[ot] We hate Obama because......
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/21/tea-partiers-in-tax-day-p_n_546 909.html Given that Obama is so right wing he gives Liberals a bad name... who knows - fruitcakes! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/19f4fee1af56334bb1e275e95de0017a15f...@euros01.euro.local ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Remember November
http://remembernovember.com/ - Publius -- It ought never to be forgotten, that a firm union of this country, under an efficient government, will probably be an increasing object of jealousy to more than one nation of Europe; and that enterprises to subvert it will sometimes originate in the intrigues of foreign powers, and will seldom fail to be patronized and abetted by some of them. Its preservation, therefore ought in no case that can be avoided, to be committed to the guardianship of any but those whose situation will uniformly beget an immediate interest in the faithful and vigilant performance of the trust. [Federalist Papers #59] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/m2v56f880751004241038r3a8a9703he8657b8d0ba66...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [ot] We hate Obama because......
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Adam Buckland adam.buckl...@eurohill.com wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/21/tea-partiers-in-tax-day-p_n_546 909.html Given that Obama is so right wing he gives Liberals a bad name... who knows - fruitcakes! Is this for real..incredible.. A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/x2sa2b0cc711004241039wf9050aa5yc4b21607e7d8f...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Open source updates cost TIME instead of $$$
Pete, We have been buying our own toilet paper here for over a year. Honestly, there is a big difference between someone treating someone in a subhuman manner, and not sending them to a training class to learn something they could learn by reading a book, going online and reading forum, listening to podcasts, and the like. Your story is sad, but not comparable to the discussion of training. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/002d01cae3d9$4c142f00$e43c8d...@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
I was quite surprised with the GM turnaround - they had a lot of debt. The following is from a Corvette mailing list... On 4/24/2010 12:02 PM, Mike M. wrote: So what happened to the old GM? Is it something we don't talk about? a Mulligan? a Gimmie? - The reply by David K... was incredible The GM of old went bankrupt and changed its name to Motors Liquidation Company. Their new web site is here: https://www.motorsliquidation.com/ A new company was formed (Vehicle Acquisition Holdings LLC) and bought the rights and assets to GM's products, conveniently neglecting to take it's debt. GM changed it's name to Motors Liquidation and then Vehicle Acquisition LLC changed it's name to General Motors Company. Carl Lindner ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/000301cae3da$0bf1c490$23d54d...@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
It repaid the government loans with... government money. IOW, it's a joke. - Publius On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Carl Lindner c...@bdos.com wrote: I was quite surprised with the GM turnaround - they had a lot of debt. The following is from a Corvette mailing list... On 4/24/2010 12:02 PM, Mike M. wrote: So what happened to the old GM? Is it something we don't talk about? a Mulligan? a Gimmie? - The reply by David K... was incredible The GM of old went bankrupt and changed its name to Motors Liquidation Company. Their new web site is here: https://www.motorsliquidation.com/ A new company was formed (Vehicle Acquisition Holdings LLC) and bought the rights and assets to GM's products, conveniently neglecting to take it's debt. GM changed it's name to Motors Liquidation and then Vehicle Acquisition LLC changed it's name to General Motors Company. Carl Lindner [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/w2k56f880751004241119i5d0f61fcy371b6ac73e3c...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
so basically a shell game, similar to what the banks are doing when they park their assets off the balance sheets until after they report and then move them back onto the balance sheet after reporting. Don't know about you, but I consider that fraud. On 4/24/2010 1:14 PM, Carl Lindner wrote: I was quite surprised with the GM turnaround - they had a lot of debt. The following is from a Corvette mailing list... On 4/24/2010 12:02 PM, Mike M. wrote: So what happened to the old GM? Is it something we don't talk about? a Mulligan? a Gimmie? - The reply by David K... was incredible The GM of old went bankrupt and changed its name to Motors Liquidation Company. Their new web site is here: https://www.motorsliquidation.com/ A new company was formed (Vehicle Acquisition Holdings LLC) and bought the rights and assets to GM's products, conveniently neglecting to take it's debt. GM changed it's name to Motors Liquidation and then Vehicle Acquisition LLC changed it's name to General Motors Company. Carl Lindner [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd33650.6040...@ktc.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
