a fast food restaurant or any 9 to 5 job and vote
> > Republican you are a retard.
> > Do any of you in this forum earn more than 100K a year?
> > McCain "Owes" the party and not only that but his "Wife" is "Wealthy",
> > so what do you think he has in mind? They own 7 homes, how many homes
> > do you own?
> > One of their homes can buy 3 of mine.
> > I'm tired of the wealthy getting wealthier on the backs of the poor
> > and middle class.
> > Hey! Thinking about "Class" I'm thinking we are living in the days of
> > Feudalism.
> > Think about it!
>
> > On Oct 27, 9:47 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> My living expenses are not very much and dont owe anybody anything. My SS
> >> chack actually covers my basic expenses with some left over.  You will get 
> >> a

Re: America; epilogue

[WarpTen]

He obviously has his own agenda, that being to make sure that he pumps
up his own ego long enough to camouflage his lagging self discontent.
Once he inflates his persona to the point of elevating himself above
and beyond the general citizenry he can begin to flagellate the
opposition leaving the readership in a quandary of interpretation
dilemma due to the overly semantic wordiness. While I'm very capable
of intellectual discourse on that level, I find attempting to make
points upon common ground is highly effective in contrast to that of
lofty literary lingo. Bullshit is bullshit no matter how you express
it.  Si Senor?

On Oct 29, 6:15 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Warp,
>
> Oh, Jim has calmed down considerably. He used to go on and on and on
> about his "giant brain" and how blessed and lucky we all were that he
> would choose to share his literary skill and genius with us. This
> would go on for a couple of paragraphs before he would even begin to
> get to the point of his post. The guy is hysterical, fun to read. I've
> no idea if anyone actually takes him seriously.
>
> On Oct 29, 6:01 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > That's what was identified the minute I read it!
> > Thanks!
> > Some people just get more into themselves than the actual issues on
> > which they want to attempt intellectual discourse.
> > If they would just drop the egoism they might make sense.
> > Highly unlikely but nevertheless a better path.
>
> > On Oct 27, 10:49 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > WarpTen,
>
> > > Old Jim is very good at long-winded and flowery claptrap.
>
> > > On Oct 27, 9:12 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > It was all very colorful and flowery in expression but to imply
> > > > socialism to the candidacy is a stretch of the imagination and loaded
> > > > with innuendo.  Obviously the majority of initial candidacy choices
> > > > were totally abandoned and now we have a paltry choice, typical of any
> > > > election year, Republican or Democrat.   All the other candidates fell
> > > > to the wayside (let's for arguments sake disregard Nader and the
> > > > other) and so we have to choose from that which has slipped through
> > > > the cracks.  One is old and lame with a dipsy airhead running mate and
> > > > the other is a cocky arrogant uppity with a running mate who runs the
> > > > mouth ahead of the brain. All in all the bottom line is rebuilding the
> > > > nation without compassion for the wealthy who have had a free ride for
> > > > years. If we do not invest in the advancement of the general populous
> > > > we will eventually be inundated with poverty run amok. Tax breaks for
> > > > the wealthy and corporate entities has not accomplished anything and
> > > > has actually delivered us to this precipice of which you refer. We
> > > > need to change the old established political guarde in order to see a
> > > > meaningful change in American image on a global scale. We cannot
> > > > measure our condition on the basis of founding principles but must
> > > > address our quandary on contemporary standards. Forty acres and a mule
> > > > is no longer a viable solution to economic distress. With corporate
> > > > vampires depleting the core values of our political foundation, it is
> > > > obvious that we must rebuild from the ground floor up. They just
> > > > burdened the tax payers with a 800 billion dollar bailout for the
> > > > wealthy; has it had much of a positive impact? Foreclosures are
> > > > increasing exponentially, poverty is running rampant, the Bush's,
> > > > Halliburton, CEO's and others have amassed magnanimous wealth. I don't
> > > > make $250K a year so I'm looking for change. The Obama's live in a
> > > > 1.65 million dollar home and the McCains own 7 houses, I'm struggling
> > > > to hold on to one while these bastards want the people to pay for
> > > > corporate screw ups with fat personal financial portfolios. It's funny
> > > > how they all know how to make the best of their own personal finances
> > > > but when it comes to American economics they are supposedly clueless
> > > > as to what the problems are. Do you get the feeling that we are all
> > > > being duped? Year after year? Every single year?
>
> > > > On Oct 27, 8:08 pm, Jim Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
>
>

Re: so who's gonna watch the new sitcom at 8:00 tonight?

[WarpTen]

The point is that Mark starts out this post without even the slightest
notion of what is going to be seen. This is like vigilante justice.
Prejudge and Hang!
This only serves to show that some people are just predisposed without
basis.  Its prejudice and discrimination without basis. Its bullshit
period.
This is not discussion but merely a vent for people to trash the
opposition and if that is what this forum is about I find it another
sad situation. Whether I agree or disagree I would surely not make
comment on something I have not yet personally witnessed.
Having watched it now I could say that I found it a bit Disney but
there are some pertinent points that are being presented. Obama is not
totally wrong and neither is McCain, however, weighing out the two
parties I would only rule out McCain for his blunder of the Palin
choice. She just doesn't strike me as someone who has the all of it to
take over.  Palin is, as First Lady Laura Bush stated, a quick study.
If only McCain would have picked someone else but even so he seems a
bit senile at times and I'm not sure he is all together. It is a sad
time in our election history when we have to choose among such
assholes. I think they are all a waste of time.

On Oct 29, 7:30 pm, Maax Well <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I plan to watch, but will keep barf bags close by.  I hope to hear
> some detail regarding the depth he plans to bury the old stinger in
> the tailpipe.  I am not counting on any details until he has taken the
> throne, though. Wouldn't want to ruin the buzz he's got with this
> batch of Koolaid.
>
> On Oct 29, 5:18 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > One thing I never have any respect for is close minded people who
> > merely speak from their ignorance. If we are to make any decisions in
> > the world it should be based upon the knowledge of all aspects of the
> > issues.
> > Your display of prejudice and discrimination are highly apparent in
> > your posts. Your high school mentality needs overhauling and tutoring
> > to get you to the next level of understanding.
> > You are immature in the history of this country and therefore are not
> > capable of exuding any level of understanding other than blatant
> > attacks against that which you do not understand.
> > You are biased to the point of blindness.
> > Open your eyes to the larger image.
> > This is not 1959.
> > This country has struggled to grow, and so has grown because we are a
> > people of will, so grow with it.
> > You want to keep us in the past but we must move into the future and
> > that is inevitable.
> > The days of the Old Political Guard are over.
> > There is nothing you can do about it.
> > We have been taken by Enron, Halliburton, Exxon, and many other
> > corporate conglomerates that have taken over the strings of the
> > political puppets.
> > The Corporate Party needs to come to an end.
> > 800 Billion Dollar bailouts for the wealthy on the backs of people
> > like you needs to stop. You can stop it!
> > You can stop it!
>
> > On Oct 29, 4:16 pm, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > just remember this is nothing more than a situation comedy, and is not
> > > to be taken seriously.- Hide quoted text -
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Re: so who's gonna watch the new sitcom at 8:00 tonight?

[WarpTen]

People who worked for Enron that had over 300K in their 401K wound up
with less than 50K at the age of 60. What are they going to do with
that kind of money at that age?  People should lose all their money
because of corrupt corporations. Wake up! You obviously just want to
view the sunny side of the street while ignoring the dirty alley.

On Oct 29, 7:37 pm, voxitar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Enron, Halliburton, Exxon - oh my!  Enron, Halliburton, Exxon - oh my!
>
> LOL - why do liberals insist on demonizing companies that a) pay LOTS
> of taxes, b) hire LOTS of wokers, c) are part and parcel of the 401K
> portfolios of many, MANY fine folks who are hoping their shares in
> these companies will afford them a decent retirement?
>
> Enron, Halliburton, Exxon - oh my!  Enron, Halliburton, Exxon - oh my!
>
> LMAO!
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 7:18 PM, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > One thing I never have any respect for is close minded people who
> > merely speak from their ignorance. If we are to make any decisions in
> > the world it should be based upon the knowledge of all aspects of the
> > issues.
> > Your display of prejudice and discrimination are highly apparent in
> > your posts. Your high school mentality needs overhauling and tutoring
> > to get you to the next level of understanding.
> > You are immature in the history of this country and therefore are not
> > capable of exuding any level of understanding other than blatant
> > attacks against that which you do not understand.
> > You are biased to the point of blindness.
> > Open your eyes to the larger image.
> > This is not 1959.
> > This country has struggled to grow, and so has grown because we are a
> > people of will, so grow with it.
> > You want to keep us in the past but we must move into the future and
> > that is inevitable.
> > The days of the Old Political Guard are over.
> > There is nothing you can do about it.
> > We have been taken by Enron, Halliburton, Exxon, and many other
> > corporate conglomerates that have taken over the strings of the
> > political puppets.
> > The Corporate Party needs to come to an end.
> > 800 Billion Dollar bailouts for the wealthy on the backs of people
> > like you needs to stop. You can stop it!
> > You can stop it!
>
> > On Oct 29, 4:16 pm, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> just remember this is nothing more than a situation comedy, and is not
> >> to be taken seriously.
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Re: so who's gonna watch the new sitcom at 8:00 tonight?

[WarpTen]

One thing I never have any respect for is close minded people who
merely speak from their ignorance. If we are to make any decisions in
the world it should be based upon the knowledge of all aspects of the
issues.
Your display of prejudice and discrimination are highly apparent in
your posts. Your high school mentality needs overhauling and tutoring
to get you to the next level of understanding.
You are immature in the history of this country and therefore are not
capable of exuding any level of understanding other than blatant
attacks against that which you do not understand.
You are biased to the point of blindness.
Open your eyes to the larger image.
This is not 1959.
This country has struggled to grow, and so has grown because we are a
people of will, so grow with it.
You want to keep us in the past but we must move into the future and
that is inevitable.
The days of the Old Political Guard are over.
There is nothing you can do about it.
We have been taken by Enron, Halliburton, Exxon, and many other
corporate conglomerates that have taken over the strings of the
political puppets.
The Corporate Party needs to come to an end.
800 Billion Dollar bailouts for the wealthy on the backs of people
like you needs to stop. You can stop it!
You can stop it!

On Oct 29, 4:16 pm, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> just remember this is nothing more than a situation comedy, and is not
> to be taken seriously.
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Re: I am off to work

[WarpTen]

Please Mark, get a real grip and face the fact that the deadbeats you
support are the political fat cats in Washington who take the cream
off the top of the trillions of dollars that people like you pay into
the government coffers.
Do you know what political salaries are?
Pork Barrel spending?
Ear Marks?
Cronyism?
Nepotism?
The wealthy work the system and reap more rewards than any other
segment of society!
The wealthy work the system and reap more rewards than any other
segment of society!
The wealthy work the system and reap more rewards than any other
segment of society!
The wealthy work the system and reap more rewards than any other
segment of society!
The wealthy work the system and reap more rewards than any other
segment of society!
The wealthy work the system and reap more rewards than any other
segment of society!
Let it sink it Mark!
The Truth is always hard to swallow!



