Re: postfix to mailman: User doesn't exist/relay access denied

[wilfried.es...@essignetz.de]

Hi Walter,


would suggest to expand "mydestination" by "lists.ifkuk.org".



Willi


Am 01.02.2016 um 00:21 schrieb wal...@ifkuk.org:
> Hey guys
> 
> since three days I am stuck with a problem and it seems to me I am blind
> for the solution by digging
> into it so much, so I need your help to have a look at it please!
> 
> our server is up and running dovecot/postfix on debian 8 for three years
> by now, without any problems.
> 
> I urgently needed to set up some mailinglists and choose mailman for it
> (what else?).
> 
> I thought everything went fine till I tried to test my installation and
> discovered that,
> when I try to send from an internal emailaddress (managed by the server
> itself) I get an
> "User doesn't exist" error and if I send an email from an external
> service like gmail,
> I get "relay access denied".
> 
> Like I've said, I tried to fix this problem for over three days now and
> can't see my mistake.
> 
> I uploaded my config files at HowtoForge, where you can have a look at it:
> https://www.howtoforge.com/community/threads/postfix-mailman-debian8.72052/
> 
> 
> Greetings and thank you in advance for your help
> Walter
> 

postfix to mailman: User doesn't exist/relay access denied

[wal...@ifkuk.org]

Hey guys

since three days I am stuck with a problem and it seems to me I am blind
for the solution by digging
into it so much, so I need your help to have a look at it please!

our server is up and running dovecot/postfix on debian 8 for three years
by now, without any problems.

I urgently needed to set up some mailinglists and choose mailman for it
(what else?).

I thought everything went fine till I tried to test my installation and
discovered that,
when I try to send from an internal emailaddress (managed by the server
itself) I get an
"User doesn't exist" error and if I send an email from an external
service like gmail,
I get "relay access denied".

Like I've said, I tried to fix this problem for over three days now and
can't see my mistake.

I uploaded my config files at HowtoForge, where you can have a look at it:
https://www.howtoforge.com/community/threads/postfix-mailman-debian8.72052/


Greetings and thank you in advance for your help
Walter

Re: postfix to mailman: User doesn't exist/relay access denied

[wal...@ifkuk.org]

  
  
dead steven

i ve just checked, bot variables virtual_alias_maps and
virtual_email2email point to the file
/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual_mailman,
which contains:

mail...@lists.ifkuk.org  mailman
mailman-ad...@lists.ifkuk.org    mailman-admin
mailman-boun...@lists.ifkuk.org  mailman-bounces
mailman-conf...@lists.ifkuk.org  mailman-confirm
mailman-j...@lists.ifkuk.org mailman-join
mailman-le...@lists.ifkuk.org    mailman-leave
mailman-ow...@lists.ifkuk.org    mailman-owner
mailman-requ...@lists.ifkuk.org  mailman-request
mailman-subscr...@lists.ifkuk.org    mailman-subscribe
mailman-unsubscr...@lists.ifkuk.org  mailman-unsubscribe

t...@lists.ifkuk.org  test
test-ad...@lists.ifkuk.org    test-admin
test-boun...@lists.ifkuk.org  test-bounces
test-conf...@lists.ifkuk.org  test-confirm
test-j...@lists.ifkuk.org test-join
test-le...@lists.ifkuk.org    test-leave
test-ow...@lists.ifkuk.org    test-owner
test-requ...@lists.ifkuk.org  test-request
test-subscr...@lists.ifkuk.org    test-subscribe
test-unsubscr...@lists.ifkuk.org  test-unsubscribe

i ve followed a howto when doing so, the marked as solution answer@
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27431010/postfix-mailman-recipient-address-rejected-user-unknown-in-local-recipient-tab

so what you are saying is, that i need an entry like
"*@lists.ifkuk.org XXX" ?
but to where should i forward it to? "mailman:"?

thx for pointing out the debug level, will check it asap!


thank you for your time
walter

On 2016-02-01 03:28, Steven Kiehl
  wrote:


  Not having used Mailman in a Postfix setup before,
I can only speculate a bit.  From what I can tell, all your mail
is delivering through the dovecot transport and no transport
designation is being performed for the mailman address aliases. 
I'm not familiar with a virtual_email2email configuration
option.  Do your list addresses map to anything in your
virtual_mailbox_maps configuration? That is, do they map to a
real address defined in virtual_mailbox_maps?


For me, aliases in virtual_alias_maps map to real addresses
  in virtual_mailbox_maps, and then map to transports in
  transport_maps where they get passed off to the appropriate
  handler.  I would imagine the mailman addresses need to be
  mapped in virtual_mailbox_maps and handed off via
  transport_maps.