Not sure you about that it seems the bond and stock holders lost the money. It appears a good number of people were shafted and the government was an insider. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Publius Maximus Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 2:19 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans It repaid the government loans with... government money. IOW, it's a joke. - Publius On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Carl Lindner c...@bdos.com wrote: I was quite surprised with the GM turnaround - they had a lot of debt. The following is from a Corvette mailing list... On 4/24/2010 12:02 PM, Mike M. wrote: So what happened to the old GM? Is it something we don't talk about? a Mulligan? a Gimmie? - The reply by David K... was incredible The GM of old went bankrupt and changed its name to Motors Liquidation Company. Their new web site is here: https://www.motorsliquidation.com/ A new company was formed (Vehicle Acquisition Holdings LLC) and bought the rights and assets to GM's products, conveniently neglecting to take it's debt. GM changed it's name to Motors Liquidation and then Vehicle Acquisition LLC changed it's name to General Motors Company. Carl Lindner [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/000301cae3df$f859fe60$e90dfb...@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
Care to elaborate on how they did that? ::michael On 4/24/10, Publius Maximus publius.b.maxi...@gmail.com wrote: It repaid the government loans with... government money. IOW, it's a joke. - Publius On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Carl Lindner c...@bdos.com wrote: I was quite surprised with the GM turnaround - they had a lot of debt. The following is from a Corvette mailing list... On 4/24/2010 12:02 PM, Mike M. wrote: So what happened to the old GM? Is it something we don't talk about? a Mulligan? a Gimmie? - The reply by David K... was incredible The GM of old went bankrupt and changed its name to Motors Liquidation Company. Their new web site is here: https://www.motorsliquidation.com/ A new company was formed (Vehicle Acquisition Holdings LLC) and bought the rights and assets to GM's products, conveniently neglecting to take it's debt. GM changed it's name to Motors Liquidation and then Vehicle Acquisition LLC changed it's name to General Motors Company. Carl Lindner [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/j2q7e1463a71004241202zf15eaa88p780caf3c8c4da...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com wrote: Care to elaborate on how they did that? http://bit.ly/bfmInX - - - General Motors announced this week that it repaid its multibillion-dollar taxpayer-backed TARP loans. GM even bragged that it was able to “repay the taxpayers in full, with interest, ahead of schedule, because more customers are buying [GM] vehicles.” There was great fanfare, including expensive, around-the-clock GM TV commercials nationwide. But, the hype is not the reality. In fact, GM did not repay the loans with money it earned from selling cars. Instead, GM repaid the TARP loans with money it withdrew from another TARP fund at the Treasury Department. The day before the GM story broke, Neil Barofsky, the government TARP watchdog, testified before the Senate Finance Committee. He explained that GM did not use earnings to repay its TARP debt. The April quarterly report to Congress from his office stated: “The source of funds for these quarterly [debt] payments will be other TARP funds currently held in an escrow account.” GM filings with the SEC reveal that GM was paying 7 percent interest on a $6.7 billion TARP debt. The filings also confirm that the source of funds for GM’s debt repayments was a multibillion-dollar TARP-funded escrow account at Treasury; that means it was taxpayer money — not earnings. - - - Even the father of modern corporate and government accounting, Bernard Madoff, couldn't come up with a better way to paper it up. But a fraud is still a fraud, even when it has the government seal of approval. - Publius ::michael On 4/24/10, Publius Maximus publius.b.maxi...@gmail.com wrote: It repaid the government loans with... government money. IOW, it's a joke. - Publius On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Carl Lindner c...@bdos.com wrote: I was quite surprised with the GM turnaround - they had a lot of debt. The following is from a Corvette mailing list... On 4/24/2010 12:02 PM, Mike M. wrote: So what happened to the old GM? Is it something we don't talk about? a Mulligan? a Gimmie? - The reply by David K... was incredible The GM of old went bankrupt and changed its name to Motors Liquidation Company. Their new web site is here: https://www.motorsliquidation.com/ A new company was formed (Vehicle Acquisition Holdings LLC) and bought the rights and assets to GM's products, conveniently neglecting to take it's debt. GM changed it's name to Motors Liquidation and then Vehicle Acquisition LLC changed it's name to General Motors Company. Carl Lindner [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/t2q56f880751004241205ib7926180qa883372b47027...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