On Oct 29, 6:02 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> so I can help support all you deadbeat libs.  share the wealth.
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Re: " McCain didn't seem to mind unified control of government when it was him, Phil Gramm, Tom DeLay, and George Bush."

[WarpTen]

I don't think people have given much thought to the fact that have a
one party government might eliminate all the waste that goes into
partisan politics. Don't forget that these assholes are making huge
salaries arguing with each other year after year after year without
much coming out of it.  Imagine that something actually get's done in
Washington. Imagine that our government actually starts to function
without all the barbs.
Imagine, because imagination is all we have when it comes to
government.
You will all get up in the morning and go to work and then forfeit
part of you earnings to these butt wipes so give it some serious
thought!
Don't get caught up in the frenzy!


On Oct 29, 6:30 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> gaar,
>
> Wanted you to do it. I LIKE making you do my work for me.
>
> On Oct 29, 5:57 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > You asked to have it explained...
>
> > On Oct 29, 3:53 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Gaar,
>
> > > You didn't ask me.
>
> > > On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Sure I was...
>
> > > > Just as I am aware that such a thing can be stopped if one Party holds
> > > > 60 Seats or better.
>
> > > > Something, it seems, you were unaware of.
>
> > > > On Oct 29, 3:11 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > Piss off, seems you were not aware of the fact the Republicans are as
> > > > > free to use the fillibuster as the Democrats are.
>
> > > > > On Oct 29, 4:17 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Oct 29, 7:20 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I understand that device is equally available to both parties.
>
> > > > > > Not if one Party holds 60 seats or better...
>
> > > > > > Seems you need to LEARN how the Government works.
>
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Re: A message to Obama from a small business owner

[WarpTen]

Look we're all getting screwed by the wealthy people who own and
operate the government!

McCain gives this speech in PA about how Obama is going to take away
their wealth. The people are yelling and screaming without realizing
they don't have any wealth for anyone to take away. People who earn
30K or 40K an year who vote Republican are complete and total morons
without a clue.
It's the wealthy who are worried about Obama because they have
millions of dollars while the rest of the population struggles to make
ends meet.
If you work at a fast food restaurant or any 9 to 5 job and vote
Republican you are a retard.
Do any of you in this forum earn more than 100K a year?
McCain "Owes" the party and not only that but his "Wife" is "Wealthy",
so what do you think he has in mind? They own 7 homes, how many homes
do you own?
One of their homes can buy 3 of mine.
I'm tired of the wealthy getting wealthier on the backs of the poor
and middle class.
Hey! Thinking about "Class" I'm thinking we are living in the days of
Feudalism.
Think about it!

On Oct 27, 9:47 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My living expenses are not very much and dont owe anybody anything. My SS
> chack actually covers my basic expenses with some left over.  You will get a
> laugh out of this but the last suit I bought was in 1983.  My father died in
> 84 and his clothes fit me and I have all his suits.  perfect fit.  only wear
> to funerals anyway. wore a suit 3 times all this year.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I am nearly all Cash right now myself...
>
> > Depending on what happens November 4th, I may need the liquid assets.
>
> > On Oct 27, 7:37 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > That is why I am no longer inthe market.
>
> >  > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > Capital Gains don't only affect small Business...
>
> > > > On Oct 27, 6:16 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > The whole of what is being purported is rife with inaccuracy and the
> > > > > best assessment is presented by the first of the comments by Ben, who
> > > > > states:
>
> > > > > Just so you know, whoever wrote this email was either wrong or is
> > > > > trying to be a fear monger.  Taxes are only on profits, that is net
> > > > > income after all the deductible expenses are taken out of a business'
> > > > > gross take.  The increase is only on marginal income ABOVE the $250k
> > > > > mark, so if a business makes $260k after all expenses, then the
> > higher
> > > > > taxes apply to the last $10k, meaning that they'll have to pay $300/
> > > > > year more.
>
> > > > > That is not much more money for a person to pay who makes 250K.
>
> > > > > Bottom line is McCain and Palin are not going to prop up the common
> > > > > worker but will most likely pander to the wealthy and serve as
> > puppets
> > > > > for the master puppeteers, the Bush family Oil magnates, so they can
> > > > > get their greazy hands on Alaskan Oil. McCain isn't even a war heroes
> > > > > but more so one who cracked under pressure and gave in to the enemy
> > to
> > > > > save his own ass. Palin is a lead weight and a mockery when it comes
> > > > > to political office. She is under scrutiny in Alaska for her less
> > than
> > > > > ethical behavior all of which is unacceptable for our future
> > > > > President.  We've had enough antics going back to Clinton's oral
> > > > > office games, played on tax payer money. Where do these politicians
> > > > > get off?  Yeah I know, under the table. Haha!
>
> > > > > On Oct 27, 7:19 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > From: Travis
> > > > > > Date: Mon, Oct 27, 2008
> > > > > > Subject: A message to Obama from a small business owner
>
> >http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/10/26/a-message-to-obama-from-a-small.
> > > > ..
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Re: America; epilogue

[WarpTen]

That's what was identified the minute I read it!
Thanks!
Some people just get more into themselves than the actual issues on
which they want to attempt intellectual discourse.
If they would just drop the egoism they might make sense.
Highly unlikely but nevertheless a better path.

On Oct 27, 10:49 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> WarpTen,
>
> Old Jim is very good at long-winded and flowery claptrap.
>
> On Oct 27, 9:12 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It was all very colorful and flowery in expression but to imply
> > socialism to the candidacy is a stretch of the imagination and loaded
> > with innuendo.  Obviously the majority of initial candidacy choices
> > were totally abandoned and now we have a paltry choice, typical of any
> > election year, Republican or Democrat.   All the other candidates fell
> > to the wayside (let's for arguments sake disregard Nader and the
> > other) and so we have to choose from that which has slipped through
> > the cracks.  One is old and lame with a dipsy airhead running mate and
> > the other is a cocky arrogant uppity with a running mate who runs the
> > mouth ahead of the brain. All in all the bottom line is rebuilding the
> > nation without compassion for the wealthy who have had a free ride for
> > years. If we do not invest in the advancement of the general populous
> > we will eventually be inundated with poverty run amok. Tax breaks for
> > the wealthy and corporate entities has not accomplished anything and
> > has actually delivered us to this precipice of which you refer. We
> > need to change the old established political guarde in order to see a
> > meaningful change in American image on a global scale. We cannot
> > measure our condition on the basis of founding principles but must
> > address our quandary on contemporary standards. Forty acres and a mule
> > is no longer a viable solution to economic distress. With corporate
> > vampires depleting the core values of our political foundation, it is
> > obvious that we must rebuild from the ground floor up. They just
> > burdened the tax payers with a 800 billion dollar bailout for the
> > wealthy; has it had much of a positive impact? Foreclosures are
> > increasing exponentially, poverty is running rampant, the Bush's,
> > Halliburton, CEO's and others have amassed magnanimous wealth. I don't
> > make $250K a year so I'm looking for change. The Obama's live in a
> > 1.65 million dollar home and the McCains own 7 houses, I'm struggling
> > to hold on to one while these bastards want the people to pay for
> > corporate screw ups with fat personal financial portfolios. It's funny
> > how they all know how to make the best of their own personal finances
> > but when it comes to American economics they are supposedly clueless
> > as to what the problems are. Do you get the feeling that we are all
> > being duped? Year after year? Every single year?
>
> > On Oct 27, 8:08 pm, Jim Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > As America squats upon the precipice of electing a dyed in the wool
> > > socialist, hell bent on destroying the country that made him into the
> > > wealthy elitist he truly is, I can’t help feeling that we are quite
> > > simply reaping what we have sown. For we have taken the gift that is
> > > America, “paid for in blood by patriots” and adulterated it beyond all
> > > recognition. We have inherited the dreams and aspirations of those
> > > founders only to squander them as irrelevant or antiquated.
> > > Apparently we have a majority of citizens ready to willingly embrace
> > > socialism when it was capitalism combined with the entrepreneurial
> > > spirit of ordinary people most responsible for American
> > > exceptionalism. In just over two hundred years we, as a country, have
> > > bested the rest of the world in every form of human endeavor. We have
> > > the highest standard of living known to man. For all of the hyperbolic
> > > hyperbole about poverty across these fruited plains even the supposed
> > > impoverished are fat and happy mired in their muck. We have six
> > > billion people weighing down this orb and more than half of them do so
> > > without such luxuries as electricity and running water. And yet we
> > > complain and demand change.
> > > What has spoiled this country is the separation from those founders,
> > > from their ideals combined with our tepid faith in our constitution
> > > and God. John Adam’s said, “We have no government armed with power
> &g

Re: America; epilogue

[WarpTen]

It was all very colorful and flowery in expression but to imply
socialism to the candidacy is a stretch of the imagination and loaded
with innuendo.  Obviously the majority of initial candidacy choices
were totally abandoned and now we have a paltry choice, typical of any
election year, Republican or Democrat.   All the other candidates fell
to the wayside (let's for arguments sake disregard Nader and the
other) and so we have to choose from that which has slipped through
the cracks.  One is old and lame with a dipsy airhead running mate and
the other is a cocky arrogant uppity with a running mate who runs the
mouth ahead of the brain. All in all the bottom line is rebuilding the
nation without compassion for the wealthy who have had a free ride for
years. If we do not invest in the advancement of the general populous
we will eventually be inundated with poverty run amok. Tax breaks for
the wealthy and corporate entities has not accomplished anything and
has actually delivered us to this precipice of which you refer. We
need to change the old established political guarde in order to see a
meaningful change in American image on a global scale. We cannot
measure our condition on the basis of founding principles but must
address our quandary on contemporary standards. Forty acres and a mule
is no longer a viable solution to economic distress. With corporate
vampires depleting the core values of our political foundation, it is
obvious that we must rebuild from the ground floor up. They just
burdened the tax payers with a 800 billion dollar bailout for the
wealthy; has it had much of a positive impact? Foreclosures are
increasing exponentially, poverty is running rampant, the Bush's,
Halliburton, CEO's and others have amassed magnanimous wealth. I don't
make $250K a year so I'm looking for change. The Obama's live in a
1.65 million dollar home and the McCains own 7 houses, I'm struggling
to hold on to one while these bastards want the people to pay for
corporate screw ups with fat personal financial portfolios. It's funny
how they all know how to make the best of their own personal finances
but when it comes to American economics they are supposedly clueless
as to what the problems are. Do you get the feeling that we are all
being duped? Year after year? Every single year?

