Re: Screen Hacking a Problem...

2013-01-17 Thread Frank Cazabon

Hey Dan,

I would think that harder to maintain is very subjective as I find 
them much much much easier to maintain than PRGs.


Do you have some statistics to backup your assertion that running an SCX 
is slower than a PRG (I have no doubt it is, but I'd like to see by how 
much).


Thanks

Frank.

Frank Cazabon

On 16/01/2013 05:17 PM, Dan Covill wrote:

an SCX is both slower in operation and harder to maintain



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Re: Screen Hacking a Problem...

2013-01-17 Thread Alan Bourke


On Thu, Jan 17, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Frank Cazabon wrote:
 Hey Dan,
 
 I would think that harder to maintain is very subjective as I find 
 them much much much easier to maintain than PRGs.
 

PRGs work better with source control though.

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Re: Screen Hacking a Problem...

2013-01-17 Thread AndyHC
If you're dealing with @GET/SAY stuff then a re-write is probably in 
order. Can you actually segregate the screen stuff from the I/O stuff 
and business logic? (we used to make toxic program soup in the old days!).

If so then I would suggest a staged approach:
1) separate (but don't change)  a) screen stuff  b) I/O stuff (use, 
select, skip, locate, scatter...)  and c) business logic.
If it all still works when you've done the split then next look at what 
the user sees for each business function and design brand new VFP 
screens to do the same thing. If that works then you have the future 
option of moving your data to a back-end server and replacing dbf's with 
(initially at least) cursors or views.


 been there - done it - make change gradually - it's LOL  AndyD

On 17/01/2013 18:28, Frank Cazabon wrote:

Hey Dan,

I would think that harder to maintain is very subjective as I find 
them much much much easier to maintain than PRGs.


Do you have some statistics to backup your assertion that running an 
SCX is slower than a PRG (I have no doubt it is, but I'd like to see 
by how much).


Thanks

Frank.

Frank Cazabon

On 16/01/2013 05:17 PM, Dan Covill wrote:

an SCX is both slower in operation and harder to maintain




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Re: Screen Hacking a Problem...

2013-01-17 Thread Frank Cazabon
I guess so, but to be honest I do not have a problem with source control 
either, the screen gets generated as a text file if I need to compare 
things and it's all done invisibly to me.


Frank.

Frank Cazabon

On 17/01/2013 09:10 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:


PRGs work better with source control though.


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RE: [NF] Outsourcing....

2013-01-17 Thread Kurt
Jean - what an AWESOME Article - I even got to joke around about it with my
Boss - as he was also shocked that someone would pull this one off!

:-)
-K-


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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/16/developer_oursources_job_china/

A+
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Re: [NF] VFP applications moved to Chromebook?

2013-01-17 Thread kamcginnis
We have a VFP9 SP2 application for healthcare billing and ePrescriptions and 
a connection to many different EHR programs. We are having more clients 
using terminal services because it is faster than a local network and also 
because many clients have satellite locations. This is pretty easy to set up 
for a 'techy', but not something that most healthcare billers can do. Has 
anyone thought about putting an application like this in the 'cloud' and 
having all the users access with a chromebook? Chromebooks are cheap, 
simple, no hard drive, no updates, not much to maintain. They have a 
keyboard and mouse like a 'real' computer. They must have access to the 
Internet but then all our users with terminal services must have internet 
access. It seems that all the things that cause support headaches when 
trying to support every new version of windows with everything renamed and 
moved and broken would be gone.What would you use to program? 


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Re: [NF] VFP applications moved to Chromebook?

2013-01-17 Thread Alan Bourke


On Thu, Jan 17, 2013, at 05:10 PM, kamcgin...@gmail.com wrote:

 What would you use to program? 

What would you need to program? All they need is an RDP client and an IP
address to hit, presumably.

If you do, then the Chrome Dev Tools
(https://developers.google.com/chrome-developer-tools/)

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Re: [OT] 2012 was the hottest

2013-01-17 Thread Nicholas Geti
Not going to. I have written my ideas on why land temperatures are not 
indicative of global warming. The oceans are the determining factor.



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To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
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Subject: Re: [OT] 2012 was the hottest



Ask San Diego



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Subject: Re: [OT] 2012 was the hottest

I know you have closed your mind to global warming. My feeling is just the 
opposite.


