Re: [NF] Domain renewal
Learned something... thanks! :) On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:18 AM, roger tremblay rogt...@gmail.com wrote: namecheap.com On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Jerry Wolper jwol...@swanzoco.com wrote: I have a .us domain that's about to expire, and GoDaddy wants $20/year to renew it. Can someone recommend a cheaper registrar? -- .~. Might, Courage, Vision. SINCERITY! / v \ 64-bit Ubuntu 9.10 (Linux kernel 2.6.39.3) /( _ )\ http://sites.google.com/site/changmw ^ ^ May the Force and farces be with you! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAGv=MJALsjyztjwNjmZeTt6N=1kuw7rvnrb8bfv_7kyjq7l...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Inventing on Principal
Malcolm, What a great discovery and wonderful viewing. Anyone involved with programming should view this and re-assess their design philosophy! Dave -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm Greene Sent: 26 August 2012 18:47 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: [NF] Inventing on Principal Stumbled across the following post on Python list: quote After watching Bret Victor's talk[1], I want **much** better tools for programming (and all of the other stuff I do on the computer). John Resig, creator of jQuery, claims[2] that Victor's presentation inspired the new platform for learning javascript at Khan Academy[3]. I plan to try it out. [1] http://vimeo.com/36579366 [2] http://ejohn.org/blog/introducing-khan-cs/ [3] http://www.khanacademy.org/cs /quote I recommend the vimeo video (Inventing on Principal) which demonstrates some really cool (experimental) programming tools. Malcolm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/bd031ecabf2b60499200aab3dbb4a999f1262...@ex-a-fpl.fpl.LOCAL ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America
If you're one of those people who think that the USA is better than every other country at everything, stop reading and click 'Delete' now. This will offend you greatly. For the rest of us, it is a sobering look at America from the point of view of an American who has lived in many parts of the world. Imagine you have a brother and he’s an alcoholic. He has his moments, but you keep your distance from him. You don’t mind him for the occasional family gathering or holiday. You still love him. But you don’t want to be around him. This is how I lovingly describe my current relationship with the United States. The United States is my alcoholic brother. And although I will always love him, I don’t want to be near him at the moment. http://bananenplanet.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/10-things-most-americans-dont-know-about-america/ ( -or- http://goo.gl/udBAH ) -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1def6ee7-4899-4871-b794-afbcde290...@rackspace.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America
Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their country sucks. From: Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com To: ProFox Mailing List profox@leafe.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:49 PM Subject: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America If you're one of those people who think that the USA is better than every other country at everything, stop reading and click 'Delete' now. This will offend you greatly. For the rest of us, it is a sobering look at America from the point of view of an American who has lived in many parts of the world. Imagine you have a brother and he’s an alcoholic. He has his moments, but you keep your distance from him. You don’t mind him for the occasional family gathering or holiday. You still love him. But you don’t want to be around him. This is how I lovingly describe my current relationship with the United States. The United States is my alcoholic brother. And although I will always love him, I don’t want to be near him at the moment. http://bananenplanet.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/10-things-most-americans-dont-know-about-america/ ( -or- http://goo.gl/udBAH ) -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1def6ee7-4899-4871-b794-afbcde290...@rackspace.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1346443788.76407.yahoomail...@web122303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America
Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their country sucks. Gee, Mike. It's possible to post a list of things you don't like about your country without hating it; you may just want to make it better. Or should we read all your criticisms as evidence that you hate America? -Jerry ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5040f7a9.6286.1bc...@jwolper.swanzoco.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America
Very enlightening prospective that could only come from someone having a boarder world wide experience of living in many countries around the world outside the sphere of USA influence. Regards, LelandJ in many countries around the world. On 08/31/2012 12:49 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: If you're one of those people who think that the USA is better than every other country at everything, stop reading and click 'Delete' now. This will offend you greatly. For the rest of us, it is a sobering look at America from the point of view of an American who has lived in many parts of the world. Imagine you have a brother and he’s an alcoholic. He has his moments, but you keep your distance from him. You don’t mind him for the occasional family gathering or holiday. You still love him. But you don’t want to be around him. This is how I lovingly describe my current relationship with the United States. The United States is my alcoholic brother. And although I will always love him, I don’t want to be near him at the moment. http://bananenplanet.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/10-things-most-americans-dont-know-about-america/ ( -or- http://goo.gl/udBAH ) -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1def6ee7-4899-4871-b794-afbcde290...@rackspace.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5041326d.9040...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America