On Oct 27, 8:08 pm, Jim Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> As America squats upon the precipice of electing a dyed in the wool
> socialist, hell bent on destroying the country that made him into the
> wealthy elitist he truly is, I can’t help feeling that we are quite
> simply reaping what we have sown. For we have taken the gift that is
> America, “paid for in blood by patriots” and adulterated it beyond all
> recognition. We have inherited the dreams and aspirations of those
> founders only to squander them as irrelevant or antiquated.
> Apparently we have a majority of citizens ready to willingly embrace
> socialism when it was capitalism combined with the entrepreneurial
> spirit of ordinary people most responsible for American
> exceptionalism. In just over two hundred years we, as a country, have
> bested the rest of the world in every form of human endeavor. We have
> the highest standard of living known to man. For all of the hyperbolic
> hyperbole about poverty across these fruited plains even the supposed
> impoverished are fat and happy mired in their muck. We have six
> billion people weighing down this orb and more than half of them do so
> without such luxuries as electricity and running water. And yet we
> complain and demand change.
> What has spoiled this country is the separation from those founders,
> from their ideals combined with our tepid faith in our constitution
> and God. John Adam’s said, “We have no government armed with power
> capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and
> religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the
> strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our
> Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is
> wholly inadequate for any other”.
> Until 1948 the bible and God was an integral component in the rearing
> and education of America’s youth. 1949 stands out as the first year of
> a decline in scholastic achievement.
> Speak to anyone of public school matriculation and, on balance, the
> most favored response to religion in the classroom is the oft repeated
> separation of church and state. Yet, no such language exists in our
> founding documents and those who born this country couldn’t imagine a
> populace so ill informed as to the bible and the word of God.
> Still, highlighted in this misconception is the apt labeling of an ill
> informed electorate as to the content and context of our founding
> documents; the cornerstone of this representative republic.
> It is saddening to realize that those men, Adams, Jefferson, Franklin,
> et al, pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to
> foster 

Re: A message to Obama from a small business owner

[WarpTen]

The whole of what is being purported is rife with inaccuracy and the
best assessment is presented by the first of the comments by Ben, who
states:

Just so you know, whoever wrote this email was either wrong or is
trying to be a fear monger.  Taxes are only on profits, that is net
income after all the deductible expenses are taken out of a business’
gross take.  The increase is only on marginal income ABOVE the $250k
mark, so if a business makes $260k after all expenses, then the higher
taxes apply to the last $10k, meaning that they’ll have to pay $300/
year more.

That is not much more money for a person to pay who makes 250K.

Bottom line is McCain and Palin are not going to prop up the common
worker but will most likely pander to the wealthy and serve as puppets
for the master puppeteers, the Bush family Oil magnates, so they can
get their greazy hands on Alaskan Oil. McCain isn't even a war heroes
but more so one who cracked under pressure and gave in to the enemy to
save his own ass. Palin is a lead weight and a mockery when it comes
to political office. She is under scrutiny in Alaska for her less than
ethical behavior all of which is unacceptable for our future
President.  We've had enough antics going back to Clinton's oral
office games, played on tax payer money. Where do these politicians
get off?  Yeah I know, under the table. Haha!

On Oct 27, 7:19 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Travis
> Date: Mon, Oct 27, 2008
> Subject: A message to Obama from a small business owner
>
> http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/10/26/a-message-to-obama-from-a-small...
>
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Re: Obama, a real modern day Robin Hood, robbing the poor to give to the rich.

[WarpTen]

The problem is that people have little to none direct influence on
government. There is huge chasm of disconnect between the working
class and government aside from the direct connection of their money
to the government.  I would say that if everyone just refused to pay
anymore money until positive results have been achieved there would be
significant results in a matter of months. However, the problem with
that is no one has the right to get a job and not have taxes taken out
of their paycheck automatically.  Getting your money is a guaranteed
revenue for the government and then they can do whatever they want
with it.  Take for example this $150,000 New Clothes for Sarah Palin
thing that appears to be the core problem with government. This is a
non sequitor act for a supposed maverick.   It used to be taxation
without representation but now is seems more like taxation without
conscience.  People bust their butts every day struggling to make ends
meet and this maverick for change goes out and spends that much on
clothes?  You could pay off a modest mortgage with that kind of money.
The example is this: These people have so much taxpayer money that
they just don't know what to do with it. They don't even blink at that
amount of money because they have so much to spend.  The presidential
library alone costs taxpayers over 17 million.  These bastards should
pay for their own library out of their own pockets. I think we are
living in a modern day system of Feudalism. Government no longer acts
as the public servant but more so the royalty segment of society. This
was typical prior to the French Revolution when the excesses of
government no longer served the people but only served the government.
Has this government become self-serving?  That is why this election is
rife with the fervor of the people who en mass are tired of the old
big brother tendencies of political leaders. The rich will fight this
tooth and nail to maintain their status in society. I don't mind
people having wealth but not on the backs of people who are struggling
to make bread.   In the city I live 30,000 children go to bed without
dinner every night. The nation has an unprecedented level of
homelessness and poverty is on the increase.  It is the end of another
presidential term and they are all on the soap box telling us how they
are going to fix all the problems and make everything nice, once
again. Do you think they are going to fix anything over the next four
years? Over the next eight years? The next twelve? 24? 36? 72?


On Oct 22, 5:54 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Agreed. So what do you do? You learn how to fight, that's what you do.
> You learn the lessons of history, and arm yourself with knowledge.
> Because this system is on the brink of collapse and not only the
> American people but the people of the world are on the verge of
> revolt.
>
> The banks have been bailed out all over the world while people can no
> longer make ends meet and live in abject poverty. And you are right,
> they do everything they can to keep the workers ignorant and divided,
> fighting amongst themselves, but there is a limit and that limit has
> been reached. Workers are starting to look for answers and when they
> find them--and they will--a new world is waiting for them, of this I
> could not be more certain.
>
> NB. About 80% of what workers produce is skimmed by the vultures at
> the top
>
> On Oct 22, 5:40 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > How so bucko? Are you foolish enought to believe what politicians say
> > when they lie for a living? You must be joking?
>
> > On Oct 22, 12:43 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > You don't have the slightest idea of what you are talking about.
>
> > > On Oct 21, 7:16 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > If you think before just taking everythink these clowns tell you at
> > > > face value, you may start to see a few things for yourselves.
>
> > > > The richest most influential men in the US are finacially supporting
> > > > Obama, including the Wall St robber Barons. So what you are saying is
> > > > that these robber Barons are funding Obam's campaign because he is
> > > > going to redistribute their wealth? That makes a lot of sense doesn't
> > > > it?
>
> > > > He SAYS he will redistribute wealth, while his ACTIONS prove
> > > > otherwise.
>
> > > > Obama was the most vociferous advocate for using tax payer's money to
> > > > bail out corporate crooks. In other words, he advocated the
> > > > redistribution of wealth from the workers, the poorest layer in
> &g

Re: If Sarah Palin can pull off her appearance on SNL

[WarpTen]

The debtors were told what they could afford by unscrupulous sub-prime
mortgage predators.  The average home buyer is not a CPA.
Corporations such as the likes of Enron and others are insidious
parasites that plague the world. Now we've been duped into 800 billion
more debt to bail out multi-millionaire pond scum and the sad part is
they really didn't accomplish stabilization. Its the same old cronyism
that been going on for years.
Breakdown of family is a good point and overall decline in societal
values is a strong contributor as well.
It will all be over in a couple of weeks and then everyone can all get
back to working away their lives and paying hundreds of thousands of
dollars to all the political fat cats in Washington.

On Oct 22, 4:04 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You fail to address debtors who splurged beyond their means to repay
> which accounts for the present banking and credit crisis. I would add
> the breakdown of the family in the USA which is the base indicator of
> all societies.
>
> On Oct 22, 5:26 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Corporate influence in government destroyed America already!
>
> > America is just a shadow of it's former self.
>
> > On Oct 22, 3:05 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Democrats thrive on resentment- even the very rich ones who are
> > > phonies and hypocrites. There is something immense that is destroying
> > > America.
>
> > > On Oct 21, 7:39 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > PS: Chaney is a corporate scumbag who took care of all his corporate
> > > > friends at Halliburton, of which you should know he was the top dog.
> > > > He is no better than any other scumbag that ran Enron that left people
> > > > who worked all their lives in a dedication role to the company without
> > > > a dime. I'm sure you know that Halliburton received all the Contracts
> > > > in Iraq without any other outside bids. You do know that don't you? I
> > > > don't think you know the half of it really otherwise you wouldn't be
> > > > stroking the rods of these assholes who have buried you, your children
> > > > and your grandchildren in mounds of debt.
> > > > There is something seriously wrong with the minds of people who work
> > > > nine to five jobs and vote republican!
>
> > > > On Oct 21, 4:28 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > You assume McCain will not be able to serve out his term. Repeat:
> > > > > McCain's mother is in her mid 90's and sharp as a tack. Cheney has had
> > > > > greater influence than any vice-president. Maybe LBJ, also. However,
> > > > > what do you think blathering Biden would be like as president? Or
> > > > > think back to long winded HHH. No- this is a sexist attack on a
> > > > > certain kind of American female by liberal snobs, militant feminists
> > > > > and the media- the latter which enthrones their bimbos on a 24/7
> > > > > basis.
>
> > > > > On Oct 21, 6:34 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I did not emphasize any degree of distraction such as you are
> > > > > > injecting. I'm differentiating distraction from sexism as perceived
> > > > > > by creusa.
>
> > > > > > Palin is already distracted and acting like a goof ball. Having her 
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > commander in chief would only encourage hostile entities to attack 
> > > > > > us.
> > > > > > I though more about McCain before he totally lost his mind with his
> > > > > > choice of running mate. There are so many more politically
> > > > > > experienced women he could have chosen.
>
> > > > > > On Oct 20, 10:16 am, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > In terms of distractions, dealing with a life and death situation 
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > your spouse is not the same as raising children.
>
> > > > > > > If raising children is too much of a distraction, then why isn't 
> > > > > > > it a
> > > > > > > problem for Obama?
>
> > > > > > > On Oct 20, 11:07 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > It's not a matter of sexism but more so a situation of mental
> > > > > > > > d

Re: If Sarah Palin can pull off her appearance on SNL

[WarpTen]

Yes capitalism as well and the greed that it spawns.

