Re: files that HTML messages create
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Does that mean that I can't use [Spam rating] as a condition for anything else? -- Andy Fragen On Thu, Apr 22, 2004, PowerMail Engineering said: Andy Fragen I get a dialog stating I have more than one filter set to act on spam. Both filters seem to be active. Is this just a warning? It's just a warning; as the spam filter assistant will act only on the first one, it can be a bit confusing if you forget that you have another one. Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - I wouldn't trade my MAC for anything, neither would I trade PowerMail for anything. Steve Tarpin, PowerMail user Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: Etiquette
harryo [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 22 April 2004 stated: Excuse me is this now a french mailing list? It's only English by default. Since PowerMail is used worldwide I would hope we would show a bit more tolerance when these posts occasionally appear. Wayne -- No people is wholly civilized where a distinction is drawn between stealing an office and stealing a purse. - Theodore Roosevelt Live DAT Music Page: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/ Wayne's Music Calendar: http://ical.mac.com/wayneb/Music PowerMail AppleScript Archives: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/powermail.html Music Currently playing: Ricky Skaggs Connemara : Ancient Tones
Re: Unable to Send
Contact TDS Metrocom and ask if they have started blocking port 25. Gave 'em a call, and they started about a week ago. The other option is to setup a sending account using metrocom's email server in PowerMail Although I'm not at home yet, I think this will work. They told me to change my outgoing mail setting to smtp.tds.net. Thanks for the advice. Tony -- Anthony R. Sanna SACO Foods, Inc. 6120 University Avenue Middleton, WI 53562 1-800-373-7226 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PM5 and AOL
Set it up as an IMAP account. Check the box to use Port 143. Your username is your AOL user name. OK. Here's what I've got. I set up a new mail account and called it AOL. In the Identity tab I put [EMAIL PROTECTED] as my AOL e-mail address, and entered my Real Name. In the Receiving tab I selected UMAP4 as the Protocol, and Sanna as the User Account ID. I left Incoming Mail Server blank (I didn't know what to put there), and left the Password field empty for the time being. I checked Use Port 143, as you suggested, however if I save the settings, close the window, and then reopen Mail Accounts again, Use Port 143 is no longer checked. What is different, is that my User Account ID has changed from Sanna to Sanna:143. Is this how it should be? As far as the Sending tab goes, I left this blank for the time being as well. If I try to then connect, I get a PM error dialog that says Incorrect setting... What else needs to be set up to make this work? Tony -- Anthony R. Sanna SACO Foods, Inc. 6120 University Avenue Middleton, WI 53562 1-800-373-7226 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etiquette
Hello, Ne serait-il pas possible, dans la version 5, de changer directement depuis le menu contextuel, lorsque l'on sélectionne un message, l'étiquette de ce dernier? De même qu'il me semble que l'on devrait pouvoir, grace au menu contextuel, le changer de place (transfert dans un autre dossier) Salutations Eric Excuse me is this now a french mailing list?
Re: files that HTML messages create
Andy Fragen *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* I get a dialog stating I have more than one filter set to act on spam. Both filters seem to be active. Is this just a warning? It's just a warning; as the spam filter assistant will act only on the first one, it can be a bit confusing if you forget that you have another one. Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - I wouldn't trade my MAC for anything, neither would I trade PowerMail for anything. Steve Tarpin, PowerMail user Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: files that HTML messages create
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* I get a dialog stating I have more than one filter set to act on spam. Both filters seem to be active. Is this just a warning? -- Andy Fragen On Thu, Apr 22, 2004, PowerMail Engineering said: Ben Kennedy wrote: Ah... maybe I see what you mean. If a msg contains attachments virus.pif and legitfile.txt, then using the PM filter will cause both to be discarded, when in reality you want to retain the second file. Yes? I was waiting for this one :-) The filters are in fact a bit smarter. Some examples: If the filter is: [spam rating] [attachment name] [ends with] [.exe] [attachment name] [ends with] [.pif] [any condition is met] [move attachments to trash] [move message into folder] [spam] then all the attachments of spam messages will be trashed, but only .exe and .pif will be trashed for non spam messages; all spam messages, and all message that contain .exe or .pif files will be moved to the spam folder. If the filter is: [spam rating] [attachment name] [ends with] [.exe] [all conditions ar met] [move attachments to trash] [move message into folder] [spam] then all spam messages that have a .exe attachment will be moved to the spam folder; if a spam message contains a .exe and a .jpg attachment, only the .exe attachment will be moved to the trash. Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - Best email client onthe mac I've seen. Fabulous! I've been usign it for years without issues in both OS9 and OSX. It runs flawlessly. PowerMail user comment on www.vesiontracker.com Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: files that HTML messages create
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Thanks Jerome. I'll have to see if I can set this up to replace the script. I assume that this will run significantly faster than my script? -- Andy Fragen On Thu, Apr 22, 2004, PowerMail Engineering said: Ben Kennedy wrote: Ah... maybe I see what you mean. If a msg contains attachments virus.pif and legitfile.txt, then using the PM filter will cause both to be discarded, when in reality you want to retain the second file. Yes? I was waiting for this one :-) The filters are in fact a bit smarter. Some examples: If the filter is: [spam rating] [attachment name] [ends with] [.exe] [attachment name] [ends with] [.pif] [any condition is met] [move attachments to trash] [move message into folder] [spam] then all the attachments of spam messages will be trashed, but only .exe and .pif will be trashed for non spam messages; all spam messages, and all message that contain .exe or .pif files will be moved to the spam folder. If the filter is: [spam rating] [attachment name] [ends with] [.exe] [all conditions ar met] [move attachments to trash] [move message into folder] [spam] then all spam messages that have a .exe attachment will be moved to the spam folder; if a spam message contains a .exe and a .jpg attachment, only the .exe attachment will be moved to the trash. Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - Best email client onthe mac I've seen. Fabulous! I've been usign it for years without issues in both OS9 and OSX. It runs flawlessly. PowerMail user comment on www.vesiontracker.com Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: Enhancement suggestion for manually marking as spam