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When did they start keeping records?





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Re: [NF] VFP applications moved to Chromebook?

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Oke, II
If you want to stay in the Fox-realm, maybe have a look at Fox-In-Cloud, I 
believe that is the name of the foxpro in the cloud services. 


Michael Oke, II
661-349-6221

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On Jan 17, 2013, at 9:10 AM, kamcgin...@gmail.com wrote:

 We have a VFP9 SP2 application for healthcare billing and ePrescriptions and 
 a connection to many different EHR programs. We are having more clients 
 using terminal services because it is faster than a local network and also 
 because many clients have satellite locations. This is pretty easy to set up 
 for a 'techy', but not something that most healthcare billers can do. Has 
 anyone thought about putting an application like this in the 'cloud' and 
 having all the users access with a chromebook? Chromebooks are cheap, 
 simple, no hard drive, no updates, not much to maintain. They have a 
 keyboard and mouse like a 'real' computer. They must have access to the 
 Internet but then all our users with terminal services must have internet 
 access. It seems that all the things that cause support headaches when 
 trying to support every new version of windows with everything renamed and 
 moved and broken would be gone.What would you use to program? 
 
 
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Re: [NF] VFP applications moved to Chromebook?

2013-01-17 Thread G Gambill
I have some applications (VFP6 and VFP9) that build dynamic HTML (DHTML)
(using FoxWeb) on the server and present the resulting web pages over the
internet. It's a thought.

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:10 AM, kamcgin...@gmail.com wrote:

 We have a VFP9 SP2 application for healthcare billing and ePrescriptions
 and
 a connection to many different EHR programs. We are having more clients
 using terminal services because it is faster than a local network and also
 because many clients have satellite locations. This is pretty easy to set
 up
 for a 'techy', but not something that most healthcare billers can do. Has
 anyone thought about putting an application like this in the 'cloud' and
 having all the users access with a chromebook? Chromebooks are cheap,
 simple, no hard drive, no updates, not much to maintain. They have a
 keyboard and mouse like a 'real' computer. They must have access to the
 Internet but then all our users with terminal services must have internet
 access. It seems that all the things that cause support headaches when
 trying to support every new version of windows with everything renamed and
 moved and broken would be gone.What would you use to program?


[excessive quoting removed by server]

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Re: [OT] 2012 was the hottest

2013-01-17 Thread Pete Theisen

On 01/17/2013 12:00 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote:

Not going to. I have written my ideas on why land temperatures are not
indicative of global warming. The oceans are the determining factor.


Hi Nicholas,

Don't you think all the solar flare activity that is now at an 11 year 
peak is at least a factor? Or is that just weather . . .

--
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Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/

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Re: [NF] VFP applications moved to Chromebook?

2013-01-17 Thread Thierry Nivelet

FoxInCloud is probably the solution you're looking at
Adapts your same existing VFP code base to run on the Web, and still on 
desktop - less than 2% manual code adaptation, all driven by the 
FoxInCloud Adaptation Assistant free tool.


Here is a live application in the healthcare area:
http://foxincloud.com/CTBtest/
click 'identification'
login: demo
pw: demo
 please note this demo account is read-only - 'Nouv.' and 'Modif' 
buttons do not respond ... if you want to experience data update, please 
drop me a private email and I'll send you some update-able credentials


Here is another application in the finance industry:
http://iptest.shipmenttrackers.com/
login: stidemo1
pw: stidemo2
This app has a test database - you can update data.

Thierry Nivelet
FoxInCloud
Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
http://foxincloud.com/

Le 17/01/13 18:10, kamcgin...@gmail.com a écrit :

We have a VFP9 SP2 application for healthcare billing and ePrescriptions and
a connection to many different EHR programs. We are having more clients
using terminal services because it is faster than a local network and also
because many clients have satellite locations. This is pretty easy to set up
for a 'techy', but not something that most healthcare billers can do. Has
anyone thought about putting an application like this in the 'cloud' and
having all the users access with a chromebook? Chromebooks are cheap,
simple, no hard drive, no updates, not much to maintain. They have a
keyboard and mouse like a 'real' computer. They must have access to the
Internet but then all our users with terminal services must have internet
access. It seems that all the things that cause support headaches when
trying to support every new version of windows with everything renamed and
moved and broken would be gone. What would you use to program?