On Oct 22, 3:58 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No. There is something seriously wrong with capitalism and those who
> abuse it- Democrats or Republicans- and it started back in the
> Industrial Revolution. Great Britain felt the first rumbles.
>
> On Oct 21, 7:39 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > PS: Chaney is a corporate scumbag who took care of all his corporate
> > friends at Halliburton, of which you should know he was the top dog.
> > He is no better than any other scumbag that ran Enron that left people
> > who worked all their lives in a dedication role to the company without
> > a dime. I'm sure you know that Halliburton received all the Contracts
> > in Iraq without any other outside bids. You do know that don't you? I
> > don't think you know the half of it really otherwise you wouldn't be
> > stroking the rods of these assholes who have buried you, your children
> > and your grandchildren in mounds of debt.
> > There is something seriously wrong with the minds of people who work
> > nine to five jobs and vote republican!
>
> > On Oct 21, 4:28 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > You assume McCain will not be able to serve out his term. Repeat:
> > > McCain's mother is in her mid 90's and sharp as a tack. Cheney has had
> > > greater influence than any vice-president. Maybe LBJ, also. However,
> > > what do you think blathering Biden would be like as president? Or
> > > think back to long winded HHH. No- this is a sexist attack on a
> > > certain kind of American female by liberal snobs, militant feminists
> > > and the media- the latter which enthrones their bimbos on a 24/7
> > > basis.
>
> > > On Oct 21, 6:34 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > I did not emphasize any degree of distraction such as you are
> > > > injecting. I'm differentiating distraction from sexism as perceived
> > > > by creusa.
>
> > > > Palin is already distracted and acting like a goof ball. Having her as
> > > > commander in chief would only encourage hostile entities to attack us.
> > > > I though more about McCain before he totally lost his mind with his
> > > > choice of running mate. There are so many more politically
> > > > experienced women he could have chosen.
>
> > > > On Oct 20, 10:16 am, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > In terms of distractions, dealing with a life and death situation with
> > > > > your spouse is not the same as raising children.
>
> > > > > If raising children is too much of a distraction, then why isn't it a
> > > > > problem for Obama?
>
> > > > > On Oct 20, 11:07 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > It's not a matter of sexism but more so a situation of mental
> > > > > > distraction. Same point made during John Edwards run concerning the
> > > > > > condition of his wife's cancer and the ability of a President to 
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > full capacity in a time of serious consequence. This is a time of
> > > > > > serious consequence in the political arena and to disregard any
> > > > > > shortcomings could be disastrous. I don't want a hockey mom running
> > > > > > the country. I want to know that, while I'm too busy working and
> > > > > > taking care of my family to pay attention, there is someone in 
> > > > > > office
> > > > > > I could feel confident in holding the reigns. There are so many more
> > > > > > women in the country that have the fortitude and the good senses
> > > > > > necessary to take action. Palin in fact is another example of how
> > > > > > McCain is not making sensible decisions and is not the best person 
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > the job. He really lost it somewhere. The election of Obama will 
> > > > > > show
> > > > > > the strides this country has made in overcoming ignorant bigotry 
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > elevate the country above it's past. Otherwise we are no better than
> > > > > > that of any other country full of racist dictators and genocidal
> > > > > > practice. Our nation needs to end discrimination against people 
> > > >

Re: North Carolina polling place being used by early voters is picketed by angry McCain/Palin supporters,

[WarpTen]

Beaver? I see many of you rely heavily on name calling to push your
agenda when you don't have any facts to establish validity.



On Oct 22, 10:21 am, Zebnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What freedom have you lost, Beaver? Anyone been knocking on your door
> demanding to see your papers? Has that happened to anyone you know or
> even know of? Get a grip. As far as Obama is concerned, he will NOT
> veto the odious "Fairness Doctrine" that Commrade Pelosi and her
> addled colleague Harry Reid are trying to enact and that will
> facillitate their attempts to silence their opposition. Its like
> watching Stalinists take over in slow motion with half the country
> cheering it on. Pitiful.
>
> On Oct 22, 11:13 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Freedoms have already been curtailed drastically by the Bush
> > administration so there isn't really much left to loss and I doubt
> > Obama is going to do anything concerning freedoms or civil liberties.
> > You can't just pull stuff out of a hat or Joe the Plumber's butt crack
> > and make it sound realistic.
> > If there is anything we need to fear it is the propaganda that is
> > being spread by the fear mongers!  We should be more afraid of the old
> > ideas not the new ideas.
>
> > Fear is the foundation of most governments; but it is so sordid and
> > brutal a passion, and renders men in whose breasts it predominates so
> > stupid and miserable, that Americans will not be likely to approve of
> > any political institution which is founded on it...John Adams
>
> > On Oct 22, 9:25 am, Zebnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Yeah, this freedom of speech thing is a bitch, ain't it? Don't worry,
> > > when commrade Obama gets in, he and his politboro will eliminate all
> > > of this freedom stuff.
>
> > > On Oct 22, 4:27 am, "[ vote for America ! vote for anybody but
> > > McCain !  ]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > A North Carolina polling place being used by early voters is picketed
> > > > by angry McCain/Palin supporters,
> > > > Aired October 21, 2008 - 15:00   
> > > > EThttp://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/21/cnr.07.html
> > > > (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
> > > > RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Coming at you right now: A
> > > > North Carolina polling place being used by early voters is picketed by
> > > > angry McCain/Palin supporters,
> > > > We are going to start today with a controversial video, one that, when
> > > > you look at it, it might make you somewhat disturbed. And the reason
> > > > for that is, it appears they are McCain and Palin supporters who are
> > > > picketing while people try to vote at a polling place in an early
> > > > voting place in North Carolina.- Hide quoted text -
>
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Re: North Carolina polling place being used by early voters is picketed by angry McCain/Palin supporters,

[WarpTen]

Freedoms have already been curtailed drastically by the Bush
administration so there isn't really much left to loss and I doubt
Obama is going to do anything concerning freedoms or civil liberties.
You can't just pull stuff out of a hat or Joe the Plumber's butt crack
and make it sound realistic.
If there is anything we need to fear it is the propaganda that is
being spread by the fear mongers!  We should be more afraid of the old
ideas not the new ideas.

Fear is the foundation of most governments; but it is so sordid and
brutal a passion, and renders men in whose breasts it predominates so
stupid and miserable, that Americans will not be likely to approve of
any political institution which is founded on it...John Adams



On Oct 22, 9:25 am, Zebnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, this freedom of speech thing is a bitch, ain't it? Don't worry,
> when commrade Obama gets in, he and his politboro will eliminate all
> of this freedom stuff.
>
> On Oct 22, 4:27 am, "[ vote for America ! vote for anybody but
> McCain !  ]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > A North Carolina polling place being used by early voters is picketed
> > by angry McCain/Palin supporters,
> > Aired October 21, 2008 - 15:00   
> > EThttp://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/21/cnr.07.html
> > (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
> > RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Coming at you right now: A
> > North Carolina polling place being used by early voters is picketed by
> > angry McCain/Palin supporters,
> > We are going to start today with a controversial video, one that, when
> > you look at it, it might make you somewhat disturbed. And the reason
> > for that is, it appears they are McCain and Palin supporters who are
> > picketing while people try to vote at a polling place in an early
> > voting place in North Carolina.
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Re: North Carolina polling place being used by early voters is picketed by angry McCain/Palin supporters,

[WarpTen]

You can't make a blanket statement based on one incident in one town
in one state. For sure this election is getting people angry and I
would predict some violent outbursts around the nation after the
election. Get ready for the implosion!

On Oct 22, 4:50 am, "[ vote for America ! vote for anybody but
McCain !  ]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> more proof that the republicans want to block Americans from voting !
>
> On Oct 22, 4:27 am, "[ vote for America ! vote for anybody but
> McCain !  ]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > A North Carolina polling place being used by early voters is picketed
> > by angry McCain/Palin supporters,
> > Aired October 21, 2008 - 15:00   
> > EThttp://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/21/cnr.07.html
> > (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
> > RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Coming at you right now: A
> > North Carolina polling place being used by early voters is picketed by
> > angry McCain/Palin supporters,
> > We are going to start today with a controversial video, one that, when
> > you look at it, it might make you somewhat disturbed. And the reason
> > for that is, it appears they are McCain and Palin supporters who are
> > picketing while people try to vote at a polling place in an early
> > voting place in North Carolina.
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Re: If Sarah Palin can pull off her appearance on SNL

[WarpTen]

Corporate influence in government destroyed America already!

America is just a shadow of it's former self.

On Oct 22, 3:05 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Democrats thrive on resentment- even the very rich ones who are
> phonies and hypocrites. There is something immense that is destroying
> America.
>
> On Oct 21, 7:39 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > PS: Chaney is a corporate scumbag who took care of all his corporate
> > friends at Halliburton, of which you should know he was the top dog.
> > He is no better than any other scumbag that ran Enron that left people
> > who worked all their lives in a dedication role to the company without
> > a dime. I'm sure you know that Halliburton received all the Contracts
> > in Iraq without any other outside bids. You do know that don't you? I
> > don't think you know the half of it really otherwise you wouldn't be
> > stroking the rods of these assholes who have buried you, your children
> > and your grandchildren in mounds of debt.
> > There is something seriously wrong with the minds of people who work
> > nine to five jobs and vote republican!
>
> > On Oct 21, 4:28 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > You assume McCain will not be able to serve out his term. Repeat:
> > > McCain's mother is in her mid 90's and sharp as a tack. Cheney has had
> > > greater influence than any vice-president. Maybe LBJ, also. However,
> > > what do you think blathering Biden would be like as president? Or
> > > think back to long winded HHH. No- this is a sexist attack on a
> > > certain kind of American female by liberal snobs, militant feminists
> > > and the media- the latter which enthrones their bimbos on a 24/7
> > > basis.
>
> > > On Oct 21, 6:34 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > I did not emphasize any degree of distraction such as you are
> > > > injecting. I'm differentiating distraction from sexism as perceived
> > > > by creusa.
>
> > > > Palin is already distracted and acting like a goof ball. Having her as
> > > > commander in chief would only encourage hostile entities to attack us.
> > > > I though more about McCain before he totally lost his mind with his
> > > > choice of running mate. There are so many more politically
> > > > experienced women he could have chosen.
>
> > > > On Oct 20, 10:16 am, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > In terms of distractions, dealing with a life and death situation with
> > > > > your spouse is not the same as raising children.
>
> > > > > If raising children is too much of a distraction, then why isn't it a
> > > > > problem for Obama?
>
> > > > > On Oct 20, 11:07 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > It's not a matter of sexism but more so a situation of mental
> > > > > > distraction. Same point made during John Edwards run concerning the
> > > > > > condition of his wife's cancer and the ability of a President to 
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > full capacity in a time of serious consequence. This is a time of
> > > > > > serious consequence in the political arena and to disregard any
> > > > > > shortcomings could be disastrous. I don't want a hockey mom running
> > > > > > the country. I want to know that, while I'm too busy working and
> > > > > > taking care of my family to pay attention, there is someone in 
> > > > > > office
> > > > > > I could feel confident in holding the reigns. There are so many more
> > > > > > women in the country that have the fortitude and the good senses
> > > > > > necessary to take action. Palin in fact is another example of how
> > > > > > McCain is not making sensible decisions and is not the best person 
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > the job. He really lost it somewhere. The election of Obama will 
> > > > > > show
> > > > > > the strides this country has made in overcoming ignorant bigotry 
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > elevate the country above it's past. Otherwise we are no better than
> > > > > > that of any other country full of racist dictators and genocidal
> > > > > > practice. Our nation needs to end discrimination against people 
> > >

Re: Obama Now In Default: Failed To Produce VALID Birth Certificate

[WarpTen]

And the Republicans have dragged this country to a new low!