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* OK, you're right. Using AppleScript probably isn't an average user thing. But I think you understand what I mean. Personally, resetting the label is all I think I need. Thanks for the quick follow-up. -- Andy Fragen On Thu, Apr 22, 2004, PowerMail Engineering said: Andy Fragen wrote: Your response, while accurate, is confusing. I use SpamSieve, as do many people, and to have to duplicate those scripts, whatever they may be, and check use 3rd party app is very confusing to the average user. I will add something to reset the label to none when marking a message as good. If there is something else an average user needs to do when marking a message as spam or good (?), letting him do it via an AppleScript is not an average user solution. Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - Counting in dollars and cents, CTM would have to start to charge me their fee each week before I'd seriously consider changing over to Mail.app -- that's how much PowerMail's filter and other features saves me just in mail administration time compared to Mail.app. Max Gossell, PowerMail user Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: files that HTML messages create
Ben Kennedy wrote: Ah... maybe I see what you mean. If a msg contains attachments virus.pif and legitfile.txt, then using the PM filter will cause both to be discarded, when in reality you want to retain the second file. Yes? I was waiting for this one :-) The filters are in fact a bit smarter. Some examples: If the filter is: [spam rating] [attachment name] [ends with] [.exe] [attachment name] [ends with] [.pif] [any condition is met] [move attachments to trash] [move message into folder] [spam] then all the attachments of spam messages will be trashed, but only .exe and .pif will be trashed for non spam messages; all spam messages, and all message that contain .exe or .pif files will be moved to the spam folder. If the filter is: [spam rating] [attachment name] [ends with] [.exe] [all conditions ar met] [move attachments to trash] [move message into folder] [spam] then all spam messages that have a .exe attachment will be moved to the spam folder; if a spam message contains a .exe and a .jpg attachment, only the .exe attachment will be moved to the trash. Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - Best email client onthe mac I've seen. Fabulous! I've been usign it for years without issues in both OS9 and OSX. It runs flawlessly. PowerMail user comment on www.vesiontracker.com Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: files that HTML messages create
On 22 4 2004 at 1:32 pm -0400, Andy Fragen wrote: Yes, but I can't specify which attachments as I can in the script. Ah... maybe I see what you mean. If a msg contains attachments virus.pif and legitfile.txt, then using the PM filter will cause both to be discarded, when in reality you want to retain the second file. Yes? That's a valid observation. I guess it's not a big deal for me since I don't expect to get any crap sent along with legit files (if someone is spamming or virusing me, then their entire message -- incl all attachments -- is as good as garbage to me). -b -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
Re: Unable to Send
Contact TDS Metrocom and ask if they have started blocking port 25. ISP's typically do this to prevent their users from being spammers. If Metrocom is blocking port 25 then you have 2 options. Ask catalog.com to open another listener port on their email server. I use port 2525. This is rarely blocked and works great as it is actually an old email port anyway. The other option is to setup a sending account using metrocom's email server in PowerMail that has your work return email address for when you are sending email from home.
Re: Script um Attachments zu löschen
[Andy Fragen [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 22.4.2004 um 9:37 Uhr:] I've written the following script to remove all sorts of attachments. Thank you! Nice Script (I use it with PM 4). -- http://www.subhash.at
Re: Enhancement suggestion for manually marking as spam
Andy Fragen wrote: Your response, while accurate, is confusing. I use SpamSieve, as do many people, and to have to duplicate those scripts, whatever they may be, and check use 3rd party app is very confusing to the average user. I will add something to reset the label to none when marking a message as good. If there is something else an average user needs to do when marking a message as spam or good (?), letting him do it via an AppleScript is not an average user solution. Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - Counting in dollars and cents, CTM would have to start to charge me their fee each week before I'd seriously consider changing over to Mail.app -- that's how much PowerMail's filter and other features saves me just in mail administration time compared to Mail.app. Max Gossell, PowerMail user Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: files that HTML messages create
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Yes, but I can't specify which attachments as I can in the script. All I do is set my spam script to label spam then run the Remove Listed Attachments script on everything. -- Andy Fragen On Thu, Apr 22, 2004, Ben Kennedy said: On 22 4 2004 at 12:37 pm -0400, Andy Fragen wrote: I've written the following script to remove all sorts of attachments. I call it from a filter set as Always In PM 5 you can now do this using the built-in filters, no applescript req'd. -b -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
Re: PowerMail Wish - In/Out trays
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Done. The 'count messages' portion comes from someone else's script and I don't know who to give the credit to. AppleScript property preMsg : You currently have: return property postcC : Message folders property postfC : Message Filters property postclC : Text Clippings property postsigC : Signatures property postMsgs : Messages property ret : return property bttnList : {Thanks, Put on Clipboard} property defBttn : Put on Clipboard to concatenateData(cCnt, fCnt, clCnt, sigCnt, ctMsg) return (preMsg ctMsg postMsgs ret cCnt postcC ret fCnt postfC ret clCnt postclC ret sigCnt postsigC) end concatenateData to displayTotals(statsTxt) set the dialogBttn to the button returned of (display dialog statsTxt buttons bttnList default button 2) if the dialogBttn is the defBttn then set the clipboard to the statsTxt beep end if end displayTotals tell application PowerMail 5.0b12 set the containerCnt to count message container repeat with i from 1 to containerCnt set subContainerCnt to count message containers of message container i set containerCnt to containerCnt + subContainerCnt end repeat set the filterCnt to count filters set the clipCnt to count text clippings set the sigCnt to count text signatures set ctMsg to 0 repeat with acontainer in every message container set ctMsg to ctMsg + (my count_messages(acontainer)) end repeat set the statsTxt to my concatenateData(containerCnt, filterCnt, clipCnt, sigCnt, ctMsg) my displayTotals(the statsTxt) end tell -- The above will count your PowerMail; message folders, filters, text clippings -- and the text signatures and display the information in a dialog. -- The dialog will give you an option to put the entire results -- onto the clipboard. (* this recursive function receives a message container (folder). It first calls itself for every sub-container of the input container, summing up the number of messages stored in them, and last, adds the number of messages in the input container itself. *) to count_messages(input_container) tell application PowerMail 5.0b12 set c to 0 repeat with bcontainer in every message container in input_container set c to c + (my count_messages(bcontainer)) end repeat set c to c + (number of messages in input_container) return c end tell end count_messages /AppleScript -- Andy Fragen On Thu, Apr 22, 2004, Max Gossell said: Ehh -- would it be possible to add total messages in database to this script...?