Jerry, This list has people from all over the world, France, Germany, Australia, The UK, China, Egypt, Belgium, India, Columbia, Argentina, Iran, and others. Have you ever seen a single person from a country other than the US ever post a list of things they didn't like about their country? Why are there so many self-loathing Americans? Do citizens of other countries wring their hands about being too patriotic? - Original Message - From: Jerry Wolper jwol...@swanzoco.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their country sucks. Gee, Mike. It's possible to post a list of things you don't like about your country without hating it; you may just want to make it better. Or should we read all your criticisms as evidence that you hate America? -Jerry ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5040f7a9.6286.1bc...@jwolper.swanzoco.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1346449868.15420.yahoomail...@web122305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America
He knew you'd like it. - Original Message - From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America Very enlightening prospective that could only come from someone having a boarder world wide experience of living in many countries around the world outside the sphere of USA influence. Regards, LelandJ in many countries around the world. On 08/31/2012 12:49 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: If you're one of those people who think that the USA is better than every other country at everything, stop reading and click 'Delete' now. This will offend you greatly. For the rest of us, it is a sobering look at America from the point of view of an American who has lived in many parts of the world. Imagine you have a brother and he’s an alcoholic. He has his moments, but you keep your distance from him. You don’t mind him for the occasional family gathering or holiday. You still love him. But you don’t want to be around him. This is how I lovingly describe my current relationship with the United States. The United States is my alcoholic brother. And although I will always love him, I don’t want to be near him at the moment. http://bananenplanet.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/10-things-most-americans-dont-know-about-america/ ( -or- http://goo.gl/udBAH ) -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1def6ee7-4899-4871-b794-afbcde290...@rackspace.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5041326d.9040...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1346449899.3430.yahoomail...@web122304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America
Spoken like a true denier, Mike. The first step to a solution to any problem is to recognize and admit their is a problem. LOL Regards, LelandJ On 08/31/2012 03:09 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their country sucks. From: Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com To: ProFox Mailing List profox@leafe.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:49 PM Subject: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America If you're one of those people who think that the USA is better than every other country at everything, stop reading and click 'Delete' now. This will offend you greatly. For the rest of us, it is a sobering look at America from the point of view of an American who has lived in many parts of the world. Imagine you have a brother and he’s an alcoholic. He has his moments, but you keep your distance from him. You don’t mind him for the occasional family gathering or holiday. You still love him. But you don’t want to be around him. This is how I lovingly describe my current relationship with the United States. The United States is my alcoholic brother. And although I will always love him, I don’t want to be near him at the moment. http://bananenplanet.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/10-things-most-americans-dont-know-about-america/ ( -or- http://goo.gl/udBAH ) -- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50413539.8020...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America
You and Ed are probably the only America-haters in Texas. - Original Message - From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America Spoken like a true denier, Mike. The first step to a solution to any problem is to recognize and admit their is a problem. LOL Regards, LelandJ On 08/31/2012 03:09 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their country sucks. From: Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com To: ProFox Mailing List profox@leafe.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:49 PM Subject: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America If you're one of those people who think that the USA is better than every other country at everything, stop reading and click 'Delete' now. This will offend you greatly. For the rest of us, it is a sobering look at America from the point of view of an American who has lived in many parts of the world. Imagine you have a brother and he’s an alcoholic. He has his moments, but you keep your distance from him. You don’t mind him for the occasional family gathering or holiday. You still love him. But you don’t want to be around him. This is how I lovingly describe my current relationship with the United States. The United States is my alcoholic brother. And although I will always love him, I don’t want to be near him at the moment. http://bananenplanet.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/10-things-most-americans-dont-know-about-america/ ( -or- http://goo.gl/udBAH ) -- Ed Lea[excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1346451525.17460.yahoomail...@web122302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America