Maybe... The new Arizona law is based on probable cause. There is some historical concurrence on what that is . The new financial regulatory reform is based on what the government deems to be the best interest of the nation. Say what? What does deem mean? So, you are wrong! It looks like a shell game, but cannot be! The government deemed it ok. QED! Carl -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 2:20 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans so basically a shell game, similar to what the banks are doing when they park their assets off the balance sheets until after they report and then move them back onto the balance sheet after reporting. Don't know about you, but I consider that fraud. On 4/24/2010 1:14 PM, Carl Lindner wrote: I was quite surprised with the GM turnaround - they had a lot of debt. The following is from a Corvette mailing list... On 4/24/2010 12:02 PM, Mike M. wrote: So what happened to the old GM? Is it something we don't talk about? a Mulligan? a Gimmie? - The reply by David K... was incredible The GM of old went bankrupt and changed its name to Motors Liquidation Company. Their new web site is here: https://www.motorsliquidation.com/ A new company was formed (Vehicle Acquisition Holdings LLC) and bought the rights and assets to GM's products, conveniently neglecting to take it's debt. GM changed it's name to Motors Liquidation and then Vehicle Acquisition LLC changed it's name to General Motors Company. Carl Lindner [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/000601cae3e1$834e8b70$89eba2...@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
grin Wonder how everybody will feel when the government deems it to be in the best interest of the country for everybody to get paid a flat rate of $5.00 per hour so that pricing will stabilize across the land and everybody will be on an even playing field. Bottom line, fraud is fraud, thieves are thieves and they all belong behind bars no matter what government position they hold. On 4/24/2010 2:08 PM, Carl Lindner wrote: Maybe... The new Arizona law is based on probable cause. There is some historical concurrence on what that is . The new financial regulatory reform is based on what the government deems to be the best interest of the nation. Say what? What does deem mean? So, you are wrong! It looks like a shell game, but cannot be! The government deemed it ok. QED! Carl -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 2:20 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans so basically a shell game, similar to what the banks are doing when they park their assets off the balance sheets until after they report and then move them back onto the balance sheet after reporting. Don't know about you, but I consider that fraud. On 4/24/2010 1:14 PM, Carl Lindner wrote: I was quite surprised with the GM turnaround - they had a lot of debt. The following is from a Corvette mailing list... On 4/24/2010 12:02 PM, Mike M. wrote: So what happened to the old GM? Is it something we don't talk about? a Mulligan? a Gimmie? - The reply by David K... was incredible The GM of old went bankrupt and changed its name to Motors Liquidation Company. Their new web site is here: https://www.motorsliquidation.com/ A new company was formed (Vehicle Acquisition Holdings LLC) and bought the rights and assets to GM's products, conveniently neglecting to take it's debt. GM changed it's name to Motors Liquidation and then Vehicle Acquisition LLC changed it's name to General Motors Company. Carl Lindner [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd343fa.30...@ktc.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
grin Wonder how everybody will feel when the government deems it to be in the best interest of the country for everybody to get paid a flat rate of $5.00 per hour so that pricing will stabilize across the land and everybody will be on an even playing field. Bottom line, fraud is fraud, thieves are thieves and they all belong behind bars no matter what government position they hold. On 4/24/2010 2:08 PM, Carl Lindner wrote: Maybe... The new Arizona law is based on probable cause. There is some historical concurrence on what that is . The new financial regulatory reform is based on what the government deems to be the best interest of the nation. Say what? What does deem mean? So, you are wrong! It looks like a shell game, but cannot be! The government deemed it ok. QED! Carl -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 2:20 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans so basically a shell game, similar to what the banks are doing when they park their assets off the balance sheets until after they report and then move them back onto the balance sheet after reporting. Don't know about you, but I consider that fraud. On 4/24/2010 1:14 PM, Carl Lindner wrote: I was quite surprised with the GM turnaround - they had a lot of debt. The following is from a Corvette mailing list... On 4/24/2010 12:02 PM, Mike M. wrote: So what happened to the old GM? Is it something we don't talk about? a Mulligan? a Gimmie? - The reply by David K... was incredible The GM of old went bankrupt and changed its name to Motors Liquidation Company. Their new web site is here: https://www.motorsliquidation.com/ A new company was formed (Vehicle Acquisition Holdings LLC) and bought the rights and assets to GM's products, conveniently neglecting to take it's debt. GM changed it's name to Motors Liquidation and then Vehicle Acquisition LLC changed it's name to General Motors Company. Carl Lindner [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd344f4.2090...@ktc.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Open source updates cost TIME instead of $$$
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:46 -0400, Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net wrote: We have been buying our own toilet paper here for over a year. Wow. I'm fairly sure that sort of nonsense would be illegal here. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1272138374.4334.1371713...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [ot] We hate Obama because......