Re: files that HTML messages create
On 22 4 2004 at 12:37 pm -0400, Andy Fragen wrote: I've written the following script to remove all sorts of attachments. I call it from a filter set as Always In PM 5 you can now do this using the built-in filters, no applescript req'd. -b -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
Re: files that HTML messages create
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Rick, I've written the following script to remove all sorts of attachments. I call it from a filter set as Always AppleScript --Remove Listed Attachments by Andy Fragen [EMAIL PROTECTED] --v.1.1 property badAttachment : {winmail.dat, .exe, signature.asc, IMSTP, smime.p7s, PGP.sig} property spamAttachment : {.gif, .jpg, .jpeg, .pif, .scr, .zip, Enclosure} property spamlabel : 7 tell application PowerMail 5.0b12 set theMessages to current messages repeat with msg in theMessages if exists (attachments of msg) then my stripAttachment(badAttachment, msg) --if (name of storage of msg as string = Spam) or (label of msg is spamlabel) then if label of msg is spamlabel then my stripAttachment(spamAttachment, msg) end if end if end repeat end tell on stripAttachment(propList, msg) tell application PowerMail 5.0b12 repeat with attach in every attachment of msg repeat with i from 1 to the number of items of propList ignoring case --if (name of attach begins with item i of propList) or (name of attach ends with item i of propList) then if (name of attach contains item i of propList) then --display dialog (Found match: name of attach : id of msg) set f to file of attach tell application Finder try move f to trash end try end tell end if end ignoring end repeat end repeat end tell end stripAttachment /AppleScript Watch for line breaks. -- Andy Fragen On Thu, Apr 22, 2004, Rick Lecoat said: Here's a questions that I've wondered about for ages but never got around to asking: When HTML messages arrive, I sometimes get a file in the attachments folder called Enclosure.html, sometimes one called PowerMail HTML message.html, and sometimes the HTML message does not create a file at all AFAIK. What determines the different behaviour? Also, is there any way to avoid having to retain these created files in order to read the message later? I keep my email for years, and I hate the ideas that in order to be sure of being able to read an HTML message received 9 months ago I have to have a vast reservoir of files called Enclosure.1.html, Enclosure.2.html, Enclosure.875.html, etc. Thanks; Rick -- G5 2GHz x2 :: 2GB RAM :: 10.3.2 :: PM 5.0b12 :: 3 pane mode
Re: Enhancement suggestion for manually marking as spam
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Jerome, Your response, while accurate, is confusing. I use SpamSieve, as do many people, and to have to duplicate those scripts, whatever they may be, and check use 3rd party app is very confusing to the average user. I think Christian's suggestion is the most versatile solution, unless you there is already a property that gets set when the Manually mark as Good we could then write a script that fires during a filter if the Perform filters setting in the Prefs is set. Of course, this doesn't address the problem of filters or scripts after a message is manually marked as spam. -- Andy Fragen On Thu, Apr 22, 2004, PowerMail Engineering said: Christian Roth wrote: I am now also in the situation where I would like to have the ability to perform an AppleScript after both, Manually mark as Spam and Manually mark as good. You can already do this: in the spam filter assistant, choose other third party spam filter instead of SpamSieve (or in addition to the other options), and define the scripts to be ran in the following assistant pane. You can duplicate the SpamSieve scripts and add whatever action you want to do there... Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - Fan-freakin-tastic email client. PowerMail is by far the best application I've purchased. PowerMail user comment on www.versiontracker.com Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: PM5 and AOL
Anthony Sanna wrote: How do you go about setting up a PM - AOL account? Set it up as an IMAP account. Check the box to use Port 143. Your username is your AOL user name. It has worked great in PM 4. I'm having a little trouble with PM 5, but it could just be my machine. Richard Hart
Re: Which SpamSieve?