Patriotism has it place Mike, but not false pride. I listened to much of the Republican National Convention and got a ear full of the need for America to remain a world leader with strong preemptive military powers, and the need for America to be a Democratic, Economic, and Moral role model for the rest of the world. Condi Rice especially spoke to the need for America to enlightenment the rest of the world by example or force if needed. Condi also spoke about, as a young girl growing up in the segregated south, that she could aspire to becoming the President of the USA. What do you think, Mike. Will Condi Rick run for president in 2016, or perhaps we will have a Jeb Bush, Condi Rice neoconservative bid. LOL The point I'm making is this approach has already been tried from 2000 to 2008, and proved to be prohibitively costly in terms of loss of international esteem, loss of life, loss of national treasure and loss of property, and resulted in almost no return in term of achieving the desired results. It's also interesting to note that neoconservative, who register as Republicans, claim to be conservatives, but really spend more and create more government, than liberals. LOL It's hard to sell the USA to the rest of the world, as a shinning example of success, when so many other countries have living standard much better than ours. # Excerpt: Neoconservatism is a variant of the political ideology of conservatism which combines features of traditional (paleo) conservatism, military interventionism, social conservatism, nationalism, and a qualified endorsement of free markets.[1] Neoconservatism (or new conservatism) is rooted in a group of former liberals, who in the late 1960s, began to embrace nationalism and interventionism in opposition the rise of the USSR and moved significantly to the right of the spectrum. #--- Regards, LelandJ On 08/31/2012 04:51 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: Jerry, This list has people from all over the world, France, Germany, Australia, The UK, China, Egypt, Belgium, India, Columbia, Argentina, Iran, and others. Have you ever seen a single person from a country other than the US ever post a list of things they didn't like about their country? Why are there so many self-loathing Americans? Do citizens of other countries wring their hands about being too patriotic? - Original Message - From: Jerry Wolper jwol...@swanzoco.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their country sucks. Gee, Mike. It's possible to post a list of things you don't like about your country without hating it; you may just want to make it better. Or should we read all your criticisms as evidence that you hate America? -Jerry [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/504143ba.9050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America
You really have no clue do you? Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:07 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: Patriotism has it place Mike, but not false pride. I listened to much of the Republican National Convention and got a ear full of the need for America to remain a world leader with strong preemptive military powers, and the need for America to be a Democratic, Economic, and Moral role model for the rest of the world. Condi Rice especially spoke to the need for America to enlightenment the rest of the world by example or force if needed. Condi also spoke about, as a young girl growing up in the segregated south, that she could aspire to becoming the President of the USA. What do you think, Mike. Will Condi Rick run for president in 2016, or perhaps we will have a Jeb Bush, Condi Rice neoconservative bid. LOL The point I'm making is this approach has already been tried from 2000 to 2008, and proved to be prohibitively costly in terms of loss of international esteem, loss of life, loss of national treasure and loss of property, and resulted in almost no return in term of achieving the desired results. It's also interesting to note that neoconservative, who register as Republicans, claim to be conservatives, but really spend more and create more government, than liberals. LOL It's hard to sell the USA to the rest of the world, as a shinning example of success, when so many other countries have living standard much better than ours. # Excerpt: Neoconservatism is a variant of the political ideology of conservatism which combines features of traditional (paleo) conservatism, military interventionism, social conservatism, nationalism, and a qualified endorsement of free markets.[1] Neoconservatism (or new conservatism) is rooted in a group of former liberals, who in the late 1960s, began to embrace nationalism and interventionism in opposition the rise of the USSR and moved significantly to the right of the spectrum. #--- Regards, LelandJ On 08/31/2012 04:51 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: Jerry, This list has people from all over the world, France, Germany, Australia, The UK, China, Egypt, Belgium, India, Columbia, Argentina, Iran, and others. Have you ever seen a single person from a country other than the US ever post a list of things they didn't like about their country? Why are there so many self-loathing Americans? Do citizens of other countries wring their hands about being too patriotic? - Original Message - From: Jerry Wolper jwol...@swanzoco.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their country sucks. Gee, Mike. It's possible to post a list of things you don't like about your country without hating it; you may just want to make it better. Or should we read all your criticisms as evidence that you hate America? -Jerry [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/27be9c8f-3a5f-484e-b5bd-337d57f31...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America
I have no problem with listing things that need fixing but when these people don't want to come back to visit our country, that's when I am turned off and think they are just plain jerks. If your brother is an alcoholic, you try to do something, not roll him out of the closet on special occasions. As I was reading this article I realized that every point applies to some other country as well. Anybody can come up with anecdotal themes to explain one's point but so what? E.g. go to any country and ask someone where Iowa is. I'll bet 100% of them wouldn't know. That proves nothing about whether our citizens know what's going on in the world. Another one: We are consumed by our success attitude which is caused by massive corruption. Every country in the world has the same problem with corruption. India, Afghanistan, and many more are constantly in the news about their vast culture of corruption. So the author is full of b.s. Every country's citizens are striving for material success not just here. - Original Message - From: Michael Madigan mmadi10...