Adam Buckland wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/21/tea-partiers-in-tax-day-p_n_546 909.html Given that Obama is so right wing he gives Liberals a bad name... who knows - fruitcakes! Hi Adam, A correspondent for New Left Media ventured out among the tea partiers during their tax day protests in Washington D.C. to interview them about what it is that's fueling their fierce opposition to the government in general and President Obama in particular. Suffice to say, the answers involve lots of wild-eyed claims about tyranny and socialism. What are the odds that a New Left Media interviewer would find clips like that to edit into his report? He spent a day, perhaps more than a day, with the far right fringe and found 11 minutes of material that supported his thesis. Sweet. The race hustlers did even worse. They waded in to a conservative demonstration a week or so ago with the intention of recording people saying the N-word and came up without the recordings they wanted. At least this guy managed to find some extreme views after all that effort. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd34d6d.80...@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
The stockholders got screwed in the GM bankruptcy, (eg chapter 11, reorganization). The stockholders were essentially wiped out. The GM labor union probably came out better than anyone else, as the GM pension liability was exchanged for stock in the new GM. Essentially all other debt of the old GM, including mortgages, bonds, notes, etc, were exchanged for equity, (eg stock), in the new GM. I wish good things for the new GM; only good things. America need an industrial base, which can be provided by a strong auto industry. The problems experienced by Toyota and other foreign automakers couldn't have come at a better time, which has to make one wonder weather its was all a coincidence, especially since the USA Federal Government became the major stockholder in the new GM, (eg 60% equity for 30 billion). LOL http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2009/05/19/30-investors-poised-to-lose-the-most-on-gm.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/02/AR2009060203217.html http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/06/president-obama-we-are-reluctant-shareholders-with-gm.html http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2009/05/19/30-investors-poised-to-lose-the-most-on-gm.html Regards, LelandJ On 04/24/2010 01:19 PM, Publius Maximus wrote: It repaid the government loans with... government money. IOW, it's a joke. - Publius On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Carl Lindnerc...@bdos.com wrote: I was quite surprised with the GM turnaround - they had a lot of debt. The following is from a Corvette mailing list... On 4/24/2010 12:02 PM, Mike M. wrote: So what happened to the old GM? Is it something we don't talk about? a Mulligan? a Gimmie? - The reply by David K... was incredible The GM of old went bankrupt and changed its name to Motors Liquidation Company. Their new web site is here: https://www.motorsliquidation.com/ A new company was formed (Vehicle Acquisition Holdings LLC) and bought the rights and assets to GM's products, conveniently neglecting to take it's debt. GM changed it's name to Motors Liquidation and then Vehicle Acquisition LLC changed it's name to General Motors Company. Carl Lindner [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd35b61.4070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Open source updates cost TIME instead of $$$
Rick Schummer wrote: Pete, We have been buying our own toilet paper here for over a year. Honestly, there is a big difference between someone treating someone in a subhuman manner, and not sending them to a training class to learn something they could learn by reading a book, going online and reading forum, listening to podcasts, and the like. Your story is sad, but not comparable to the discussion of training. Hi Rick, Funny you should mention training. They make us drive ten miles for a roll of toilet paper, but they have training on their website, you can train at home on your own time, but not on the job. I actually took about ten segments of the training. However, they did not credit me for the training. I haven't pursued *why* I didn't get credit. I expected it to be automatic - you have to be logged in to even see the lessons, but perhaps it is not. A lot of guys *did* get credit, written up in the (print) newsletter and all that. Odd. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd3680d.2040...@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Open source updates cost TIME instead of $$$