Bob Moody wrote: Spam blockers are unnecessary. You are contradicting yourself. You act as your own spam blocker. If spam blockers were unnecessary, than why would you take actions to block spam? You can't have it both ways. Just use your web browser to log into your pop account using webmail. This is just silly. Richard Hart
Unable to Send
I use PowerMail at the office and at home. Recently, however, I have not been able to send any messages from my home Mac. When I do, I get the error message: No SMTP server on smtp2.catalog.com. At home, I am plugged into the web via an ethernet connected Airport Extreme which is connected to a DSL modem. My DSL service is through TDS Metrocom, and my mail hosting is at catalog.com. The catalog.com account is a stopgap measure to bridge my business website and mail service during the time between when our ISP went under last November, until we can get the servers set up to internally host our own web and mail. It has been suggested that my IP address has been blacklisted, and that I should kill the DSL for a length of time, and then restart it to insure that I get a new address. It has also been suggested that I do a send and receive, and then manually send outgoing mail, so that my address is verified. I may not be stating these things correctly, but, in general, this is the advice I've been given. - Postscript When I tried sending the above message, I got a different communication error (I'm adding this to the original message after it failed to send). The error message: Recipient [EMAIL PROTECTED] refused on smtp2.catalog.com sorry, that domain isn't allowed to be relayed thru this MTA (#5.7.1) BTW... I'm at the office, connected via LAN - Cisco PIX - T1 Tony -- Anthony R. Sanna SACO Foods, Inc. 6120 University Avenue Middleton, WI 53562 1-800-373-7226 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AB request (was: address book problems)
At Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:43:01 -0600 (CET), cheshirekat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Apr 10, 2004, the following words from Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED], emerged from a plethora of SPAM ... My experience of trying to get PM to synchronize with Apple's Address Book is that it soon gets out of sync. As a result I now NEVER allow PM to modify the Apple AB, and just dump the PM AB in the trash every few months when it has made a complete mess of the groups again. In PM 5 I would like to be able to bypass the PM AB entirely. I also haven't been happy with allowing PM to alter Apple's Address Book. I only do a one-way sync to PowerMail. and have done so for most of the time I've been using PowerMail I also restart PM frequently so that its up-to-date with new address additions. Still, I have one filter that is based on a group of addresses that manages to miss the same email addresses continually. I've been putting off creating a backup filter for those messages that slip through that group-based filter. I don't have any use for the PM address book and would also like to disable it altogether. I follow in the line. On a very early stage I turned off syncing from PM to Apple AB as it messed up my Apple AB. It works so-so the other way around, though. I use Apple AB as my contact center for other applications as well, and would love to access it directly from PM. As is now, it feels like half a solution, and I never use the Address Book Icon, the Add to Address Book feature etc. This slows down my overall contact administration, and I would really like to see a preference option to work directly with Apple AB. I guess it must be possible -- I have a demo of GyazMail, which reads and opens up a window with relevant info from Apple AB in its own GUI, plus the three buttons To, Cc and Bcc and a search field. Looks and works very nice. Another window pops up when choosing Add Sender to Address Book, where I also can select Apple AB Label and Group, plus add text in its note field. It writes directly into Apple AB. An option to have PM working in the same manner is on top on my wish list for major feature additions. Please! Please...! Max G (And pls don't ask me to just change over to GyazMail, folks. It seems like a very sweet app, but it's not strong enough for my needs.)
Re: Enhancement suggestion for manually marking as spam
Christian Roth wrote: I am now also in the situation where I would like to have the ability to perform an AppleScript after both, Manually mark as Spam and Manually mark as good. You can already do this: in the spam filter assistant, choose other third party spam filter instead of SpamSieve (or in addition to the other options), and define the scripts to be ran in the following assistant pane. You can duplicate the SpamSieve scripts and add whatever action you want to do there... Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - Fan-freakin-tastic email client. PowerMail is by far the best application I've purchased. PowerMail user comment on www.versiontracker.com Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: PM 5 icons and some observations
David Gordon wrote: I must say I'm not that impressed by the new icons in the toolbars. Take for example the Mark as Spam. Is that a fly? What has a fly got to do with spam? And Mark as Good doesn't follow the theme (or vis versa). I'm not sure Reply, Forward or Redirect are clear either. I disagree. I LIKE the new icons. They make perfect sense. Scott T. Hards wrote: Frankly, I found the fly to be obvious and intuitive. I mean, what are flies attracted to the most, right? I agree. I'll agree that the difference between forward and redirect is not obvious. That's best done with a tail of some kind on the arrows. Forward could be a straight arrow pointed right, while the redirect arrow could look like a ricochet bouncing off the letter icon. I disagree. A ricochet means the mail bounced. I believe the forward and redirect icon are better and more meaningful than any I've seen on email clients so far. Keep the new icons! Richard Hart
Re: PM 5 icons and some observations
I mean, what are flies attracted to the most, right? Spam, of course! Tony -- Anthony R. Sanna SACO Foods, Inc. 6120 University Avenue Middleton, WI 53562 1-800-373-7226 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PM5 and AOL
I've already reported this to support, but I'd like to know whether anyone else has tried PowerMail 5 with AOL. I would like to. How do you go about setting up a PM - AOL account? Tony -- Anthony R. Sanna SACO Foods, Inc. 6120 University Avenue Middleton, WI 53562 1-800-373-7226 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Enhancement suggestion for manually marking as spam
Hi, though I have suggested a solution to the manually marked as good keeps Spam label color problem, I am now also in the situation where I would like to have the ability to perform an AppleScript after both, Manually mark as Spam and Manually mark as good. This should be an additional preference in the Mark as Spam Pref pane. Reason: I too want Spam messages colored differently. When I do a manually mark as Spam on a message judged good by the system, it is moved to the Spam folder (according to my setting), but there is no way to assign it the Spam label automatically. Why an AppleScript and not that specific additional option? Because you never know... :-) In AppleScript I can do all sorts of things which might prove helpful at some later time (e.g. using AppleScript to maintain a database that records original domain and time sent to create a Spam/ domain and Spam/daytime distribution chart). Also, I might want to add a remark to the subject and/or content indicating when I marked this message as Spam manually (or better, _that_ I did it manually). Regards, Christian.
Re: files that HTML messages create
On 22 4 2004 at 9:23 am -0400, PowerMail Engineering wrote: HTML messages are normally not stored as attachments; however when you click the globe icon (view in web browser) a temporary PowerMail HTML message.html file is created with a copy of the HTML data, and opened in your web browser. This file is overriten when you click the globe button for another HTML message. I suggested some months ago that this temp file be created in /tmp instead of in the user's attachmetns folder. Since PM5 no longer runs on Mac OS 9 (which had no concept of unix pathnaming or the /tmp dir), could this become a reality? -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
Re: files that HTML messages create
Rick Lecoat wrote: When HTML messages arrive, I sometimes get a file in the attachments folder called Enclosure.html, sometimes one called PowerMail HTML message.html, and sometimes the HTML message does not create a file at all AFAIK. What determines the different behaviour? HTML messages are normally not stored as attachments; however when you click the globe icon (view in web browser) a temporary PowerMail HTML message.html file is created with a copy of the HTML data, and opened in your web browser. This file is overriten when you click the globe button for another HTML message. Some messages however contain multiple HTML parts, or both a text part and an HTML one (with a content type: multipart/mixed, which means that the text part is not equivalent to the HTML part); in this case, PowerMail handle the HTML part(s) as an attachment, so you can view it in addition of the text part. Maybe I could use a better name than Enclosure.html, based on the message's subject... Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - PowerMail 4.2 is really, really fast. It is designed with a nice, simple interface and lots of options. Searching through literally thousands of messages and addresses takes only an instant and the import from Mail.app worked like a charm. Daniel M. East, President of the The Mid-Atlantic Macintosh User Groups Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: Which SpamSieve?