@yahoo.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their country sucks. From: Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com To: ProFox Mailing List profox@leafe.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:49 PM Subject: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America If you're one of those people who think that the USA is better than every other country at everything, stop reading and click 'Delete' now. This will offend you greatly. For the rest of us, it is a sobering look at America from the point of view of an American who has lived in many parts of the world. Imagine you have a brother and he’s an alcoholic. He has his moments, but you keep your distance from him. You don’t mind him for the occasional family gathering or holiday. You still love him. But you don’t want to be around him. This is how I lovingly describe my current relationship with the United States. The United States is my alcoholic brother. And although I will always love him, I don’t want to be near him at the moment. http://bananenplanet.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/10-things-most-americans-dont-know-about-america/ ( -or- http://goo.gl/udBAH ) -- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/081C917A7EE045C3B7B39AC31DF5D3AD@dual ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America
He has no clue that he has no clue. LOL - Original Message - From: Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America You really have no clue do you? Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:07 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: Patriotism has it place Mike, but not false pride. I listened to much of the Republican National Convention and got a ear full of the need for America to remain a world leader with strong preemptive military powers, and the need for America to be a Democratic, Economic, and Moral role model for the rest of the world. Condi Rice especially spoke to the need for America to enlightenment the rest of the world by example or force if needed. Condi also spoke about, as a young girl growing up in the segregated south, that she could aspire to becoming the President of the USA. What do you think, Mike. Will Condi Rick run for president in 2016, or perhaps we will have a Jeb Bush, Condi Rice neoconservative bid. LOL The point I'm making is this approach has already been tried from 2000 to 2008, and proved to be prohibitively costly in terms of loss of international esteem, loss of life, loss of national treasure and loss of property, and resulted in almost no return in term of achieving the desired results. It's also interesting to note that neoconservative, who register as Republicans, claim to be conservatives, but really spend more and create more government, than liberals. LOL It's hard to sell the USA to the rest of the world, as a shinning example of success, when so many other countries have living standard much better than ours. # Excerpt: Neoconservatism is a variant of the political ideology of conservatism which combines features of traditional (paleo) conservatism, military interventionism, social conservatism, nationalism, and a qualified endorsement of free markets.[1] Neoconservatism (or new conservatism) is rooted in a group of former liberals, who in the late 1960s, began to embrace nationalism and interventionism in opposition the rise of the USSR and moved significantly to the right of the spectrum. #--- Regards, LelandJ On 08/31/2012 04:51 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: Jerry, This list has people from all over the world, France, Germany, Australia, The UK, China, Egypt, Belgium, India, Columbia, Argentina, Iran, and others. Have you ever seen a single person from a country other than the US ever post a list of things they didn't like about their country? Why are there so many self-loathing Americans? Do citizens of other countries wring their hands about being too patriotic? - Original Message - From: Jerry Wolper jwol...@swanzoco.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their country sucks. Gee, Mike. It's possible to post a list of things you don't like about your country without hating it; you may just want to make it better. Or should we read all your criticisms as evidence that you hate America? -Jerry [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/27be9c8f-3a5f-484e-b5bd-337d57f31...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1346457067.92839.yahoomail...@web122303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I've been around long enough to know we should never again go down the political, policies road we travel from 2000 to 2008. There's an 800 pound gorilla down that road that will chew us up and spit us out if we do. Regards, LelandJ On 08/31/2012 06:23 PM, Michael Oke wrote: You really have no clue do you? Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:07 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: Patriotism has it place Mike, but not false pride. I listened to much of the Republican National Convention and got a ear full of the need for America to remain a world leader with strong preemptive military powers, and the need for America to be a Democratic, Economic, and Moral role model for the rest of the world. Condi Rice especially spoke to the need for America to enlightenment the rest of the world by example or force if needed. Condi also spoke about, as a young girl growing up in the segregated south, that she could aspire to becoming the President of the USA. What do you think, Mike. Will Condi Rick run for president in 2016, or perhaps we will have a Jeb Bush, Condi Rice neoconservative bid. LOL The point I'm making is this approach has already been tried from 2000 to 2008, and proved to be prohibitively costly in terms of loss of international esteem, loss of life, loss of national treasure and loss of property, and resulted in almost no return in term of achieving the desired results. It's also interesting to note that neoconservative, who register as Republicans, claim to be conservatives, but really spend more and create more government, than liberals. LOL It's hard to sell the USA to the rest of the world, as a shinning example of success, when so many other countries have living standard much better than ours. # Excerpt: Neoconservatism is a variant of the political ideology of conservatism which combines features of traditional (paleo) conservatism, military interventionism, social conservatism, nationalism, and a qualified endorsement of free markets.