Alan Bourke wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:46 -0400, Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net wrote: We have been buying our own toilet paper here for over a year. Wow. I'm fairly sure that sort of nonsense would be illegal here. Hi Alan, Seems (from my aging memory) that you are in the socialist UK and spend some time in the socialist northern USA as well. In Florida we only have socialism for the rich, the poor have to supply the capital and the labor. I have always had to buy my own software, and often my own computer as well. One time I had an hourly job where the boss told me to clock out at a certain time, then continue working until I had the rest of the work done. That was in Michigan. That boss has by now relocated to Florida. We even have bosses in some companies using key loggers and paying employees so much for so many keystrokes and not by the hour. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd3698a.3010...@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
I wish good things for the new GM; only good things. America need an industrial base, which can be provided by a strong auto industry. If we really wanted an industrial base, we'd do away with the income tax altogether, re-institute the ad-valorum tariff revenue system, applicable to all articles of foreign manufacture, and eliminate capital gains taxes on investments in American labor. Free trade would mean, as it used to mean, joining the Union as a state (with all the Constitutional rights and responsibilities thereof). But we want a one-world, ecumenical union of the peoples of the world, to quote Bastiat, so, consequently, America (and every other nation-state) must be destroyed. And this is what is happening, all the world over. All that is lacking is a world currency. Then, the Tower of Babel 2.0 will be complete. As if Babel 2.0 has any better chance of success. - Publius -- It ought never to be forgotten, that a firm union of this country, under an efficient government, will probably be an increasing object of jealousy to more than one nation of Europe; and that enterprises to subvert it will sometimes originate in the intrigues of foreign powers, and will seldom fail to be patronized and abetted by some of them. Its preservation, therefore ought in no case that can be avoided, to be committed to the guardianship of any but those whose situation will uniformly beget an immediate interest in the faithful and vigilant performance of the trust. [Federalist Papers #59] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/p2i56f880751004241746o6c095679v58d6e1fbe073b...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
I too see this happening, but I am not familiar with the bastiat name. please update me. Thanks, Virgil http://www.KeepAmericaAtWork.com On 4/24/2010 7:46 PM, Publius Maximus wrote: I wish good things for the new GM; only good things. America need an industrial base, which can be provided by a strong auto industry. If we really wanted an industrial base, we'd do away with the income tax altogether, re-institute the ad-valorum tariff revenue system, applicable to all articles of foreign manufacture, and eliminate capital gains taxes on investments in American labor. Free trade would mean, as it used to mean, joining the Union as a state (with all the Constitutional rights and responsibilities thereof). But we want a one-world, ecumenical union of the peoples of the world, to quote Bastiat, so, consequently, America (and every other nation-state) must be destroyed. And this is what is happening, all the world over. All that is lacking is a world currency. Then, the Tower of Babel 2.0 will be complete. As if Babel 2.0 has any better chance of success. - Publius No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2833 - Release Date: 04/24/10 13:31:00 -- Virgil Bierschwale Vets Finding Vets http://www.VetsFindingVets.org Keep America At Work http://www.KeepAmericaAtWork.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd3919d.1050...@ktc.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Virgil Bierschwale vbier...@ktc.com wrote: I too see this happening, but I am not familiar with the bastiat name. please update me. http://tinyurl.com/36brt8c ;-) - Publius Thanks, Virgil http://www.KeepAmericaAtWork.com On 4/24/2010 7:46 PM, Publius Maximus wrote: I wish good things for the new GM; only good things. America need an industrial base, which can be provided by a strong auto industry. If we really wanted an industrial base, we'd do away with the income tax altogether, re-institute the ad-valorum tariff revenue system, applicable to all articles of foreign manufacture, and eliminate capital gains taxes on investments in American labor. Free trade would mean, as it used to mean, joining the Union as a state (with all the Constitutional rights and responsibilities thereof). But we want a one-world, ecumenical union of the peoples of the world, to quote Bastiat, so, consequently, America (and every other nation-state) must be destroyed. And this is what is happening, all the world over. All that is lacking is a world currency. Then, the Tower of Babel 2.0 will be complete. As if Babel 2.0 has any better chance of success. - Publius No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2833 - Release Date: 04/24/10 13:31:00 -- Virgil Bierschwale Vets Finding Vets http://www.VetsFindingVets.org Keep America At Work http://www.KeepAmericaAtWork.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/h2m56f880751004241754g8bb0d3fax6e4903a0d8ed7...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