On Apr 22, 2004, at 7:29 AM, david.gordon wrote: Your SpamSieve corpus is stored in your Library folder, so there is nothing to move. So why does SS report that its only had a few hundred messages since 20.04.04 when I have been using it for well over a year and had thousands of message filter through? The first time you launch SpamSieve 2.1.2 or later, it will set the Statistics window to only show statistics from that date forward. However, the old statistics are still there, and you can show them by clicking the Set Date... button. The number of messages in the corpus should be unchanged. I want to use 2.1.4 (I'll update from 2.1) but surely I also want to keep my original files and statistics? No matter which version of SpamSieve you use, it will alawys use the data and statistics in ~/Library/Application Support/SpamSieve. -- Michael Tsai http://www.c-command.com
Re(3): Which SpamSieve?
On 22/04/2004 at 7:28 AM I saw Bob Moody type: Spam blockers are unnecessary. Just categorically saying they are unnecessary is a bit extreme. Just use your web browser to log into your pop account using webmail. Look at what's there and delete everything that you don't want. (I hit select all then individually uncheck the ones I want, then hit the delete button on the page.) Some people may not have webmail access. Some may not want to complicate the process by adding another step. Some need to deal with the 200 or so 'real' messages they do need, and to manually uncheck or check them would be very time consuming. After doing that, log into your mail account with PowerMail and download what's left. This leaves spam, viruses, etc. behind and you only get what you want. It takes an extra 1-2 minutes for me to do this, and I usually have about 90 messages, 4-5 of which I keep. I have anywhere from 70-150 messages that I need to keep. I do get spam, and without something like SpamSieve, my workflow would be severely hampered by manual editing of the inbox. To each his own solution. I'm happy that you don't need a spam blocker software. Kename *REPLYING TO MESSAGE QUOTED BELOW** Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:58:51 +0200 david.gordon wrote: I already had SpamSieve. I think that PM 5 is running the copy supplied. Can I simply replace the copy in the PM folder with my original copy to use my own corpus etc. Your SpamSieve corpus is stored in your Library folder, so there is nothing to move. PowerMail 5 requires SpamSieve 2.1.3 or higher; if you have an older version installed somewhere, make sure that it is not the old one that is launched when SpamSieve is called by PM. Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering
Re: Which SpamSieve?
Max Gossell [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 4/22/04 at 6:58 stated: Spam blockers are unnecessary. Is this really the TRUTH? Using his method, it's not that they are unnecessary, he just doesn't call them that. He is the spam blocker in his case. EarthLink has been very good with SPAM recently, so I don't get nearly as much as I use to. When I do log in via the web to look at mail, I always peek in the SPAM folder and I'm amazed at how much stuff is in there. SPAMSieve takes care of what slips through. Wayne -- sans la Musique la Vie serait une Erreur Without music, life would be a serious mistake. - Frederich Nietzsche Live DAT Music Page: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/ Wayne's Music Calendar: http://ical.mac.com/wayneb/Music PowerMail AppleScript Archives: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/powermail.html Music Currently playing:
Re: Which SpamSieve?
I deleted the version of SpamSieve in the PM folder, before I even launched PM 5. There seems to have been no ill effects, and my existing copy of SS (2.1.4) is still using my existing Corpus. However, it looks like you need to use the fly and smiley icons in the Toolbar to add Spam or Good messages to the Corpus. HTH Mark At 10:50 AM on 2004年 4月 22日 (木), david.gordon wrote: I already had SpamSieve. I think that PM 5 is running the copy supplied. Can I simply replace the copy in the PM folder with my original copy to use my own corpus etc. -- Mark Smith, Osaka, Japan. The Grampalogue: For Nagoya Grampus Eight News Views. http://www2.odn.ne.jp/rockdiver/grampalog/index.html
Re: Which SpamSieve?
At Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:28:26 -0400 (CET), Bob Moody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spam blockers are unnecessary. Is this really the TRUTH? Just use your web browser to log into your pop account using webmail. Look at what's there and delete everything that you don't want. (I hit select all then individually uncheck the ones I want, then hit the delete button on the page.) Is this really FAIR to all concerned? I have about 10 different accounts. On each I may get a message that demands my immediate actions = they all need to be checked frequently and regularly. After doing that, log into your mail account with PowerMail and download what's left. This leaves spam, viruses, etc. behind and you only get what you want. It takes an extra 1-2 minutes for me to do this, and I usually have about 90 messages, 4-5 of which I keep. I have all my accounts checked for new mail in 5 minutes intervalls. Your suggestion means I would sit full-time and do nothing but check my accounts all through my work days. Is this really BENEFICIAL to mee...? This is the second time you send exactly the same un asked-for advice to this list. How much GOOD WILL and BETTER FRIENDSHIP do you think it really creates? Max G - Bob Moody [EMAIL PROTECTED] 936 Frog Pond Road Staunton VA 24401 800-326-9192 www.bobmoody.org The Four-Way Test of the things we think, say, or do: First: Is it the TRUTH? Second: Is it FAIR to all concerned? Third: Will it build GOOD WILL and BETTER FRIENDSHIPS? Fourth: Will it be BENEFICIAL to all concerned? Replying to message quoted below = *REPLYING TO MESSAGE QUOTED BELOW** Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:58:51 +0200 david.gordon wrote: I already had SpamSieve. I think that PM 5 is running the copy supplied. Can I simply replace the copy in the PM folder with my original copy to use my own corpus etc. Your SpamSieve corpus is stored in your Library folder, so there is nothing to move. PowerMail 5 requires SpamSieve 2.1.3 or higher; if you have an older version installed somewhere, make sure that it is not the old one that is launched when SpamSieve is called by PM. Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - With fairly flexible filters and mail options built-in, PowerMail shows that a great deal of thought has gone into striking the balance between a Über-geek tool (i.e. w/full-blown Boleean instructions) and something a mortal can use (pull down menus). PowerMail user comment on www.macupdate.com Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
files that HTML messages create
Here's a questions that I've wondered about for ages but never got around to asking: When HTML messages arrive, I sometimes get a file in the attachments folder called Enclosure.html, sometimes one called PowerMail HTML message.html, and sometimes the HTML message does not create a file at all AFAIK. What determines the different behaviour? Also, is there any way to avoid having to retain these created files in order to read the message later? I keep my email for years, and I hate the ideas that in order to be sure of being able to read an HTML message received 9 months ago I have to have a vast reservoir of files called Enclosure.1.html, Enclosure.2.html, Enclosure.875.html, etc. Thanks; Rick -- G5 2GHz x2 :: 2GB RAM :: 10.3.2 :: PM 5.0b12 :: 3 pane mode
Re: Which SpamSieve?
