Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist
Wayne Brissette wrote: How I wish. All my other filters are after the SpamSieve filters. And yes Andy it is set for incoming and always. Oh well. Maybe I'll figure it out. If the Spam: evaluate filter is the first one, with an always condition, and evaluate spam rating as single action, then it should at least launch SpamSieve, unless you have unchecked the SpamSieve checkbox from the spam filter assistant? Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - Counting in dollars and cents, CTM would have to start to charge me their fee each week before I'd seriously consider changing over to Mail.app -- that's how much PowerMail's filter and other features saves me just in mail administration time compared to Mail.app. Max Gossell, PowerMail user Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist
On Dec 16, 2004, at 11:35 AM, Jeremy Hughes wrote: I'm currently using 2.2.3, and I had this problem quite recently. Looking at the white list, there is an entry for Eric (which I remember disabling) dated 15th November 2004. Maybe this was created by an earlier version of SpamSieve. Probably. Please let me know if you see any new rules like that being created. -- Michael Tsai http://www.c-command.com
Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist
Michael Tsai (16/12/04 4:06 pm) said: For exactly this reason, SpamSieve 2.2.2 and later do not automatically whitelist simple names. That's good :) I'm currently using 2.2.3, and I had this problem quite recently. Looking at the white list, there is an entry for Eric (which I remember disabling) dated 15th November 2004. Maybe this was created by an earlier version of SpamSieve. Jeremy
Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* I knew it would be but I had to ask. -- Andy Fragen On Wed, Dec 15, 2004, Wayne Brissette said: t sounds like one of your earlier filters is acting as a catch-all, preventing all subsequent filters from ever getting to it. Try moving How I wish. All my other filters are after the SpamSieve filters. And yes Andy it is set for incoming and always. Oh well. Maybe I'll figure it out. Wayne -- Nature can survive without man--in fact, that may be its salvation--but man cannot survive without nature. - Homero Aridjis
Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist
On Dec 16, 2004, at 5:58 AM, Jeremy Hughes wrote: 2. SpamSieve has a white list which contains the names and email addresses of messages which have been marked as good. I have had a few problems with this - specifically, where a good email is sent from (say) Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]. In this case SpamSieve will whitelist [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which is good) and will also whitelist Steve, which is problemmatic. A few days later, I might get an email from Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED], and SpamSieve will pass this through as a non- spam email because it has whitelisted Steve. I can resolve the problem by deleting or disabling Steve from the white list, but I think that there should be a preference option to control the way in which names are automatically whitelisted. It would be better if only names that are reasonably distinct get whitelisted - e.g. first/second name combinations (Steve Smith). For exactly this reason, SpamSieve 2.2.2 and later do not automatically whitelist simple names. -- Michael Tsai http://www.c-command.com
Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist
Giovanni Andreani (16/12/04 1:53 pm) said: 2. SpamSieve has a white list which contains the names and email addresses of messages which have been marked as good. I have had a few problems with this - specifically, where a good email is sent from (say) Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]. In this case SpamSieve will whitelist [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which is good) and will also whitelist Steve, which is problemmatic. A few days later, I might get an email from Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED], and SpamSieve will pass this through as a non- spam email because it has whitelisted Steve. I can resolve the problem by deleting or disabling Steve from the white list, but I think that there should be a preference option to control the way in which names are automatically whitelisted. It would be better if only names that are reasonably distinct get whitelisted - e.g. first/second name combinations (Steve Smith). Jeremy But if one trains SS to learn the difference between the two Steve, won't that be sufficient? Yes. When you get the email from spammer Steve, SpamSieve will give you a false negative result. If you mark the email as spam, it will disable Steve in the whitelist, and future emails from spammer Steve will be identified correctly as being spam. Then you have to repeat this with Robert, Chris, Mark etc. etc. SpamSieve could avoid these false negatives by having an option for not whitelisting simple names. Jeremy
Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist
2. SpamSieve has a white list which contains the names and email addresses of messages which have been marked as good. I have had a few problems with this - specifically, where a good email is sent from (say) Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]. In this case SpamSieve will whitelist [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which is good) and will also whitelist Steve, which is problemmatic. A few days later, I might get an email from Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED], and SpamSieve will pass this through as a non- spam email because it has whitelisted Steve. I can resolve the problem by deleting or disabling Steve from the white list, but I think that there should be a preference option to control the way in which names are automatically whitelisted. It would be better if only names that are reasonably distinct get whitelisted - e.g. first/second name combinations (Steve Smith). Jeremy But if one trains SS to learn the difference between the two Steve, won't that be sufficient? Giovanni
Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (15/12/04 9:16 pm) said: Anybody got any clues on how to make PM clear it's whitelist so things get filtered properly again? 1. PowerMail keeps a list of recipients and senders which it uses as a white list. You can clear this in Preferences/Address Book 2. SpamSieve has a white list which contains the names and email addresses of messages which have been marked as good. I have had a few problems with this - specifically, where a good email is sent from (say) Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]. In this case SpamSieve will whitelist [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which is good) and will also whitelist Steve, which is problemmatic. A few days later, I might get an email from Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED], and SpamSieve will pass this through as a non- spam email because it has whitelisted Steve. I can resolve the problem by deleting or disabling Steve from the white list, but I think that there should be a preference option to control the way in which names are automatically whitelisted. It would be better if only names that are reasonably distinct get whitelisted - e.g. first/second name combinations (Steve Smith). Jeremy
Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist
t sounds like one of your earlier filters is acting as a catch-all, preventing all subsequent filters from ever getting to it. Try moving How I wish. All my other filters are after the SpamSieve filters. And yes Andy it is set for incoming and always. Oh well. Maybe I'll figure it out. Wayne -- Nature can survive without man--in fact, that may be its salvation--but man cannot survive without nature. - Homero Aridjis
Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Wayne, I hate to ask but is your 'SpamSieve: evalutate' filter checked for incoming messages and 'Always'? -- Andy Fragen On Wed, Dec 15, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The problem is I don't think this is a SpamSieve issue. I say this because the application never get's launched at startup. It's like PM has decided that none of my email needs to be checked. I know from re-reading my archives that somebody had a very similar issue, so I was kind of hoping that they would chime in with the way to fix this. Wayne -Original Message- From: Andy Fragen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 15, 2004 1:53 PM To: PowerMail List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist From SS select View Show Whitelist. From there you can add or delete entries. -- Andy Fragen
Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist
It sounds like one of your earlier filters is acting as a catch-all, preventing all subsequent filters from ever getting to it. Try moving your spam filters to the top of the list. If SpamSieve gets invoked, move them down one, stop SpamSieve, and try again. Keep going until you find the filter that is turning off all subsequent ones when it shouldn't. Of course, this is easier said than done, as it requires you to wait for spam to arrive then stop SpamSieve on each iteration. Alternatively, wait till you get a single spam that isn't processed properly (these days, shouldn't be very long), pull it up in a window, then just look at the filters one by one, in order, thinking through exactly what it would do with that message. This is less empirical but works if you understand your filters well and can read them without making assumptions (ruthless empiricism is the key to debugging). Raul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is I don't think this is a SpamSieve issue. I say this because the application never get's launched at startup. It's like PM has decided that none of my email needs to be checked. I know from re-reading my archives that somebody had a very similar issue, so I was kind of hoping that they would chime in with the way to fix this. Wayne -Original Message- From: Andy Fragen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 15, 2004 1:53 PM To: PowerMail List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SpamSieve whitelist/PM whitelist From SS select View Show Whitelist. From there you can add or delete entries. -- Andy Fragen -- Raúl Vera Director Orbit 3 Pty Ltd 8 Coneill Place NSW 2037 Australia http://orbit3.com