yeah, I saw that.. just wasn't sure it was the correct person... Will read more. Thanks, Virgil On 4/24/2010 7:54 PM, Publius Maximus wrote: On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Virgil Bierschwalevbier...@ktc.com wrote: I too see this happening, but I am not familiar with the bastiat name. please update me. http://tinyurl.com/36brt8c ;-) - Publius Thanks, Virgil http://www.KeepAmericaAtWork.com On 4/24/2010 7:46 PM, Publius Maximus wrote: I wish good things for the new GM; only good things. America need an industrial base, which can be provided by a strong auto industry. If we really wanted an industrial base, we'd do away with the income tax altogether, re-institute the ad-valorum tariff revenue system, applicable to all articles of foreign manufacture, and eliminate capital gains taxes on investments in American labor. Free trade would mean, as it used to mean, joining the Union as a state (with all the Constitutional rights and responsibilities thereof). But we want a one-world, ecumenical union of the peoples of the world, to quote Bastiat, so, consequently, America (and every other nation-state) must be destroyed. And this is what is happening, all the world over. All that is lacking is a world currency. Then, the Tower of Babel 2.0 will be complete. As if Babel 2.0 has any better chance of success. - Publius No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2833 - Release Date: 04/24/10 13:31:00 -- Virgil Bierschwale Vets Finding Vetshttp://www.VetsFindingVets.org Keep America At Workhttp://www.KeepAmericaAtWork.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd39372.2010...@ktc.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] GM Repays Govt Loans
On 04/24/2010 07:46 PM, Publius Maximus wrote: I wish good things for the new GM; only good things. America need an industrial base, which can be provided by a strong auto industry. If we really wanted an industrial base, we'd do away with the income tax altogether, re-institute the ad-valorum tariff revenue system, applicable to all articles of foreign manufacture, and eliminate capital gains taxes on investments in American labor. The USA cannot isolate itself economically from the rest of the world. We are part of a global economy, so if you're looking to build a utopia, you must build it globally. Bastiat understood the harm of tariffs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Bastiat Free trade would mean, as it used to mean, joining the Union as a state (with all the Constitutional rights and responsibilities thereof). Things we different then. People were different. Economies were different. In the early days after the 13 colonies/states joined together into the United States of America, there was no global economy, no international communications via cell phones, internet, land lines, no international air travel, no international air transport or shipping. The world has change since 1776. But we want a one-world, ecumenical union of the peoples of the world, to quote Bastiat, so, consequently, America (and every other nation-state) must be destroyed. Countries around the would have evolved ecumenically over the last 500 years, especially economically, and I expect the trend will continue. Bastiat was ahead of his time and had a greater influence on American economics, than in his home country of France. Quoting Gastiat without the full content in which the quote appeared can greatly misrepresent his message/lessons/thinking. And this is what is happening, all the world over. Yes, speaking broadly, countries and economies are gowning more ecumenical. All that is lacking is a world currency. Then, the Tower of Babel 2.0 will be complete. As if Babel 2.0 has any better chance of success. - Publius ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd3c052.9050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] Limited Connectivity
I am having progressive problems with my XP SP3 Desktop: 1. [ALT]+[Ctrl]+[Del] doesn't reboot 2. [Startkey] [U] [R] doesn't reboot 3. Repeating #2 doesn't reboot 4. [Startkey] [U] [U] reboots on second try 5. Both Internet Explorer and Firefox take about 3 minutes to load 6. Belkin Wireless gives [Limited Connectivity] 7. Same USB Belkin Wireless card in different USB port gives [Limited Connectivity] 8. Taking the Card to a Vista machine, it works fine I installed Driver for Belkin, rebooted and reinstalled. No change. Has been going on for about a week. Did the recent Updates from MS cause this? Suggestions -- *Charles* -- Website: *http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch* http://homepages.uc.edu/%7Eenzerch --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4bd3d6ec.7050...@ucmail.uc.edu ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