On Oct 22, 5:18 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the dems have dragged the election process to a new low.
>
> On Oct 22, 12:21 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It seems the only time he is required to "prove" he is elidgible is
> > AFTER he has been Elected, according to the Constitution...
>
> > So we are likely to be stuck with a President Biden, should Obama Win.
>
> > On Oct 21, 4:22 pm, "d.b.baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > More, but different:
>
> > > (HONOLULU, HI)(October 20, 2008) The leader of the national anti-Obama
> > > movement, legendary Chicago Internet columnist and Obama author Andy
> > > Martin, will hold a Honolulu news conference today, October 20, 2008
> > > to announce he has asked the Hawai’i Supreme Court to entertain an
> > > emergency writ expediting the release of Senator Barack Obama’s secret
> > > birth records.
>
> > > A copy of the Petition will be posted on Martin’s blogs later today
> > > after it is docketed by the Supreme Court. The Hawai’i Supreme Court
> > > petition supplements and expands on a lawsuit filed Friday, October
> > > 18th in the Circuit Court of Hawai’i. 
> > > -http://contrariancommentary.wordpress.com/2008/10/20/hawai%E2%80%99i-...
>
> > > In addition, a similar case is currently pending in the state of
> > > Washington. -http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2107660/posts
>
> > > On Oct 21, 6:25 pm, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > it is unbelievable he refuses to release his birth certificate.
> > > > it is unbelievable the liberal msm has passed on this huge story
> > > > it is unbelievable that there are so many people who dismiss this as
> > > > no big deal
> > > > nah, on second though it really is believable.
> > > > the fix is in people.
>
> > > > On Oct 21, 6:21 pm, "d.b.baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Today's motion in "Berg v. Obama et al" re Rule 36 of the Federal
> > > > > Rules of Civil Procedure:
>
> > > > >http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_R-l1iejogZw/SP1e1v9SEpI/BJE/ICBQ2KK...quoted
> > > > > text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
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Re: Obama Now In Default: Failed To Produce VALID Birth Certificate

[WarpTen]

You have to admit it will be better than getting stuck with Dumb and
Dumber!


On Oct 21, 11:21 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems the only time he is required to "prove" he is elidgible is
> AFTER he has been Elected, according to the Constitution...
>
> So we are likely to be stuck with a President Biden, should Obama Win.
>
> On Oct 21, 4:22 pm, "d.b.baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > More, but different:
>
> > (HONOLULU, HI)(October 20, 2008) The leader of the national anti-Obama
> > movement, legendary Chicago Internet columnist and Obama author Andy
> > Martin, will hold a Honolulu news conference today, October 20, 2008
> > to announce he has asked the Hawai’i Supreme Court to entertain an
> > emergency writ expediting the release of Senator Barack Obama’s secret
> > birth records.
>
> > A copy of the Petition will be posted on Martin’s blogs later today
> > after it is docketed by the Supreme Court. The Hawai’i Supreme Court
> > petition supplements and expands on a lawsuit filed Friday, October
> > 18th in the Circuit Court of Hawai’i. 
> > -http://contrariancommentary.wordpress.com/2008/10/20/hawai%E2%80%99i-...
>
> > In addition, a similar case is currently pending in the state of
> > Washington. -http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2107660/posts
>
> > On Oct 21, 6:25 pm, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > it is unbelievable he refuses to release his birth certificate.
> > > it is unbelievable the liberal msm has passed on this huge story
> > > it is unbelievable that there are so many people who dismiss this as
> > > no big deal
> > > nah, on second though it really is believable.
> > > the fix is in people.
>
> > > On Oct 21, 6:21 pm, "d.b.baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Today's motion in "Berg v. Obama et al" re Rule 36 of the Federal
> > > > Rules of Civil Procedure:
>
> > > >http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_R-l1iejogZw/SP1e1v9SEpI/BJE/ICBQ2KK...Hide
> > > > quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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Re: Obama, a real modern day Robin Hood, robbing the poor to give to the rich.

[WarpTen]

bucko? lol
If you are saying ALL politicians lie then there is no one to trust
within the entire political arena, so we have to go with something.
 I have to admit for over 50 years all I keep hearing every four years
are people with a good mouth piece up on a soap box talking about how
they are going to fix all the problems, clean up the mess and make it
all nice. The morning after the election millions of alarm clocks go
off and everyone goes to work at the same place for the same pay. Four
years later it is another mess.
The workers take a portion(approx. 3 months worth) of their salary and
send it off to the feds who take the cream off the top of it to
embellish their comfy lifestyles and then use the rest to fund the
wars that support the military industrial machine, the core of the
economy.  Of course a huge portion goes to the banks that lend the
workers their own money at a high interest rate which in turn creates
wealthy ceo's.  The only reason government exists is because the
people actually pay for it. They hire government to boss them around.
Because the majority of people, for some strange reason, cannot govern
themselves. Hence, we are doomed to on going political manipulation
with no end in sight. I don't think many people realize that they work
3 months just to send every penny of it off to these morons who can't
get it fixed.
Truth is that government functions on dysfunction. If it were going
well we would no longer need the bastards and they know it, so it is
in their best interest in the form of job security that they keep
everything in a constant state of disarray. Every once in a while they
throw the people a bone as a distraction to hide the screwing that is
going on in the background.  They let the educational system fail so
that there will be more stupid people for them to take advantage of.
The government doesn't want everyone making it to the top and the only
reason they talk about people having jobs is because they can collect
their salaries from other peoples salaries through taxation, a
legalized mafioso (you pay the mob to protect you from the mob).  When
people are out of work they start losing money and that's scary when
you are making 400K a year as a politician running (ruining) the
country.  I'd like to know where these sleaze bags get the nerve to
even draw a salary when they are so wealthy to begin with.  Is that
what they call concern for the people? I'll bet you anything that if
we had a "Volunteer" political system, things would get fixed really
quick!   Republican, Democrat, Libs, Cons etc It doesn't matter,
they all do the same thing.  If it isn't better after 200 years then
it is never going to get better. We should all be living great lives
after all these years of forking over money to the fat cats in
government.
So to answer your question; no I'm not!

On Oct 22, 1:40 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How so bucko? Are you foolish enought to believe what politicians say
> when they lie for a living? You must be joking?
>
> On Oct 22, 12:43 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > You don't have the slightest idea of what you are talking about.
>
> > On Oct 21, 7:16 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > If you think before just taking everythink these clowns tell you at
> > > face value, you may start to see a few things for yourselves.
>
> > > The richest most influential men in the US are finacially supporting
> > > Obama, including the Wall St robber Barons. So what you are saying is
> > > that these robber Barons are funding Obam's campaign because he is
> > > going to redistribute their wealth? That makes a lot of sense doesn't
> > > it?
>
> > > He SAYS he will redistribute wealth, while his ACTIONS prove
> > > otherwise.
>
> > > Obama was the most vociferous advocate for using tax payer's money to
> > > bail out corporate crooks. In other words, he advocated the
> > > redistribution of wealth from the workers, the poorest layer in
> > > society, to the Wall St Bankers and fianciers, the richest layer in
> > > society.
>
> > > What he SAYS and what he will DO, are two different things.
>
> > > Yes, Obama is a real modern day Robin Hood, robbing the poor to give
> > > to the rich.
>
> > > Bankers of the world unite!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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Re: Obama, a real modern day Robin Hood, robbing the poor to give to the rich.

[WarpTen]

You don't have the slightest idea of what you are talking about.

On Oct 21, 7:16 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you think before just taking everythink these clowns tell you at
> face value, you may start to see a few things for yourselves.
>
> The richest most influential men in the US are finacially supporting
> Obama, including the Wall St robber Barons. So what you are saying is
> that these robber Barons are funding Obam's campaign because he is
> going to redistribute their wealth? That makes a lot of sense doesn't
> it?
>
> He SAYS he will redistribute wealth, while his ACTIONS prove
> otherwise.
>
> Obama was the most vociferous advocate for using tax payer's money to
> bail out corporate crooks. In other words, he advocated the
> redistribution of wealth from the workers, the poorest layer in
> society, to the Wall St Bankers and fianciers, the richest layer in
> society.
>
> What he SAYS and what he will DO, are two different things.
>
> Yes, Obama is a real modern day Robin Hood, robbing the poor to give
> to the rich.
>
> Bankers of the world unite!
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Re: If Sarah Palin can pull off her appearance on SNL

[WarpTen]

Your sorry is understood and accepted. Thanks for the clarification!

On Oct 21, 10:03 am, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry, I directed the question to the wrong person as it was Studio
> who made the sexist remark, not you or creusa.
>
> Studio questions how Palin would be able to handle a crisis if one of
> her kids were sick, as if that was any more valid an issue for Palin
> than it is Obama.
>
> On Oct 21, 7:34 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I did not emphasize any degree of distraction such as you are
> > injecting.  I'm differentiating distraction from sexism as perceived
> > by creusa.
>
> > Palin is already distracted and acting like a goof ball. Having her as
> > commander in chief would only encourage hostile entities to attack us.
> > I though more about McCain before he totally lost his mind with his
> > choice of running mate.  There are so many more politically
> > experienced women he could have chosen.
>
> > On Oct 20, 10:16 am, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > In terms of distractions, dealing with a life and death situation with
> > > your spouse is not the same as raising children.
>
> > > If raising children is too much of a distraction, then why isn't it a
> > > problem for Obama?
>
> > > On Oct 20, 11:07 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > It's not a matter of sexism but more so a situation of mental
> > > > distraction.  Same point made during John Edwards run concerning the
> > > > condition of his wife's cancer and the ability of a President to have
> > > > full capacity in a time of serious consequence.  This is a time of
> > > > serious consequence in the political arena and to disregard any
> > > > shortcomings could be disastrous. I don't want a hockey mom running
> > > > the country.  I want to know that, while I'm too busy working and
> > > > taking care of my family to pay attention, there is someone in office
> > > > I could feel confident in holding the reigns. There are so many more
> > > > women in the country that have the fortitude and the good senses
> > > > necessary to take action. Palin in fact is another example of how
> > > > McCain is not making sensible decisions and is not the best person for
> > > > the job. He really lost it somewhere.  The election of Obama will show
> > > > the strides this country has made in overcoming ignorant bigotry that
> > > > elevate the country above it's past.  Otherwise we are no better than
> > > > that of any other country full of racist dictators and genocidal
> > > > practice.  Our nation needs to end discrimination against people based
> > > > on gender, race or creed.
>
> > > > On Oct 20, 6:39 am, creusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Of all the sexist remarks, this one takes the first prize!!
>
> > > > > Now I have less than nil respect for Palin but to suggest that no
> > > > > woman can hold high office because of her children is just not
> > > > > acceptable in 2008. Have you not heard of nannies, husbands, family,
> > > > > etc?
>
> > > > > On Oct 20, 1:55 am, studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Oct 19, 8:42 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > She didn't pull anything off other than watch the fun poked at her
> > > > > > > while the audience laughed at the truth of her ineptness.  
> > > > > > > Instead of
> > > > > > > facing the issues concerning Americans she is busy Clowning 
> > > > > > > around on
> > > > > > > SNL.  What the hell is going to do as a president of there is a 
> > > > > > > major
> > > > > > > crisis, do comedy skits?  
>
> > > > > > What's a more concerning question would be about her young kids...
>
> > > > > > If there was a major crisis and her young kids also had a major
> > > > > > problem or sickness...
> > > > > > what would come first?
>
> > > > > > Rugged individualism dictates that you take care of your own
> > > > > > first...and that ain't good.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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Re: If Sarah Palin can pull off her appearance on SNL

[WarpTen]

PS: Chaney is a corporate scumbag who took care of all his corporate
friends at Halliburton, of which you should know he was the top dog.
He is no better than any other scumbag that ran Enron that left people
who worked all their lives in a dedication role to the company without
a dime. I'm sure you know that Halliburton received all the Contracts
in Iraq without any other outside bids. You do know that don't you? I
don't think you know the half of it really otherwise you wouldn't be
stroking the rods of these assholes who have buried you, your children
and your grandchildren in mounds of debt.
There is something seriously wrong with the minds of people who work
nine to five jobs and vote republican!