[excessive quoting removed by server]

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Re: [NF] VFP applications moved to Chromebook?

2013-01-17 Thread Thierry Nivelet
Don't mind response time as we are performing maintenance operations on 
our server tonight ... (France time) ;-)


Thierry Nivelet
FoxInCloud
Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
http://foxincloud.com/

Le 17/01/13 18:54, Thierry Nivelet a écrit :

FoxInCloud is probably the solution you're looking at
Adapts your same existing VFP code base to run on the Web, and still 
on desktop - less than 2% manual code adaptation, all driven by the 
FoxInCloud Adaptation Assistant free tool.


Here is a live application in the healthcare area:
http://foxincloud.com/CTBtest/
click 'identification'
login: demo
pw: demo
 please note this demo account is read-only - 'Nouv.' and 'Modif' 
buttons do not respond ... if you want to experience data update, 
please drop me a private email and I'll send you some update-able 
credentials


Here is another application in the finance industry:
http://iptest.shipmenttrackers.com/
login: stidemo1
pw: stidemo2
This app has a test database - you can update data.

Thierry Nivelet
FoxInCloud
Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud
http://foxincloud.com/

Le 17/01/13 18:10, kamcgin...@gmail.com a écrit :
We have a VFP9 SP2 application for healthcare billing and 
ePrescriptions and

a connection to many different EHR programs. We are having more clients
using terminal services because it is faster than a local network and 
also
because many clients have satellite locations. This is pretty easy to 
set up
for a 'techy', but not something that most healthcare billers can do. 
Has

anyone thought about putting an application like this in the 'cloud' and
having all the users access with a chromebook? Chromebooks are cheap,
simple, no hard drive, no updates, not much to maintain. They have a
keyboard and mouse like a 'real' computer. They must have access to the
Internet but then all our users with terminal services must have 
internet

access. It seems that all the things that cause support headaches when
trying to support every new version of windows with everything 
renamed and

moved and broken would be gone. What would you use to program?



[excessive quoting removed by server]

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Re: [OT] 2012 was the hottest

2013-01-17 Thread Nicholas Geti

Solar flares are irrelevant
Nicholas

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On 01/17/2013 12:00 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote:

Not going to. I have written my ideas on why land temperatures are not
indicative of global warming. The oceans are the determining factor.


Hi Nicholas,

Don't you think all the solar flare activity that is now at an 11 year 
peak is at least a factor? Or is that just weather . . .

--
Regards,

Pete



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SQL Response to Forms

2013-01-17 Thread David Almada
Thanks for all the responses to my SQL inquiry.  I have my second interview
this Friday for a new job working 20 hours a week.  It is barely enough to
live on but it would be doing something I like(FOXPRO).  Wish me luck!

David Almada,
San Diego, California



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Re: SQL Response to Forms

2013-01-17 Thread Allen

Good luck
Seems to be the way these days. Shops offer 20 hours in the uk to avoid tax. 
Something the big companies seem to manage ok

Al

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Thanks for all the responses to my SQL inquiry.  I have my second interview
this Friday for a new job working 20 hours a week.  It is barely enough to
live on but it would be doing something I like(FOXPRO).  Wish me luck!

David Almada,
San Diego, California


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RE: [NF]MSDN alternative

2013-01-17 Thread John Harvey
I have had the Action Pack solutions in the past, but now, since I'm working
for a govt entity, I need a slimmed down version of MSDN, which will give me
the tools and Oss. Is there something like Action Pack other than MSDN that
is more affordable?

John Harvey


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Re: [NF]MSDN alternative

2013-01-17 Thread Frank Cazabon
I recently bought the action pack for under US$400.  I thought it was a 
pretty good deal.


Frank.

Frank Cazabon

On 17/01/2013 03:14 PM, John Harvey wrote:

I have had the Action Pack solutions in the past, but now, since I'm working
for a govt entity, I need a slimmed down version of MSDN, which will give me
the tools and Oss. Is there something like Action Pack other than MSDN that
is more affordable?