PowerMail Engineering wrote on Thu 22 Apr 2004 at 12:58 +0200 Your SpamSieve corpus is stored in your Library folder, so there is nothing to move. So why does SS report that its only had a few hundred messages since 20.04.04 when I have been using it for well over a year and had thousands of message filter through? I want to use 2.1.4 (I'll update from 2.1) but surely I also want to keep my original files and statistics? -- david.gordon
Re(2): Which SpamSieve?
Spam blockers are unnecessary. Just use your web browser to log into your pop account using webmail. Look at what's there and delete everything that you don't want. (I hit select all then individually uncheck the ones I want, then hit the delete button on the page.) After doing that, log into your mail account with PowerMail and download what's left. This leaves spam, viruses, etc. behind and you only get what you want. It takes an extra 1-2 minutes for me to do this, and I usually have about 90 messages, 4-5 of which I keep. - Bob Moody [EMAIL PROTECTED] 936 Frog Pond Road Staunton VA 24401 800-326-9192 www.bobmoody.org The Four-Way Test of the things we think, say, or do: First: Is it the TRUTH? Second: Is it FAIR to all concerned? Third: Will it build GOOD WILL and BETTER FRIENDSHIPS? Fourth: Will it be BENEFICIAL to all concerned? Replying to message quoted below = *REPLYING TO MESSAGE QUOTED BELOW** Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:58:51 +0200 david.gordon wrote: I already had SpamSieve. I think that PM 5 is running the copy supplied. Can I simply replace the copy in the PM folder with my original copy to use my own corpus etc. Your SpamSieve corpus is stored in your Library folder, so there is nothing to move. PowerMail 5 requires SpamSieve 2.1.3 or higher; if you have an older version installed somewhere, make sure that it is not the old one that is launched when SpamSieve is called by PM. Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - With fairly flexible filters and mail options built-in, PowerMail shows that a great deal of thought has gone into striking the balance between a Über-geek tool (i.e. w/full-blown Boleean instructions) and something a mortal can use (pull down menus). PowerMail user comment on www.macupdate.com Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: PM 5 icons and some observations
Is that a fly? What has a fly got to do with spam? And Mark as Good doesn't follow the theme (or vis versa). I'm not sure Reply, Forward or Redirect are clear either. I'll probably turn off the icons - just like I did in PM 4. Allow me to disagree with these observations. Frankly, I found the fly to be obvious and intuitive. I mean, what are flies attracted to the most, right? I've already commented on the arrows. I'll agree that the difference between forward and redirect is not obvious. That's best done with a tail of some kind on the arrows. Forward could be a straight arrow pointed right, while the redirect arrow could look like a ricochet bouncing off the letter icon. --- Scott T. Hards President HobbyLink Japan (www.hlj.com)
Re: Which SpamSieve?
david.gordon wrote: I already had SpamSieve. I think that PM 5 is running the copy supplied. Can I simply replace the copy in the PM folder with my original copy to use my own corpus etc. Your SpamSieve corpus is stored in your Library folder, so there is nothing to move. PowerMail 5 requires SpamSieve 2.1.3 or higher; if you have an older version installed somewhere, make sure that it is not the old one that is launched when SpamSieve is called by PM. Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - With fairly flexible filters and mail options built-in, PowerMail shows that a great deal of thought has gone into striking the balance between a Über-geek tool (i.e. w/full-blown Boleean instructions) and something a mortal can use (pull down menus). PowerMail user comment on www.macupdate.com Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: file access problems
Ron, When I use PM on my desktop, where I am an administrative user, I have no problems. When I use it on a laptop, where my account is not an administrative account, it almost always crashes when I quit the program. I think it is related to attachments. It complains of not having sufficient privileges. Is there a way around this problem? Thanks for the crash log. Do you have your mail scheduling set to send mail before quitting? Do you have some waiting messages that have an attachment for which you don't have access privilege? You can try to launch PM with the command and option keys pressed, and check the purge outgoing queue checkbox. Let me know if that solves the problem. Best regards Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - My message database holds close to 200.000 messages. The find function in PowerMail 4.2 returns results like lightning. Absolutely fabulous! Even when searching on common words with results in the thousands or ten thousands, it's blazingly fast. The Power in PowerMail is completely meaningful. Thank you CTM-development! Jan M.J. Storms, PowerMail user Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Which SpamSieve?