Also, have you tried raising the debug level to diagnose
  the hand-off in logs?
  
  
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 6:21 PM, wal...@ifkuk.org
  
  wrote:
  Hey guys

since three days I am stuck with a problem and it seems to
me I am blind
for the solution by digging
into it so much, so I need your help to have a look at it
please!

our server is up and running dovecot/postfix on debian 8 for
three years
by now, without any problems.

I urgently needed to set up some mailinglists and choose
mailman for it
(what else?).

I thought everything went fine till I tried to test my
installation and
discovered that,
when I try to send from an internal emailaddress (managed by
the server
itself) I get an
"User doesn't exist" error and if I send an email from an
external
service like gmail,
I get "relay access denied".

Like I've said, I tried to fix this problem for over three
days now and
can't see my mistake.

I uploaded my config files at HowtoForge, where you can have
a look at it:
https://www.howtoforge.com/community/threads/postfix-mailman-debian8.72052/


Greetings and thank you in advance for your help
Walter
  


  


  

Re: postfix to mailman: User doesn't exist/relay access denied

[Steven Kiehl]

Another thing to try is running the 'postfix check' command to test if
there are any obvious configuration errors.  As I said before, I'm not
familiar with a 'virtual_email2email' configuration, which is not
documented on the Postfix website; I believe people just use that as their
alias map configuration file name.

I'd have to defer to someone else mroe familiar with Mailman, but do you
know if it works to add 'hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman' to the
'virtual_mailbox_maps' configuration to basically add the mailman addresses
in as real addresses instead of aliases, then set up a transport_maps
configuration for them.

virtual_mailbox_maps = proxy:pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql-virtual_mailboxes.cf,
hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

A number of support forums suggest the following type of configuration for
'transport_maps'. Most put the virtual-mailman in the virtual_alias_maps,
but it really comes down to being able to find the address somewhere as
valid before sending it to a designated transport.

transport_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/transport-mailman,
proxy:pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql-virtual_transports.cf

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 9:43 PM, wal...@ifkuk.org  wrote:

> dead steven
>
> i ve just checked, bot variables virtual_alias_maps and
> virtual_email2email point to the file /var/lib/mailman/data/virtual_mailman,
> which contains:
>
> mail...@lists.ifkuk.org  mailman
> mailman-ad...@lists.ifkuk.orgmailman-admin
> mailman-boun...@lists.ifkuk.org  mailman-bounces
> mailman-conf...@lists.ifkuk.org  mailman-confirm
> mailman-j...@lists.ifkuk.org mailman-join
> mailman-le...@lists.ifkuk.orgmailman-leave
> mailman-ow...@lists.ifkuk.orgmailman-owner
> mailman-requ...@lists.ifkuk.org  mailman-request
> mailman-subscr...@lists.ifkuk.orgmailman-subscribe
> mailman-unsubscr...@lists.ifkuk.org  mailman-unsubscribe
>
> t...@lists.ifkuk.org  test
> test-ad...@lists.ifkuk.orgtest-admin
> test-boun...@lists.ifkuk.org  test-bounces
> test-conf...@lists.ifkuk.org  test-confirm
> test-j...@lists.ifkuk.org test-join
> test-le...@lists.ifkuk.orgtest-leave
> test-ow...@lists.ifkuk.orgtest-owner
> test-requ...@lists.ifkuk.org  test-request
> test-subscr...@lists.ifkuk.orgtest-subscribe
> test-unsubscr...@lists.ifkuk.org  test-unsubscribe
>
> i ve followed a howto when doing so, the marked as solution answer@
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27431010/postfix-mailman-recipient-address-rejected-user-unknown-in-local-recipient-tab
>
> so what you are saying is, that i need an entry like "*@lists.ifkuk.org
> XXX" <*@lists.ifkuk.orgXXX> ?
> but to where should i forward it to? "mailman:"?
>
> thx for pointing out the debug level, will check it asap!
>
>
> thank you for your time
> walter
>
>
> On 2016-02-01 03:28, Steven Kiehl wrote:
>
> Not having used Mailman in a Postfix setup before, I can only speculate a
> bit.  From what I can tell, all your mail is delivering through the dovecot
> transport and no transport designation is being performed for the mailman
> address aliases.  I'm not familiar with a virtual_email2email configuration
> option.  Do your list addresses map to anything in your
> virtual_mailbox_maps configuration? That is, do they map to a real address
> defined in virtual_mailbox_maps?
>
> For me, aliases in virtual_alias_maps map to real addresses in
> virtual_mailbox_maps, and then map to transports in transport_maps where
> they get passed off to the appropriate handler.  I would imagine the
> mailman addresses need to be mapped in virtual_mailbox_maps and handed off
> via transport_maps.
>
> Also, have you tried raising the debug level to diagnose the hand-off in
> logs?
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 6:21 PM, wal...@ifkuk.org <
> wal...@ifkuk.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey guys
>>
>> since three days I am stuck with a problem and it seems to me I am blind
>> for the solution by digging
>> into it so much, so I need your help to have a look at it please!
>>
>> our server is up and running dovecot/postfix on debian 8 for three years
>> by now, without any problems.
>>
>> I urgently needed to set up some mailinglists and choose mailman for it
>> (what else?).
>>
>> I thought everything went fine till I tried to test my installation and
>> discovered that,
>> when I try to send from an internal emailaddress (managed by the server
>> itself) I get an
>> "User doesn't exist" error and if I send an email from an external
>> service like gmail,
>> I get "relay access denied".
>>
>> Like I've said, I tried to fix this problem for over three days now and
>> can't see my mistake.
>>
>> I uploaded my config files at HowtoForge, where you can have a look at it:
>>
>> https://www.howtoforge.com/community/threads/postfix-mailman-debian8.72052/
>>
>>
>> Greetings and thank you in advance for your help
>> Walter
>>
>
>
>