On Oct 21, 4:28 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You assume McCain will not be able to serve out his term. Repeat:
> McCain's mother is in her mid 90's and sharp as a tack. Cheney has had
> greater influence than any vice-president. Maybe LBJ, also. However,
> what do you think blathering Biden would be like as president? Or
> think back to long winded HHH. No- this is a sexist attack on a
> certain kind of American female by liberal snobs, militant feminists
> and the media- the latter which enthrones their bimbos on a 24/7
> basis.
>
> On Oct 21, 6:34 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I did not emphasize any degree of distraction such as you are
> > injecting. I'm differentiating distraction from sexism as perceived
> > by creusa.
>
> > Palin is already distracted and acting like a goof ball. Having her as
> > commander in chief would only encourage hostile entities to attack us.
> > I though more about McCain before he totally lost his mind with his
> > choice of running mate. There are so many more politically
> > experienced women he could have chosen.
>
> > On Oct 20, 10:16 am, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > In terms of distractions, dealing with a life and death situation with
> > > your spouse is not the same as raising children.
>
> > > If raising children is too much of a distraction, then why isn't it a
> > > problem for Obama?
>
> > > On Oct 20, 11:07 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > It's not a matter of sexism but more so a situation of mental
> > > > distraction. Same point made during John Edwards run concerning the
> > > > condition of his wife's cancer and the ability of a President to have
> > > > full capacity in a time of serious consequence. This is a time of
> > > > serious consequence in the political arena and to disregard any
> > > > shortcomings could be disastrous. I don't want a hockey mom running
> > > > the country. I want to know that, while I'm too busy working and
> > > > taking care of my family to pay attention, there is someone in office
> > > > I could feel confident in holding the reigns. There are so many more
> > > > women in the country that have the fortitude and the good senses
> > > > necessary to take action. Palin in fact is another example of how
> > > > McCain is not making sensible decisions and is not the best person for
> > > > the job. He really lost it somewhere. The election of Obama will show
> > > > the strides this country has made in overcoming ignorant bigotry that
> > > > elevate the country above it's past. Otherwise we are no better than
> > > > that of any other country full of racist dictators and genocidal
> > > > practice. Our nation needs to end discrimination against people based
> > > > on gender, race or creed.
>
> > > > On Oct 20, 6:39 am, creusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Of all the sexist remarks, this one takes the first prize!!
>
> > > > > Now I have less than nil respect for Palin but to suggest that no
> > > > > woman can hold high office because of her children is just not
> > > > > acceptable in 2008. Have you not heard of nannies, husbands, family,
> > > > > etc?
>
> > > > > On Oct 20, 1:55 am, studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Oct 19, 8:42 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > She didn't pull anything off other than watch the fun poked at her
> > > > > > > while the audience laughed at the truth of her ineptness. Instead 
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > facing the issues concerning Americans she is busy Clowning 
> > > > > > > a

Re: If Sarah Palin can pull off her appearance on SNL

[WarpTen]

Your in dreamland, McCain's mother could possibly outlive him and in
fact his mother is probably sharper than he. What is your problem with
acceptance? McCain's mental elevator just doesn't make it to the top
floor and Palin is a female Dan Quayle but even more stupid than 2
Quails. Did you see the news today?
She doesn't even know what the role of Vice President is
ROFLMAO!  Hahahahahahaha X 100.
You die hard republicans need to wake up and get off your racist soap
box!
This country needs to show the world that we have changed from our
sick dark past. We are no better than any country that promotes
genocide when we denigrate people who have fought for the country,
worked for this country and support this country, simply because they
have a different skin color or a different religion.
Ignorant morons are the downfall of the USA!!


On Oct 21, 4:28 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You assume McCain will not be able to serve out his term. Repeat:
> McCain's mother is in her mid 90's and sharp as a tack. Cheney has had
> greater influence than any vice-president. Maybe LBJ, also. However,
> what do you think blathering Biden would be like as president? Or
> think back to long winded HHH. No- this is a sexist attack on a
> certain kind of American female by liberal snobs, militant feminists
> and the media- the latter which enthrones their bimbos on a 24/7
> basis.
>
> On Oct 21, 6:34 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I did not emphasize any degree of distraction such as you are
> > injecting. I'm differentiating distraction from sexism as perceived
> > by creusa.
>
> > Palin is already distracted and acting like a goof ball. Having her as
> > commander in chief would only encourage hostile entities to attack us.
> > I though more about McCain before he totally lost his mind with his
> > choice of running mate. There are so many more politically
> > experienced women he could have chosen.
>
> > On Oct 20, 10:16 am, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > In terms of distractions, dealing with a life and death situation with
> > > your spouse is not the same as raising children.
>
> > > If raising children is too much of a distraction, then why isn't it a
> > > problem for Obama?
>
> > > On Oct 20, 11:07 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > It's not a matter of sexism but more so a situation of mental
> > > > distraction. Same point made during John Edwards run concerning the
> > > > condition of his wife's cancer and the ability of a President to have
> > > > full capacity in a time of serious consequence. This is a time of
> > > > serious consequence in the political arena and to disregard any
> > > > shortcomings could be disastrous. I don't want a hockey mom running
> > > > the country. I want to know that, while I'm too busy working and
> > > > taking care of my family to pay attention, there is someone in office
> > > > I could feel confident in holding the reigns. There are so many more
> > > > women in the country that have the fortitude and the good senses
> > > > necessary to take action. Palin in fact is another example of how
> > > > McCain is not making sensible decisions and is not the best person for
> > > > the job. He really lost it somewhere. The election of Obama will show
> > > > the strides this country has made in overcoming ignorant bigotry that
> > > > elevate the country above it's past. Otherwise we are no better than
> > > > that of any other country full of racist dictators and genocidal
> > > > practice. Our nation needs to end discrimination against people based
> > > > on gender, race or creed.
>
> > > > On Oct 20, 6:39 am, creusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Of all the sexist remarks, this one takes the first prize!!
>
> > > > > Now I have less than nil respect for Palin but to suggest that no
> > > > > woman can hold high office because of her children is just not
> > > > > acceptable in 2008. Have you not heard of nannies, husbands, family,
> > > > > etc?
>
> > > > > On Oct 20, 1:55 am, studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Oct 19, 8:42 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > She didn't pull anything off other than watch the fun poked at her
> > > > > > > while the audience laughed at the truth of her ineptness. Instead 
> > > > > > 

Re: If Sarah Palin can pull off her appearance on SNL

[WarpTen]

Ya Mon! On point Mon!
They are both lead weights that will drag them down to the bottom of
the pond!!
Only the ignorant morons will vote for them!!

On Oct 21, 8:03 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, but he was interested in getting the backward Christian
> philistines on side, which required him to choose a backward Christian
> philistine as a running mate, a perfect choice really.
>
> The backward Christian philistines adore her, and why they shouldn’t
> they? After all, they are as stupid and as ignorant as she is.
>
> The trouble with Palin is that normal people loathe her because she is
> an abominable reprobate. They are trying to get one out office now in
> the form of the illiterate Bush, they are not about to replace him
> with someone who’s IQ is possibly less than his.
>
> On Oct 21, 10:34 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I did not emphasize any degree of distraction such as you are
> > injecting.  I'm differentiating distraction from sexism as perceived
> > by creusa.
>
> > Palin is already distracted and acting like a goof ball. Having her as
> > commander in chief would only encourage hostile entities to attack us.
> > I though more about McCain before he totally lost his mind with his
> > choice of running mate.  There are so many more politically
> > experienced women he could have chosen.
>
> > On Oct 20, 10:16 am, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > In terms of distractions, dealing with a life and death situation with
> > > your spouse is not the same as raising children.
>
> > > If raising children is too much of a distraction, then why isn't it a
> > > problem for Obama?
>
> > > On Oct 20, 11:07 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > It's not a matter of sexism but more so a situation of mental
> > > > distraction.  Same point made during John Edwards run concerning the
> > > > condition of his wife's cancer and the ability of a President to have
> > > > full capacity in a time of serious consequence.  This is a time of
> > > > serious consequence in the political arena and to disregard any
> > > > shortcomings could be disastrous. I don't want a hockey mom running
> > > > the country.  I want to know that, while I'm too busy working and
> > > > taking care of my family to pay attention, there is someone in office
> > > > I could feel confident in holding the reigns. There are so many more
> > > > women in the country that have the fortitude and the good senses
> > > > necessary to take action. Palin in fact is another example of how
> > > > McCain is not making sensible decisions and is not the best person for
> > > > the job. He really lost it somewhere.  The election of Obama will show
> > > > the strides this country has made in overcoming ignorant bigotry that
> > > > elevate the country above it's past.  Otherwise we are no better than
> > > > that of any other country full of racist dictators and genocidal
> > > > practice.  Our nation needs to end discrimination against people based
> > > > on gender, race or creed.
>
> > > > On Oct 20, 6:39 am, creusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Of all the sexist remarks, this one takes the first prize!!
>
> > > > > Now I have less than nil respect for Palin but to suggest that no
> > > > > woman can hold high office because of her children is just not
> > > > > acceptable in 2008. Have you not heard of nannies, husbands, family,
> > > > > etc?
>
> > > > > On Oct 20, 1:55 am, studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Oct 19, 8:42 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > She didn't pull anything off other than watch the fun poked at her
> > > > > > > while the audience laughed at the truth of her ineptness.  
> > > > > > > Instead of
> > > > > > > facing the issues concerning Americans she is busy Clowning 
> > > > > > > around on
> > > > > > > SNL.  What the hell is going to do as a president of there is a 
> > > > > > > major
> > > > > > > crisis, do comedy skits?  
>
> > > > > > What's a more concerning question would be about her young kids...
>
> > > > > > If there was a major crisis and her young kids also had a major
> > > > > > problem or sickness...
> > > > > > what would come first?
>
> > > > > > Rugged individualism dictates that you take care of your own
> > > > > > first...and that ain't good.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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Re: If Sarah Palin can pull off her appearance on SNL

[WarpTen]

I did not emphasize any degree of distraction such as you are
injecting.  I'm differentiating distraction from sexism as perceived
by creusa.