I already had SpamSieve. I think that PM 5 is running the copy supplied. Can I simply replace the copy in the PM folder with my original copy to use my own corpus etc. -- david.gordon
Re: PM5 bug with previously sent msgs
Karel, It doesn't work 'automatically' while sending messages either... I created a simple outgoing filter: only 'filter outgoing messages' checked conditions: status is sent In PM 4, outgoing filters were applied once the message has been sent. In PM 5.0b12, they are applied before sending the message, while it's status is still draft. Filing an outgoing message (even manually, either draft, waiting or sent) sets the folder where it will be moved once it has been successfully sent (so it won't be filed if you do not send it after running the filter manually). In PM 5.0 final, they will be applied before sending, but when the message has a waiting status. Filing a message (even when applying the filter manually) will be immediate for any message except when the status is waiting; in this case the message will be filed when successfully sent. Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - Mes félicitations pour la nouvelle fonction de recherche de PowerMail, elle est FABULEUSE !!! Je suis vraiment ébloui ! Yannis Haralambous, PowerMail user Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re(2): PM5 bug with previously sent msgs
Op woensdag, 21 april 2004 schreef PowerMail Engineering: There is a bug with the file in filter action: it does not work when you apply it manually on an outgoing message that has already been sent. I will fix it, however the file in action will not be immediate when applied on message in the waiting state. In this case, the message will be filed in the folder specified by the filter only after having been sent. It doesn't work 'automatically' while sending messages either... I created a simple outgoing filter: only 'filter outgoing messages' checked conditions: status is sent actions: move message into folder 'verzonden' 'Don't apply subsequent filters on this message' checked and I find that this filter isn't working while sending mail on both my testing environments. Sent messages remain filed in the 'Out Tray'. (G4 450 MHz cube and 400 MHz G3 powerbook both running 10.3.3) Karel Gillissen
Re: SpamSieve problems
harryo wrote on Wed 21 Apr 2004 at 18:46 -0500 I especially like the feature in Mail.APP that allows me to bounce an EMail back to its sender. Why don't you bounce over to http://discussions.info.apple.com/ and leave us less insecure punters alone. -- david.gordon
Re: PowerMail Wish - In/Out trays
Ehh -- would it be possible to add total messages in database to this script...? Max G At Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:23:53 -0700 (CET), Andy Fragen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* This doesn't count subfolders on my install. Here's a fix for it. AppleScript property preMsg : You currently have: return property postcC : Message folders property postfC : Message Filters property postclC : Text Clippings property postsigC : Signatures property ret : return property bttnList : {Thanks, Put on Clipboard} property defBttn : Put on Clipboard to concatenateData(cCnt, fCnt, clCnt, sigCnt) return (preMsg cCnt postcC ret fCnt postfC ret clCnt postclC ret sigCnt postsigC) end concatenateData to displayTotals(statsTxt) set the dialogBttn to the button returned of (display dialog statsTxt buttons bttnList default button 2) if the dialogBttn is the defBttn then set the clipboard to the statsTxt beep end if end displayTotals tell application PowerMail set the containerCnt to count message containers repeat with i from 1 to containerCnt set subContainerCnt to count message containers of message container i set containerCnt to containerCnt + subContainerCnt end repeat set the filterCnt to count filters set the clipCnt to count text clippings set the sigCnt to count text signatures set the statsTxt to my concatenateData(containerCnt, filterCnt, clipCnt, sigCnt) my displayTotals(the statsTxt) end tell -- The above will count your PowerMail; message folders, filters, text clippings -- and the text signatures and display the information in a dialog. -- The dialog will give you an option to put the entire results -- onto the clipboard. /AppleScript -- Andy Fragen On Sat, Apr 10, 2004, cheshirekat said: BTW, here's an AppleScript you can use so that you don't have to manually count your folders and filters - just in case you don't already have such an AppleScript: Begin AppleScript property preMsg : You currently have: return property postcC : Message folders property postfC : Message Filters property postclC : Text Clippings property postsigC : Signatures property ret : return property bttnList : {Thanks, Put on Clipboard} property defBttn : Put on Clipboard to concatenateData(cCnt, fCnt, clCnt, sigCnt) return (preMsg cCnt postcC ret fCnt postfC ret clCnt postclC ret sigCnt postsigC) end concatenateData to displayTotals(statsTxt) set the dialogBttn to the button returned of (display dialog statsTxt buttons bttnList default button 2) if the dialogBttn is the defBttn then set the clipboard to the statsTxt beep end if end displayTotals tell application PowerMail set the containerCnt to count message containers set the filterCnt to count filters set the clipCnt to count text clippings set the sigCnt to count text signatures set the statsTxt to my concatenateData(containerCnt, filterCnt, clipCnt, sigCnt) my displayTotals(the statsTxt) end tell -- The above will count your PowerMail; message folders, filters, text clippings -- and the text signatures and display the information in a dialog. -- The dialog will give you an option to put the entire results -- onto the clipboard. End AppleScript
Re: Additional comments/wish list
On Thu, Apr 22, 2004, the following words from Scott at HobbyLink Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED], emerged from a plethora of SPAM ... Greater control over fonts and colors (allow me to set individual colors for each background of the mail browser's panes and the message window, as well as font colors) One of the main reasons I love exporting my email to a FileMaker Pro database is the control I have over the colors, fonts and overall appearance. Not just in viewing messages, but also in printing messages. Some people like to spend a lot of time tweaking and customizing their desktop icons, but I much prefer to customize the documents and data I use frequently. In PowerMail, the list view text is always too small and black text on white background causes my eyes to tire easily, so I like creating databases with text formatting and colors I can read comfortably. In Emailer, it was possible to have different font options for screen and for print - that would be a welcome feature in PowerMail. I have to admit that it's rare for me to print directly from PowerMail due to the lack of control over the print output. When I need to print email, I take the time to copy to another application or to FileMaker Pro. But, even in Emailer, I often had to print from another application more frequently than I wanted because of the format options. -- For each age is a dream that is dying, Or one that is coming to birth. -Arthur William Edgar O'Shaughnessy * 867 PowerBook G4 * OS X 10.2.8 * 768 MB Ram *
Additional comments/wish list
How about adding the send waiting messages to the toolbar options? This is something which I use every day - and it would be very handy to have a button for it... I'll second that! And it *still* asks me when I want to modify a message in the out tray, and I still answer modify as draft 25 times a day. (okay, so I exaggerate a bit..) Jerome, please make that an optional warning, or trash it all together. I am in control of my clicking. Also, a somewhat esoteric comment regarding the new status icons, i.e. the little crystal blue arrowhead indicating 'replied:' It seems a bit too unarrow-like to me. I understand it's a design theme along with the same little blue arrows/triangles on the letter icons in the toolbar, but how about giving them little tails, or making them a bit wider in relation to their height. Yeah, maybe it's just me, but... Two other features I hope to see in PM at some point: Ability to freely arrange folders (currently alphabetical only) Greater control over fonts and colors (allow me to set individual colors for each background of the mail browser's panes and the message window, as well as font colors) --- Scott T. Hards President HobbyLink Japan (www.hlj.com)
Re: Incoming mail filter problem in PM 5.0 Beta
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* I, too, am experiencing problems where applescripts are not working properly when called from filters but work fine when called from the AS menu. I think it's a bug. -- Andy Fragen On Thu, Apr 22, 2004, Christian Roth said: When I run the above AppleScript script manually on a message, it works as expected and creates a new reply message in the out try with empty body. As I said, the above filter worked flawlessly in PM 4.x. and stopped working in 5.0 beta. Any hints?