John Harvey



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Re: SQL Response to Forms

2013-01-17 Thread Jean MAURICE

I cross my finger for you ! Hoping that you have the same meaning in the USA !!

Good Luck and if your next work is with VFP, tell the interviewer that you 
belong to the largest Fox community in the world !


The Foxil

In France (btw, France is in Europe ;-) )

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RE: [NF]MSDN alternative

2013-01-17 Thread John Harvey
It is a good deal, but you need to be an independent developer or a
business. I don't think it is intended for government use.

John

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I recently bought the action pack for under US$400.  I thought it was a
pretty good deal.

Frank.

Frank Cazabon

On 17/01/2013 03:14 PM, John Harvey wrote:
 I have had the Action Pack solutions in the past, but now, since I'm 
 working for a govt entity, I need a slimmed down version of MSDN, 
 which will give me the tools and Oss. Is there something like Action 
 Pack other than MSDN that is more affordable?

 John Harvey


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Re: Popup Message without the Focus

2013-01-17 Thread Sytze de Boer
I use a popup style system from the system tray, and TOAST.VCX
I don't remember how I got this but it was recommended by someone on this
list
I find it really good

S


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Re: Popup Message without the Focus

2013-01-17 Thread Frank Cazabon
Wait window ;)

Seriously, google for vfp toast and you might find something

Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com wrote:

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Re: Screen Hacking a Problem...

2013-01-17 Thread Dan Covill

On 01/17/13 04:58 AM, Frank Cazabon wrote:

Hey Dan,

I would think that harder to maintain is very subjective as I find
them much much much easier to maintain than PRGs.

Do you have some statistics to backup your assertion that running an SCX
is slower than a PRG (I have no doubt it is, but I'd like to see by how
much).


Hi, Frank

One of the members of our San Diego FoxPro group had a giant 
configuration dialog with at least 50 (and probably more) controls on 
it, that he converted from SCX to code, then did timing tests.  It was 
quite a while ago (probably around VFP7 time), but as I recall he found 
that the code took at most 1/3 of the time the scx did to instantiate 
the form.  Don't forget, when you call an scx you're reading a database 
while you're executing the methods for each control.  That introduces a 
whole lot of IO delays into the process.


Without doubt I'm prejudiced in favor of code.  After all, I'm a 
programmer, and I like to program.  I certainly find the form designer 
useful and convenient for adjusting the layout and appearance, but for 
execution and, yes, maintenance I much prefer code.  In my experience 
most maintenance on a form involves changing what happens in the 
methods, and I find that a lot easier when I can see them all at once.


Thanks for asking. g

Dan


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FoxPro DOS Under Windows 7

2013-01-17 Thread Dan Covill

This is kind of a long story, but I think it's a great discovery.

I just picked up my car at my mechanic's shop, and he showed me 
something I hadn't thought possible.  He runs a Parts and Invoicing 
program that I wrote in FP DOS 2.6 starting sometime in the '80s.  He's 
still running it under Windows XP.  But what he showed me was the same 
program running, in full-screen mode, under Windows 7, completely 
without modifications!


Here's what he did:
a. Bought Win 7 32-bit version (because DOS pgms won't run in 64-bit).
b. Used Device Mgr to disable the Windows Display Driver, so that it 
uses the default VGA.

c. Changed the DOS box properties to run 1024x768 in Full-Screen mode.

We had tried XP Mode under Win 7-64, but could not get the Serial 
printers to work.  We also tried running it under VFP 9, which sort of 
works but looks terrible on the screen.  So he dug into it and spent a 
lot of nights Googling and experimenting, and by god he solved it!


He also found something saying that Win 8 can run 16-bit programs, which 
we'll look into, but for now we're pretty happy.


Dan Covill

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Re: Popup Message without the Focus

2013-01-17 Thread Ted Roche
WAIT WINDOW NOWAIT

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com wrote:

 Any ideas on how to display a message without having that window grab the
 focus away from what the user is currently doing?


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Re: Popup Message without the Focus

2013-01-17 Thread AndyHC

+1
On 18/01/2013 07:07, Ted Roche wrote:

WAIT WINDOW NOWAIT

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com wrote:


Any ideas on how to display a message without having that window grab the
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