Palin is already distracted and acting like a goof ball. Having her as
commander in chief would only encourage hostile entities to attack us.
I though more about McCain before he totally lost his mind with his
choice of running mate.  There are so many more politically
experienced women he could have chosen.


On Oct 20, 10:16 am, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In terms of distractions, dealing with a life and death situation with
> your spouse is not the same as raising children.
>
> If raising children is too much of a distraction, then why isn't it a
> problem for Obama?
>
> On Oct 20, 11:07 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It's not a matter of sexism but more so a situation of mental
> > distraction.  Same point made during John Edwards run concerning the
> > condition of his wife's cancer and the ability of a President to have
> > full capacity in a time of serious consequence.  This is a time of
> > serious consequence in the political arena and to disregard any
> > shortcomings could be disastrous. I don't want a hockey mom running
> > the country.  I want to know that, while I'm too busy working and
> > taking care of my family to pay attention, there is someone in office
> > I could feel confident in holding the reigns. There are so many more
> > women in the country that have the fortitude and the good senses
> > necessary to take action. Palin in fact is another example of how
> > McCain is not making sensible decisions and is not the best person for
> > the job. He really lost it somewhere.  The election of Obama will show
> > the strides this country has made in overcoming ignorant bigotry that
> > elevate the country above it's past.  Otherwise we are no better than
> > that of any other country full of racist dictators and genocidal
> > practice.  Our nation needs to end discrimination against people based
> > on gender, race or creed.
>
> > On Oct 20, 6:39 am, creusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Of all the sexist remarks, this one takes the first prize!!
>
> > > Now I have less than nil respect for Palin but to suggest that no
> > > woman can hold high office because of her children is just not
> > > acceptable in 2008. Have you not heard of nannies, husbands, family,
> > > etc?
>
> > > On Oct 20, 1:55 am, studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 19, 8:42 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > She didn't pull anything off other than watch the fun poked at her
> > > > > while the audience laughed at the truth of her ineptness.  Instead of
> > > > > facing the issues concerning Americans she is busy Clowning around on
> > > > > SNL.  What the hell is going to do as a president of there is a major
> > > > > crisis, do comedy skits?  
>
> > > > What's a more concerning question would be about her young kids...
>
> > > > If there was a major crisis and her young kids also had a major
> > > > problem or sickness...
> > > > what would come first?
>
> > > > Rugged individualism dictates that you take care of your own
> > > > first...and that ain't good.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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Re: If Sarah Palin can pull off her appearance on SNL

[WarpTen]

It's not a matter of sexism but more so a situation of mental
distraction.  Same point made during John Edwards run concerning the
condition of his wife's cancer and the ability of a President to have
full capacity in a time of serious consequence.  This is a time of
serious consequence in the political arena and to disregard any
shortcomings could be disastrous. I don't want a hockey mom running
the country.  I want to know that, while I'm too busy working and
taking care of my family to pay attention, there is someone in office
I could feel confident in holding the reigns. There are so many more
women in the country that have the fortitude and the good senses
necessary to take action. Palin in fact is another example of how
McCain is not making sensible decisions and is not the best person for
the job. He really lost it somewhere.  The election of Obama will show
the strides this country has made in overcoming ignorant bigotry that
elevate the country above it's past.  Otherwise we are no better than
that of any other country full of racist dictators and genocidal
practice.  Our nation needs to end discrimination against people based
on gender, race or creed.

On Oct 20, 6:39 am, creusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of all the sexist remarks, this one takes the first prize!!
>
> Now I have less than nil respect for Palin but to suggest that no
> woman can hold high office because of her children is just not
> acceptable in 2008. Have you not heard of nannies, husbands, family,
> etc?
>
> On Oct 20, 1:55 am, studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 19, 8:42 pm, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > She didn't pull anything off other than watch the fun poked at her
> > > while the audience laughed at the truth of her ineptness.  Instead of
> > > facing the issues concerning Americans she is busy Clowning around on
> > > SNL.  What the hell is going to do as a president of there is a major
> > > crisis, do comedy skits?  
>
> > What's a more concerning question would be about her young kids...
>
> > If there was a major crisis and her young kids also had a major
> > problem or sickness...
> > what would come first?
>
> > Rugged individualism dictates that you take care of your own
> > first...and that ain't good.
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Re: If Sarah Palin can pull off her appearance on SNL

[WarpTen]

She didn't pull anything off other than watch the fun poked at her
while the audience laughed at the truth of her ineptness.  Instead of
facing the issues concerning Americans she is busy Clowning around on
SNL.  What the hell is going to do as a president of there is a major
crisis, do comedy skits?  She already comes off as a stand up comic as
it is. I think McCain would be much better off if he would have picked
someone with more integrity. Palin is a Joke!

On Oct 18, 5:45 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> she will display the proper courage and fortitude to become Commander
> in Chief, if necessary. Good luck, Sarah!
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Re: Obama's Life

[WarpTen]

It's all full of unproven and misleading innuendo. There is a great
deal of bogus emails going about for the purpose of slander and voter
swaying.

McCain already acknowledged that Obama was a decent man aside from
being  a US Senator and that we should not be afraid of him becoming
President.



On Oct 15, 10:19 pm, Philobealo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> An email I received tonight:
>
> This election has me very worried. So many things to consider. About a
> year
>
>
>
> > ago I would have voted for Obama. I have changed my mind three times since
> > than. I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another. I must say
> > this drives my husband crazy. But, I feel if you view MSNBC, CNN, and Fox
> > News, you might get some middle ground to work with. About six months ago, I
> > started thinking 'where did the money come from for Obama'. I have four
> > daughters who went to College, and we were middle class, and money was
> > tight. We (including my girls) worked hard and there were lots of student
> > loans.
>
> > I started looking into Obama's life.
>
> > Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California . He is very
> > open about his two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs and was
> > wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not apply
> > himself to his studies. 'Barry' (that was the name he used all his life)
> > during this time had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid,
> > both from Pakistan .
>
> > During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a
> > 'round the world' trip. Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia , next
> > Hyderabad in India , three weeks in Karachi , Pakistan where he stayed with
> > his roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his father's family. My
> > question - Where did he get the money for this trip? Nether I, nor any one
> > of my children would have had money for a trip like this when they where in
> > college.
>
> > When he came back he started school at Columbia University in New York . It
> > is at this time he wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry. Do you
> > know what the tuition is at Columbia ? It's not cheap to say the least!
> > Where did he get money for tuition? Student Loans? Maybe. After Columbia ,
> > he went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000 a year. Why
> > Chicago ? Why not New York ? He was already living in New York .
>
> > By 'chance' he met Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria , and a real
> > estate developer in Chicago . Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery
> > this year. Rezko, was named 'Entrepreneur of the Decade' by the
> > Arab-American Business and Professional Association'. About two years later,
> > Obama entered Harvard Law School . Do you have any idea what tuition is for
> > Harvard Law School ? Where did he get the money for Law School ? More 
> > student
> > loans? After Law school, he went back to Chicago . Rezko offered him a job,
> > which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill &
> > Galland. Guess what? They represented 'Rezar' which is Rezko's firm. Rezko
> > was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for office
> > in Chicago . In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which
> > Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in
> > providing Obama with 'seed money' for his U.S. Senate race.
>
> > In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwood District of Chicago for $1.65
> > million (less than asking price). With ALL those Student Loans - Where did
> > he get the money for the property? On the same day Rezko's wife, Rita,
> > purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London Times reported
> > that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5 million three
> > weeks before Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many
> > times with Rezko.
>
> > Now, we have Obama running for President. Valerie Jarrett, was Michele
> > Obama's boss. She is now Obama's chief advisor and he does not make any
> > major decisions without talking to her first. Where was Jarrett born? Ready
> > for this? Shiraz , Iran ! Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?
>
> > On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley, advisor to Obama, was
> > 'sacked' after the press found out he was having regular contacts with
> > 'Hamas', which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran . This past week,
> > buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that during
> > Obama's visit to Iraq , he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war
> > until after he is elected, and he will 'Take care of things'.
>
> > Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that where born in
> > Pakistan ? They are in charge of all those 'small' Internet campaign
> > contributions for Obama. Where is that money coming from? The poor and
> > middle class in this country? Or could it be from the M

Re: Obama Rips Off Bush's Ideas... and Calls Them His Own.

[WarpTen]

Mr. Kamakazee, first let me clarify what I meant about the VP race.
Sure they are secondary but the real issue I'm presenting is that
McCain may die from health complications, he is the oldest ever, which
will leave Palin in charge (if you want to call it that), and Obama
may be the victim of a assassination attack and even more so now that
McCain and Palin have been painting him a fear factor beyond his
color, basically the affiliation with domestic terrorism(totally
ridiculous), which will leave Biden in charge (more capable than
Palin).  As an aside I would like to present that the Bush family has
also been associated with supporting the terrorist Nazi cause >
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar < and
conspiracy theories concerning the 9/11 attacks >
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories <  These are not
fabrications without a shred of believability but anyone reading the
entire article would have to wonder.
Secondly if you want to present hearsay, at least back it up with some
type of validating evidence.  What proof do you have that Biden was
ripping off, or plagiarizing the speech of someone else?  As far as
him saying Obama was not ready to serve I will not only reiterate my
earlier comment that politicians will say anything when they are
running for office but also add that through the obvious stance of
Biden as running mate to Obama clearly reinforces my assertion that
all politicians are full of crap.
Government only exists because people are stupid enough to think that
we need someone else to run our lives, to tell us what to do, to tell
us how to raise our children, to tell us what food we should eat and
how much of it we should eat. Think about it!
I declare that we do not need government but only our elders that know
what is best for us.  We have been raped long enough by the rich
persuasive segment of society that dupes us into believing the we need
them to live. We don't need them, they are a facade and an illusion.
They position themselves as the slave masters of society.
We argue amongst ourselves because we live in a world of fear based on
the worry about what is going to happen to our children and the
children of the future. They keep us so busy trying to survive, while
they live lives of opulence and grandeur, that we don't have time to
do anything other than go to work and fork over a huge sum of our
earnings to support their extravagant lifestyles.  Imagine that you
work 3 months of your life away and every penny you make in that 3
months goes to support those pigs that have millions in the bank and
still have the nerve to collect a salary.  Why in hell does GW or any
of his predecessors deserve to draw extravagant salaries while you
struggle to put food on the table and gas in your vehicle, the one
that you drive everyday to earn money to send to those fat cat
politicians?  Do you have any idea what tax payers fork over for the
"Presidential Library"?  Well I think they could take their $17
million dollar library and stuff it up their ass. Who are these
people? Haven't our parents and grandparents given enough money to
these assholes??
Government functions on dysfunction, and they know that, so the minute
government functions well they know that we don't need them anymore.
So the obvious conclusion is to keep screwing up everything and keep
the people in a quandary so that government seems to be the answer to
all the problems, not the cause.
Every Goddamn election year these morons get up on the soap box and
tell us how they are going to fix the problems that the previous
morons created. I'm just wondering why in hundreds of years they
haven't been fixed yet.
You want the sad truth? They are never going to be fixed!  It is
simply Politicians "Job Security".