Re: SpamSieve problems
harryo on 4/21/04 said Mail.APP has a built in spam filter. Costs nothing does a good job and is supported by Apple. I especially like the feature in Mail.APP that allows me to bounce an EMail back to its sender. You know, if you prefer Mail.app you are more than welcome to use it. If you didn't like PM, then you shouldn't have sent them your credit card information. Some people like Entourage better, too. We can all make up our own mind. -- Barbara Needham
Incoming mail filter problem in PM 5.0 Beta
Hi, I'm having a problem with the following incoming mail filter setting which worked flawlessly in 4.x: [x] Filter incoming messages Conditions: Subject begins with CONFIRM Account is mailinglist-admin Status is not read Status is not replied Execute if all conditions are met Actions: Execute AppleScript Handle Confirm message Set status to Replied The Handle Confirm message AppleScript script reads as follows: tell application PowerMail 5.0b12 set theMessages to current messages repeat with msg in theMessages my handleConfirm(msg) end repeat end tell on handleConfirm(msg) tell application PowerMail 5.0b12 set replyMsg to (reply to msg without replying to all) set content of the replyMsg to set status of the replyMsg to waiting end tell end handleConfirm The problem: Whereas the set status to replied action is actually carried out (i.e., the filter does run on the respective messages), no outgoing message is created like should be. It seems the AppleScript either does not run at all or there are no current messages during execution. When I run the above AppleScript script manually on a message, it works as expected and creates a new reply message in the out try with empty body. As I said, the above filter worked flawlessly in PM 4.x. and stopped working in 5.0 beta. Any hints? Regards, Christian.
Re: SpamSieve problems
On 21 4 2004 at 7:46 pm -0400, harryo wrote: I especially like the feature in Mail.APP that allows me to bounce an EMail back to its sender. Granted though most spam is from a phony address. Yeah, so what is the point, exactly? -b -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
SpamSieve problems
Mail.APP has a built in spam filter. Costs nothing does a good job and is supported by Apple. I especially like the feature in Mail.APP that allows me to bounce an EMail back to its sender. Granted though most spam is from a phony address.
Re: SpamSieve problems
Michael said: I believe you can do this by adjusting the mail filter for SpamSieve. Conditions: Account is AccountA Aha! Of course. Thanks, Michael. -- Sherman
Re: Snooze
PowerMail Engineering / 04.4.21 / 5:18PM wrote: Clicking the snooze button in a connection error dialog, or selecting snooze in the dock menu when a connection error occurs, will stop notifying subsequent connection errors for scheduled connections on the same account, during one hour. A great feature. Now, to complete its superiority, can we have a log for this feature? \(^o^)/ P.S., Seriously, I can't use it if log is not available :-( Too much to ask? Please? -- - Hiro [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED] [PROTECTED]
Re: SpamSieve problems
On Apr 21, 2004, at 1:38 PM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: Have you set the accounts for which SpamSieve should be active? Okay, I give: how does one do this? I believe you can do this by adjusting the mail filter for SpamSieve. Conditions: Account is AccountA Spam rating 50 Actions: Move message into folder Spam -- Michael Tsai http://www.c-command.com
Re: Index Error
Ed Ver Hoef wrote: Of late, whenever I launch PowerMail (I'm using a Mac under OS 9.1), I get a message saying Can't Open Index File Rebuild the search index from the file/database menu. Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - Mes félicitations pour la nouvelle fonction de recherche de PowerMail, elle est FABULEUSE !!! Je suis vraiment ébloui ! Yannis Haralambous, PowerMail user Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: Snooze
A-NO-NE Music wrote: I am pretty sure I didn't see any mention of snooze in the readme. I was getting tons of auth failure on all the .mac accounts I have today, so I hit the snooze button. Now I get no error message but am wondering.. ur.. what did I just do? Clicking the snooze button in a connection error dialog, or selecting snooze in the dock menu when a connection error occurs, will stop notifying subsequent connection errors for scheduled connections on the same account, during one hour. Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - J'utilise PowerMail depuis pas mal de temps et le passage a Mac OS X c'est juste fait en changeant l'application par celle compatible Mac OS X. Tout est tres simple, puissant et rapide. Quand a l'impossibilité d'envoi de mail en HTML c'est pas plus mal. PowerMail user comment on www.macgeneration.com Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Index Error
Of late, whenever I launch PowerMail (I'm using a Mac under OS 9.1), I get a message saying Can't Open Index File and I have the choice of saying OK or opting for more info. If I say OK, PowerMail launched and all seems OK. If I ask for more info, another message appears saying Can't Open Index File and again I have the option of saying OK or more info. Again, if I say OK, awwl seems well. If I ask for more info, a third message appears saying An Indexing Errorr Occurred, Class = QIE, What = 9, When = 2(Index). What does this all mean? What should I do? For the time being, I just say OK the first time and all seems OK but the process is repeated the next time I launch PowerMail. Ed Ver Hoef