Re: postfix to mailman: User doesn't exist/relay access denied

[Larry Stone]

> Mailman requires local(8) delivery via an aliases(5) file that
> belongs to the mailman user.  With any luck the OP will post actual
> configuration details to this list, rather than some website most
> readers won't bother to look at, and someone how knows Postfix<->mailman
> integration will provide some help.

I expect the poster will get better help on the Mailman Users list 
(https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users/ for information). 
There are lots of people who use Mailman with Postfix there.

In a standard Mailman with Postfix configuration, aliases are created 
(automatically by Mailman) to pipe the Mailman addresses to the proper Mailman 
program. Postfix transports are not involved (however, there are a lot of 
non-standard Mailman distributions out there). It appears the OP is doing 
something non-standard.

-- 
Larry Stone
lston...@stonejongleux.com







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Re: postfix to mailman: User doesn't exist/relay access denied

[Steven Kiehl]

Not having used Mailman in a Postfix setup before, I can only speculate a
bit.  From what I can tell, all your mail is delivering through the dovecot
transport and no transport designation is being performed for the mailman
address aliases.  I'm not familiar with a virtual_email2email configuration
option.  Do your list addresses map to anything in your
virtual_mailbox_maps configuration? That is, do they map to a real address
defined in virtual_mailbox_maps?

For me, aliases in virtual_alias_maps map to real addresses in
virtual_mailbox_maps, and then map to transports in transport_maps where
they get passed off to the appropriate handler.  I would imagine the
mailman addresses need to be mapped in virtual_mailbox_maps and handed off
via transport_maps.

Also, have you tried raising the debug level to diagnose the hand-off in
logs?

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 6:21 PM, wal...@ifkuk.org  wrote:

> Hey guys
>
> since three days I am stuck with a problem and it seems to me I am blind
> for the solution by digging
> into it so much, so I need your help to have a look at it please!
>
> our server is up and running dovecot/postfix on debian 8 for three years
> by now, without any problems.
>
> I urgently needed to set up some mailinglists and choose mailman for it
> (what else?).
>
> I thought everything went fine till I tried to test my installation and
> discovered that,
> when I try to send from an internal emailaddress (managed by the server
> itself) I get an
> "User doesn't exist" error and if I send an email from an external
> service like gmail,
> I get "relay access denied".
>
> Like I've said, I tried to fix this problem for over three days now and
> can't see my mistake.
>
> I uploaded my config files at HowtoForge, where you can have a look at it:
> https://www.howtoforge.com/community/threads/postfix-mailman-debian8.72052/
>
>
> Greetings and thank you in advance for your help
> Walter
>

Re: postfix to mailman: User doesn't exist/relay access denied

[Viktor Dukhovni]

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:35:51PM -0500, Steven Kiehl wrote:

> Another thing to try is running the 'postfix check' command to test if
> there are any obvious configuration errors.

Neither the debug level suggestion nor this one are likely to be
of any use.

> I'd have to defer to someone else more familiar with Mailman, but do you
> know if it works to add 'hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman' to the
> 'virtual_mailbox_maps' configuration to basically add the mailman addresses
> in as real addresses instead of aliases, then set up a transport_maps
> configuration for them.

Mailman requires local(8) delivery via an aliases(5) file that
belongs to the mailman user.  With any luck the OP will post actual
configuration details to this list, rather than some website most
readers won't bother to look at, and someone how knows Postfix<->mailman
integration will provide some help.

-- 
Viktor.