On Oct 14, 8:04 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Eh?  I agree with your first comment but disagree with you others.  I
> think the VPs are for show and not much more.  But if you want to have
> a substantive debate of Biden vs. Palin I think the first stop is back
> in the 80s and even before (Biden's pre-plug days) when he was ripping
> off other peoples' speeches and claiming them as his own (dating back
> to lawschool). From there speed up to a few months ago when he said
> Obaaama was not ready to serve.
>
> On Oct 14, 7:48 am, WarpTen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Politicians historically "say anything" to get elected.  Its the
> > nature of politics, tell them what they want to hear and then once
> > your in you can do whatever you want.
>
> > The question, the only question is how many people are going to fall
> > for all the BUllSHit.
>
> > The reality as I see it is the election is about the VP position which
> > moves into the #1 seat.   With that perspective anyone can see that
>

Re: Obama Rips Off Bush's Ideas... and Calls Them His Own.

[WarpTen]

Politicians historically "say anything" to get elected.  Its the
nature of politics, tell them what they want to hear and then once
your in you can do whatever you want.

The question, the only question is how many people are going to fall
for all the BUllSHit.

The reality as I see it is the election is about the VP position which
moves into the #1 seat.   With that perspective anyone can see that
Palin is Paltry next to Biden.  I don't know what people see in the
woman that gives the impression that she will make a great President
of the United States.

The woman is the subject of SNL comedy skits and fodder for every late
night show. She's a good Cupie Doll but that's about it.

On Oct 13, 2:50 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems Obama will "say" anything to get Elected...
>
> The trick is to LOOK at his Record, so you can SEE what he will in
> fact do.
>
> On Oct 13, 12:44 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > He can't get elected otherwise:
>
> > "Commentary: Obama and Bush are not so far apart
> > Story Highlights
>
> > WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Since Barack Obama incessantly makes the case that
> > a John McCain administration would equate to another Bush term, it's
> > worth looking at just how much Sen. Obama himself is in agreement with
> > the unpopular president.
>
> > Does that mean that he, too, would be a repeat of President Bush? If
> > one were to apply his logic, maybe so.
>
> > Here are 20 reasons why:
>
> > 1. Abstinence: Bush expanded community-based abstinence education
> > during his term, including a $28 million budget increase for 2009 in
> > an effort to "Teach both abstinence and contraception to teens." Obama
> > concurred in April when he said: "We want to make sure that, even as
> > we are teaching responsible sexuality and we are teaching abstinence
> > to children, that we are also making sure that they've got enough
> > understanding about contraception."
>
> > 2. Affirmative action: Bush said of the 2003 University of Michigan
> > affirmative action case: "I strongly support diversity of all kinds,
> > including racial diversity in higher education. But the method used by
> > the University of Michigan to achieve this important goal is
> > fundamentally flawed" -- because it depended solely on race. Bush has
> > said other factors, such as socioeconomic status, should be
> > considered, which would include poor white students.
>
> > Obama now agrees with that view. "Inside Higher Ed" referred in May to
> > "Obama's suggestion that he may be ready to change the focus of
> > affirmative action policies in higher education -- away from race to
> > economic class. ... In his debate in Philadelphia with Hillary
> > Clinton, he said in response to a question, that his own privileged
> > daughters do not deserve affirmative action preferences, and that
> > working-class students of all colors do."
>
> > 3. Budgets: Obama voted for Bush's budgets, which included 19 spending
> > bills.
>
> > 4. Capital punishment: Like Bush, Obama supports capital punishment.
> > He spoke out in opposition to the recent Supreme Court decision that
> > denied the death penalty for child rapists. And in his 2006 memoir,
> > Obama said, "I believe there are some crimes -- mass murder, the rape
> > and murder of a child -- so heinous that the community is justified in
> > expressing the full measure of its outrage by meting out the ultimate
> > punishment."
>
> > 5. Education: Obama supports charter schools, as does Bush, and merit
> > pay for teachers, and he voted in favor of supporting the president's
> > 21st Century Community Learning Centers.
>
> > 6. Economics: Obama told reporters that he agreed with Treasury
> > Secretary Henry Paulson and Bush's bailout package, then voted for the
> > $700 billion plan. And despite routinely criticizing "the Bush tax
> > cuts," Obama is now offering tax cuts of his own (although only for
> > the 95 percent of taxpayers earning less than $250,000 a year). What a
> > concept!
>
> > 7. Energy: In signing the $12.3 billion Energy Policy Act of 2005,
> > Bush said it "promotes dependable, affordable, and environmentally
> > sound production and distribution of energy for America's future."
> > Obama voted for the energy plan and called it a "first step toward
> > decreasing America's dependence on foreign oil."
>
> > 8. Faith-based initiatives/fatherhood: Bush is well known for his
> > commitment to the faith-based community -- with initiatives for the
> > poor and on fatherhood -- and he expanded the ability to allow faith-
> > based providers a seat at the funding table. Obama, who has railed
> > against Bush's efforts, has still found a way to embrace them, saying
> > he would "expand" faith-based initiatives. He used his Father's Day
> > speech to echo the president's Fatherhood Initiative.
>
> > 9. FISA: Of the Senate bill passage that rewrote intelligence laws to
> > grant immunity to telecommunications companies that participated in
> > the B

Re: Obama tax cut 'refunds' those who don't pay

[WarpTen]

It is clear that the Republicans have ruined the country. Life was
much better before Bush got us on a spiraling downward economic
trend.

McCain is likely to drop dead before the end of his first term and
anyone who thinks Palin can lead this country is insane!

McCain's mind is shot and hazy and his wife is cold fish.



On Oct 13, 11:56 pm, VT Sean Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LMAO, with thinking like that no wonder the country is in the shiter
> and
> McCain is fucked and Palin was caught!
>
> On Oct 13, 10:21 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > No, Democrats did it to cover their tracks...
>
> > Republicans did it because it was the best they were going to get to
> > help their consituents.
>
> > On Oct 13, 7:08 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Gaar,
>
> > > And it was the Repiblicans in the first proposal that desperately
> > > tried to make no limits on CEO compensation one of the conditions.
>
> > > Oh i see, the Democrats that voted for the bail-out did it out of evil
> > > intent, where the poor hapless and helpless Republicans did it "as if
> > > they had a gun to there head", the poor babies had "no choice".
> > > Always the powerless victums.
> > > You live in your own version of reality lad.
>
> > > On Oct 13, 8:13 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Some did...
>
> > > > And likely many did it as if a Gun were being held to their Head, and
> > > > they had no choice.
>
> > > > It was Obama and the Democrats trying to get $20 BILLION written into
> > > > the Legislation to go to ACORN, who is now being Investigated by the
> > > > Feds...
>
> > > > You understand that, right?
>
> > > > On Oct 13, 5:56 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > gaar,
>
> > > > > Sure is. Who's spent more money and expanded the national debt more
> > > > > than this administration? The republicans joined hands with the
> > > > > Democrats in this most recent $700 Billion PLUS raid on the Treasury.
>
> > > > > On Oct 13, 7:02 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Oct 13, 4:59 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Only because there's more of them. :-)
>
> > > > > > Nope, even when compared as a percentage...
>
> > > > > > So now it is "acting like a Republican" when Democrats go off on 
> > > > > > their
> > > > > > spending sprees?!?!?!?!?- Hide quoted text -
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Re: Obama tax cut 'refunds' those who don't pay

[WarpTen]

Exactly!
Just ignorant dem bashers that are in Denial about how Bush has run
this country into the ground while the wealthy were elevated to higher
levels.  Bush protected the credit card companies long ago and now he
wants to make sure his banking buddies get relief.

You hand your money over to the feds and they give it to the banks
that "Lend You Your Own Money at a High Interest Rate", and they are
all getting rich over the process.Where's the logic in that?

If they were so worried about housing foreclosure they could had paid
money directly to the people to pay down their mortgage.  Instead they
want tax payers to give money to wealthy wall street flunkies who are
walking away with millions.

The bailout put everyone at least another $10,000 more into debt on
top of the already over $33,000 per person debt.
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Bush put us over TEN Trillion in the hole.  Wake up!  Only the
rich and the idiots vote Republican.

Unfortunately we can't do much for the stupid people of the world.



On Oct 13, 8:14 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And yet neither of you clowns had a problem with Bush's "rebates" or a
> $700 billion PLUS welfare check to Wall Street and the financial
> industry.
>
> On Oct 13, 5:55 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > not to mention taxing small businesses out of existence.
>
> > On Oct 13, 6:54 am, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > But B-HO fails to mention that he will let the bush tax cuts expire which
> > > will give 100% of taxpayers a tax increase.
>
> > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 5:27 AM, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Barack Obama says he will give 95 percent of all American workers a
> > > > tax cut but does not mention that his plan would send checks to tens
> > > > of millions of tax filers who pay no personal income taxes - payments
> > > > that critics say look "suspiciously like welfare."
>
> > > > Mr. Obama's campaign promise, which he has repeated in his speeches
> > > > and in the presidential debates, stems from his "Making Work Pay" tax
> > > > cut that will give a $500 refundable tax credit to every worker or
> > > > $1,000 to each working couple. But because this provision in his
> > > > economic-recovery plan is "refundable," a large number of middle- to
> > > > lower-income workers who have no income-tax liability after taking tax
> > > > credits and deductions the that Internal Revenue Service allows, will
> > > > be given the equivalent of the tax cut in the form of direct payments
> > > > from the U.S. Treasury - funded by higher-income taxpayers.
>
> > > > Because the IRS says that nearly 46 million tax filers - one-third of
> > > > all filers - had no tax liability in 2006, there is the question of
> > > > how millions of Americans can receive an income "tax cut" when they
> > > > pay no taxes.
>
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Buy Out = Sell Out

[WarpTen]

We've been sold a bill of goods.  America has been sold out.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=79a_112355

Corporate scum runs the government.

It's been 8 years of Bull Shit.  Where are we now?

It doesn't matter who get's elected anymore. The country is bankrupt.

The national debt is astronomical.   http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

This is a country?

Who owns it?

Heads need to roll

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