[1] Neoconservatism (or new conservatism) is rooted in a group of former liberals, who in the late 1960s, began to embrace nationalism and interventionism in opposition the rise of the USSR and moved significantly to the right of the spectrum. #--- Regards, LelandJ On 08/31/2012 04:51 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: Jerry, This list has people from all over the world, France, Germany, Australia, The UK, China, Egypt, Belgium, India, Columbia, Argentina, Iran, and others. Have you ever seen a single person from a country other than the US ever post a list of things they didn't like about their country? Why are there so many self-loathing Americans? Do citizens of other countries wring their hands about being too patriotic? - Original Message - From: Jerry Wolper jwol...@swanzoco.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their country sucks. Gee, Mike. It's possible to post a list of things you don't like about your country without hating it; you may just want to make it better. Or should we read all your criticisms as evidence that you hate America? -Jerry [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/504152ae.8030...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Cute. Regards, LelandJ On 08/31/2012 06:51 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: He has no clue that he has no clue. LOL - Original Message - From: Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America You really have no clue do you? Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:07 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: Patriotism has it place Mike, but not false pride. I listened to much of the Republican National Convention and got a ear full of the need for America to remain a world leader with strong preemptive military powers, and the need for America to be a Democratic, Economic, and Moral role model for the rest of the world. Condi Rice especially spoke to the need for America to enlightenment the rest of the world by example or force if needed. Condi also spoke about, as a young girl growing up in the segregated south, that she could aspire to becoming the President of the USA. What do you think, Mike. Will Condi Rick run for president in 2016, or perhaps we will have a Jeb Bush, Condi Rice neoconservative bid. LOL The point I'm making is this approach has already been tried from 2000 to 2008, and proved to be prohibitively costly in terms of loss of international esteem, loss of life, loss of national treasure and loss of property, and resulted in almost no return in term of achieving the desired results. It's also interesting to note that neoconservative, who register as Republicans, claim to be conservatives, but really spend more and create more government, than liberals. LOL It's hard to sell the USA to the rest of the world, as a shinning example of success, when so many other countries have living standard much better than ours. # Excerpt: Neoconservatism is a variant of the political ideology of conservatism which combines features of traditional (paleo) conservatism, military interventionism, social conservatism, nationalism, and a qualified endorsement of free markets.[1] Neoconservatism (or new conservatism) is rooted in a group of former liberals, who in the late 1960s, began to embrace nationalism and interventionism in opposition the rise of the USSR and moved significantly to the right of the spectrum. #--- Regards, LelandJ On 08/31/2012 04:51 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: Jerry, This list has people from all over the world, France, Germany, Australia, The UK, China, Egypt, Belgium, India, Columbia, Argentina, Iran, and others. Have you ever seen a single person from a country other than the US ever post a list of things they didn't like about their country? Why are there so many self-loathing Americans? Do citizens of other countries wring their hands about being too patriotic? - Original Message - From: Jerry Wolper jwol...@swanzoco.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their country sucks. Gee, Mike. It's possible to post a list of things you don't like about your country without hating it; you may just want to make it better. Or should we read all your criticisms as evidence that you hate America? -Jerry [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/504152f7.2070...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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You're right, bowing to other countries is a much superior tack to take. You are more than clueless and the time that you have been around makes zero difference. Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Aug 31, 2012, at 5:11 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: I've been around long enough to know we should never again go down the political, policies road we travel from 2000 to 2008. There's an 800 pound gorilla down that road that will chew us up and spit us out if we do. Regards, LelandJ On 08/31/2012 06:23 PM, Michael Oke wrote: You really have no clue do you? Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:07 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: Patriotism has it place Mike, but not false pride. I listened to much of the Republican National Convention and got a ear full of the need for America to remain a world leader with strong preemptive military powers, and the need for America to be a Democratic, Economic, and Moral role model for the rest of the world. Condi Rice especially spoke to the need for America to enlightenment the rest of the world by example or force if needed. Condi also spoke about, as a young girl growing up in the segregated south, that she could aspire to becoming the President of the USA. What do you think, Mike. Will Condi Rick run for president in 2016, or perhaps we will have a Jeb Bush, Condi Rice neoconservative bid. LOL The point I'm making is this approach has already been tried from 2000 to 2008, and proved to be prohibitively costly in terms of loss of international esteem, loss of life, loss of national treasure and loss of property, and resulted in almost no return in term of achieving the desired results. It's also interesting to note that neoconservative, who register as Republicans, claim to be conservatives, but really spend more and create more government, than liberals. LOL It's hard to sell the USA to the rest of the world, as a shinning example of success, when so many other countries have living standard much better than ours. # Excerpt: Neoconservatism is a variant of the political ideology of conservatism which combines features of traditional (paleo) conservatism, military interventionism, social conservatism, nationalism, and a qualified endorsement of free markets.[1] Neoconservatism (or new conservatism) is rooted in a group of former liberals, who in the late 1960s, began to embrace nationalism and interventionism in opposition the rise of the USSR and moved significantly to the right of the spectrum. #--- Regards, LelandJ On 08/31/2012 04:51 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: Jerry, This list has people from all over the world, France, Germany, Australia, The UK, China, Egypt, Belgium, India, Columbia, Argentina, Iran, and others. Have you ever seen a single person from a country other than the US ever post a list of things they didn't like about their country? Why are there so many self-loathing Americans? Do citizens of other countries wring their hands about being too patriotic? - Original Message - From: Jerry Wolper jwol...@swanzoco.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their country sucks. Gee, Mike. It's possible to post a list of things you don't like about your country without hating it; you may just want to make it better. Or should we read all your criticisms as evidence that you hate America? -Jerry [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/8b44f432-a048-44d4-886c-6e4948f0d...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Stop putting words in my month. I never said American should bow down to the rest of the world. I implied American might be too prideful in thinking the rest of the world should bow down to her in awe and admiration, as the world leader. LOL I think the world should live in peace, respectfully tolerating, even honoring, difference, while sharing in one another's successes. BTW, I'm all ears, if you care to clue me in. Regards, LelandJ On 08/31/2012 07:11 PM, Michael Oke wrote: You're right, bowing to other countries is a much superior tack to take. You are more than clueless and the time that you have been around makes zero difference. Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Aug 31, 2012, at 5:11 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: I've been around long enough to know we should never again go down the political, policies road we travel from 2000 to 2008. There's an 800 pound gorilla down that road that will chew us up and spit us out if we do. Regards, LelandJ On 08/31/2012 06:23 PM, Michael Oke wrote: You really have no clue do you? Michael Oke, II 661-349-6221 Contents of this and all messages are intended for their designated recipient. On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:07 PM, lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com wrote: Patriotism has it place Mike, but not false pride. I listened to much of the Republican National Convention and got a ear full of the need for America to remain a world leader with strong preemptive military powers, and the need for America to be a Democratic, Economic, and Moral role model for the rest of the world. Condi Rice especially spoke to the need for America to enlightenment the rest of the world by example or force if needed. Condi also spoke about, as a young girl growing up in the segregated south, that she could aspire to becoming the President of the USA. What do you think, Mike. Will Condi Rick run for president in 2016, or perhaps we will have a Jeb Bush, Condi Rice neoconservative bid. LOL The point I'm making is this approach has already been tried from 2000 to 2008, and proved to be prohibitively costly in terms of loss of international esteem, loss of life, loss of national treasure and loss of property, and resulted in almost no return in term of achieving the desired results. It's also interesting to note that neoconservative, who register as Republicans, claim to be conservatives, but really spend more and create more government, than liberals. LOL It's hard to sell the USA to the rest of the world, as a shinning example of success, when so many other countries have living standard much better than ours. # Excerpt: Neoconservatism is a variant of the political ideology of conservatism which combines features of traditional (paleo) conservatism, military interventionism, social conservatism, nationalism, and a qualified endorsement of free markets.[1] Neoconservatism (or new conservatism) is rooted in a group of former liberals, who in the late 1960s, began to embrace nationalism and interventionism in opposition the rise of the USSR and moved significantly to the right of the spectrum. #--- Regards, LelandJ On 08/31/2012 04:51 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: Jerry, This list has people from all over the world, France, Germany, Australia, The UK, China, Egypt, Belgium, India, Columbia, Argentina, Iran, and others. Have you ever seen a single person from a country other than the US ever post a list of things they didn't like about their country? Why are there so many self-loathing Americans? Do citizens of other countries wring their hands about being too patriotic? - Original Message - From: Jerry Wolper jwol...@swanzoco.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their country sucks. Gee, Mike. It's possible to post a list of things you don't like about your country without hating it; you may just want to make it better. Or should we read all your criticisms as evidence that you hate America? -Jerry [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50415b0e.2050...@mail.smvfp.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to
